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[Zow]

I'm not trying to be argumentative here but

Tour preferred X are not lethal tour by TM, they don't make a lethal tour

2 completely different balls.

Chrome soft and truvis are the same ball.  They call the soccer pattern Truvis.

Prov TM tour preferred B330S all pretty equal

For cold weather a Callaway super soft is great minus putting

Right on TM lethal and tour preferred being two different balls. I typed that out wrong. 

I don't think I've said that the chrome soft and the chrome soft truvis are separate balls, though. Or at least if I did I didn't mean to. 

Good call on the super soft though. Those balls and the Bridgestone e6 are a common cheaper purchase made by my playing partners and they swear by them (both flight the ball much lower and hit cuts). 

 

[gump]

Assume we'll need a new thread, but I believe the first big apparel-only deal has been inked...Jason Day to Nike:

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[belljr]

Got 2 new vokeys for Christmas!!

 

[Apple Jack]

I bought a box of those when they came out. I found those decent but a bit underwhelming for the hype.  

I rate golf balls in three tiers: 

1. Pro V1/Pro V1x - too expensive to play regularly, but nothing compares. The best ball out there by far. 

2.  Top other brand balls that are around 35 dollars/dozen, in this particular order: Vice, Srixon Z Star, Taylor Made Lethal Tour Preferred, Callaway Chrome Soft, Bridgestone BB330 series. 

3. Cheaper but decent balls (around 20-25 per box): Srixon Trispeed or Q Star, Taylor Made Lethal, Titleist Velocity, Callaway Diablo. 

I'll usually have a box of some low spin, cheap ball to use off the tee for scrambles (Callaway Hex Hot/Power, Precept Laddie), but wouldn't consider that regularly for play. 

You keep saying this and it is simply not true. Talk to anybody with access to testing data.

Chrome Soft might be the biggest POS Callaway has ever made. A comically bad attempt to make the Bridgestone 330-RX. People who want a ball that checks but has low driver sidespin. But that core is dead (the newest one is a little better). Especially enjoyed Callaway and Phil telling people that he was playing that ball. People will fall for anything. Not unlike all the Prov1 suckers out there. Titleist doesn't hold a single patent in ball technology. Not one. They have done nothing to the ball in three generations other than call it "new." The ball in the hands of anybody but professional and low single digit ball strikers is made to go sideways. The core is way too hard for you. But they like that you blame yourself and come running back to the counter to give them another $50 for a dozen. And there are rumors are going around that they will be out of the club market within a couple years.

 

[mr roboto]

You keep saying this and it is simply not true. Talk to anybody with access to testing data.

Chrome Soft might be the biggest POS Callaway has ever made. A comically bad attempt to make the Bridgestone 330-RX. People who want a ball that checks but has low driver sidespin. But that core is dead (though the newest one is a little better). Especially enjoyed Callaway and Phil telling people that he was playing that ball. People will fall for anything. Not unlike all the Prov1 suckers out there. Titleist doesn't hold a single patent in ball technology. Not one. They have done nothing to the ball in three generations other than call it "new." The ball in the hands of anybody but professional and low single digit ball strikers is made to go sideways. The core is way too hard for you. But they like that you blame yourself and come running back to the counter to give them another $50 for a dozen. Also, rumors are they will be out of the club market within a couple years.

So you gonna tell us what the best ball is then?

 

[Zow]

You keep saying this and it is simply not true. Talk to anybody with access to testing data.

Chrome Soft might be the biggest POS Callaway has ever made. A comically bad attempt to make the Bridgestone 330-RX. People who want a ball that checks but has low driver sidespin. But that core is dead (the newest one is a little better). Especially enjoyed Callaway and Phil telling people that he was playing that ball. People will fall for anything. Not unlike all the Prov1 suckers out there. Titleist doesn't hold a single patent in ball technology. Not one. They have done nothing to the ball in three generations other than call it "new." The ball in the hands of anybody but professional and low single digit ball strikers is made to go sideways. The core is way too hard for you. But they like that you blame yourself and come running back to the counter to give them another $50 for a dozen. And there are rumors are going around that they will be out of the club market within a couple years.

So what's the best ball then? 

 

[Apple Jack]

So you gonna tell us what the best ball is then?

It depends on each person's launch numbers and what they want around the green. There really is no one size fits all answer.

 

[TLEF316]

I hope I get to the point where the ball I play actually matters.

 

[Zow]

It depends on each person's launch numbers and what they want around the green. There really is no one size fits all answer.

Okay. Well none of us are pros here. What do you suggest for ten handicap  looking for decent spin around the greens, a soft ball for putting, and decent ball striking with a steep launch angle and high ball flight?

 

[Zow]

I hope I get to the point where the ball I play actually matters.

That gets fun. 

 

[Johnny Bing]

Okay. Well none of us are pros here. What do you suggest for ten handicap  looking for decent spin around the greens, a soft ball for putting, and decent ball striking with a steep launch angle and high ball flight?

Bridgestone has a pretty cool tool where you punch in your data and they select the best ball based on your game.  Some of the data you might not have but I'd guess most of it you should have a good idea. 

https://www.bridgestonegolf.com/ball-fitting/launch-monitor-data

 

[Zow]

Bridgestone has a pretty cool tool where you punch in your data and they select the best ball based on your game.  Some of the data you might not have but I'd guess most of it you should have a good idea. 

https://www.bridgestonegolf.com/ball-fitting/launch-monitor-data

That's pretty cool. I just don't like the Bridgestone balls for some reason. 

 

[belljr]

Bridgestone has a pretty cool tool where you punch in your data and they select the best ball based on your game.  Some of the data you might not have but I'd guess most of it you should have a good idea. 

https://www.bridgestonegolf.com/ball-fitting/launch-monitor-data

Yeah Bridgestone was at my course doing a ball testing.

You hit a few swings with your ball and they compare it to a Bridgestone Ball.

They actually said my preferred ball is good for my swing and gave me an equivlaent to use

 

[lod001]

So what's the best ball then? 

For me it's the Bridgestone E 7+ but I can't find those. I actually bought a dozen Bridgestone E7s. I hit them farther than any other ball. I hit the ball really high so this ball stays low and I dialed my driver down to 7 degrees.

I hope I get to the point where the ball I play actually matters.

 I suck and the ball makes a difference as far as distance.

 

[Apple Jack]

Okay. Well none of us are pros here. What do you suggest for ten handicap  looking for decent spin around the greens, a soft ball for putting, and decent ball striking with a steep launch angle and high ball flight?

There isn't a ball that is going to do much for a steep downswing. That's just something you need to correct. Though something that compresses more is going to be marginally better than something you are not compressing. You are most likely barely putting a dent in the ProV, which means it is rolling up the face, drastically increasing backspin and costing you a lot of distance. Steep results in an inefficient energy transfer. You want that energy going down range, not up the face. The cleanest energy transfer with driver happens with impact occurring on the upswing. You are doing the opposite of that.

The answer to your question is the 330RX. For starters, a urethane cover combined with a soft core makes it feel very soft putting; the softest you will find. I find it spins well on full swing shots but I like even more that it doesn't over spin, specifically around the green. If you like something that really grabs on the second and third hops when chipping, then you would want the RXS. Personally, I like the ball to release a bit more. But the thing that sets the RX apart from other urethane cover balls is how many more fairways you will hit. If you swing hard, you'll likely give up a few yards on best swing to best swing comparison with Prov1 (maybe 3-6 yards, not much), but you will absolutely without question average longer and hit a lot more fairways. Track it. I guarantee it. The feel takes a little getting used to as you are used to playing a hard ball that you are not fully compressing. The RX core is softer, so you will compress it more fully, more frequently, which is only going to be a good thing. The bottom line is that the RX protects you from your misses better than any other urethane covered ball made. A lot more. Bridgestone's "best ball ever" campaign came about because R&D met with marketing and said to them, "this is the best golf ball ever made." The campaign is for all four 330 balls, all of which test well, but the RX is the one that really separates itself from the competition for most players. Truly a game-changing ball.

I would discourage anybody from playing the e7. It's a rock and doesn't do anybody any favors. It's good for long-drive competitions and that's about it. They also stopped making it, which is probably why you can't find it.

 

[Zow]

There isn't a ball that is going to do much for a steep downswing. That's just something you need to correct. Though something that compresses more is going to be marginally better than something you are not compressing. You are most likely barely putting a dent in the ProV, which means it is rolling up the face, drastically increasing backspin and costing you a lot of distance. Steep results in an inefficient energy transfer. You want that energy going down range, not up the face. The cleanest energy transfer with driver happens with impact occurring on the upswing. You are doing the opposite of that.

The answer to your question is the 330RX. For starters, a urethane cover combined with a soft core makes it feel very soft putting; the softest you will find. I find it spins well on full swing shots but I like even more that it doesn't over spin, specifically around the green. If you like something that really grabs on the second and third hops when chipping, then you would want the RXS. Personally, I like the ball to release a bit more. But the thing that sets the RX apart from other urethane cover balls is how many more fairways you will hit. If you swing hard, you'll likely give up a few yards on best swing to best swing comparison with Prov1 (maybe 3-6 yards, not much), but you will absolutely without question average longer and hit a lot more fairways. Track it. I guarantee it. The feel takes a little getting used to as you are used to playing a hard ball that you are not fully compressing. The RX core is softer, so you will compress it more fully, more frequently, which is only going to be a good thing. The bottom line is that the RX protects you from your misses better than any other urethane covered ball made. A lot more. Bridgestone's "best ball ever" campaign came about because R&D met with marketing and said to them, "this is the best golf ball ever made." The campaign is for all four 330 balls, all of which test well, but the RX is the one that really separates itself from the competition for most players. Truly a game-changing ball.

I would discourage anybody from playing the e7. It's a rock and doesn't do anybody any favors. It's good for long-drive competitions and that's about it. They also stopped making it, which is probably why you can't find it.

Well, I do have a box of the 330RX and a big tournament coming up so...

 

[belljr]

I'm a 330S - but getting up there in years may switch over soon.

 

[Hooper31]

The answer to your question is the 330RX. For starters, a urethane cover combined with a soft core makes it feel very soft putting; the softest you will find.

If you're looking for a soft feel I don't think you can beat the Wilson Staff urethane balls. 50-50 Elite, Duo, and Zip. I probably lose distance off the tee, but just love the feel of these around and on the greens. 

 

[TLEF316]

Anyone have any thoughts on driver shaft length? 

My brother and I have beenough going back and forth on this for a couple of days.

I'm 5'11 and not a very good golfer (hovering just over 100 at this point). 2015 was the first year of my most recent attempt at golfing and I didn't even try to hit driver. Hit 5 wood off the tee on driver holes. Tried to start hitting it this year with varying degrees of relative success. Playing a callaway driver from 7 years ago that was custom made for my dad ( he's around 6'2). The shaft is 43 inches, which puts the total club legnth at around 46.

Generating club head speed isn't my problem. The problem is consistent contact and control. I am planning to get fit for my own driver at some point this winter and I'm kinda thinking I should opt for a shorter shaft. I'm never going to be hitting it 300 yards anyway,  so it seems like going with a shorter shaft would help me keep them in the fairway. I read somewhere that even in his prime, tiger was hitting a 43.5 inch driver (total club length, not just shaft)

My brother is 6'3, a much better (typically shoots in the mid 80's) golfer and hits the ball a freaking mile.  But his driving is a disaster. Got custom fit a couple of years ago but never even takes it out of the bag. Now, he hits his 5 wood further than most hit the big stick, but he's thinking of doing the same thing.

Are we going about this the wrong way? Anyone here play a shorter shaft? Has it helped with your consistency?  

 

[Phil Elliott]

Anyone have any thoughts on driver shaft length? 

My brother and I have beenough going back and forth on this for a couple of days.

I'm 5'11 and not a very good golfer (hovering just over 100 at this point). 2015 was the first year of my most recent attempt at golfing and I didn't even try to hit driver. Hit 5 wood off the tee on driver holes. Tried to start hitting it this year with varying degrees of relative success. Playing a callaway driver from 7 years ago that was custom made for my dad ( he's around 6'2). The shaft is 43 inches, which puts the total club legnth at around 46.

Generating club head speed isn't my problem. The problem is consistent contact and control. I am planning to get fit for my own driver at some point this winter and I'm kinda thinking I should opt for a shorter shaft. I'm never going to be hitting it 300 yards anyway,  so it seems like going with a shorter shaft would help me keep them in the fairway. I read somewhere that even in his prime, tiger was hitting a 43.5 inch driver (total club length, not just shaft)

My brother is 6'3, a much better (typically shoots in the mid 80's) golfer and hits the ball a freaking mile.  But his driving is a disaster. Got custom fit a couple of years ago but never even takes it out of the bag. Now, he hits his 5 wood further than most hit the big stick, but he's thinking of doing the same thing.

Are we going about this the wrong way? Anyone here play a shorter shaft? Has it helped with your consistency?  

Shorter shaft should result in straighter shot and actually add distance because you make better contact with the ball.

 

[Zow]

 Anyone here play a shorter shaft? Has it helped with your consistency?  

I personally play a stock shaft (I'm the same height as you) but I have a couple of buddies who are over 6' that play a cut down shaft for their woods.  They also add weight.  Idea here is that it keeps the swing much more controlled.  Both are incredibly accurate (probably hitting 60%-70% fairways on an average rate course) and it seems to work for them.  I hit it about 20 yards or so by them but this doesn't mean much when I'm desperately looking for my ball a couple times a round because I got wild through my lengthier swing. 

Some pros do it.  DJ's is cut probably short for how tall and athletic he is. Jimmy Walker just did it. 

 

[Zow]

Feeling so much better with my game the past 6 months.  Last two rounds have been 83s.  Played the same ball both rounds, didn't double bogey anything, "bad" drives were still easily findable and playable, and just never felt like I was going to lose it as any point.  I'm actually playing and practicing less than when I was struggling. I'm not trying to do too much or pressing but I'm also not second guessing myself, either.  Golf is so much more fun that way.  

Playing in my brother-in-law's member guest next week.  Three day event.  Was super nervous about it last year but now I'm just excited.  

 

[TLEF316]

Shorter shaft should result in straighter shot and actually add distance because you make better contact with the ball.

Yeah that's sort of what we're thinking with this. 

 

[encaitar]

Tiger played with a 43.5 inch shaft for awhile, not total club length.  For comparison's sake, a 3 wood has a 42-43 inch shaft depending on model.  If you went with a 43.5 inch total club length, your driver would be shorter than your fairway woods.  

As for how much it will help, it depends.  Consistently hit the center of the club and shaft length won't make much difference in your hitting the fairway or not(distance is another issue).  That is usually about having a repeatable routine and swing.  It does get tougher when you get longer clubs, but you would have to practice just as much with a shorter shaft as you do now(and even more to begin with) in order to accomplish it.  However, if you feel more confident with the shorter club in you hands it probably will help, as confidence is one of the most overlooked important aspects of a golf swing.

 

[mr roboto]

https://youtu.be/_RX9TR1wT_A

Cant play for at least 2 months so you've gotta get your cuts in while you can. 

 

[Judge Smails]

Getting really frustrated with back issues.  I workout and stretch.  Foam rollers.  Bands for hamstrings, etc.  Lately it's not lower back, it's tightness in the middle right.  Like back of rib cage.  Will get very tight and hurts to even turn.  I'll even feel it following through on a short putt.  Massage/PT and some ice with rest will cure it, but it's a week or two.  Anybody have golf specific exercises that can help?

 

[gump]

Getting really frustrated with back issues.  I workout and stretch.  Foam rollers.  Bands for hamstrings, etc.  Lately it's not lower back, it's tightness in the middle right.  Like back of rib cage.  Will get very tight and hurts to even turn.  I'll even feel it following through on a short putt.  Massage/PT and some ice with rest will cure it, but it's a week or two.  Anybody have golf specific exercises that can help?

A Chiropractor is a must IMO.  Being 'aligned' cures so many issues.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

https://youtu.be/_RX9TR1wT_A

Cant play for at least 2 months so you've gotta get your cuts in while you can. 




 

Pretty good swing onya there roboto.

 

[mr roboto]

Pretty good swing onya there roboto.

Tough to clear through when wearing boots standing on ice. 

 

[ydoc]

so 2 months after my car wreck and i am cleared to start chipping and putting....problem is i have no clubs since they were a casualty of the car....

i want to get fitted for clubs...so i guess i will start with the putter....is that fittable or just a feel thing...i had an odyssey that i picked up at golfsmith and it was ok but my friends said it had too much loft...heck, i didn't know putters had loft...

 

[shadrap]

so 2 months after my car wreck and i am cleared to start chipping and putting....problem is i have no clubs since they were a casualty of the car....

i want to get fitted for clubs...so i guess i will start with the putter....is that fittable or just a feel thing...i had an odyssey that i picked up at golfsmith and it was ok but my friends said it had too much loft...heck, i didn't know putters had loft...

Putter is all personal feel.   I went to a PGA store & putted for an hour with various putters.  that's a good way to do it.  Odyssey is a top of the line putter by the way.

 

[gump]

I bought an Odyssey brand new at Golfsmith and was getting too much air on the ball...got the loft measured and found out it was at 9 degrees, when it should have been roughly 4 degrees.  They took it back.

 

[Mookie]

so 2 months after my car wreck and i am cleared to start chipping and putting....problem is i have no clubs since they were a casualty of the car....

i want to get fitted for clubs...so i guess i will start with the putter....is that fittable or just a feel thing...i had an odyssey that i picked up at golfsmith and it was ok but my friends said it had too much loft...heck, i didn't know putters had loft...

Agree that putter is all about feel, but there is some fitting involved.  I went to a shorter putter last year (33") and absolutely love it - turns out that I had been standing too upright and away from the ball with a 34".  Now my arms hang naturally and I get a much better roll on the ball.

And get fitted for the driver and other clubs - it makes a big difference.

 

[belljr]

so 2 months after my car wreck and i am cleared to start chipping and putting....problem is i have no clubs since they were a casualty of the car....

i want to get fitted for clubs...so i guess i will start with the putter....is that fittable or just a feel thing...i had an odyssey that i picked up at golfsmith and it was ok but my friends said it had too much loft...heck, i didn't know putters had loft...

You can get fitted for length that's the biggest one the put down like a mirror with all these lines on it and it'll line up your eyes and stuff like that and that'll help you if you're up Putters too long or Too Short

 

[ydoc]

I bought an Odyssey brand new at Golfsmith and was getting too much air on the ball...got the loft measured and found out it was at 9 degrees, when it should have been roughly 4 degrees.  They took it back.

prolly what was wrong with mine....

 

[ydoc]

You can get fitted for length that's the biggest one the put down like a mirror with all these lines on it and it'll line up your eyes and stuff like that and that'll help you if you're up Putters too long or Too Short

thanks...will do...

 

[Da Guru]

Played 9 holes this morning.  What a treat...For the first time in my life I played golf in Michigan mid-February.   68 and sunny today and the courses had lots of players.

 

[gump]

I think I mentioned it here, but a year+ ago i decided to try to straighten out my ball flight, as my draw was just too hard to control...even though I was really consistent with it.  So the entire year last year was a struggle trying to tweak my swing, playing 3-4 times a month and rarely hitting the range.  Was hitting the ball really solid when straight, but then pull low left or block way right every 3rd shot.

Finally today it clicked...hit the ball the best I have in years.  Just felt like I was going to hit every shot straight and solid.  Didn't make a putt over 6 feet but shot 75, on the course that will host the PGA qualifier next week.  I haven't felt like this about golf in a long time.  Not many better feelings than that.  Patience paid off...and now I'm motivated to practice more.

I love this game...until next week.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I think I mentioned it here, but a year+ ago i decided to try to straighten out my ball flight, as my draw was just too hard to control...even though I was really consistent with it.  So the entire year last year was a struggle trying to tweak my swing, playing 3-4 times a month and rarely hitting the range.  Was hitting the ball really solid when straight, but then pull low left or block way right every 3rd shot.

Finally today it clicked...hit the ball the best I have in years.  Just felt like I was going to hit every shot straight and solid.  Didn't make a putt over 6 feet but shot 75, on the course that will host the PGA qualifier next week.  I haven't felt like this about golf in a long time.  Not many better feelings than that.  Patience paid off...and now I'm motivated to practice more.

I love this game...until next week.




 

This too will pass.  

Golf is ####### evil.  

 

[gump]

This too will pass.  

Golf is ####### evil.  

No doubt...but the good is beautiful and will keep me coming back forever.

 

[Da Guru]

February golfing in Michigan came to an abrupt end.  Played 36 holes though and am happy.

 

[Judge Smails]

I think I mentioned it here, but a year+ ago i decided to try to straighten out my ball flight, as my draw was just too hard to control...even though I was really consistent with it.  So the entire year last year was a struggle trying to tweak my swing, playing 3-4 times a month and rarely hitting the range.  Was hitting the ball really solid when straight, but then pull low left or block way right every 3rd shot.

Finally today it clicked...hit the ball the best I have in years.  Just felt like I was going to hit every shot straight and solid.  Didn't make a putt over 6 feet but shot 75, on the course that will host the PGA qualifier next week.  I haven't felt like this about golf in a long time.  Not many better feelings than that.  Patience paid off...and now I'm motivated to practice more.

I love this game...until next week.

what did you work on to get the straighter ball flight?? Any changes to grip/stance or just path? What was key for ingraining muscle memory?

 

[Judge Smails]

Any of you been to a Cool Clubs for custom fitting? My local fitting guy moved, and a local teaching pro heard great things about Cool Clubs.  Have an appointment in 2 weeks.  Driving to Irvine to do it.  Hoping it's worth it.  All clubs in my bag have been fitted except the clubs between 4 iron and driver.  Getting a new 3 wood for sure.  And likely replacing 5 wood with a 3 rescue.  Big question is do I add another longer club and take my 50 degree gap wedge out of my bag.  We'll see.  I use it for 95-105 yards but seems maybe once a round

https://coolclubs.com/

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Any of you been to a Cool Clubs for custom fitting? My local fitting guy moved, and a local teaching pro heard great things about Cool Clubs.  Have an appointment in 2 weeks.  Driving to Irvine to do it.  Hoping it's worth it.  All clubs in my bag have been fitted except the clubs between 4 iron and driver.  Getting a new 3 wood for sure.  And likely replacing 5 wood with a 3 rescue.  Big question is do I add another longer club and take my 50 degree gap wedge out of my bag.  We'll see.  I use it for 95-105 yards but seems maybe once a round

https://coolclubs.com/




 

$600 for a fitting?  

 

[Judge Smails]

$600 for a fitting?  

$150 for what I'm doing.  Fairway woods/rescue clubs.  Hey if helps my game for a few years I'm happy to pay it.  1) I don't want to be sold by a manufacturer into just their clubs.  I have a TaylorMade driver in my bag and have their irons as well, but I hit the M1 rescue today at Roger Dunn and hated it (did like the M1 3 wood but not right shaft).  Killed the Callaway hybrid  though.  So want to be open to all club heads, and then get the right shaft.  2) The guy at Roger Dunn couldn't even work the machine.  Was a total hack.  I want someone that knows what they are doing and am putting me in the right club/shaft that gets optimum launch, spin, etc 

 

[belljr]

what did you work on to get the straighter ball flight?? Any changes to grip/stance or just path? What was key for ingraining muscle memory?

I'm going to guess as I'm a natural drawer and fought to straigthen it out but it screwed me up for so long I kind of went back to my old one a little.  

He weakened his grip a little, added a little more wrist hinge, and worked on taking the club back a bit more outside/upright

 

[gump]

what did you work on to get the straighter ball flight?? Any changes to grip/stance or just path? What was key for ingraining muscle memory?

Nothing drastic but it took me a while to start hitting it square.  Started on the range moving my stance using sticks, from aiming slightly right to slightly left.  Video'd the top of my back swing with my current swing, then taking it outside and ending at the top more on plane...did that for a bit to get it where it looked good from the back.  From there just went with feel to try to hit that new spot at the top repeatedly.  Had to play very slightly with ball placement, grip, and as @belljr mentioned...hinging my wrists at impact.  

Key to me what focusing on turning my shoulders and getting my hands to the right spot at the top.

 

[Da Guru]

$150 for what I'm doing.  Fairway woods/rescue clubs.  Hey if helps my game for a few years I'm happy to pay it.  1) I don't want to be sold by a manufacturer into just their clubs.  I have a TaylorMade driver in my bag and have their irons as well, but I hit the M1 rescue today at Roger Dunn and hated it (did like the M1 3 wood but not right shaft).  Killed the Callaway hybrid  though.  So want to be open to all club heads, and then get the right shaft.  2) The guy at Roger Dunn couldn't even work the machine.  Was a total hack.  I want someone that knows what they are doing and am putting me in the right club/shaft that gets optimum launch, spin, etc 

Went last year to get a new driver at Miles of Golf in Ann Arbor.  They have all the high tech stuff to test your swing.  Deciding that a 9.5 loft was good I told the guy to bring out 5-6 drivers and when you hand them to me don`t tell me what brand they are.  I did not want to be swayed by a name Ping, Taylor or whatever.  Took 15 or so swings with each with all the data, spin rate, launch, and so forth.  Narrowed it down to two drivers that fit me better than the rest.   One I was hitting 8-10 yards farther and much straighter than all the others.  When I saw what brand I was I was a little surprised.   Without knowing the brands I had eliminated Cleveland, Taylor, Titleist, Mizuno and Ping.  Ended up with a Tour Edge Driver.  After getting properly fitted I drove the ball the best I ever have in my life. Longer with a slight draw.  Never would I have even considered a Tour Edge driver so it was worthwhile to get properly fitted.

 

[mr roboto]

Went last year to get a new driver at Miles of Golf in Ann Arbor.  They have all the high tech stuff to test your swing.  Deciding that a 9.5 loft was good I told the guy to bring out 5 drivers and when you hand them to me don`t tell me what brand they are.  I did not want to be swayed by a name Ping, Taylor or whatever.  Took 15 or so swings with each with all the data, spin rate, launch, and so forth.  Narrowed it down to two drivers that fit me better than the rest.   One I was hitting 8-10 yards farther and much straighter than all the others.  When I saw what brand I was I was a little surprised.   Without knowing the brands I had eliminated Cleveland, Taylor, Titleist, Mizuno and Ping.  Ended up with a Tour Edge Driver.  After getting properly fitted I drove the ball the best I ever have in my life. Longer with a slight draw.  Never would I have even considered a Tour Edge driver so it was worthwhile to get properly fitted.

Tour Edge 4 wood and hybrid for me. I hit them so pure. 

 

[Quint]

Any of you been to a Cool Clubs for custom fitting? My local fitting guy moved, and a local teaching pro heard great things about Cool Clubs.  Have an appointment in 2 weeks.  Driving to Irvine to do it.  Hoping it's worth it.  All clubs in my bag have been fitted except the clubs between 4 iron and driver.  Getting a new 3 wood for sure.  And likely replacing 5 wood with a 3 rescue.  Big question is do I add another longer club and take my 50 degree gap wedge out of my bag.  We'll see.  I use it for 95-105 yards but seems maybe once a round

https://coolclubs.com/

maybe i read that wrong, but why would you take your 50* out of the bag if it's your "100 yard" club?