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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter The Noid
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I own businesses in the Fort Worth area, but live on our ranch just about 30 minutes south of there.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I was in Fort Worth a couple years back for training actually. It’s very built up from what I remember. Me and a friend took an Uber to Hard Eight BBQ in Coppell and had a damn good time. Food was amazing
babydemon90
Footballguy
oof. At least it wasn't Mailata or Herbig, since we're going to need those two to be starters next year most likely - but still, yet again we swap it up.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Eagles now looking at 13th different OL combination in 14 games.
This has to be close to a record.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
it doesn't, but especially once Carson started getting in his head more, it probably would have been a good idea just to simplify things to get him back on track. that's how reich and defillippo got foles back on track in 2017. Said just tell us the plays that you feel comfortable with and we will build from there. May be that Doug's aggressive nature causes him to lean into the best-case scenarios sometimes, which he knows Carson is capable of, but are just not always realistic.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Foles mentioned that about Reich and how he figured him out as a player when he played the Colts this year. Maybe he just didn't mention Pederson because it was press for the Colts game vs not viewing Pederson as part of that solution.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This reporter is the gift that keeps on giving:
”The Eagles QB mess has a lot of unique, complicating factors — but it’s also pretty simple.
Just pick the better QB”
and
”It always amazes me how much where a player was drafted impacts how his performance is viewed.
If Jalen Hurts played that game vs. Saints as a top-5 pick, people would be going crazy/confident he is “the guy” at QB
Bc he was a 2nd pick, it was “only one game” and “let’s see””
These are actual thoughts of his lol
”The Eagles QB mess has a lot of unique, complicating factors — but it’s also pretty simple.
Just pick the better QB”
and
”It always amazes me how much where a player was drafted impacts how his performance is viewed.
If Jalen Hurts played that game vs. Saints as a top-5 pick, people would be going crazy/confident he is “the guy” at QB
Bc he was a 2nd pick, it was “only one game” and “let’s see””
These are actual thoughts of his lol
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Doug Pederson on Travis Fulgham's 11 snaps: "Alshon's getting healthier and playing better."
Insein
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
A LOOSE paraphrase of Jason Kelce, 33, playing on one healthy arm, to fans who want to lose to enhance draft position: "Stick draft position up your ###."
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
that info was reported at the time in 2017.
it's certainly possible that pederson was involved, just kind of trying to put some things together here.
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Mystery Achiever
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But I don't think we heard anything from Foles back then singling out Reich for credit. Though, again, may have bee the context of the Colts game.
. He was the one who really figured me out as a player and realized that we had it all wrong and they just threw some plays out there one day and just said, ‘Go play these plays, we studied you and these are the plays you do.’ And sure enough something triggered inside of me. And he figured me out as a player to where even during games when I’d come to the sidelines, like, usually coaches want to coach you up and do all this. He would just say ‘Keep doing it. Just keep doing it.’
. He was the one who really figured me out as a player and realized that we had it all wrong and they just threw some plays out there one day and just said, ‘Go play these plays, we studied you and these are the plays you do.’ And sure enough something triggered inside of me. And he figured me out as a player to where even during games when I’d come to the sidelines, like, usually coaches want to coach you up and do all this. He would just say ‘Keep doing it. Just keep doing it.’
Balco
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2 firsts is insane. Maybe a few conditional picks based on performance. Wentz in any objective measure has been the worst starting qb in the nfl. His catchable ball % is the worst in the NFL. I can see a gm giving up a late first for him but I think the benefit to Eagles is getting rid of his contract and taking less of a hit than if they outright released him. And I think that’s the leverage other teams have. They know what a bond Philly is in with that contract.
Insein
Footballguy
The cap hit is the same for trade or cut. So there's no relief there. They'd be doing it just to get rid of him.
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dhockster
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No, not true. The cap hit in 2021 is $59.2 million if cut. The cap hit in 2021 is $33.8 in 2021 if traded (per ESPN).
Balco
Footballguy
Really? I thought I read cap hit would be reduced. If not then they might as well keep him.
Insein
Footballguy
I'm looking at overthecap. It doesn't seem to move when I switch it. Let me check again. Ah I see now. It only moves for 2020 for some reason.
Yes then. It goes from $59m to $33m
The Noid
Avoid me!
need2know
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
“
Back in February, in researching a similar piece on Alshon Jeffery, I asked Jason Fitzgerald of OverTheCap to give me the biggest dead money hits in NFL history. His list is below (I added in Brandin Cooks and Nick Foles, who have since also had sizeable dead money hits):
Brandin Cooks: $21.8M
Antonio Brown: $21.12M
Peyton Manning: $19.3M (they received a big credit for that though)
Nick Foles $18.7M
Ryan Tannehill: $18.4M
Jamarcus Russell: $17.9M
Nnamdi Asomugha: $17.2M
Blake Bortles: $16.5M
If the Eagles were willing to trade Wentz and take on $33.8 million in dead money, it would be the biggest dead money hit in NFL history by a country mile, clearing the previous dead money hit leader (Cooks) by $12 million.”
need2know
Footballguy
Wow thats really sad. Best thing is to hold on and hope he can turn it around. Which we all already know. But if he can't beat out hurts in the offseason convincingly, I think he's got to go
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
i think who our starting QB is next year isn't our biggest problem for next year and beyond. heck, it's possible fixing everything else except the QB issue fixes the QB problem regardless of who it is between the two.
DJackson10
Footballguy
They take the same hit. He's a former top 3 pick who isn't far off a season where he would probably have won the MVP outright. He threw for over 3K and 30 TDs and less then 10 INTs last year with a bunch of street guys to catch besides Boston Scott and Ertz/Goardert. A team wouldn't be taking the dead cap hit the Eagles. I still view Carson as a top 5 young talent at QB. If a team really wants him they are gonna have to want to invest. Considering what they gave up to get him I think 2 firsts is more then enough. The fact the Eagles got a first for Bradford only a few yrs ago Carson is a much better talent.
DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Who is it? Jesus he has a job? I could write better stuff made up off the top of my head then this. Sounds like just writing a piece just to make sure I have something for the day
DJackson10
Footballguy
Well duh he gave up on Carson it's pretty obvious he's the rat.You either bench this clown or you release him and eat the dead cap just to get cancer like this out of your locker room.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Better draft picks traded to us!!!!!!!!!Gonna be really tough when hurts wins out and takes us to the playoffs
DJackson10
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Talent and production are not the same. The 4 years prior to this show his talents. You want to argue he lost all that have at it.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Right now yes but John Elway had two seasons early in his career where he was one of the worst and look where he ended up. I trust Wentz's talent to go back to what I saw in 2017. Ive seen numerous QB's like Hurts and they usually are never consistent. I'll take the guy who was potential MVP in 2017 who helped us get to a position to win a SB over the unknown
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I think he has talent, but I think the changes in his life outside football, the loss of confidence the coaches and fans have in him, the shell shock he’s developed in holding the ball too long, and his passing accuracy has seriously declined, all correlate to his production. So yes, his talent has declined to a bottom 7-10 QB in the NFL.
Wentz too could bounce back also. Hopefully so, he seems like a good guy, but he has way more stacked against him than Elway did. Plus Elway was just a better QB to begin with.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Lot of assumptions on your part. Who knows how much his life is affecting his play? Or the fans who don’t come to games? Get some more weapons and a better scheme and he’ll be fine. You could take any QB, in his prime, and put him on this team and he’d look like hell.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You’re talking out of your butt cheeks or to young to remember Elway. He was far from the QB most remember him as in his later years. He never completed above 60% until he was 33 and topped 20 TD’s (one time in his 3rd year) in a season one time.
Ash
Footballguy
I like Josh Sweat a lot, he one of very few, legitimately good young players on this team. He has those knee issues which people keep saying makes him a permanent part time player, so even if he is a 3rd DE who plays up to 30 snaps per game, that's still a worthwhile role because your rush specialist plays on the most important situations, 3rd downs, defending a lead etc.
He improved in both his 2nd year and 3rd year. Unfortunately, this pick, Sanders and Mailata are clearly Howie's 3 best picks since 2017.
ETA: One of those sacks on Sunday he smoked Terron Armstead who is a Top 5 LT.
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Ash
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Aside from maybe some loss of quick twitch shiftiness from 2017, his talent hasn't declined. He's still capable of making every throw he made in 2017. His *execution* has declined by an enormous amount, both starting but especially during this season.
I went back a couple of weeks ago and watched a couple of late 2019 games, and all the mechanical stuff with his footwork was there then too, but that has been deteriorating since Reich and Flip left IMO, but it's gotten to the point now where he is inaccurate frequently rather than occasionally. When you add the high risk decisions he was making about which throws to make, and when to hold the ball to start the season, and his seeming inability to work through a progression and throw on time, which trended downwards during the year, we get the cluster#### Wentz has become.
I think he needs a 6 million dollar man "we can rebuild him" process with a coach who is actually capable of fixing all his bad habits and re-teaching his decision making. Wentz also has to approach that process with some humility because at least 50% of his problems are self made. He's a 5yr veteran who should know much better than some of the idiotic decisions he's made on the field this year.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Somebody in the Steelers thread threw out the notion of the Steelers possibly making an offer for Wentz. I don't think the financials would work out but I would LOVE to see what Carson could do with those receivers and good coaching. I would be giddy to have him as Ben's replacement. Worst case scenario is that he's truly lost it mentally and forever a bottom tier QB. More likely scenario (based on his entire track record prior to this season) is that he turns out to be an adequate to good replacement for Ben (with the potential of turning into a home run).
need2know
Footballguy
At 56 years old, your probably right. I’m too young.
Maybe Wentz is more Payton than Eli.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Like I said, it will likely never happen.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Wentz first 4 yrs blow Elway out of the water. Elway wasn't the QB many people remember until his later yrs. Elway never had a comp % of 60 or more till he was almost in his 30s Carson has 4 already. Elway never had a season of throwing fewer than 10 INTs Carson has 3. His 2 worse his rookie year of 14 and this year of 15. Wentz has more TDs of 30 or more with 1. And Elway had 9 seasons of throwing for under 20TDs in a season. Until 93 there was literal talk of Elway being traded. Elway wasn't this incredible QB everyone thinks he is until very late in his career.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Wentz reminds me of the talent Starting pitcher who is just all out of sorts. But with the right rebuild project Pitching coach rights the ship and becomes a huge Cy Young favorite every year after. He needs the Cochman (Phillies new pitching coach former Reds coach) Baur (now former Reds pitcher who was always talented but never seemed to have his mechanics straight won Cy Young this year with improved mechanics) approach. Some of that has to be on him but I think they really need to find the right coach for him QB wise and or coach as well. It's a reoccurring theme the QB coaches just aren't helping him and Press Taylor seems like part of the problem.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It wouldn't be a bad spot. he was always compared to having a Big Ben type playing style too. I remember Ben struggled for awhile at some point. Can't remember was it his QB coach or the OC who righted the ship?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
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