***Official 2023 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The Vuelta will be a Primoz, Vigo, G, Remco mosh pit (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

1. It's not. This whole team thing is blown out of proportion because there's nothing else to talk about. The only advantage is if he has a mechanical and can change bikes.

2. Because everyone has given up on the GC. It's really just a race for scraps. The early hill stages blew open this tour right at the start. They usually have to worry about guys in the break a few minutes back, most of the break guys are alreay over 30 mins back.

3. Vino, but it's close.

4. Yes. A Vino, Pogi, Remco, Roglic tour would have been awesome. Maybe next year.

 

[Jaysus]

I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

1. It's not. This whole team thing is blown out of proportion because there's nothing else to talk about. The only advantage is if he has a mechanical and can change bikes.

2. Because everyone has given up on the GC. It's really just a race for scraps. The early hill stages blew open this tour right at the start. They usually have to worry about guys in the break a few minutes back, most of the break guys are alreay over 30 mins back.

3. Vino, but it's close.

4. Yes. A Vino, Pogi, Remco, Roglic tour would have been awesome. Maybe next year.

Alternately: UAE screwed it up today

 

[DA RAIDERS]

The team thing works when your teams blows away everyone else. That didn’t happen today.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

1. It's not. This whole team thing is blown out of proportion because there's nothing else to talk about. The only advantage is if he has a mechanical and can change bikes.

2. Because everyone has given up on the GC. It's really just a race for scraps. The early hill stages blew open this tour right at the start. They usually have to worry about guys in the break a few minutes back, most of the break guys are alreay over 30 mins back.

3. Vino, but it's close.

4. Yes. A Vino, Pogi, Remco, Roglic tour would have been awesome. Maybe next year.

On number 1, I concurr unless you can have mulitple people from one team attack the solo, like happened last year (unsuccesfully) a few times with Roglic and Vino against Pogacar.

 

[BassNBrew]

I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

1. It's not. This whole team thing is blown out of proportion because there's nothing else to talk about. The only advantage is if he has a mechanical and can change bikes.

2. Because everyone has given up on the GC. It's really just a race for scraps. The early hill stages blew open this tour right at the start. They usually have to worry about guys in the break a few minutes back, most of the break guys are alreay over 30 mins back.

3. Vino, but it's close.

4. Yes. A Vino, Pogi, Remco, Roglic tour would have been awesome. Maybe next year.

On number 1, I concurr unless you can have mulitple people from one team attack the solo, like happened last year (unsuccesfully) a few times with Roglic and Vino against Pogacar.

Yes, 100%. Unfortunately everyone knows they aren't in the same zip code as Vino and Pogi.

 

[BobbyLayne]

• The King of the Mountains (KOM) classification.
  
  

  RNK.	RIDER	POINTS	TEAM
  1	POWLESS Neilson	46	EF Education-EasyPost
  2	POGAČAR Tadej	31	UAE Team Emirates
  3	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	30	Uno-X Pro Cycling Team
  4	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	30	INEOS Grenadiers
  5	GALL Felix	28	AG2R Citroën Team
  6	VINGEGAARD Jonas	28	Jumbo-Visma
  7	HINDLEY Jai	25	BORA - hansgrohe
  8	GUERREIRO Ruben	24	Movistar Team
  9	CICCONE Giulio	22	Lidl - Trek
  10	WOODS Michael	20	Israel - Premier Tech
  11	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	18	INEOS Grenadiers
  12	SHAW James	18	EF Education-EasyPost
  13	LATOUR Pierre	16	TotalEnergies
  14	VAN AERT Wout	15	Jumbo-Visma
  15	JORGENSON Matteo	15	Movistar Team
  16	VAN GILS Maxim	15	Lotto Dstny
  17	BUCHMANN Emanuel	14	BORA - hansgrohe
  18	NEILANDS Krists	12	Israel - Premier Tech
  19	MOHORIČ Matej	12	Bahrain - Victorious
  20	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	9	Alpecin-Deceuninck

 

[Sammy3469]

I have questions:

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

1. It's not. This whole team thing is blown out of proportion because there's nothing else to talk about. The only advantage is if he has a mechanical and can change bikes.

2. Because everyone has given up on the GC. It's really just a race for scraps. The early hill stages blew open this tour right at the start. They usually have to worry about guys in the break a few minutes back, most of the break guys are alreay over 30 mins back.

3. Vino, but it's close.

4. Yes. A Vino, Pogi, Remco, Roglic tour would have been awesome. Maybe next year.

Alternately: UAE screwed it up today

I don’t know if they screwed it up, Pogo got max seconds on a 4 second gap with the 4 bonus seconds.

I think it’s pretty clear that the top train of UAE isn’t as good as Jumbo when Jumbo wants to train it and these one big climb stages are always susceptible to one guy in the break being able to TT up climb for 45 minutes which Kwiatkowski can do if they more or less hide in the break until then.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If Tadej has three teammates pulling up the mountain ahead of him, and Vino is sitting 5th on Pogacar's wheel -- how is Vino disadvantaged by not having teammates? Isn't he benefitting from UAE's train just like Pogacar? This one has always bugged me.

In the mountains Kuss is roughly equal to any combo of A Yates + Majka-Soler-Großschartner in terms of pacing. Aero is less of a concern at climbing speeds but psychologically you can't lose the wheel of the guy in front of you.

Why is UAE not chasing down these breakaways? I don't recall this ever happening before on a consistent basis. Especially on mountain stages.

The daily narrative online is whoever is pacing the peloton is screwing up their tactics.

I think they did the right thing to let it go today bc you can't control a break that big. There's no sense fighting the formation too much bc unlike yesterday you need the energy for the final 50 minute climb. Where they screwed up is Lanengen and Trentin can't let the break go out that far before they get to the base of the climb.

If it comes down to the last time trial, who's the stronger rider in that discipline?

Uphill climb - slight edge to Pogi IMO - Vingegaard is better at longer climbs at alititude - but at 22.4 km I don't expect the gap to be huge. Bonus seconds are the key to this Tour so far and I think that pattern continues.

But there will be massive gaps in GC on Stages 14, 15 and 17 - huge difficult climbs. Somebody will have a bad day.

Would not be surprised if GC Kuss moves up to 6th or 7th by the middle of next week.

I have no idea who wins between the two heavyweights. Love them both and really am enjoying this Tour, it's the best one of the decade IMO.

Last, is Roglic competitive with these two? If he were in the race could he win?

I don't think so but opinions vary. Pogačar is the best cyclist in the world. Jonas is a fantastic GC rider. I feel like there's a good sized gap to the next tier of Remco and Primož.

 

[BobbyLayne]

• STAGE 13 LEADERBOARD
  

• 1
  
  708
  

  Boerum Hill Big Ringing​

  BobbyLayne
• 2
  
  699
  

  RB Brownwings WGUAFC​

  Jaysus
• 3
  
  564
  

  Bags Of Blood​

  culdeus
• 4
  
  526
  

  bilingual lebanese thespians​

  zmanzzzz
• 5
  
  518
  

  Sand`s Saddle Sores​

  BassNBrew
• 6
  
  475
  

  Squeaky Wheels​

  Cheeseypoof
• 7
  
  466
  

  Armstrong`s Needle​

  Da Raiders
• 8
  
  446
  

  Monte crappe​

  sammy3469
• 9
  
  407
  

  Let`s Go Brandon! ...McNulty​

  Sand
• 10
  
  376
  

  Spokes `n Tokes​

  Nick Vermeil
• 11
  
  345
  

  Forcats de la Route​

  ForzaShels

 

[BobbyLayne]

LE FBG TDF STAGE WINS

1. Da Raiders
2. BassNBrew
3. BobbyLayne
4. BobbyLayne
5. sammy3469
6. BobbyLayne
7. BobbyLayne
8. sammy3469 (2)
9. Jaysus
10. BassNBrew (2)
11. BobbyLayne
12. cheeseypoof
13. BobbyLayne (6)

 

[BobbyLayne]

LE FBG TDF Overall LEADERBOARD
​

• 1
  
  4811
  

  RB Brownwings WGUAFC​

  Jaysus
• 2
  
  4734
  

  Sand`s Saddle Sores​

  BassNBrew
• 3
  
  4636
  

  Boerum Hill Big Ringing​

  BobbyLayne
• 4
  
  4144
  

  Bags Of Blood​

  culdeus
• 5
  
  4112
  

  bilingual lebanese thespians​

  zmanzzzz
• 6
  
  4046
  

  Armstrong`s Needle​

  Da Raiders
• 7
  
  3955
  

  Spokes `n Tokes​

  Nick Vermeil
• 8
  
  3888
  

  Squeaky Wheels​

  Cheeseypoof
• 9
  
  3725
  

  Forcats de la Route​

  ForzaShels
• 10
  
  3636
  

  Monte crappe​

  sammy3469
• 11
  
  2741
  

  Let`s Go Brandon! ...McNulty​

  Sand

 

[BobbyLayne]

BOERUM HILL BIG RINGING

Vingegaard 188 pts	Pogačar 216 pts	Kuss 61 pts
Van Gils 225 pts	Philipsen 12 pts	Kirsch 0 pts
Laengen 6 pts	Peters 0 pts	Van Der Poel 0 pts

 

[BobbyLayne]

RB BROWNWINGS WGUAFC

Vingegaard 188 pts	Pogačar 216 pts	Van Gils 225 pts
Buchmann 6 pts	Philipsen 12 pts	Mohorič 52 pts
Peters 0 pts	Perez 0 pts	Van Der Poel 0 pts

 

[BobbyLayne]

Tour de France 2023 STAGE 14 PREVIEW › Downhill Finish in 1st ALPINE STAGE, Vingegaard to TAKE TIME?​

Weather

10 mph South West wind, 75-77° in the mountains, 85° at the start, possible rain with thunder

Stage Breakdown

INSANE opening 50 km with an uphill start into a Cat 3 mountain straight away, followed by two Cat 1 climbs back to back. 3rd hard stage in a row, and the first one fully in the Alps.

We start in Annemasse, the french suburb of Genève toward the ski station of Morzine, with an almost constant up and down we start almost directly uphill for a long drag till the first categorized climb at 18.5 km then it's a constant up and down until the foot of Col de la Ramaz, which is 13.9 km long at 6.9%. After the descent, the valley is mostly flat for 10 km, which could be the part that kills the stage and initiatives in the Ramaz. Then begins Col de Joux Plane, a climb (11.7 km at 8.5%) used often in the Tour de France. There is a flat section at the top of almost 3 km. with the very technical descent towards Morzine following. The finish line is at the bottom of the descent - this should be a cracker of a stage!

Predictions:

★★★ Breakaway

★★ Pogacar, Vingegaard

★

As usual in the mountains, the break should be strong, especially with that kind of start, so it could win depending on who is in it. Every climber outside of the top 10 should be looking to jump: Pinot, Bardet, Gall, Martin, Landa, Buchmann, Barguil, Woods, Van Gils. This stage could be the killer of the teammates of the two big leaders if it goes non stop (Tuesday and Thursday showed that it probably will go non stop) and while it may not matter tomorrow, it may on Sunday.

This is probably the best designed 4 GC stages in a row in a long time in the Tour!

 

[Sammy3469]

So apparently Pogocar went up two minutes faster than in 2020…basically they played it right, but Kwiakowski just had superhuman legs today

 

[BobbyLayne]

LRCP Stage 13 recap - When Pogačar tells you to go Full Gas

 

[BobbyLayne]

So apparently Pogocar went up two minutes faster than in 2020…basically they played it right, but Kwiakowski just had superhuman legs today

@ammattipyoraily
COL DU GRAND COLOMBIER | #TDF2023 (new record)

2012 | 49:27 | Pinot | TDF
2012 | 49:42 | PELOTON | TDF
2019 | 47:45 | Pinot | Ain
2020 | 48:25 | Roglic | Ain
2020 | 45:50 | Pogacar | TDF
2023 | 44:01 | Pogacar | TDF

 

[BobbyLayne]

vertical feet of climbing

1. 17,713 - Stage 17
2. 14,708 - Stage 15
3. 14,025 - Stage 14
4. 12,776 - Stage 6
5. 11,982 - Stage 5
6. 11,388 - Stage 20
7. 11,289 - Stage 9
8. 10,568 - Stage 1
9. 10,338 - Stage 10
10. 10,236 - Stage 12
11. 9,675 - Stage 2
12. 8,750 - Stage 3
13. 7,917 - Stage 13
14. 6,549 - Stage 8
15. 6,345 - Stage 19
16. 6,145 - Stage 11
17. 4,682 - Stage 4
18. 3,990 - Stage 18
19. 2,651 - Stage 7
20. 2,087 - Stage 16 (ITT)
21. 1,893 - Stage 21

 

[Sand]

20 years ago

Surprised that highlight wasn't wiped from the archieves.

That was awesome.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

20 years ago

Surprised that highlight wasn't wiped from the archieves.

That was awesome.

Not for Beloki.

 

[BobbyLayne]

20 years ago

Surprised that highlight wasn't wiped from the archieves.

That was awesome.

Not for Beloki.

well on his way to his 4th straight Tour podium - was never the same

now just the answer to an obscure trivia question

 

[BobbyLayne]

• The King of the Mountains (KOM) classification.
  
  

  RNK.	RIDER	POINTS	TEAM
  1	POWLESS Neilson	46	EF Education-EasyPost
  2	POGAČAR Tadej	31	UAE Team Emirates
  3	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	30	Uno-X Pro Cycling Team
  4	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	30	INEOS Grenadiers
  5	GALL Felix	28	AG2R Citroën Team
  6	VINGEGAARD Jonas	28	Jumbo-Visma
  7	HINDLEY Jai	25	BORA - hansgrohe
  8	GUERREIRO Ruben	24	Movistar Team
  9	CICCONE Giulio	22	Lidl - Trek
  10	WOODS Michael	20	Israel - Premier Tech
  11	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	18	INEOS Grenadiers
  12	SHAW James	18	EF Education-EasyPost
  13	LATOUR Pierre	16	TotalEnergies
  14	VAN AERT Wout	15	Jumbo-Visma
  15	JORGENSON Matteo	15	Movistar Team
  16	VAN GILS Maxim	15	Lotto Dstny
  17	BUCHMANN Emanuel	14	BORA - hansgrohe
  18	NEILANDS Krists	12	Israel - Premier Tech
  19	MOHORIČ Matej	12	Bahrain - Victorious
  20	VAN DER POEL Mathieu	9	Alpecin-Deceuninck

A total of 173 points are to be divided in the best climbers classification today. The maximum number of points a rider can score is 52 points.

#	CLIMB	POINTS
1	KOM Sprint (3) Col de Saxel (18.7 km)	2,1
2	KOM Sprint (1) Col de Cou (35.3 km)	10,8,6,4,2,1
3	KOM Sprint (1) Col du Feu (52.7 km)	10,8,6,4,2,1
4	KOM Sprint (1) Col de la Ramaz (101.6 km)	10,8,6,4,2,1
5	KOM Sprint (HC) Col de Joux Plane (139.8 km)	20,15,12,10,8,6,4,2

 

[BobbyLayne]

Col de Joux Plane - descent

very technical. there's about 3 km on the summit that is mostly flat and it seems pretty benign. starting around 5:00 it starts getting nerve wracking af. from the route map and this vid I'd say it doesn't exactly let up once you reach the village bc there are some wicked turns in the last couple kilometers.

as for the hors catégorie climb itself, this one seems kind of underrated IMO. it certainly seems less celebrated than some of the legendary mountain stages; yet every time it's used for TdF, the riders look back and say "that was the hardest stage." Lance lost almost 2 minutes to Jan Ulrich on this climb in 2000.

 

[BobbyLayne]

massive crash, several riders still down

peloton has been neutralized

 

[BobbyLayne]

someone from Movistar (possibly Ruben Guerreiro) on stretcher going into ambulance

Adrien Petit had a bloodied leg

Wilco Kelderman went down but appears OK

no GC or any of our Velogames riders from what I saw

Thibaut Pinot was involved but he rode away

edit: Daniel Martínez looks dazed

 

[BobbyLayne]

overhead of the crash corner

almost every team was involved, race has been stopped

good decision - had barely dropped the flag and nothing was happening yet

CORRECTION

not Guerreiro but rather a teammate

• PEDRERO Antonio (Movistar Team) abandoned the race.
• MEINTJES Louis (Intermarché - Circus - Wanty) has abandoned

Crash by 30 riders in peloton

• HINDLEY Jai (BORA - hansgrohe)
• LAENGEN Vegard Stake (UAE Team Emirates)
• COQUARD Bryan (Cofidis)
• KELDERMAN Wilco (Jumbo-Visma)
• PETIT Adrien (Intermarché - Circus - Wanty)
• PEDRERO Antonio (Movistar Team)
• MEINTJES Louis (Intermarché - Circus - Wanty)
• WRIGHT Fred (Bahrain - Victorious)
• FRISON Frederik (Lotto Dstny)
• CHAVES Esteban (EF Education-EasyPost)
• MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe (INEOS Grenadiers)
  
  and others....

EDIT 2: Jai stood there awhile but did ride off

Big issue - they need an ambulance following the Peloton; both just transported riders. They have additional medical cars the doctors ride in but apparently only have two ambulances, so might need to replace those before restarting.

 

[BassNBrew]

Col de Joux Plane - descent

very technical. there's about 3 km on the summit that is mostly flat and it seems pretty benign. starting around 5:00 it starts getting nerve wracking af. from the route map and this vid I'd say it doesn't exactly let up once you reach the village bc there are some wicked turns in the last couple kilometers.

as for the hors catégorie climb itself, this one seems kind of underrated IMO. it certainly seems less celebrated than some of the legendary mountain stages; yet every time it's used for TdF, the riders look back and say "that was the hardest stage." Lance lost almost 2 minutes to Jan Ulrich on this climb in 2000.

Someone is going to get hurt really bad today.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Col de Joux Plane - descent

very technical. there's about 3 km on the summit that is mostly flat and it seems pretty benign. starting around 5:00 it starts getting nerve wracking af. from the route map and this vid I'd say it doesn't exactly let up once you reach the village bc there are some wicked turns in the last couple kilometers.

as for the hors catégorie climb itself, this one seems kind of underrated IMO. it certainly seems less celebrated than some of the legendary mountain stages; yet every time it's used for TdF, the riders look back and say "that was the hardest stage." Lance lost almost 2 minutes to Jan Ulrich on this climb in 2000.

Someone is going to get hurt really bad today.

I hope not.

that descent road is narrow with no shoulder. not too many ravines from the video I posted above but it is super technical and I'm just hoping everyone makes it down.

they say Pierre Latour (TotalEnergies) pretty much has PTSD from descending rn. he's a climbing specialist and can barely get down, goes slower than anyone. poor guy....gotta be like getting the yips. although missing 3 footers doesn't present a danger to yourself and others.

 

[BobbyLayne]

and we're rolling again.....

 

[BobbyLayne]

presumably the first KOM points are wiped out now

only 3 available....from the PCS route tracker it looks like they're coming up to it now (or maybe past it)

another 170 KOM points on the last 4 climbs so NBD

PCS feed was wrong, we're still 8-9 km from the 1st KOM banner

 

[BobbyLayne]

Caleb Ewan left the Tour this Friday, before the ascent of the Grand Colombier. Stéphane Heulot, manager of the Lotto Dsnty team, had bet everything on the Australian sprinter and finds his behavior disrespectful.

"I've never seen that": Stéphane Heulot angry after the abandonment of Caleb Ewan​

Oh FFS

Stephane Heulot abandoned 6 of his 10 grand tours he entered when he was a rider 20-30 years ago.

I get it. First year as GM, they just got relegated this year, and that fat $2M contract through 2024 is not the thing a Pro team struggling for sponsors is keen to continue. But FRO with the drama, handle your business in house. What a ****ty leader.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Riders in common on the 11 teams:

• Pogačar 11
• Pidcock 5
• Alaphilippe 4
• Van Der Poel 4
• Vingegaard 4
• Kuss 3
• Perez 3
• Peters 3
• Philipsen 3
• Van Aert 2
• Bilbao 2
• Buchmann 2
• Carapaz 2
• Craddock 2
• Girmay 2
• Groenewegen 2
• Hindley 2
• Kirsch 2
• Laengen 2
• Naesen 2
• O’Conner 2
• Pedersen 2
• Van Gils 2
• Wright 2
• A.Yates 2
• S.Yates 2
• Aranburu
  Barguil
  Berthet
  Calmejane
  Campenaerts
  Chaves
  Ciccone
  Costa
  Gallopin
  Gaudu
  Haig
  Jakobsen
  Konrad
  Landa
  LaPorte
  Mas
  Mohorič
  Mørkøv
  Pinot
  Sagan
  Schultz
  Træen
  Turner
  Urán
  Welsford

placeholder - list of the Velogames riders

KOM on the Cat 3
marinez - 2
Alaphilippe - 1

170 more KOM Points up for grabs today, 10-10-10-20 for the first man over the Cat 1, Cat 1, Cat 1, & HC

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bardet (DSM) crash on the first descent

now standing up but he looks like he's done

 

[cheeseypoof]

Bardet appears down and out.

 

[BobbyLayne]

first breakaway group as they begin the 2nd climb of the day

Situation​

• 1
  
  
  

  1		24	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	1:17:54
  2		25	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	1:29:21
  3		38	VAN DEN BERG Lars	1:53:16
  4		46	POWLESS Neilson	1:43:26
  5		51	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	1:02:42
  6		62	LANDA Mikel	11:44
  7		67	MOHORIČ Matej	1:49:09
  8		77	POLITT Nils	1:54:32
  9		81	CICCONE Giulio	1:17:01
  10		86	PEDERSEN Mads	2:35:57
  11		103	GOGL Michael	2:55:11
  12		123	GESCHKE Simon	1:35:29
  13		133	ARANBURU Alex	1:48:10
  14		134	IZAGIRRE Gorka	53:58
  15		135	JORGENSON Matteo	1:19:28
  16		154	HOULE Hugo	1:44:03
  17		155	NEILANDS Krists	1:30:38
  18		162	CRADDOCK Lawson	2:26:15
  19		195	LUTSENKO Alexey	1:40:58
  20		207	WÆRENSKJOLD Søren	3:09:36

• Peloton
  
  +0:29

 

[BobbyLayne]

good half dozen excellent climbers in there, boy this day is just gonna blow the peloton apart

 

[BobbyLayne]

BARDET Romain (Team dsm - firmenich) abandoned the race.

3rd DNF of the day and we're barely 30 km in.

EDIT: actually 5 now

DNF SHAW James EF Education-EasyPost (involved Bardet crash)
DNF CHAVES Esteban EF Education-EasyPost. (in the original 30 rider crash at start of the day)

 

[BobbyLayne]

20 off the front (18 seconds)

TJV has 7 guys pacing in the front of the Peloton

Pogi already down to only Majka, Soler and Yates

 

[BobbyLayne]

Results of KOM Sprint (1) Col de Cou (35.3 km).
RNK. RIDER POINTS
1 CICCONE Giulio 10
2 POWLESS Neilson 8
3 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 6
4 PINOT Thibaut 4
5 MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe 2
6 LANDA Mikel 1

Virtual KOM classification.

RNK.			RIDER	POINTS	POINTS SCORED TODAY
1		-	POWLESS Neilson	54	8
2		▲7	CICCONE Giulio	32	10
3		▼1	POGAČAR Tadej	31	-
4		▼1	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	30	-
5		▼1	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	30	-

now on Col du Feu (Cat 1, 10 for the winner)

 

[BassNBrew]

Col de Joux Plane - descent

very technical. there's about 3 km on the summit that is mostly flat and it seems pretty benign. starting around 5:00 it starts getting nerve wracking af. from the route map and this vid I'd say it doesn't exactly let up once you reach the village bc there are some wicked turns in the last couple kilometers.

as for the hors catégorie climb itself, this one seems kind of underrated IMO. it certainly seems less celebrated than some of the legendary mountain stages; yet every time it's used for TdF, the riders look back and say "that was the hardest stage." Lance lost almost 2 minutes to Jan Ulrich on this climb in 2000.

Someone is going to get hurt really bad today.

I hope not.

that descent road is narrow with no shoulder. not too many ravines from the video I posted above but it is super technical and I'm just hoping everyone makes it down.

they say Pierre Latour (TotalEnergies) pretty much has PTSD from descending rn. he's a climbing specialist and can barely get down, goes slower than anyone. poor guy....gotta be like getting the yips. although missing 3 footers doesn't present a danger to yourself and others.

Horner was saying he should retire, no point racing.

I've mentioned this before but I can understand his stress. Watched a rider die in front of me on a decent in a mountain race and we weren't riding for paychecks or prizes. A second of bad judgement, poor road, or a mechanical and 30-70 years of life just vanishes.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well enjoy the race today guys. I have to work so I'll step away and watch later. Looking forward to your comments on today.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ciccone and Woods have opened up a bit

Situation​

• 1
  
  
  

  1		81	CICCONE Giulio	1:17:01
  2		151	WOODS Michael	59:17

• 2
  
  +0:24
  

  1		37	PINOT Thibaut	9:08
  2		62	LANDA Mikel	11:44
  3		133	ARANBURU Alex	1:48:10

• 3
  
  +1:03
  

  1		24	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	1:17:54
  2		46	POWLESS Neilson	1:43:26
  3		68	POELS Wout	1:13:59
  4		85	LÓPEZ Juan Pedro	1:43:59
  5		121	MARTIN Guillaume	10:46
  6		123	GESCHKE Simon	1:35:29
  7		134	IZAGIRRE Gorka	53:58
  8		154	HOULE Hugo	1:44:03
  9		155	NEILANDS Krists	1:30:38
  10		162	CRADDOCK Lawson	2:26:15
  11		195	LUTSENKO Alexey	1:40:58
  12		204	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	1:09:37

• 4
  
  +0:40
  

  1		25	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	1:29:21
  2		51	ALAPHILIPPE Julian	1:02:42
  3		77	POLITT Nils	1:54:32
  4		173	CHAMPOUSSIN Clément	1:42:26

• Peloton
  
  Woods sprints for the KOM looking strong

 

[BobbyLayne]

Virtual KOM classification.

RNK.			RIDER	POINTS	POINTS SCORED TODAY
1		-	POWLESS Neilson	54	8
2		▲7	CICCONE Giulio	42	20
3		▼1	POGAČAR Tadej	31	-
4		▼1	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	30	-
5		▼1	KWIATKOWSKI Michał	30	-
6		▼1	GALL Felix	28	-
7		▼1	VINGEGAARD Jonas	28	-
8		▲2	WOODS Michael	28	8
9		▼2	HINDLEY Jai	25	-
10		▼2	GUERREIRO Ruben	24	-

Results of KOM Sprint (1) Col du Feu (52.7 km).

RNK.	RIDER	POINTS
1	CICCONE Giulio	10
2	WOODS Michael	8
3	LANDA Mikel	6
4	PINOT Thibaut	4
5	POELS Wout	2
6	ARANBURU Alex	1

 

[BobbyLayne]

Powless dropped

TJV keeping a short leash today

Situation​

• 1
  
  
  

  1		25	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	1:29:21
  2		37	PINOT Thibaut	9:08
  3		62	LANDA Mikel	11:44
  4		68	POELS Wout	1:13:59
  5		81	CICCONE Giulio	1:17:01
  6		121	MARTIN Guillaume	10:46
  7		133	ARANBURU Alex	1:48:10
  8		134	IZAGIRRE Gorka	53:58
  9		151	WOODS Michael	59:17
  10		154	HOULE Hugo	1:44:03
  11		195	LUTSENKO Alexey	1:40:58
  12		204	JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland	1:09:37

• Peloton
  
  +0:20

 

[Senor Schmutzig]

FU Xfinity.

 

[BobbyLayne]

SINKELDAM Ramon (Alpecin-Deceuninck) abandoned the race.

down 6 riders this stage

 

[BobbyLayne]

Col de la Ramaz profile

black section is the steepest 11.5%, comes after 10 km

(overall it's 14.9 km @ 6.9% average gradient)

 

[BobbyLayne]

Rodriguez (INEOS) dropped from the peloton - Kwiatkowski drops back to drag him up

Woods (Houle) and Landa (Poels) the only climbers with a tug buddy up with them

Situation​

• 1
  
  
  

  1		81	CICCONE Giulio	1:17:01
  2		151	WOODS Michael	59:17

• 2
  
  +0:12
  

  1		25	MARTÍNEZ Daniel Felipe	1:29:21
  2		37	PINOT Thibaut	9:08
  3		62	LANDA Mikel	11:44
  4		68	POELS Wout	1:13:59
  5		121	MARTIN Guillaume	10:46
  6		133	ARANBURU Alex	1:48:10
  7		154	HOULE Hugo	1:44:03
  8		195	LUTSENKO Alexey	1:40:58

• Peloton
  
  +0:32

 

[BobbyLayne]

Barguil dropped, that's a surprise - Gaudau out the back with several others

LaPorte with a massive pull to bridge the peloton across to Group 1

Van Hooydonck takes over pacing for a short pull

Benoot pacing - they TJV have six riders at the head, in complete control

Ciccone accelerates away from Woods - he's cracked

Peloton only 0:10 back

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ciccone dropped, shares a laugh with Pogi as he gets passed

PIdcock, Jonas with 5 Jumbo riders, Pogi with 3 UAE



Bernal and Haig out the back