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NCCommish
Footballguy
I have posted links from tech sources I trust within the last 24 hrs that say since both the cpu and gpu are made on the same die the performance is going to be relatively close and it will come down to programming to achieve much of a difference in noticeable play.Have you been on the internet in the past 24 hours? "Everyone" is not saying that the systems look about equal. If there's a consensu opinion out there, it's that the Xbox One is mainly an entertainment hub that will also play games, while the PS4 is mainly a gaming platform that also does media. It's like these companies aren't even competing over the same consumers anymore.and based on limited info in two annoucements where almost everyone says the systems look about equal you have already concluded that will be the PS4I've owned one Playstation product and I only bought that one because all my friends that game had already purchased PS3s. I would have preferred a 360. I don't give a crap who makes the system, I just want the best console gaming experience.
SlaX
Footballguy
True. The first Fable was outstanding, Fable 2 was pretty good, but I was so disappointed in Fable 3. And I didn't play the Kinect Fable game or that Fable XBLA game. I heard they sucked.
If they did, as a new ps3 owner I'd genuinely appreciate it if you pointed said exclusives out to me. Xbox exclusives have certainly sold better.
SlaX
Footballguy
BTW, for those that don't know. This is 2k's last year they are allowed to make an MLB game. Technically they weren't supposed to this year either, but they got it in under the radar by not changing anything but the rosters. So MLB: The Show will not only be a PS exclusive, but will be the only MLB game available unless something new is signed.
Yeah, couldn't get through much of 3 at all. Then end of Fable 2 pissed me off a great deal too.
This and Halo have always been my case to go Xbox, but the continued degredation of both franchises is sad.
SlaX
Footballguy
Without spoiling too much, Fable 3 was fine until you get to be king and then you go through the chore of making choices for the kingdom. It was like the
when he goes over the cliff.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Those articles are missing a ton of relevant information. Some of that is their fault and some of it is simply because Microsoft really didn't give out information to allow direct comparison to the PS4. And there is a big difference in total power and power targeted towards one specific thing. A chip setup designed to do 10 different things will be different than one designed primarily to do 1 thing.I have posted links from tech sources I trust within the last 24 hrs that say since both the cpu and gpu are made on the same die the performance is going to be relatively close and it will come down to programming to achieve much of a difference in noticeable play.Have you been on the internet in the past 24 hours? "Everyone" is not saying that the systems look about equal. If there's a consensu opinion out there, it's that the Xbox One is mainly an entertainment hub that will also play games, while the PS4 is mainly a gaming platform that also does media. It's like these companies aren't even competing over the same consumers anymore.and based on limited info in two annoucements where almost everyone says the systems look about equal you have already concluded that will be the PS4
LAUNCH
Footballguy
Xbox - Ryse & Quantum Break PS4 Driveclub, Knack, Primal Carnage, War Thunder (some are pc too). The PS4 like the PS3 is probably better for single player games, but for multiplayer and their network they have a long way to catch up. The look, feel, and speed of XBL is worth the $ for me.
SlaX
Footballguy
This may have been true back in 2006-'09, but is there still that big of a difference. From many articles over the last couple of years, I've read that the gap isn't big anymore. Of course, I don't own a PS3 to compare personally.
Either way, this is probably a big reason the PS4 will be the console for me this round. I tend to do my multiplayer gaming on PC.
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NCCommish
Footballguy
Speaking of not knowing. You have no idea if anything you just said there is going to be at all true. Sony is not going to let MS be the only set top killer in the market.The reality is the hardware is so close it's a coin flip. It will come down to the software. We won't really know until the consoles hit the street and we get actual game play which does what better. My guess is it will be pretty much a draw.Those articles are missing a ton of relevant information. Some of that is their fault and some of it is simply because Microsoft really didn't give out information to allow direct comparison to the PS4. And there is a big difference in total power and power targeted towards one specific thing. A chip setup designed to do 10 different things will be different than one designed primarily to do 1 thing.I have posted links from tech sources I trust within the last 24 hrs that say since both the cpu and gpu are made on the same die the performance is going to be relatively close and it will come down to programming to achieve much of a difference in noticeable play.Have you been on the internet in the past 24 hours? "Everyone" is not saying that the systems look about equal. If there's a consensu opinion out there, it's that the Xbox One is mainly an entertainment hub that will also play games, while the PS4 is mainly a gaming platform that also does media. It's like these companies aren't even competing over the same consumers anymore.and based on limited info in two annoucements where almost everyone says the systems look about equal you have already concluded that will be the PS4
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B-Deep
Footballguy
i am talking about hardware specs, and yes almost everyone isHave you been on the internet in the past 24 hours? "Everyone" is not saying that the systems look about equal. If there's a consensu opinion out there, it's that the Xbox One is mainly an entertainment hub that will also play games, while the PS4 is mainly a gaming platform that also does media. It's like these companies aren't even competing over the same consumers anymore.and based on limited info in two annoucements where almost everyone says the systems look about equal you have already concluded that will be the PS4
right now all we have are hardware specs and marketing decisions
and the hardware looks about equal, if you scroll back there have been a ton of links posted saying the only difference seems to be RAM speed at this point
if you want to judge the systems at this point feel free, you probably owned a 3DO and/or atari jaguar as well. there is almost nothing to go off of at this point
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think that XBL is vastly superior to PS3's offering. I think that the interface is clunky and voice communication is vastly inferior on the PS3. Party chat alone swings things to the 360.
Voice chat in BF3 was unusable on the PS3 for months after launch due to hardware limitations and the fact that EA had to bake voicechat into the game. For the 360, VoIP is already there.
Voice chat in BF3 was unusable on the PS3 for months after launch due to hardware limitations and the fact that EA had to bake voicechat into the game. For the 360, VoIP is already there.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
The look and feel of ads everywhere? As SlaX mentioned, XBL may have been way ahead of the curve at the start relative to the PS3, but the PS3 has taken considerable steps forward and XBL has taken considerable steps backward in recent years, to where the only way the $ is worth it is if that's the system most of your friends play on, in which case it will always be worth it as long as that is true.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
I own both and buy some games for both. Downloading is faster and games are less laggy (for me) on the Xbox. The communication on XBL is better as well and an amazing amount of people on PS3 don't even mic up.
SlaX
Footballguy
On the PC, EA still doesn't have voip for BF3. You either use TeamSpeak or Ventrillo (or some other service, like Google Hangouts, etc). True about the 360 already having a good voip service.
The PS3 not including a mic would probably explain that. I think I read the PS4 will include one, or that it was built in to the controller or something. I'll have to check.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
I guess if you want to say the xbox demo was disappointing I am not going to argue.
If, however, you think it is reasonable to conclude it will be an inferior gaming machine I think you are jumping the gun. It may well be inferior, but I do not think there is enough info to know right now
If, however, you think it is reasonable to conclude it will be an inferior gaming machine I think you are jumping the gun. It may well be inferior, but I do not think there is enough info to know right now
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
There's no hard proof since Microsoft didn't release specs, but there HAVE been plenty of leaked specs on the hardware. So far, all of them have pretty much proven to be true. If the leaks are correct on the GPU, the PS4 GPU will have 50% more computing power. That seems like a lot to me. We also know the RAM is considerably faster. Like 33% faster or so.
They're leaks so it is possible they're wrong, but the odds are they are on target.
They're leaks so it is possible they're wrong, but the odds are they are on target.
Meh, I've always had some sort of issue using a mic on XBL too.
LAUNCH
Footballguy
I'm sure it will, just like the Xbox will have wifi now (unfortunately). I assume 95% of the games will be the same and none of the games so far have given me a reason buy either system, other than wanting the new stuff. The skype, kinect, and smart glass integration did impress me though, the share button did not.
Worm
slimy ninja
Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
Worm
slimy ninja
I just don't think either of these are true, based on what I've heard regarding XB1/PS4 comparisons.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
B-Deep
Footballguy
so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
My link.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
Worm
slimy ninja
I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Microsoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
SlaX
Footballguy
Game retailers and rental places alike will be affected by this. For example, I have a friend that owns a video rental store in my town and one of my best friends from high school also owns a small video game retail store. It's obvious where video game rentals will be hurt here. His rental store is the last one in our town outside of a Redbox kiosk and he does rather well. However, most of his profits come from video game rentals. That will be dead next gen especially if Sony goes a similar route.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
The video game retail store makes very little profit on new game sales. In fact, once a game drops in price, he immediately takes a hit on each game sold until he's able to reorder stock, assuming he even sells those games he already has. So he relies on used game sales to make his money. He'll still be able to sell current gen and older games (and thankfully for him, he makes a lot on retro games). I assume this to be the same case with Gamestop and that's why they are the way they are with used game trade-ins. Hope you guys like buying games from Wal-Mart and Best Buy. And that's where digital downloads will likely be preferred.
Once the retailers decide it's not worth carrying the games anymore, it won't be worth carrying hardware, then nothing. I've seen a couple of retailers already stop carrying video games already.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I don't know about XBL, but older games on PSN are generally priced quite a bit above what you could buy them for on the used games market. That's bad, but it's no big deal since nobody is forcing me to buy from PSN.
Now suppose Sony forces me to me to buy the right to play a used game from PSN, effectively cutting out the Gamestops and eBays of the world.
See why it's a big deal now? Even if you don't personally buy used games very often (I don't), lots of people do. If Microsoft and/or Sony monopolize the used game market for their respective consoles -- and that's clearly what Microsoft is doing -- it's hard to predict how consumers as a group will respond, but whatever that response is it isn't going to do anything to enhance the growth of the industry.
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Seems like this is the goal of MSFT to get a higher profit margin. Sony will follow suit. In the end, this probably will have a very negative affect on the industry as a whole; they're going to get a bigger slice of the pie but limit its growth in the process.Game retailers and rental places alike will be affected by this. For example, I have a friend that owns a video rental store in my town and one of my best friends from high school also owns a small video game retail store. It's obvious where video game rentals will be hurt here. His rental store is the last one in our town outside of a Redbox kiosk and he does rather well. However, most of his profits come from video game rentals. That will be dead next gen especially if Sony goes a similar route.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
The video game retail store makes very little profit on new game sales. In fact, once a game drops in price, he immediately takes a hit on each game sold until he's able to reorder stock, assuming he even sells those games he already has. So he relies on used game sales to make his money. He'll still be able to sell current gen and older games (and thankfully for him, he makes a lot on retro games). I assume this to be the same case with Gamestop and that's why they are the way they are with used game trade-ins. Hope you guys like buying games from Wal-Mart and Best Buy. And that's where digital downloads will likely be preferred.
Once the retailers decide it's not worth carrying the games anymore, it won't be worth carrying hardware, then nothing. I've seen a couple of retailers already stop carrying video games already.
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NCCommish
Footballguy
Sure you can play used games....you just have to pay a fee to link that used game to your account. Brilliant!
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-one-play-used-games-questions-linger-213743272.html
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-one-play-used-games-questions-linger-213743272.html
Worm
slimy ninja
I think the problem is you are comparing where the console industry is going with how things have worked in the past, and saying that anything different will be bad. Personally I think it's just the evolution of gaming in general towards the PC model, but in your living room. It's supply and demand, and console and PC will be more tightly tied together than they are now, forcing Microsoft/Sony to adjust, lessening the impact on the consumer.
B-Deep
Footballguy
although we're not 100% clear on the details.My link.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
But that doesn't mean used games are dead. In fact, Harrison told us, you'll be able to sell your Xbox One games online.
"We will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," Harrison said.
The Xbox exec wouldn't give further details on how this system will work, but we're assuming that once you're done with a game, you can trade the code online and it will be erased from your machine. But what will you get? Other games? Microsoft Points?
No matter how the final system works, it is not likely to please GameStop, the world's biggest buyer and seller of used video games, but it could be a tantalizing way to share games with your friends in the virtual space
B-Deep
Footballguy
here's the CEO of gamestop
unwilling to speculate on how used games will work
I agree there is some concern, but to say flat out to buy a used game an xbox user will have to pay full retail price is not something we know at this point
it is entirely possible the used game methodology will suck, but the facts are no one is real sure how it will work
Bartel would not go into specifics about used games, which will require a fee for play on separate Xbox accounts according to Wired. “They have not discussed that with us yet. What they are going to say, if they haven’t said it already, is that they are going to design it [Xbox One] to work with trade-in and resell games. [Even Microsoft isn't sure -- Ed.] We’re going to work very closely to make this a seamless transition from Xbox 360 to Xbox One,” said Bartel.
Pressed further on used games, Bartel says, “We can’t speculate. I’ll go with what we do know. The point is that the buy-sell-trade model is very positive. Over a billion dollars of trade credit is applied mostly toward new games [About 70 percent of trade-in credit goes into new games, according to Bartel].”Bartel used Electronic Arts as an example, “EA said, ‘Look, our Online Pass isn’t working.’” The publisher recently discontinued its Online Pass program, which had players pay an extra fee for full online features when they purchased games used. ”Any type of friction implemented into the system would make it more difficult [for consumers],” and Bartel says that retailers and console makers want as little friction as possible.
Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/21/gamestop-president-tony-bartels-first-impressions-of-the-xbox-one/#1FjPyyIwT4T31Soa.99
unwilling to speculate on how used games will work
I agree there is some concern, but to say flat out to buy a used game an xbox user will have to pay full retail price is not something we know at this point
it is entirely possible the used game methodology will suck, but the facts are no one is real sure how it will work
Bartel would not go into specifics about used games, which will require a fee for play on separate Xbox accounts according to Wired. “They have not discussed that with us yet. What they are going to say, if they haven’t said it already, is that they are going to design it [Xbox One] to work with trade-in and resell games. [Even Microsoft isn't sure -- Ed.] We’re going to work very closely to make this a seamless transition from Xbox 360 to Xbox One,” said Bartel.
Pressed further on used games, Bartel says, “We can’t speculate. I’ll go with what we do know. The point is that the buy-sell-trade model is very positive. Over a billion dollars of trade credit is applied mostly toward new games [About 70 percent of trade-in credit goes into new games, according to Bartel].”Bartel used Electronic Arts as an example, “EA said, ‘Look, our Online Pass isn’t working.’” The publisher recently discontinued its Online Pass program, which had players pay an extra fee for full online features when they purchased games used. ”Any type of friction implemented into the system would make it more difficult [for consumers],” and Bartel says that retailers and console makers want as little friction as possible.
Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/05/21/gamestop-president-tony-bartels-first-impressions-of-the-xbox-one/#1FjPyyIwT4T31Soa.99
SlaX
Footballguy
I hope you're right about this. I know so far XBox's Games on Demand store (I can't speak for PSN) doesn't really compete well on prices with retailers. Most of the time, you can buy a game from a retailer or online (new, not used) for less than the Games on Demand store has it listed. For example, NBA 2k13 is still the full $59.99 price on XBGoD. It dropped to $39.99 retail prior to the playoffs and I've seen it as low as $19.99.
B-Deep
Footballguy
you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
A whole lot of usless speculation going on up in here.
Case in point - LOL at people arguing over which system is more powerful when the specs aren't even official.
Carry on (fellow) nerds.
Case in point - LOL at people arguing over which system is more powerful when the specs aren't even official.
Carry on (fellow) nerds.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah but it isn't a bad bet.you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
B-Deep
Footballguy
why would someone buy a used game and then pay the full retail price for the game to play it, where is the sense? this opinion is basically saying microsoft is not going to support used game salesYeah but it isn't a bad bet.you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?This is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculation
If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
if we assume they are lying about this can we assume other things they are presenting are lies? then maybe the box will only have 4 gigs of ram and will be run by a hamster on a wheel!
can we also assume Sony is lying, or is only microsoft so evil as to lie?
screw it, I am pulling out my virtual boy and going retro, these new systems suck
LAUNCH
Footballguy
If I was Sony I would want to go first at E3 and say...
1. No internet connection required, ever.
2. No mandatory multiplayer subscriptions, ever.
3. No camera required, ever.
4. The ability to resell/borrow or use features on game resells will be handled exclusively by the software publishers, just like today.
5. I would recreate these bullet points in a remake of the Apple 1984 Big Brother Ad and have these flash across the screen.
6. Playstation, we make systems and games for gamers. Game on M$.
1. No internet connection required, ever.
2. No mandatory multiplayer subscriptions, ever.
3. No camera required, ever.
4. The ability to resell/borrow or use features on game resells will be handled exclusively by the software publishers, just like today.
5. I would recreate these bullet points in a remake of the Apple 1984 Big Brother Ad and have these flash across the screen.
6. Playstation, we make systems and games for gamers. Game on M$.
B-Deep
Footballguy
some of the speculation has to be correct, we can look forwrd to those speculators saying I told you so!
in that vein, I predict a bright red system is released by one of these companies
SlaX
Footballguy
That's the point. Microsoft doesn't want to support the used game market. But I'm the process of doing away with used games, they eliminate any other alternative to buying.why would someone buy a used game and then pay the full retail price for the game to play it, where is the sense? this opinion is basically saying microsoft is not going to support used game salesYeah but it isn't a bad bet.you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculationThis is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
if we assume they are lying about this can we assume other things they are presenting are lies? then maybe the box will only have 4 gigs of ram and will be run by a hamster on a wheel!
can we also assume Sony is lying, or is only microsoft so evil as to lie?
screw it, I am pulling out my virtual boy and going retro, these new systems suck
Fennis
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
assuming those are true that would be a very effective marketing ploy
of course if the games are better on Xbox most the other #### will be put up with
in the end the quality of the games is what is going to probably win this battle, if it is won at all. odds are in the end both systems flourish, generally there are always 2 systems that both fight for market share and both do well
of course, Sega seemed a fixture in the market till they fell. IT could certainly happen to one of these systems, though I would doubt it
i personally hope both systems kick ### and game development for both flourishes
B-Deep
Footballguy
that is exactly not what they are sayingThat's the point. Microsoft doesn't want to support the used game market. But I'm the process of doing away with used games, they eliminate any other alternative to buying.why would someone buy a used game and then pay the full retail price for the game to play it, where is the sense? this opinion is basically saying microsoft is not going to support used game salesYeah but it isn't a bad bet.you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculationThis is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
if we assume they are lying about this can we assume other things they are presenting are lies? then maybe the box will only have 4 gigs of ram and will be run by a hamster on a wheel!
can we also assume Sony is lying, or is only microsoft so evil as to lie?
screw it, I am pulling out my virtual boy and going retro, these new systems suck
so as i said, if we assume lies, how do we compare anything?
maybe all the PS4 games were just cgi animations generated and played completely independant of any console they may or may not have in development...
maybe xbox will not have a blu ray but will revert to floppy disk installs!
SlaX
Footballguy
Sony has to come out swinging. The entire company is floundering right now and since the Playstation brand is one of their only profitable branch, they need it out performing the competition. If Sony loses out, it literally could be lights out for Sony as a whole.
SlaX
Footballguy
Of course that's not what they're saying. Microsoft did so much of stepping around the issues yesterday that you'd think it was a political race.that is exactly not what they are sayingThat's the point. Microsoft doesn't want to support the used game market. But I'm the process of doing away with used games, they eliminate any other alternative to buying.why would someone buy a used game and then pay the full retail price for the game to play it, where is the sense? this opinion is basically saying microsoft is not going to support used game salesYeah but it isn't a bad bet.you simply do not know that for sureMicrosoft obviously isn't going to charge $60 to unlock the rights to a two year old game. The "fee" is going to be whatever the game is currently selling for on XBL. That will be market-driven, but it's now a market monopolized by Microsoft. This system cuts out the competitors I mentioned above.I agree. It says "we have designed for", which implies an active market. I don't think their "fee" is going to be $50 or $60.If it's as low as $10, and you can play it right from your hard drive once installed, then I foresee a lot of "game exchanges" going down on various websites/communities.so you are saying i could buy a used game for $14 and then have to pay full retail price to unlock it?I think you could be mistaken. I think any info on how used game sales will work is speculationThis is technically true but misleading and deceptive. Yes, you can still buy a used game from GameStop (say). But you won't be able to play it on your X1 without paying a fee. And the "fee" is the retail price of the game. In other words if you want to play a used game on X1, you have to buy the rights from Microsoft. No more GameStop, Amazon, or eBay. And no more rentals.Major Nelson snippet
1. You can buy and re-sell used games (I think we knew that)
2. There is NO FEE to bring a game to your friends house and play. The only requirement is that you be logged in to your profile to play.
I don't buy used games very often so this wouldn't affect me much directly, but I'm with Slax that this is a bad development for the industry as a whole.
I just don't think we know yet which one it will be closer to.
And saying it's "bad development for the industry" is not true in my opinion. PC gaming went this way years ago, and something like Steam is very successful. You don't care that you can't resell your games when you can get such a variety of games for great prices, new and old. It will just take time to equalize to that point on consoles.
if we assume they are lying about this can we assume other things they are presenting are lies? then maybe the box will only have 4 gigs of ram and will be run by a hamster on a wheel!
can we also assume Sony is lying, or is only microsoft so evil as to lie?
screw it, I am pulling out my virtual boy and going retro, these new systems suck
