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***Official 2023 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The Vuelta will be a Primoz, Vigo, G, Remco mosh pit (2 Viewers)

Nathan R. Jessep said:
massraider said:
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Dude. I am a programmer by trade. I'd be lying if I said I haven't thought about this angle! I've seen ChatGPT write some working code from literally a couple of sentences. :eek:
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BobbyLayne said:
today is relentless accelerations, attacks, counters, splits, regroup

fun chaotic stage
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BobbyLayne said:
go break go
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Jaysus said:
this is bananas
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DA RAIDERS said:
What a crazy day.
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Kind of a let down. Someone needs to tell these GC guys that you soft pedal the first half and hammer the end.
 
Jaysus said:
Pogacar in yellow after tomorrow.
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That’s the way it feels to me as well

But I think the final margin will be bonies

rn he leads 26-11 in bonus seconds

but I expect them to leap frog each other 15-16-17

15 & 17 are long climbs, which I think favor Jonas

tomorrow and the ITT Monday are uphill summit finish’s where I give the edge to Pogi
 
BobbyLayne said:
today was nuts - took over two hours of battling for the break to finally form

highly entertaining stage
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Wished it would have finished that way. Still don't understand what WvA is doing unless he's just doing training intervals for Worlds.
 
BassNBrew said:
BobbyLayne said:
today was nuts - took over two hours of battling for the break to finally form

highly entertaining stage
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Wished it would have finished that way. Still don't understand what WvA is doing unless he's just doing training intervals for Worlds.
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I don't know what he does differently. He hasn't been climbing great the whole tour. A lot of YouTube experts said he shouldn't have responded to Izagirre's attack after the penultimate climb but what else is he gonna do? Took his shot, didn't work out.

Another great stage for Matteo Jorgenson getting on the podium. He was pretty bummed after the stage, this was his last best chance to win from the break.

Cannot believe Cofidis has two stage wins after not winning one for 15 years.
 
Stage 13 preview
Châtillon-sur-Chalaronne > Grand Colombier

Weather
30°C, no rain, 15km/h South wind in the valley, no wind on the climb

Stage Breakdown

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This is tomorrow's stage, more or less. We always or almost always have one, comes pretty late this year. We start near Bourg en Bresse, where we will end stage 18, this is the start of our long Alps trip. And with it, a classic of French race, not so much of the Tour. We are at the Grand Colombier, mostly used in the Tour de l'Ain, and a staple of the Tour de France since the 2010's, with 2020 being the most iconic use of the climb in that period post Covid when cycling was a mess. We take the South side of the climb, with the Lacets du Grand Colombier allowing pretty images!

With that in mind here are our predictions:

★★★ FRANCE

★★ Pogacar, Vingegaard

★ Breakaway

14th of July is Bastille Day, so frenchies gotta win this, it's obvious, the last one to succeed at this was Warren Barguil back in 2017 again a star break with Contador, Landa and Quintana! Tho for real unlikely a French rider wins.

THis profile makes it unlikely for a break to win. Because this is an opportunity for the 2 big dogs to have a showdown, and Jumbo have been clear on their intent to win a stage (with questionable tactics). Also, the break will form on the flat, where it's a struggle for climbers, there is a real chance we end up with a classic man break, usually one or two climber manages to sneak in. If it happens and the peloton gives 8+ minutes, those climbers should go play the lotto after the stage!
 
@MilHistNow

On this day in 1789, a mob of 900 revolutionaries and a regiment of elite French Guards storm the Bastille in Paris.

Erected in the 14th century, the fortress-turned-prison had come to symbolize the oppression of the Ancien Régime among many in France.

#BastilleDay
 
does everyone watch World Feed?

love Phil but can't beat uninterrupted commercial free

also no cutaways to watch the sandbox in the studio
 
Time won in the last 20 races and stages where VINGEGAARD Jonas (Jumbo-Visma) and POGAČAR Tadej (UAE Team Emirates) did not finish in the same time.

YEARRACEVINGEGAARD JONASPOGAČAR TADEJ
2023Tour de France | Stage 90:08
2023Tour de France | Stage 60:24
2023Tour de France | Stage 51:04
2023Paris - Nice | Stage 80:33
2023Paris - Nice | Stage 70:06
2023Paris - Nice | Stage 40:43
2023Paris - Nice | Stage 3 (TTT)0:23
2022Il Lombardia2:03
2022Tour de France | Stage 210:51
2022Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)0:08
2022Tour de France | Stage 181:04
2022Tour de France | Stage 112:51
2022Tour de France | Stage 50:13
2022Tour de France | Stage 1 (ITT)0:08
2022Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 61:03
2022Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 40:02
2022Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)0:35
2021Il Lombardia2:25
2021Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)0:25
2021Tour de France | Stage 180:02
 
I like this break better

Break
4 riders •113.2 km to go
#187 Maxim Van Gils (LTD) +1:20:56
#137 Nelson Oliveira (MOV) +1:24:43
#36 Quentin Pacher (GFC) +1:39:32
#117 Mike Teunissen (ICW) +2:07:48

No way it sticks tho
 
Seems like this year it's dumb luck to get into a break. Seems to be more about the peleton easing up than guys riding away. Maybe it's because I've watched more of the earlier parts of each stage and it's always been this way.
 
Jaysus said:
I like this break better

Break
4 riders •113.2 km to go
#187 Maxim Van Gils (LTD) +1:20:56
#137 Nelson Oliveira (MOV) +1:24:43
#36 Quentin Pacher (GFC) +1:39:32
#117 Mike Teunissen (ICW) +2:07:48

No way it sticks tho
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Not seeing enough French names in that group.
 
50 km to the intermediate sprint

Situation​

 
Nationalities in the break.

#COUNTRYRIDERS#
1FranceLatour, Petit, Pacher3
2NetherlandsBol, Teunissen, Eenkhoorn3
3BelgiumStuyven,Van Gils2
4DenmarkAsgreen, Charmig2
5Great BritainShaw, Wright2
6ItalyMozzato, Bettiol2
7CanadaHoule1
8ColombiaTejada1
9GermanyZimmermann1
10PolandKwiatkowski1
11PortugalOliveira1
12SloveniaMohorič1
 
On this day in 2016.

In the final kilometres of stage 12 to Chalet Reynard up Mont Ventoux, Chris Froome, Bauke Mollema and Richie Porte attacked in the final kilometres of the group of GC riders. They crashed all three when a television moto suddenly stopped in front of them.

Froome, riding in yellow, found his bike damaged and with the teamcar far behind he decided to run up Mont Ventoux. He finished 2 minutes down on Adam Yates, but officials assigned him the same time as Mollema and kept the yellow jersey.
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LOL...what race are Bob and Phil commentating?

"UAE flying up the climb. Unbelievable speed."

Meanwhile the leader is holding the gap.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
3,5,10 today. Not bad.
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2-3-4-12 for me
2-3-4-18 for @Jaysus

think the intermediate sprint by Møhørič Mohorič (edit - always confuse him with Mørkøv) wins the stage for him though

RnkRiderTeamUCIPntTime
1KWIATKOWSKI MichałINEOS Grenadiers21010010″3:17:33
2VAN GILS MaximLotto Dstny150706″0:47
3POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates110504″0:50
4VINGEGAARD JonasJumbo-Visma90400:54
5PIDCOCK ThomasINEOS Grenadiers70321:03
6HINDLEY JaiBORA - hansgrohe55261:05
7SHAW JamesEF Education-EasyPost4522,,
8TEJADA HaroldAstana Qazaqstan Team4018,,
9YATES SimonTeam Jayco AlUla35141:14
10YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates30101:18
11RODRÍGUEZ CarlosINEOS Grenadiers2581:20
12KUSS SeppJumbo-Visma206,,
13ZIMMERMANN GeorgIntermarché - Circus - Wanty1541:34
14GALL FelixAG2R Citroën Team1021:41
15MEINTJES LouisIntermarché - Circus - Wanty511:45
16GAUDU DavidGroupama - FDJ,,
17BILBAO PelloBahrain - Victorious,,
18MOHORIČ MatejBahrain - Victorious2:06
19BARDET RomainTeam dsm - firmenich3:29
20HARPER ChrisTeam Jayco AlUla,,
 
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Really regretting not putting mohoric on my team. He was one of the guys I was fixated on. Stupid Ben O’Connor. His cost made me leave some off that I liked.
 
I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?
 
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