***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Desert_Power]

Don't often see a no look perfect through ball. We're just lucky to get to witness this brilliance.

 

[heckmanm]

They changed it because they wanted both sides to have the opportunity

This was the argument they made because they didn't like the first man to score wins rules they had before.

Really, tho, people who prefer the Golden Goal need to make the argument. There's a clock in regulation, and at the end of that time, a winner is declared. Why should extra time have a NEW rule inserted, that first team to score wins? Why shouldn't they play the extra time, if you want it decided on the field?

Don't get me wrong. I am not really arguing FOR the golden goal. I am just trying to figure out a "fair" way to determine a winner that is NOT via penalty kicks.

This is really the rub. No one likes it, but no one has a better idea, despite decades of debate and proposals. Some naively thought the golden goal would open things up and get teams to attack in extra time, but the opposite happened.

To me the “simple” thing to try next is removing a player or two from each side to open the pitch up more and hopefully promote more attacking.

Pull someone every 5 minutes until it's just the GK's charging the ball like an XFL scramble

 

[titusbramble]

To win or to advance? If it was win, that bet loses

Whoa. has it always been this way?

I just meant that a win by PKs is officially considered a “draw” so I’m thinking a pre match bet for a win would not have cashed .

ETA - for example right now, Netherlands is +1000 to win and +350 to advance

It depends on what you bet obviously, any book will have separate 90 minute and to advance markets

 

[The Gator]

Don't often see a no look perfect through ball. We're just lucky to get to witness this brilliance.

Filthy filth

Anyone who wants to get of the offside rule should watch that play. The rule creates brilliance like this, including the first touch and shot.

 

[Desert_Power]

VdV would be a good TE.

 

[pecorino]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

DePaul is singing some Ke$ha right now. "I'm going down. I'm shouting Timber"

 

[fightingillini]

They changed it because they wanted both sides to have the opportunity

This was the argument they made because they didn't like the first man to score wins rules they had before.

Really, tho, people who prefer the Golden Goal need to make the argument. There's a clock in regulation, and at the end of that time, a winner is declared. Why should extra time have a NEW rule inserted, that first team to score wins? Why shouldn't they play the extra time, if you want it decided on the field?

Don't get me wrong. I am not really arguing FOR the golden goal. I am just trying to figure out a "fair" way to determine a winner that is NOT via penalty kicks.

This is really the rub. No one likes it, but no one has a better idea, despite decades of debate and proposals. Some naively thought the golden goal would open things up and get teams to attack in extra time, but the opposite happened.

To me the “simple” thing to try next is removing a player or two from each side to open the pitch up more and hopefully promote more attacking.

It works in the NHL going 3-3....it's pretty exciting.

I would do 7 on 7......or 8 on 8 and allow extra substitutions. Play a 20 minute overtime and if still tied, it becomes sudden death.

I am not a fan of deciding these games by penalties.

 

[bryhamm]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

Some else mentioned this. I like it. Keep doing 15 min OT periods, dropping a player after each. Could even start the first OT period by dropping 1 player. Maybe even offer extra subs after each period, so sides could bring on additional players.

 

[gianmarco]

Messi really isn't that good.

 

[B Maverick]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

 

[chet]

What are the implications of a yellow to the bench?

 

[titusbramble]

Lots of cards, ref is (checks notes) Spanish, because why wouldn't he be

 

[Desert_Power]

These announcers seem new to Lahoz and his shenanigans

 

[AAABatteries]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

10v10 is fine - do that and allow maybe a couple more subs and reevaluate in another 8-12 years

 

[gianmarco]

Messi really isn't that good.

He still hasn't done anything in the Euros compared to Ronaldo.

 

[AAABatteries]

What are the implications of a yellow to the bench?

Same as if they are playing.

ETA - if it’s a coach they can also be sent off

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

These announcers seem new to Lahoz and his shenanigans

Ah, the referee-protagonist.

 

[B Maverick]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

10v10 is fine - do that and allow maybe a couple more subs and reevaluate in another 8-12 years

Doesn't change my opinion. Unless you are going to completely change to free subbing like hockey, its not viable to ask players to keep running.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

What was better? Messi's pass for the assist today or his goal against Nigeria in Russia?

 

[pecorino]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

I’d start reducing players sooner. Fine, change the sub rules too. I don’t know them—I’m an uneducated American. But I know that penalty kicks don’t feel right to me in determining a winner.

 

[Desert_Power]

Angle from behind the goal: https://twitter.com/robertorojas97/status/1601302311699369985?s=46&t=DRtlYC_8mN_b276-nADgRw

 

[B Maverick]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

I’d start reducing players sooner. Fine, change the sub rules too. I don’t know them—I’m an uneducated American. But I know that penalty kicks don’t feel right to me in determining a winner.

I disagree. Love PKs.
But I get why people don't.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Scores goals like the great goal-scorers (non-PK division) and ALSO creates goals like that for others. Against modern defenses and modern athletes.

GOAT for me, and #2 isn't in sight.

 

[massraider]

I disagree. Love PKs.

Me too. PKs are part of the game, same as anything else. Once you are playing 3 on 3 halfcourt hoops here......we really hate PKs that much?

 

[AAABatteries]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

10v10 is fine - do that and allow maybe a couple more subs and reevaluate in another 8-12 years

Doesn't change my opinion. Unless you are going to completely change to free subbing like hockey, its not viable to ask players to keep running.

I wasn’t suggesting that but maybe you were replying to someone else. I think stopping at 30 still makes sense. 10v10 ET plus a couple more subs would be my vote. I’m not a huge fan of PKs but it is high drama and if you can’t win in 120 minutes I don’t feel bad for you.

 

[B Maverick]

Tite has stepped down as Brazil coach

 

[B Maverick]

I just wish there was a way to finish the game on the field. I get that it's not physically possible to force them to keep playing though. Just wish there was a way.

I’ve always hated penalty kicks, especially in high stakes matches. Given the reverence and history of the game, I know darned well that my idea would never fly, but here it is: at some time mark, each team fields 10 players instead of 11. After another chunk of time, they get down to 9, and then 8, and so on. I think it would be exciting and a goal would definitely be scored.

And you are asking players, who have already played so many minutes, to cover more ground leading to more injuries. Players today are already playing too many games every year, you are going to risk major injury.

None of these ideas really work unless you change the subbing rules. Hence PKs.

10v10 is fine - do that and allow maybe a couple more subs and reevaluate in another 8-12 years

Doesn't change my opinion. Unless you are going to completely change to free subbing like hockey, its not viable to ask players to keep running.

I wasn’t suggesting that but maybe you were replying to someone else. I think stopping at 30 still makes sense. 10v10 ET plus a couple more subs would be my vote. I’m not a huge fan of PKs but it is high drama and if you can’t win in 120 minutes I don’t feel bad for you.

Thanks for clarifying. Thought you meant going to 10v10, adding subs and eliminating PKs like others are suggesting.

 

[pecorino]

I disagree. Love PKs.

Me too. PKs are part of the game, same as anything else. Once you are playing 3 on 3 halfcourt hoops here......we really hate PKs that much?

YES

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

LVG continuing to troll me with the Steven Berghuis for Steven Bergwjin substitution.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

They changed it because they wanted both sides to have the opportunity

This was the argument they made because they didn't like the first man to score wins rules they had before.

Really, tho, people who prefer the Golden Goal need to make the argument. There's a clock in regulation, and at the end of that time, a winner is declared. Why should extra time have a NEW rule inserted, that first team to score wins? Why shouldn't they play the extra time, if you want it decided on the field?

Don't get me wrong. I am not really arguing FOR the golden goal. I am just trying to figure out a "fair" way to determine a winner that is NOT via penalty kicks.

This is really the rub. No one likes it, but no one has a better idea, despite decades of debate and proposals. Some naively thought the golden goal would open things up and get teams to attack in extra time, but the opposite happened.

To me the “simple” thing to try next is removing a player or two from each side to open the pitch up more and hopefully promote more attacking.

Just like the golden goal, we hope it would promote attacking but the reality is likely the opposite. If you're playing 8 v 8 on a soccer field, good luck getting someone in on goal against a 5-3-0 formation.

 

[Capella]

I don’t like kicks, wish it would get settled before that, but there is something to them where the pressure always seems to overwhelm one side. You could just tell Brazil had no chance with all that pressure on them. That alone makes it interesting to me.

 

[B Maverick]

Also, there are already 5 subs plus an additional one in ET. No much more subbing you can allow unless you let players come back...

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

LOL. That pass was roughly 5000000% easier than Messi's.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Elite uniform matchup here.

I've got a Dutch 2002 jersey a friend sent me from the Netherlands. Its pretty tight around the waste these days and really no one needs to see me walking around in that tight bright orange, but its a pretty sweet shirt.

Did it travel through Holland on the way?

-QG

 

[B Maverick]

Elite uniform matchup here.

I've got a Dutch 2002 jersey a friend sent me from the Netherlands. Its pretty tight around the waste these days and really no one needs to see me walking around in that tight bright orange, but its a pretty sweet shirt.

Did it travel through Holland on the way?

-QG

It definitely went Dutch

 

[chet]

What are the implications of a yellow to the bench?

Same as if they are playing.

ETA - if it’s a coach they can also be sent off

Did he single out a bench player? I thought he showed it to the bench as a whole.

 

[The Gator]

Messi doing a Suarez and not getting a card lol

 

[AAABatteries]

You have to give Messi a yellow there you idiot

 

[Poke_4_Life]

LOL, no yellow on the GOAT for the handball.

 

[AAABatteries]

What are the implications of a yellow to the bench?

Same as if they are playing.

ETA - if it’s a coach they can also be sent off

Did he single out a bench player? I thought he showed it to the bench as a whole.

No, it was to one of the players on the bench - I don’t think there’s a thing as a bench yellow - it always goes to player or coach.

 

[gianmarco]

You have to give Messi a yellow there you idiot

Michael Oliver's fault from last game.

 

[QuizGuy66]

2nd bench yellow should mean they are all suspended for the next game. Maximize the chaos.

-QG

 

[The Gator]

Messi unlocked the def again but it got wasted.

 

[gianmarco]

Messi unlocked the def again but it got wasted.

No idea how they wasted that chance. XG on that has to be .99

 

[The Gator]

**** this ref and I’m pulling for Arg.

 

[gianmarco]

I still giggle every time these guys lay down when setting up the wall on a free kick.

"Paint me like one of your French girls"

 

[Poke_4_Life]

Can old man Luuk do some magic? I doubt it... but aggressive sub from LvG.

 

[AAABatteries]

Dummfries may have Gio beat for the death stare at a teammate award.

 

[B Maverick]

Is Tim Krul on the roster?

We have to get to PKs just for him.