*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (1 Viewer)

[Wooderson]

He knew what he was doing. Get that book deal while he can before this all collapses like a house of cards. 

Son he can think ahead. Who would of thought?

 

[DJackson10]

Embarrassing. They are clearly telling Carson not to run and it's ####### with him. He ran today in spots that he shouldn't have. OT was just a joke. What was the pass with 26 seconds left? If ward catches that the game is over. 

They got too conservative at the end trying to get a long FG. Not sure why they didn't try to get a better spot on the FG and Pryor's procedure penalty wouldn't have cost them as much. I thought punting it after that penalty was the right move with that much time left. 14 secs is enough for a talent like Burrow to get Cincy in decent FG range if there's a bad snap or missed FG or if they go for it bad snap or Carson gets sacked. 

 

[DJackson10]

I have defended Howie for almost a decade. That's a fire able miss right there. 

I'm not faulting anyone for missing Metkalf. I saw the injury when he played. It was pretty bad. We've seen numerous teams over the years go for a guy with medical red flags and it doesn't work out. I don't blame any team for passing on him. Was the injury maybe less serious then it was reported? perhaps I don't know but Sea was desperate for Receiver help outside of Lockett they had no one and were in a spot to take a chance there. 

 

[DJackson10]

Justin Jefferson looked good today too

So glad we took Reagor over him. He's done nothing besides Muff a punt in his first game a few decent catches but he's dropped a few catchable and now is on IR. 

 

[need2know]

So glad we took Reagor over him. He's done nothing besides Muff a punt in his first game a few decent catches but he's dropped a few catchable and now is on IR. 

Yes I'm aware

 

[DJackson10]

Which conversation do we need to have at this point:

• Wentz has the yips, ala Chuck Knoblauch, Markelle Fultz, Rich Ankiel, Nick Anderson, etc.
  
• The Wentz haters weren't haters; they were just able to see the emperor had no clothes
  

Wentz has the yips and it's clear the coaches are trying to coddle him. It's obvious he wants to let lose but given his injury history they are getting gun shy. I think if they let Wentz be himself and do his thing we can get this offense going. Run more no huddle hurry up and let Wentz call the plays at the Line like he did at NDST

 

[DJackson10]

The Jalen Hurts pick:

- Potentially caused the franchise QB you just extended to panic
- Made you pass up on at the minimum a handful of rookies that are already impressing that would be starting right now for the Eagles
- Caused massive media/fan hysteria to bench franchise QB

Van Jefferson and Denzel Mims plus Bryan Edwards who looked good on the MNF game last week for LV. Mayock has seemed to draft fairly well his first two drafts with Oak. That Max Crosby kid looks like he's going to be an issue for Offensive lines and RBs for awhile 

 

[DJackson10]

Totally get that the leadership of the organization may be (is?) inept.  But why do you assume this to be the case?  After handing Wentz an extension last year, do you think there’s a chance they started to have serious concerns about him after his play last season?  And decided to pull the trigger on a safety net just to be safe?  With how Wentz has played through three games there positively remains a chance that it was the right decision.  Now, Green Bay on the other hand...

After last year he threw 25TDs and 4K with garbage offensive skill players. I doubt they are concerned after last year especially given his injury was because of a cheap shot that even the announcers week 1 agreed was and said it was very unfortunate for that to happen to Wentz. 

 

[DJackson10]

Howie needs to not be the decider on personnel decisions. I get he supposedly can structure contracts well, but the litany of bad choices have really added up. There's not even a good way out next year.

Alshon and DeSean extensions were unneeded and ludicrous, and cost us a shot at some decent WR talent in FA this year. Didn't need to extend Wentz - let him play on his 5th year. You can franchise him if you need after - you had time. The guy had already shown signs of not being the top level talent he looked like in 2017 - why commit so much money until he showed he deserved it?

Next year is going to be so bad too. That "Howie is a genius with the cap" means he keeps pushing cap hit money into future years. Next year is Brandon Graham's next year - but if we cut him, we take a 17 mil cap hit because his contracts was spread out to 2024. He does that a lot - but eventually that adds up and the piper has to get paid...

Despite his play that Contract isn't that bad after seeing the Contracts others are getting. DO you really want the org if he plays this bad still to hand him a bigger contract and set yourself back more? I understand why they did the extension when they did. If Carson can get back to form that contract will be a bargain. 

 

[DJackson10]

Peters got blown up in OT on completion to Ertz. Its sad and embarrassing seeing JP continue to play. Love what he's done over the years but maybe its time to see what the Aussie can give us at LT or if you want swing Lane over to LT and put Jordan at RT. 

 

[DJackson10]

Also Foles was named Starter for CHI. I suggest if you haven't already everyone stay clear of the Media and hot take articles in the local media and radio this week till next Sunday night. 

I wish Nick Foles all the success in his career, nothing but a great guy but it's clear over the years he's nothing more then a great back up in his career. Outside of Philly he's never had huge success and never has played a full season either getting benched, hurt or coming in as a relief. 

 

[Deamon]

Also Foles was named Starter for CHI. I suggest if you haven't already everyone stay clear of the Media and hot take articles in the local media and radio this week till next Sunday night. 

I wish Nick Foles all the success in his career, nothing but a great guy but it's clear over the years he's nothing more then a great back up in his career. Outside of Philly he's never had huge success and never has played a full season either getting benched, hurt or coming in as a relief. 

The guy is like the worst qb in the league half the time and the best qb in the league the other half.  No in between lol.

 

[DJackson10]

The guy is like the worst qb in the league half the time and the best qb in the league the other half.  No in between lol.

Zero consistency. I've already made the mistake of trying to debate Foles fans/Carson haters. It usually goes something like this 

Foles was the only QB to win a SB here.

Me: Foles was lucky to be put in that spot. Carson was having an MVP season. We were lucky to get the bye week as the coaches worked with Foles and came up with a offensive game system that worked for him. Without that week I think we lose. I WC. Foles got hot at the right time

Them: Foles played better then Wentz when he was in there

Me: Foles when he took over the season after the SB the team was sloppy against ATL and then Foles failed to win and impact the game against a terrible TB team 

Them: Foles could've won another SB had Jeffrey not dropped the pass

Me: We were lucky Foles wasn't playing well the second half of the season and we got lucky in CHI. Foles had a crucial INT in the first QTR of the NO game. He played poorly. we weren't beating the rams

THem: Carson is always hurt and has regressed

Me: Foles has never played 16 games in a season Wentz did that his rookie year and last season unfortunately a cheap shot end his playoffs before they could start. Foles has either been benched or gotten hurt every season of his career. Wentz threw for 25TDs and over 4K in passing with less then 10 INTs last year with a dumpster fire Offensive skill players. He made Ward look like Edelman and Scott look like the second coming of Ekler. How has he regressed? Meanwhile Foles was hurt in JAX and lost his job to Minshew. 

Them: Foles came back vs ATL we couldn't even beat the Bengals. 

ME: Coming back vs the Bengals is nothing special. Its like a guy hitting a PH Grand Slam vs the Phillies Pen to win a game. It's mandatory and expected they collapse. 

Never ending. 

 

[Osaurus]

I am laughing and crying at the thread title today. 

 

[FairWarning]

They got too conservative at the end trying to get a long FG. Not sure why they didn't try to get a better spot on the FG and Pryor's procedure penalty wouldn't have cost them as much. I thought punting it after that penalty was the right move with that much time left. 14 secs is enough for a talent like Burrow to get Cincy in decent FG range if there's a bad snap or missed FG or if they go for it bad snap or Carson gets sacked. 

Were you for the FG attempt at the end?  If so, Philly going for it and failing was only a 2 yard difference (cincy getting the ball at the spot of the kick vs turning it over on downs). 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So glad we took Reagor over him. He's done nothing besides Muff a punt in his first game a few decent catches but he's dropped a few catchable and now is on IR. 

If our QB is accurate he’d already have a couple games like Jefferson just had. He’s been open that much. 

 

[DJackson10]

Were you for the FG attempt at the end?  If so, Philly going for it and failing was only a 2 yard difference (cincy getting the ball at the spot of the kick vs turning it over on downs). 

Huh the spot of the kick vs turning it over on downs is more then a 2 yard difference. it's like 6-8 yards which is big. I was for them trying to get an easier FG not trying to get conservative where they are ok kicking a 50 plus FG. The time they had left they could've easily have gotten 10-15 more yards. Pryor getting the Penalty then wouldn't have made as big of a difference. In the end after the penalty punting was the right decision. I've see Burrow do something good with less time on the clock then that. Doug Clearly showed he had zero confidence in the team at the end to win it but given he's a players coach he'll take all the blame on himself 

 

[renesauz]

Seems pretty clear to me that many of Wentz' issues are related to mechanics. And mechanics are usually fixable. The question is whether or not he's able to fix them IN SEASON.

I was happy to see him back to something closer to his normal playing style against the Bengals....unafraid to pull the ball down and run when their was open space in front of him. Sanders looked great too. 

Likely a lost season, but perhaps a bit too much doom and gloom all told. Schwartz needs to go though....defensive philosophy is nuts....no turnovers? REALLY?!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Seems pretty clear to me that many of Wentz' issues are related to mechanics. And mechanics are usually fixable. The question is whether or not he's able to fix them IN SEASON.

I was happy to see him back to something closer to his normal playing style against the Bengals....unafraid to pull the ball down and run when their was open space in front of him. Sanders looked great too. 

Likely a lost season, but perhaps a bit too much doom and gloom all told. Schwartz needs to go though....defensive philosophy is nuts....no turnovers? REALLY?!

Speaking of defense. 

Eagles made Javon Hargrave the NFL’s 13th highest paid interior DL this offseason ($13M annually). 

He hasn’t logged a stat through his first two games

 

[renesauz]

Problem with the defense is that it's too easy to scheme against. You know they're bringing the same four most plays, and that the secondary is average on a good day. No matter how good those four are, it's easy to keep an extra blocker knowing someone will get open, or to call a quick hitter to the flat, knowing our LBs can't hold up in coverage. I'm tired of watching our CBs lined up 8 yards off with no threat of a blitz....it's like they're playing prevent from the opening snap. With the talent on the line, this defense should be good even with that secondary. Mix up the coverage, bring more blitzes, tighten up in man to man more often

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Problem with the defense is that it's too easy to scheme against. You know they're bringing the same four most plays, and that the secondary is average on a good day. No matter how good those four are, it's easy to keep an extra blocker knowing someone will get open, or to call a quick hitter to the flat, knowing our LBs can't hold up in coverage. I'm tired of watching our CBs lined up 8 yards off with no threat of a blitz....it's like they're playing prevent from the opening snap. With the talent on the line, this defense should be good even with that secondary. Mix up the coverage, bring more blitzes, tighten up in man to man more often

i wanna hit that like button on this post a million times, about the number of times i threw stuff at my TV watching this bs defense cover NOBODY and get ZERO pressure all day everyday. the decline on both sides of the ball since the SB is insane with absolutely no end in sight to the free fall. /rant

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Zero consistency. I've already made the mistake of trying to debate Foles fans/Carson haters. It usually goes something like this 

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Again, why do you think we care about your arguments with idiots?

 

[QuizGuy66]

That was some of the most pathetic play calling I've ever seen so close to FG range. Don't even try and get 5 yards.

Gotta admit I was stunned that seemed way to happy to settle on like a 58/59-yard try.  Even with a strong-legged kicker that is a bit much.

-QG

 

[FairWarning]

Huh the spot of the kick vs turning it over on downs is more then a 2 yard difference. it's like 6-8 yards which is big. I was for them trying to get an easier FG not trying to get conservative where they are ok kicking a 50 plus FG. The time they had left they could've easily have gotten 10-15 more yards. Pryor getting the Penalty then wouldn't have made as big of a difference. In the end after the penalty punting was the right decision. I've see Burrow do something good with less time on the clock then that. Doug Clearly showed he had zero confidence in the team at the end to win it but given he's a players coach he'll take all the blame on himself 

No, it was 2 yards.  If they went for it  instead of punting after the 5 yard penalty and failed it was still 2 yards less than a failed 58-yard attempt where the K is 7 yards back.

 

[DJackson10]

No, it was 2 yards.  If they went for it  instead of punting after the 5 yard penalty and failed it was still 2 yards less than a failed 58-yard attempt where the K is 7 yards back.

Either way 2 yards makes a difference in a game of inches. Ask The Titans about that 

 

[Insein]

Should have gone for 2 after the TD. Would have solved the whole thing either way and stayed on brand for Big Balls Doug.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Should have gone for 2 after the TD. Would have solved the whole thing either way and stayed on brand for Big Balls Doug.

I was a little surprised that Doug didn't do that. 

 

[FairWarning]

Either way 2 yards makes a difference in a game of inches. Ask The Titans about that 

Cinn would have had to go 20-25 yards in :15 seconds with a rookie QB to get in FG range. 

 

[need2know]

Just realized we are playing Sunday night.    Now the whole country can see how awful we really are

 

[renesauz]

Just realized we are playing Sunday night.    Now the whole country can see how awful we really are

And I'll be at work missing my first game this year.

Which probably means they'll pull it together and pull off the upset

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Imagine Andy Reid looking at Patrick Mahomes and saying “Hey man I got you JJ Arcega-Whiteside, a backup QB in the second round, and got us like 6 kinda-sorta offensive coordinators... lead us!”

Not the entire problem, but part of the problem and it made me laugh and be sad at the same time. 

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Should have gone for 2 after the TD. Would have solved the whole thing either way and stayed on brand for Big Balls Doug.

Going into a shell like that is one of the clearest external signals that somebody's losing their self-confidence.

I remember watching David Duval around the turn of the century - he used to be totally unafraid to go toe-to-toe with Tiger. 220 yards over water out of the rough to a shallow green? Sure, I've got that shot in my bag. Grip it and rip it. He was never close to Tiger skill-wise but he'd make shots like that all the time, just because he was certain he could do it.

He missed the better part of a year due to injuries and when he came back, he'd stare down that exact same shot, ponder it for a minute, then grab the 9-iron out of the bag. He started playing not to lose instead of to win. You can't do that in a field that's 90% mental and ever be successful. I have to wonder if Doug's inside his own head at this point.

 

[JetMaxx]

Talked to someone in the know. Said Lurie is way more involved in football decisions than anyone including the media let’s on. 2 draft picks he personally made were JJAW and Shareef Miller. Re JJAW, the scouting department were pounding the table for Metcalf but Lurie’s affection for players from the PAC 12 caused him to usurp the decision making process. Other big draft misses were from the PAC 12 as well.

 

[Terpman22]

Talked to someone in the know. Said Lurie is way more involved in football decisions than anyone including the media let’s on. 2 draft picks he personally made were JJAW and Shareef Miller. Re JJAW, the scouting department were pounding the table for Metcalf but Lurie’s affection for players from the PAC 12 caused him to usurp the decision making process. Other big draft misses were from the PAC 12 as well.

Would LOVE to hear more about this. 

 

[babydemon90]

If our QB is accurate he’d already have a couple games like Jefferson just had. He’s been open that much. 

yea, its waaaaay too soon to say Reagor was a miss. I can pretty confidently say if we'd drafted Jefferson he'd have no better numbers then Reagor, except perhaps the injury games missed, which is not something you can blame Howie for.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Talked to someone in the know. Said Lurie is way more involved in football decisions than anyone including the media let’s on. 2 draft picks he personally made were JJAW and Shareef Miller. Re JJAW, the scouting department were pounding the table for Metcalf but Lurie’s affection for players from the PAC 12 caused him to usurp the decision making process. Other big draft misses were from the PAC 12 as well.

That would definitely explain why they continue to run him out there. 

Im not putting all these PAC 12 ones on him either. 

 

[Terpman22]

yea, its waaaaay too soon to say Reagor was a miss. I can pretty confidently say if we'd drafted Jefferson he'd have no better numbers then Reagor, except perhaps the injury games missed, which is not something you can blame Howie for.

This here. I REALLY like Reagor, especially after seeing him. Will be a great building block on O to continue around Goedert and Miles. 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Just realized we are playing Sunday night.    Now the whole country can see how awful we really are

And even then we might actually be worse than what we show because SF has to play a bunch of backups. 

 

[need2know]

Talked to someone in the know. Said Lurie is way more involved in football decisions than anyone including the media let’s on. 2 draft picks he personally made were JJAW and Shareef Miller. Re JJAW, the scouting department were pounding the table for Metcalf but Lurie’s affection for players from the PAC 12 caused him to usurp the decision making process. Other big draft misses were from the PAC 12 as well.

Pac 12 blows.   Everyone knows it except laurie I guess.  Thats why we drafted Dillard too huh

 

[babydemon90]

But that's a good point because - yes, Howie is the GM.  But I want specifics. Who decided on JJaw? Did Howie vote otherwise? Did Doug? Who decided to cut Rasul Douglas? Who decided to draft Hurts? All for it, was there disagreement?

I don't know that we'll ever know for sure, because keeping each others backs helps you keep or get a new job. But it feel odd that Howie would be the one making a call on a specific player. What did the scouting department say? What did the coaches say?  etc...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

But that's a good point because - yes, Howie is the GM.  But I want specifics. Who decided on JJaw? Did Howie vote otherwise? Did Doug? Who decided to cut Rasul Douglas? Who decided to draft Hurts? All for it, was there disagreement?

I don't know that we'll ever know for sure, because keeping each others backs helps you keep or get a new job. But it feel odd that Howie would be the one making a call on a specific player. What did the scouting department say? What did the coaches say?  etc...

I’ve never seen more vague answers as to who makes picks and player decisions than here over the years. 

Leave open the possibility that Howie and Lurie are close and people are destroying Howie lately. This could just be deflection as well. All the bad drafts over the years and there’s one constant, Howie Roseman. It’s all him when we get Wentz and not him when they’re turds. 

 

[Insein]

Talked to someone in the know. Said Lurie is way more involved in football decisions than anyone including the media let’s on. 2 draft picks he personally made were JJAW and Shareef Miller. Re JJAW, the scouting department were pounding the table for Metcalf but Lurie’s affection for players from the PAC 12 caused him to usurp the decision making process. Other big draft misses were from the PAC 12 as well.

If true that is a HUGE problem. I've never heard of Laurie getting involved to that extent. He seemed to just step in for coaching issues. 

 

[JetMaxx]

If true that is a HUGE problem. I've never heard of Laurie getting involved to that extent. He seemed to just step in for coaching issues. 

My exact initial mental and verbal reaction when I heard this.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

If true that is a HUGE problem. I've never heard of Laurie getting involved to that extent. He seemed to just step in for coaching issues. 

Yep. That doesn't track with anything we've heard. Our local media sucks, but you'd think someone would have at least done something with this if it were true -- remember there was that crazy hit piece on Wentz, so it's not like everyone in the local media wants to avoid controversy. 

However, I would not be surprised if there was groupthink going on between Lurie/Howie/Doug that the scouting staff is growing frustrated with. 

 

[Milkman]

Goedert dealing with a broken ankle not just a high ankle sprain. Time-line is 7 weeks. There's a chance they just shut him down at that point for the season if they keep losing. 

 

[GoBirds]

Goedert dealing with a broken ankle not just a high ankle sprain. Time-line is 7 weeks. There's a chance they just shut him down at that point for the season if they keep losing. 

This is brutal, the way this season is going let’s take a few more L’s and get a high pick before the season is shut down. 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Goedert dealing with a broken ankle not just a high ankle sprain. Time-line is 7 weeks. There's a chance they just shut him down at that point for the season if they keep losing. 

 

[Pip's Invitation]

This is brutal, the way this season is going let’s take a few more L’s and get a high pick before the season is shut down. 

Shouldn't be difficult to do the next 3 weeks. 

 

[GoBirds]

Shouldn't be difficult to do the next 3 weeks. 

We should have kicked the 64 yarder.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So far we have:

RB1 missed a game

LT1 (season), LG1 (multiple weeks), RG1 (season) and RT1 missed a game

WR1, WR2 & WR3 all missing games or time in Jackson’s case

TE2 missing multiple weeks

This is real life lol