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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (4 Viewers)

unckeyherb said:
Eagles will win tonight.  I am pretty confident of it.  This just feels like the kind of game they win every year and start to turn things around through the end of the season.  
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I agree we have a shot since we always play better teams than us good. 

Being "pretty confident" on a big underdog winning is a bit far though... Go throw some bucks down on it for sure if you're that confident.

I give Philly a 40% chance to win.  40% chance we lose by under a TD.   20% chance we get crushed.

 
Will be interesting to see how Wentz handles legit pressure of being benched. I'm guessing that isn't something he's had to deal with in over a decade or more.

I can't say that he seems to handle mental pressure well though, but hoping I'm wrong. Thats said, if most of these issues are mechanical, or simply being overwhelmed by the scheme or defenses - I don't see how that is fixable mid-season.

 
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Ash said:
Some Thoughts:

Front Office

I’ll lead with the obvious, Howie needs to go.  His big win since 2016 was unloading Maxwell’s contract and trading up to be able to draft Wentz.  That’s hugely important and Wentz outstanding play in 2017 directly led to the Super Bowl win.

But…, the list of successes outside that is much shorter than the list of failures, such as:

The Trades:

  • The trade of a 4th for Jay Ajayi gets overlooked because he contributed to the SB win, but it’s still not a smart move.  They  gambled they’d get a comp pick at a similar level, but nobody signed him so they burned a 4th and pick for half a season of play.  The fact that a long shot bet came off doesn’t mean it was a smart bet.
  • Ditto for Golden Tate.  They did get a 4th back for him, but traded a 3rd (wtf!).  Cost was too high, and despite what they said, there was clearly no plan to integrate him into the O.
  • Trading next year’s 4th for Genard Avery.  Exactly one game so far where he has made a contribution.
The string of “smartest guy in the room” decisions and evaluation failures:

  • Trading up for Dillard to snipe the Texans now looks like a failure, taking Reagor over Jefferson this year seems ridiculous given how well Jefferson has played.  I like Reagor and think he can still do well, but clearly the evaluation of “fit” or that Jefferson was just a slot WR was monumentally incorrect.
  • Nickell Robey-Coleman is a top 5 nickel CB.  Not the most impactful decision, but a great example of Howie thinking he knows better than the rest of the league and patting himself on the back.
  • Jalen Hurts picks this year, when DB, DL, LB and WR talent were still desperately needed.
Bad Contract Extensions / Signings:

  • Extending Alshon and guaranteeing salary, everyone understands this one enough said.  Alshon couldn’t stay healthy when he was young, what was the expectation here?
  • Javon Hargreave has been mostly invisible so far, Malik Jackson has had a couple of nice games, Cox hasn’t looked like an elite player since 2018 (the elite moments like the strip sack last week are coming further and further apart).  In summary we have $40m per year invested in DT and the results are not there.
  • Brandon Brooks - a guy who was approaching 30 and had major injuries to finish 2 previous seasons.  It went under the radar because it happened late both years, then he got injured in preseason.  He’s 30, the 4th highest paid OG in the league (per year basis) and he’s on the team until 22 or 23 based on dead money.
  • Bringing JP back was an evaluation mistake, because he’s mostly played poorly, but giving him a pay raise to play LT compounds this mistake.
The list of players outperforming their contracts is short, the list of guys not playing up to their salaries is way too long and will take a couple of years to turn over.

Looking at all the above, I simply don’t trust Howie to wisely use an early draft choice or rebuild the roster based on the hole he’s dug.

Coaching

I think it’s been shown over the last couple of years that Doug’s strengths align with being an “executive” style HC, rather than being deeply involved in scheme and play calling.  He doesn’t seem to have the self awareness to understand this though, and the team is suffering because of it.

My indicator for good coaching has always been seeing players asked to do things they’re good at and avoiding areas where they’re weak, and we just don’t see that from this offensive scheme.

I think Doug’s path to future success is to step back from deep day to day involvement in the scheme and play calling, but it’s not something that can be forced on him from above or it will fail spectacularly.  That may be what happened this year, with him being forced to fire Groh (and Watch).   The new batch of offensive assistants have clearly not added anything positive.  Marty Morhinweg?  Really?

If Doug isn’t not just willing, but motivated to make these changes, and bring in some fresh offensive ideas and loosen his control, then he should go as well.

Press Taylor, is it just me, or do things look worse the longer he coaches Carson and more responsibility he has?  Given how consistently Wentz has been making the same mistakes and how his accuracy has declined this year I don’t think he’s being coached well at a position coach level, and I don’t think Taylor is doing much as pass game coordinator to resolve the problems we are consistently seeing this year.

Overall there seems to be a lack of accountability with assistant coaches and veteran players, and a lack of willingness to adjust the scheme to reflect the injury situation and players strengths and weaknesses.

That said, where I think Howie is well below par since 2017, Doug has his issues, but there are still strengths to work with, if he can recognise his weaknesses and is willing to make the necessary changes.

QB Play

Wentz was an elite player in 2017 but has declined since.  The stretches of play where he elevates the team were inconsistent in 2018/9 but still there often enough that I thought 2017 form was just around the corner if the weapons were better, or with a bit more time to recover from the injuries.

Instead he’s gone off a cliff in 2020.  There have been accuracy issues but the most alarming to me is the consistently reckless decisions with ball security, both throwing and with the ball in hand and with holding the ball far too long   I’m honestly not sure how to reset him in season.

Based on contract he’s here for a while, and given that we have seen elite play from him in the past, and very good play as recently as last season, I want to see Wentz with some different coaching.  That could be new position coach / OC with Pederson as HC, or a complete coaching turnover.
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Good analysis but I also disagree with a few things. However I believe given a lot of stuff coming out Jeffrey Lurie is getting way too handsy with the football decisions ALA Jerry Jones and needs to step back. However if this continues I heard a ton of of people are most likely getting pink slips. 

The bolded cannot be stressed enough and I've heard from reputable people say Press Taylor needs to go. I don't have any specifics but when I asked what was wrong with Carson right away I got the QB Coach being an issue. I don't think people realized sometimes how crucial a QB coach can play in a role of how the QB does. Get Wentz some different coaches and dare I say it I would bring in a veteran back up as well to help out. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
When you read the ‘Other’ and ‘Transition’ it’s almost laughable that we are thinking of playing him at all. 
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I said from the moment we got him it wasn't a good move. He was a product of a conference. Dude couldn't hack in the SEC and he held the Tide offense back and was benched in a national title game where he well lost his job to an eventual Heisman winner and #1 overall pick and ended up transferring to the conference that basically plays backyard offensive football. 

 
Insein said:
Cut Jake Elliot. There are plenty of kickers in the sea.
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You forgot about our friend Howie...

Jake Elliott signed a 5 year, $19,308,100 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including $10,155,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,861,620. In 2020, Elliott will earn a base salary of $825,000, a roster bonus of $980,000, a signing bonus of $3,870,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,629,000 and a dead cap value of $7,975,000.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I know you’re trolling but if you think you can judge any QB in an offense like this it just shows your lack of knowledge. 
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Incredibly inaccurate !!! And takes so many Sacks that he doesnt have to!!!

Not trolling ... he's absolutely terrible!!!

Good RBs, Good TEs, Good WRs, Good Oline ... He's the Problem !

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
Pressure nearly every play probably wouldn’t affect your accuracy any I’m sure. 
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He creates the pressure ... he runs around like an idiotic chicken without a head!

He's got an All pro Center and two very solid Tackles great TEs ... No excuse for this 

 
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monk said:
He creates the pressure ... he runs around like an idiotic chicken without a head!

He's got an All pro Center and two very solid Tackles great TEs ... No excuse for this 
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We’re not watching the same game. He takes some sacks he shouldn’t and he misses plays he shouldn’t but he has pressure nearly every play. That affects timing 

 
QB always gets the blame when things aren't going well but I agree that this one wasn't completely on Wentz.  He wasn't great but he had no time at all and he has no help out there (including the line, position players and coaching).  This is the same guy who has played like an MVP in the past.  If Pederson stays, I feel like Wentz needs a change of scenery to resurrect his career.  He's got the talent.

 
it really blows the Eagles don't have an O.C. I see no reason why Doug shouldn't have to go 1 week of not calling the plays and see how it shakes out. 

 
modogg said:
it really blows the Eagles don't have an O.C. I see no reason why Doug shouldn't have to go 1 week of not calling the plays and see how it shakes out. 
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They have a stud RB and a QB who seems to be shell shocked (not completely his fault).  Let's throw the ball 40-50 times every game!  It makes no sense.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
They have a stud RB and a QB who seems to be shell shocked (not completely his fault).  Let's throw the ball 40-50 times every game!  It makes no sense.
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agreed. especially with how well the defense played tonight. You have some young and inexperienced guys on OL, tell me they would like nothing more then to grind out some run blocking

 
With Wentz though, how many passes did he have beyond 5 yards? i know they made some good yardage by drawing DPI too. Not say all on him, but definitely don't feel like he will be the reason why they win games either

 
i also know a lot of hate for Shwartz in here, but i think the defense played well enough to show he is a legit coach

 
Ok here's a legit question because I'm usually one when I want a change I at least have a plan on how to create said change. I hate when people just say fire the coach etc etc. So here's my question/s: 

If we let Howie Go who do you want that can be legit brought in as a GM? 

I don't know anyone off hand as I'm not well versed in the football FO's as I was several years ago 

If we fired the coaching staff who do you want as HC and other coaching positions?

This one is tough. I'd like a young buck who could come in offensively with fresh ideas. As for QB coach not joking but maybe we can get Josh McCown to retire finally and coach. He's had numerous calls over the last 5 yrs on assistant coaching gigs and he seemed to work well with Wentz last year as a defacto QB coach/Player. For DC I'd like to bring in either Todd Grantham or Matt Patricia. UF's D has been the worse it's been in yrs but a lot of that this year is UF is missing players from Injuries or departures. Grantham is incredible aggressive. Matt Patricia isn't a great HC but he's one heck of a DC who'd I'd bring in under the right HC. 

 
modogg said:
With Wentz though, how many passes did he have beyond 5 yards? i know they made some good yardage by drawing DPI too. Not say all on him, but definitely don't feel like he will be the reason why they win games either
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At one point I think he had 41 pass attempts, with 3.8 or so YPA.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
QB always gets the blame when things aren't going well but I agree that this one wasn't completely on Wentz.  He wasn't great but he had no time at all and he has no help out there (including the line, position players and coaching).  This is the same guy who has played like an MVP in the past.  If Pederson stays, I feel like Wentz needs a change of scenery to resurrect his career.  He's got the talent.
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Peterson will go before Wentz. We need an offensive mind that's young and creative to come in here and get something going. 

 
modogg said:
i also know a lot of hate for Shwartz in here, but i think the defense played well enough to show he is a legit coach
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Still don't like him. He called a good game but he pulls a game like this out of his sleaze to save his job every year.. Hate how he'd thick headed and won't adjust for the simplest thing like a totally new position players and won't make it easy for them and his lack of aggression. Hasn't made one NFL all pro/Pro Bowler since he got here either. Really hasn't developed a lot of guys either. Seems like a nice dude and a cool guy you want to share a few drinks with but I think it's time to move on from him at the end of the year. 

 
Outside of those couple weeks Fulgham was a thing..

Wentz can not utilize WR's. Every decent pass is to a TE, the vast majority of yards and plays and TD's are to TE's. Maybe its scheme, but WR's get no traction here. If we had Metcalf I am 100% sure we'd all me bemoaning the fact we had this WR with all the physical traits but no production. If we had Jefferson we'd be sad we missed on Claypool. We simply cannot utilize and/or develop WR's. Scheme or Wentz? No idea.

 
Insein said:
Peterson will go before Wentz. We need an offensive mind that's young and creative to come in here and get something going. 
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We keep saying this but does anyone have any legit names? Seems like all the good ones are taken or the team wouldn't be willing to allow them to interview yet 

 
modogg said:
i also know a lot of hate for Shwartz in here, but i think the defense played well enough to show he is a legit coach
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He's average at best. Today was a good game for his defense. No turnovers. WR has 170+ yds and they let up 23 points.

 
Doug's excuse for not utilizing Raegor is total b.s. Why do the Eagles have an inability to get a rookie WR in game plans and getting the ball, but 20 other NFL teams can do that just fun. 

 
babydemon90 said:
Outside of those couple weeks Fulgham was a thing..

Wentz can not utilize WR's. Every decent pass is to a TE, the vast majority of yards and plays and TD's are to TE's. Maybe its scheme, but WR's get no traction here. If we had Metcalf I am 100% sure we'd all me bemoaning the fact we had this WR with all the physical traits but no production. If we had Jefferson we'd be sad we missed on Claypool. We simply cannot utilize and/or develop WR's. Scheme or Wentz? No idea.
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good point, and totally agree. Great question to ask, and i wonder why that is they are so head strong with keep using 12 man personnel

 
babydemon90 said:
There's plenty. None will come here unless they get to call plays.
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I'm asking because I really don't know and if I do know who they are I probably just forgot about them already. I do know I want nothing to do with another College coach though from the PAC12 or Big12 

 
babydemon90 said:
Outside of those couple weeks Fulgham was a thing..

Wentz can not utilize WR's. Every decent pass is to a TE, the vast majority of yards and plays and TD's are to TE's. Maybe its scheme, but WR's get no traction here. If we had Metcalf I am 100% sure we'd all me bemoaning the fact we had this WR with all the physical traits but no production. If we had Jefferson we'd be sad we missed on Claypool. We simply cannot utilize and/or develop WR's. Scheme or Wentz? No idea.
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At some point it's got to be scheme. None of them are getting open. Yet we see other teams get speedy guys wide open every week. 

 
Insein said:
Bieniemy would be on my short list 
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That might be the only one I can think of right now. But would Andy even allow it? Andy for one thing know he wouldn't put his assistants in a bad situation to not be successful. He let go of Doug because he knew the Eagles environment enough. Not sure after the last 2 yrs if that has changed though and would he allow his former team to take another one of his coaches? I know he wasn't too pleased when Doug took a few coaches he wanted to keep in KC with him to Philly. One of them was my co workers son but KC wasn't offering him a promotion or at least more $$$ to stay either. 

 
I actually feel bad for Pederson.  Watching these press conferences, the guy just seems miserable.  I wonder if he even wants to be calling plays anymore.  He went from a super bowl winning coach to this in a couple years.  

 
fred_1_15301 said:
I actually feel bad for Pederson.  Watching these press conferences, the guy just seems miserable.  I wonder if he even wants to be calling plays anymore.  He went from a super bowl winning coach to this in a couple years.  
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one of the quickest press conferences this year too. Every one is close to 10 minutes or less

 
DJackson10 said:
That might be the only one I can think of right now. But would Andy even allow it? Andy for one thing know he wouldn't put his assistants in a bad situation to not be successful. He let go of Doug because he knew the Eagles environment enough. Not sure after the last 2 yrs if that has changed though and would he allow his former team to take another one of his coaches? I know he wasn't too pleased when Doug took a few coaches he wanted to keep in KC with him to Philly. One of them was my co workers son but KC wasn't offering him a promotion or at least more $$$ to stay either. 
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No I mean for HC

 
Not sure who the reporter was, but asked a good question to Doug, Carson and Goedert:

"What happened on that 4th down play when you guys were not on the same page. you have played together for 3 years and it is week 12, how are you not on the same page?"

as usual, no real answers, but fair enough question

 
Great job by our DC getting him extra fired up tonight!!!!! 

DK Metcalf after career high 177 yards, he says he had a chip on his shoulder and was fired up because of this pregame:

He says Jim Schwartz said to him that he was with Megatron in Detroit, and that he is not there yet

 
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