Bigboy10182000
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It’s a damn shame because Groh seemed to do well as the WR coach.
So glad they made these moves. They were very much needed.
So glad they made these moves. They were very much needed.
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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (4 Viewers)
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Deamon
Footballguy
jasvic
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Bring back DeFilippo as OC?
jasvic
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Things needed to be shaken up to get rid of the super bowl complacency. Eagles lucked out the last 2 years in making the playoffs after starting so poorly but they have some talent under performing. A new voice for some of these guys might change it up.
Also need more talent. Can't have too much talent.
Also need more talent. Can't have too much talent.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Jeff mcclane is reporting Doug hadn’t met with lurie at the time of the press conference yesterday and lurie had decided in December groh and walch would be gone. So basically Doug does the presser and says they’ll be back, meets with lurie, and now they’re gonna. Seems silly if true to have press conference before meeting with owner
The Noid
Avoid me!
Yeah, whether he knew or not, it's not a good look. Either he's in the dark and not on the same page with the front office and/or owner, or he looks bad for lying in the press conference when he knew (instead of responding in a less committal way, like he did when asked about Schwartz.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
F()k’s sake man that was mildly disturbing. Especially the wink at the end
Deamon
Footballguy
I think Doug accidentally took some Molly when he woke upF()k’s sake man that was mildly disturbing. Especially the wink at the end
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Or they just don’t care about the optics which is what I believe it is. They’re on their own time line and probably have good relationships with these guys. No need to essentially lead on that their fired but he shouldn’t have said they’ll be back either. Should have just played it down the middle.
Insein
Footballguy
I saw that tweet reply too, lol.I think Doug accidentally took some Molly when he woke up
Deamon
Footballguy
Maybe a tad. Maybe he just knows one of Doug's downfalls is his loyalty though. Lurie is a smart businessman and can separate his emotional attachment from a smart decision.
It's not the end of the world if this is one of Doug's downsides, he has plenty of upsides to make up for it. I'm glad the owner stepped in and made up for it.
Insein
Footballguy
They're his coaching staff. If he doesn't like the way something is going, that's what the owner is supposed to do. He's not hiring the next guy but if he sees a guy is not performing well, he certainly can fire him.
dhockster
Footballguy
No, not if the coach wasn't willing to it. The majority of this board was for firing Groh, apparently Lurie saw it the way we did.
This happens in business all the time where the boss has to tell a supervisor to let somebody go, because the supervisor is too close to the situation to see it clearly.
Now if Lurie starts telling Pederson what offense to run or what plays to call, then he overstepping his position.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Noid
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That's a no from me, dog. We need someone with fresh eyes, from outside the building (past or present), that is hungry to show they can be innovative and willing to adapt.
dhockster
Footballguy
Um, no. His offenses with St.Louis, Cleveland, and the Giants were bad. His offenses in Philly were good, but they were Chip Kelly's offense. In Minnesota he had one bad year, and a good year, but even his good year wasn't that great (11th in yards, 10th in points).
I am not a Shurmur fan, either as a head coach or an OC.
jasvic
Footballguy
I'm with the noid. No more familiarity or internal hires. Gimme someone with a new outlook who can work with Wentz and his strengths.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This OC spot needs a veteran. They’re not calling plays and are essentially there for recommendations and coaching. I think this is a spot that needs a vet. Can’t see anyone “up and coming” heading here to not call plays.
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dhockster
Footballguy
I am not against a veteran. I just don't think Shurmur is a very good offensive mind. Just look at some of his misuse of Barcley with the Giants. Last year the Giants were beating the Eagles at half and Barcley had 131 yards on 15 touches. In the second half he had 11 yards on 5 touches. The Giants lost.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I understand and a guy like Reich wouldn’t have fit the definition of what we are looking for now either. What did he have one year as OC and was fired in SD?
Shurmer has the Reid system experience along with QB coach, OC And HC. Foles, Keenum and Jones all had pretty good seasons with him around too
modogg
Footballguy
i really suggest everyone check out the latest Birds with Friends podcast. not sure how to link in here, but they did talk about Doug at the press conference and how he was totally different then he usually is (like he started vacation already).I think Doug accidentally took some Molly when he woke up
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/birds-with-friends-a-show-about-the-philadelphia-eagles/id1281676586
modogg
Footballguy
interesting, and good reporting:
As I noted yesterday, Doug Pederson had yet to meet with owner Jeffery Lurie when he gave Groh and Walch a vote of confidence. He did today. Lurie had pretty much decided by December that he didn’t want either back, an NFL source said. https://t.co/yldY0riZwW
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) January 9, 2020
I didn't know Lurie would weigh in so much on decisions like that
As I noted yesterday, Doug Pederson had yet to meet with owner Jeffery Lurie when he gave Groh and Walch a vote of confidence. He did today. Lurie had pretty much decided by December that he didn’t want either back, an NFL source said. https://t.co/yldY0riZwW
— Jeff McLane (@Jeff_McLane) January 9, 2020
I didn't know Lurie would weigh in so much on decisions like that
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
“Two candidates I'm hearing for the Eagles offensive coordinator post are Jim Caldwell and former Washington OC Kevin O'Connell, per source.”
dhockster
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Actually wouldn't mind either. Would prefer a young offensive mind but these would be okay. Just no Duce.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
The Noid
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No more REAL dives. He needs to take more of the ones like Wilson did that got Barnett a penalty. Barnett tried to pull up and even attempted to hold Wilson upright, but he turned on the spaghetti legs to draw the flag.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The last one was his decision to fire Kelly, and that seems to have worked out OK. As long as he’s not telling the coaches what to do on gameday, I’m ok with it. He’s not a Snyder/Haslam/Jones type.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I knew both would be gone. Doug gave them a vote of Confidence which is never a good thing
DJackson10
Footballguy
It's still not as bad as the Dive Cam Newton had that got a PF on us during a False Start on Car in Carolina one year on TNF with Kelly still coach. That was a Lebron like dive
DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Not sure if this should be good on Wentz or another WTF is our Medical Staff and NFL Independent DRs doing not doing their job
NFL DR calls Wentz Heroic for reporting his OWN CONCUSSION
NFL DR calls Wentz Heroic for reporting his OWN CONCUSSION
JetMaxx
Footballguy
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/772606-dk-metcalf-wr-ole-miss-declares-for-the-nfl-draft/?do=findComment&comment=22430034
There’s a lot to glean from this. Everybody gets medicals wrong and 1 season doesn’t determine the verdict on this one. But putting players in position to play to their strengths is huge.
There’s a lot to glean from this. Everybody gets medicals wrong and 1 season doesn’t determine the verdict on this one. But putting players in position to play to their strengths is huge.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It fairly common for a player to report his own concussion. It’s happens quite a bit.
And the Eagles and independent docs all did their jobs.
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babydemon90
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I wouldn't be opposed to Kafka at OC, but who knows.
We might need to take the reins away from Pederson if see the same slow starts with a new OC.
We might need to take the reins away from Pederson if see the same slow starts with a new OC.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I still want Doug calling plays. I just want a veteran guy who can tell him when he’s wrong. I don’t want a new ‘yes sir’ type. From what I’ve read both Reich and Flip has strong personalities and I’m sure that helped a lot of coaching and game planning.
Out of all the OC’s I see rumored give me Caldwell. On the surface he seems almost over qualified but I think he can bring a lot of good experience to the team
need2know
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I really don’t know. I haven’t heard his name mentioned as a HC recently and if he wants back in this could be a good start.
I'm surprised at the amount of concern expressed by Philly writers along these lines. At least a couple are accusing Lurie of undermining Doug's authority and making him look really bad, especially after what he said in the press conference on Wednesday. Writers now questioning how much input Doug will have in selecting the next OC (will Lurie "request" that it be Duce?) and speculating that Doug is probably pissed about how this all appears for him. Some writers even questioning why Groh should have been fired considering the great job done getting the team into the playoffs with a bunch of scrubs. While I expected some questioning of why and how it was done, I wasn't expecting the extent of negativity I'm seeing. Hopefully it's just stirring the pot and doesn't reflect how Doug really feels or the nature of the relationship between him and Lurie.
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