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***Official 2023 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The Vuelta will be a Primoz, Vigo, G, Remco mosh pit (2 Viewers)

congrats cheesey - Craddock 🇺🇸 with a fantastic result, and Pinot climbing great

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Vingegaard
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Pogačar
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Alaphilippe
50 pts
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Kuss
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Groenewegen
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Craddock
148 pts
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Kirsch
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Gallopin
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Pinot
122 pts
 
@cheeseypoof has moved up from 9th to 4th in the last few days, great to see

pretty tight at the top, who knows what Week 3 will bring

I missed the Stage today but saw Tweets & highlights. Any fan who takes out GC Kuss should have a lifetime ban at all European sporting events. Get Interpol involved. Does France still have guillotines?

Pogi said after the race he knew he couldn't drop Vingegaard. So much respect between them (and between TJV and UAE.) Their fans are toxic af to each other online, but the riders are great to each other.

This has to rank with 1964 & 1989 as the best Tour de France of all time, irrespective of what happens over the last 6 stages. It's like watching great artists and realizing how lucky you are to see this with your own eyes. Well, at least I'll. be able to say that later (or tomorrow) when I get around to watching Stage 15. Yesterday might have been the best Stage I have ever seen. No idea who pulls it off, they are VERY evenly matched.

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Big points from a $4 unclassed American rider. Looks like my Vingegaard/Pogacar duo is starting to pay dividends. Was looking like a not so great strategy at first. We'll see how it ends up. They should both get good bonus points at the end.

I've gone from picking guys I've heard of before, and riders I like, to actually trying to put some thought into it. Seems to be working. LOL
 
cheeseypoof said:
I've gone from picking guys I've heard of before, and riders I like, to actually trying to put some thought into it. Seems to be working. LOL
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same same

I love soaking up knowledge + history on anything that interests me; I've enjoyed cycling since LeMond came on the scene. But I've def made an effort to understand tactics & roles more in depth, along with simply getting to know the entire peloton better. There's a lot of good pro cycling analysis channels on YT that have taught me a lot.

Also, shout out to r/peloton. They have multiple threads (pre-, race, post-) on every pro cycling event, mens and womens. Like anything on Reddit you have to filter out some garbage but there are very knowledgeable fans there. They have a Weekly Question Thread on Fridays which is a safe place for noobs to ask dumb questions.
 
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TT head-to-head​

Tadej Pogačar vs. Jonas Vingegaard​

Same race results in time trials​

Individual time trials where both riders started.

#DateRaceTadej PogačarJonas VingegaardProfileDistance
12023-03-07Paris - Nice | Stage 3 (TTT)51flatf32.2
22022-07-23Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)32uphill40.7
32022-07-01Tour de France | Stage 1 (ITT)37flat13.2
42022-03-07Tirreno-Adriatico | Stage 1 (ITT)327flat13.9
52021-07-17Tour de France | Stage 20 (ITT)83flat30.8
62021-06-30Tour de France | Stage 5 (ITT)13flat27.2
72021-04-05Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 1 (ITT)53uphill13.89
82021-02-22UAE Tour | Stage 2 (ITT)413flat13
92019-04-08Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 1 (ITT)1843mountain11.3
102018-08-20Tour de l'Avenir | Stage 4 (TTT)81flat20.2
112018-05-31Grand Prix Priessnitz spa | Prologue1469flat2
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Tuesday's ITT is 22.4 km - the fewest km devoted to time trials In a TdF this century.

The number of Time Trial kms in Tour de France per edition.

SEASONTT KILOMETRES% OF TOTAL
2023
22.4		0.7
2022
53.9		1.6
2021
58.0		1.7
2020
36.2		1.0
2019
54.8		1.6
2018
66.5		2.0
2017
36.5		1.0
2016
54.5		1.5
2015
41.8		1.2
2014
54.0		1.5
2013
90.0		2.7
2012
101.4		2.9
2011
65.5		1.9
2010
60.9		1.7
2009
95.0		2.7
2008
82.5		2.3
2007
117.4		3.3
2006
116.1		3.2
2005
141.5		4.0
2004
141.1		4.2

The Stage has an uphill finish, a Category 2 climb up the Côte de Domancy, with 794 vertical meters of climbing,

The final segment is 2.8 km at an average gradient of 8.5%.

By 500 m increments:
  • 0-0.5 km - 4.4%
  • 0.5-1.0 km - 6.1%
  • 1.0-1.5 km - 10.2%
  • 1.5-2.0 km - 10.8%
  • 2.0-2.5 km - 11.0%
  • 2.5-2.8 km - 8.4%
 
Per British oddsmakers, Vino now slightly favored to win: 53-47.

That's taking the rest of the field out of the odds entirely and removing the vig.
 
It seems only fitting if Tadej wins tomorrows stage by either 9 or 11 seconds. I’ll go 11 since I’m tired of the bee train.
 
Sammy3469 said:
It seems only fitting if Tadej wins tomorrows stage by either 9 or 11 seconds. I’ll go 11 since I’m tired of the bee train.
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Don't think it would matter. If Tadej is in first there's no need for UAE to control the peleton.
 
Reporter: Did you learn anything on the climb, that you can pass on to Ciccone, so he can get the points for the KOM jersey?

Mads P: That would be like him telling me how to do a sprint.
 
no bike change for jonas - TT bike is on the outside right of the team car (Tadej has a road bike in the first slot of the UAE team car)
 
Good lord.

Vingegaard 16 seconds ahead of Pogacar at the 1st check. And 42 seconds better than 3rd place.

Those two can't possibly keep that up to the end, right? Have both gone out too hard?
 
Just unbelievable theater.

Vingegaard 31 seconds ahead at the 2nd check. With the bike changes, Pogacar roughly 42 seconds back on the stage. 52 back overall.
 
Jonas climbing faster and Tadej gave up 12 seconds for the bike change (which is super fast for a switch but he's losing time)
 
Legendary ride. Takes 98 seconds off Pogacar at the line -- and Pogacar caught the rider in front of him.

Vingegaard took almost 3 minutes out of WvA in third place.
 
Preliminary top-5 at finish.

#RIDERTIMEBEHINDKM/H
1VINGEGAARD Jonas32.260.0041.439
2POGAČAR Tadej34.141.4839.260
3VAN AERT Wout35.273.0137.913
4BILBAO Pello35.313.0537.841
5YATES Simon35.343.0837.788
6CAVAGNA Rémi35.423.1637.647
7YATES Adam35.483.2237.542
8SKJELMOSE Mattias35.563.3037.403
9PEDERSEN Mads36.063.4037.230
10GAUDU David36.073.4137.213
11CASTROVIEJO Jonathan36.113.4537.144
12RODRÍGUEZ Carlos36.123.4637.127
13KUSS Sepp36.163.5037.059
14GALL Felix36.163.5037.059
15ASGREEN Kasper36.173.5137.042
16LUTSENKO Alexey36.314.0536.805
17LATOUR Pierre36.334.0736.772
18KÜNG Stefan36.344.0836.755
19WRIGHT Fred36.354.0936.738
20COSTA Rui36.384.1236.688
 
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Pogačar
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Bilbao
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Chaves
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Yates
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Girmay
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Pidcock
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Perez
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Van Aert
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Highest tops in this Tour de France .

#CLIMBTOP (MTR)STAGE
1Col de la Loze2300Stage 17
2Col du Tourmalet2112Stage 6
3Cormet de Roselend1971Stage 17
4Col de Joux Plane1690Stage 14
5Col des Saisies1643Stage 17
6Col de la Ramaz1612Stage 14
7Col de Soudet1518Stage 5
8Grand Colombier1494Stage 13
9Col d'Aspin1485Stage 6
10Col des Aravis1483Stage 15
11Col de la Croix Fry1463Stage 15
12Col de la Croix Saint-Robert1445Stage 10
13Puy de Dôme1410Stage 9
14Saint-Gervais Mont-Blanc1379Stage 15
15Cauterets-Cambrasque1353Stage 6
16Col de Guéry1262Stage 10
17Col du Platzerwasel1179Stage 20
18Ballon d'Alsace1172Stage 20
19Côte de Longefoy1164Stage 17
20Petit Ballon1157Stage 20
 
Longest climbs in this Tour de France .

#CLIMBKM%STAGE
1Col de la Loze28.36Stage 17
2Cormet de Roselend19.86.1Stage 17
3Grand Colombier17.87Stage 13
4Col du Tourmalet177.4Stage 6
5Cauterets-Cambrasque16.25.3Stage 6
6Col de Soudet15.27Stage 5
7Col de la Ramaz13.96.9Stage 14
8Col des Saisies13.55.2Stage 17
9Puy de Dôme12.67.8Stage 9
10Col d'Aspin126.6Stage 6
11Col de Joux Plane11.78.5Stage 14
12Ballon d'Alsace11.55.3Stage 20
13Col de la Croix Fry11.47.1Stage 15
14Petit Ballon9.38.1Stage 20
15Jaizkibel8.15.3Stage 2
16Col de Guéry7.94.8Stage 10
17Col de Marie Blanque7.88.5Stage 5
18Saint-Gervais Mont-Blanc7.77Stage 15
19Col de la Forclaz de Montmin7.27.3Stage 15
20Col du Platzerwasel7.18.3Stage 20
21Col de Cou7.17.4Stage 14
22Côte de Longefoy6.77.5Stage 17
23Côte de la Chapelle-Marcousse6.65.5Stage 10
24Col de la Croix Saint-Robert66.4Stage 10
25Col du Feu5.97.7Stage 14
 
Stages with the most vertical meters in Tour de France since 2015.

#YEARSTAGEVERT. METERSWINNER
1202317 | Saint-Gervais Mont-Blanc - Courchevel5399
2201812 | Bourg-Saint-Maurice Les Arcs - Alpe d'Huez5362THOMAS
3201918 | Embrun - Valloire5215QUINTANA
4202018 | Méribel - La Roche-sur-Foron5166KWIATKOWSKI
5201717 | La Mure - Serre-Chevalier5064ROGLIČ
6201819 | Lourdes - Laruns5046ROGLIČ
720169 | Vielha val d'Aran - Andorra Arcalis4948DUMOULIN
8201512 | Lannemezan - Plateau de Beille4948RODRÍGUEZ
9201712 | Pau - Peyragudes4903BARDET
1020179 | Nantua - Chambéry4696URÁN
11202111 | Sorgues - Malaucène4671VAN AERT
12202212 | Briançon - L'Alpe d'Huez4660PIDCOCK
1320219 | Cluses - Tignes4628O'CONNOR
1420168 | Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon4597FROOME
15202115 | Céret - Andorra la Vella4572KUSS
16201519 | Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne - La Toussuire - Les Sybelles4545NIBALI
17202315 | Les Gets les Portes du Soleil - Saint-Gervais Mont-Blanc4483POELS
18202013 | Châtel-Guyon - Pas de Peyrol (Le Puy Mary)4459MARTÍNEZ
19201619 | Albertville - Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc4436BARDET
20202017 | Grenoble - Méribel - Col de la Loze4430LÓPEZ
 
 
Stage 17 Saint Gervais Mont-Blanc > Courchevel

Weather

20°C, no wind, likely rain

Stage Breakdown

The Queen stage - the hardest stage of the 2023 TdF. Classic start from Saint Gervais then through Megève to go to the Col des Saisies, a combination used in a lot of races in the area, then the Cormet de Roselend, one of the most used climbs in the Tour recently. Then a long descent towards the Côte the Longefoy, which is harder than it seems. Finally the monster, the Col de la Loze, with the first part traditionally used towards Méribel, and then the newer road, so far used once in the Tour, and once in the Tour de l'Avenir. It was here in 2020 which Miguel Angel Lopez (now exiled in South America due to doping accusations) won. That 2020 Stage was chaos, with riders arriving one by one. This time we have the descent towards Courchevel right after.

Predictions:

★★★ Vingegaard, Pogacar

★★ one of the top 10 from the break

★ any other climber not completely dead from the insane rhythm of this race

Everybody will try to go for the break, 3rd place is at almost 9 minutes and that's Pogacar teammate, so everybody else is not a threat. It would be stupid for either JUmbo or UAE to try to control what will be one mess of a stage, but it's not like we have seen the smartest strategies from both teams. More importantly, Pogacar needs to make up almost 2 minutes, he won't risk playing just stage 20 and the final climb tomorrow. Seeing him go in the Saisies is likely what will happen, the smarter move might be be to drill it on the Cormet de Roselend and attack over the top with some teammates in front. Anyway, it should be one for the ages be it from the break or one of the two superstars

Stage 17 preview
 
Oddsmakers: Vingegaard 89-11 Pogacar to win.

Pulling for Vingegaard all the way, so won't stop here, but I'm hoping for some fireworks and more drama tomorrow. Let's finish this GOAT contender off with a bang.
 
where Vingegaard gained time on Pogačar

Jonas almost two seconds after the first corner by going in with more speed and hitting the apex

consistently took a more aggressive line, was pedaling hard in sections Pogi was coasting in the aero tuck

linked video doesn't cover it but another podcast went over how much faster on the descent Jonas was

bike change took 12 seconds from stopping to handoff, but there's also slow down time, how long it took to get back up to full speed, all for a climb that was 2.8 km?

IDK where the switch was, from the 2nd time split (3.5 km left) Vingegaard gained another 43 seconds - figure close to 30 seconds of that was the bike change?

in the KOM (last 2.8 km) they didn't release times but Jonas was 2nd - top 3 all used the same bike (Ciccone did switch BUT it was before the 2nd split so he was full gas by the base)

it was a great ride - two great rides, actually - but far from over

tomorrow should be fun
 
Just caught up on today's events.

Something smells fishy. 10% time difference between 1st and 3rd thru 10th.

25.6 mph to 23 mph. That's 348 watts to 261 watts on a flat course. Taking grade into account, Vingegarrd rode at 466 watts and the 3rd thru 10th guys were around 367 watts. I'm sorry, I don't by someone being 27% stronger than most of his closest rivals.
 
How would the general classification look considering only mountain stages?

#GC+/-RIDERTIMELAG
11-VINGEGAARD Jonas24:57:22
22-POGAČAR Tadej2:06
34▲1RODRÍGUEZ Carlos8:46
43▼1YATES Adam8:51
55-HINDLEY Jai11:10
66-KUSS Sepp11:14
710▲3GALL Felix12:44
88-YATES Simon12:52
97▼2BILBAO Pello15:25
109▼1GAUDU David17:15
1111-MARTIN Guillaume21:15
1212-PIDCOCK Thomas21:48
1313-PINOT Thibaut25:14
1414-LANDA Mikel27:08
1516▲1CASTROVIEJO Jonathan32:40
1615▼1BUCHMANN Emanuel36:40
1718▲1HARPER Chris40:43
1817▼1MAJKA Rafał44:30
1919-KELDERMAN Wilco55:23
2023▲3VAN AERT Wout1:00:00
 
Ciccone takes control of the KOM. 1st in yesterday's ITT, 1st over each of the first two climbs today.

The King of the Mountains classification of today so far.

#RIDERPOINTS
1CICCONE Giulio20
2SKJELMOSE Mattias16
3GALL Felix10
4HAIG Jack6
5YATES Simon4
6O'CONNOR Ben2
7CRADDOCK Lawson2
8HARPER Chris1
9PETERS Nans1

Virtual KOM classification.

RNK.RIDERPOINTSPOINTS SCORED TODAY
1-CICCONE Giulio8320
2-POWLESS Neilson58-
3-VINGEGAARD Jonas57-
4-POGAČAR Tadej49-
5-VAN AERT Wout47-
6-GALL Felix4210
7-HINDLEY Jai31-
8-JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland30-
9-KWIATKOWSKI Michał30-
10-WOODS Michael28-
 
Pogačar crashed earlier today going about 20 kph (nearly took out Jonas), landed on his left side but seems OK

should be a good Velogames result for folks who had a rider in the breakaway
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Virtual general classification at this moment.

#RIDER+-TIMELAGBONIS
1VINGEGAARD Jonas-63:09:53-
2POGAČAR Tadej-1:48-
3YATES Adam-8:52-
4RODRÍGUEZ Carlos-8:57-
5BILBAO Pello▲210:06-
6YATES Simon▲210:46-
7HINDLEY Jai▼211:15-
8KUSS Sepp▼212:56-
9GAUDU David-14:38-
10GALL Felix-15:19-
11MARTIN Guillaume-16:56-
12PINOT Thibaut▲122:21-
13PIDCOCK Thomas▼122:32-
14LANDA Mikel-28:18-
15BUCHMANN Emanuel-37:24-
16CASTROVIEJO Jonathan-37:57-
17MAJKA Rafał-50:22-
18HARPER Chris-50:31-
19KELDERMAN Wilco-58:43-
20MADOUAS Valentin-1:03:08-
 
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