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That can be turned around too: Is the absence of physical media such a terrible, terrible thing? We seem to be fine with it with movies and music, and, as we all know, printed manuals are prettymuch done.
I don't quite get your point. What about movies or music require an always-online connection? I don't think people dislike the thought of not having a DVD. They dislike the thought of being required to be constantly online, especially with a camera and microphone built in to their system.
Like your smartphone? Or computer?I guess I just don't get the paranoia associated with this. Your smartphone is likely always connected, and has a camera and a mic, and people take it everywhere with them. They probably even have it in their bedroom while having sex (or worse).
NEWSFLASH: Game companies aren't pandering to people who play 20 year old systems and don't actually purchase new games. We get that you still wear full body pajamas with the feet covers and rock your SNES on Saturday mornings - and that's awesome, but please stop pretending like you have a majority stake in this generation of gaming.
This is no longer the case and hasn't been for years.
Movies tried the always-online connection once. It was called Divx. And that failed miserably. That's what XBox One reminds me of with their system. Divx.
Wow. Just wow. These are the people who pay thousands of dollars to attend PAX and E3 live. They are the same ones who donate to kickstarter campaigns. I don't see the teenagers that these game companies pander to doing all that.
There is absolutely no connection between digital delivery and always-online. None. I have lots of games on my PS3 HD that I never have to use a disc for, but the console works just fine offline. People who keep drawing this connection are doing so either because they don't know what they're talking about or as a means of deflection.
Can you provide the link where MS says that in 10 years they will turn off the servers and you'll have a nice shiny brick on your entertainment center? Seems like a pretty easy fix that the day they decide to stop supporting the One they could put out a software patch that negates the online ping requirement.
I'm not saying anything. I'm asking. Is that the gist of this technology? We can't play anything offline? What happens if the internet doesn't work? Can I not play my games because thats a deal breaker.
They've been pretty clear that single player games that didn't need any online content would work fine if your internet went down.
They basically said the single player would work fine. However, developers are going to be designing games (even single player modes) to take advantage of the cloud, so there's that.
Thats kind of a big deal.
It depends. If you're like me and you buy most of your games new, how often is your internet down for 24 hours at a time? Probably almost never. This kind of DRM isn't all that incredibly intrusive.
yes and it is a reason if i do upgrade it wont be to xbox... if ps4 has the same thing then i may not upgrade any time soon
That doesn't help if the games call out to the cloud for any function of the actual game at any time (even something as simple as making a save).
It has nothing to do with digital delivery, but it likely has a lot to do with the ability to install games from the disc and then play them without the disc. It seems like MS was ready to go digital-only this generation but knew there were a lot of people vehemently against that so they're offering the ability to use discs as a medium to get that digital content onto your console (rather than a download). Then you're stuck with the problem of how to prevent people from just copying that disc to 50 people's consoles.
Given that Sony/MS are hemorrhaging money from their gaming departments and developers are shutting down left and right while we get all these sweet games at absurdly cheap prices, I think a money grab on their end is not only fair, but overdue.
Meh. If they're hemorrhaging money...then the last thing they need is to lose loyal (I've owned a NES, SNES,N64, PS1, X-BOX and 360 and have bought my weight in games) customers. Either remove the doubt in my head(that's its about nickle and diming me as a customer) or lose me as a customer; but the last few experiences that I've had with games have left a bit of a bad taste. The downloadable content for ME3 the day of release; the 60.00 yearly price tag on COD for "map updates" and the 60.00 yearly price tag for Madden for "roster updates."
A whopping $60 is hardly a steep price for something that gives you well over 60 hours of entertainment.
Meh, video games are more expensive than other forms of sitting on one's ###.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1fyjgr/regarding_xbox_one_and_allegations_of_voterigging/Emoticons removed because board sucks
Yep. Either of the posts could be bull####. Wouldn't put it past any company to have shills posting for them on Reddit (or having one like FreeBagel here).
You think FreeBagel is going to change the minds of a dozen FFA gamers?
sounds like a poor investment of resources. unless... maybe you work for sony
Also, there are lots of markets that don't have the same level of internet penetration that North America and the EU enjoy. And I read somewhere recently that apparently Japanese gamers are offline-only much more often than you would think -- they apparently don't get into competitive multiplayer as much as folks in other markets. So yeah, I'd expect to see different regions treated differently.
Hey, I got called out for calling these people "sheep"! I know that many don't agree with it, but I still stand by that. PC users didn't get suckered into paying for Games for Windows Live and it eventually had become a free service. This couldn't happened with consoles too. But some people will buy packaged water ("just add water!") and think they're getting a value.Also, there are lots of markets that don't have the same level of internet penetration that North America and the EU enjoy. And I read somewhere recently that apparently Japanese gamers are offline-only much more often than you would think -- they apparently don't get into competitive multiplayer as much as folks in other markets. So yeah, I'd expect to see different regions treated differently.
Edit: As far as "When did Americans become such suckers?" there is only one electronic device that I know of that charges you a fee to use your own internet connection. It's the best-selling console in North America and nowhere else.
I keep hearing this, but have you ever considered that the reason they are losing money like this is their own stupid fault and no possible price point could fix it?
All you need is a decently-powered PC that you can hook to your TV, and you can have every "retro" game and system that you want. Emulation makes all of this possible.
I don't consider DLing copies of games that I have already bought as thievery. Not to mention, if you can no longer buy an actual copy of the game (due to it being out of print for 20 years), then I don't consider that wrong either. If you cannot legally buy a new copy of a game, then how else are you going to get one? Publishers don't get money from buying used copies of games.
As I said, if there is no legitimate way to give the publishers money for their product (they do not get anything from used game sales), then it is not.
I posted something similar a few pages ago.
Yes, I realize that puts me in the vast minority here.
