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[Hawkeye21]

Wentz is already better than cutler

I'm not trying to defend Cutler but I don't think we know what Wentz is yet. He could be absolutely terrible whereas we know what Cutler was. The bar isn't all that high but Wentz could very well suck too. 

 

[bostonfred]

It doesn't matter what wentz will eventually be. If he's not good enough to make Jeffrey look like 14 million a year then Jeffrey won't be an eagle long enough to find out how good wentz can be. 

 

[Borden]

Alshon has been a productive receiver but he's not so physically dominant that he can't miss.  He's been a target monster the last 4 years for a team that was a combined 22-42 during that time.  There was nobody else on any of those teams to catch the ball and nobody else to design plays for.  He had two and a half seasons of really strong production so the upside is definitely there,  but that's what you should be thinking of it as - upside.

His situation is worse. I think almost everyone would agree that went is a "better" quarterback than Cutler,  but he might not be there yet.  He started his rookie season red hot, and didn't throw an interception for a record setting number of throws to start his career.  You know how you do that? You don't force feed the ball to one guy.  Then he cooled off later in the year.  Wentz should improve from year one to year two,  but it may not be the kind of improvement that helps Jeffrey.  With all the targets they brought in, I doubt the coaches are going to say "make sure you get Jeffrey the 145 targets he's accustomed to."  It's more likely they'll want wentz to learn to look at his secondary targets - Torrey Smith is no great shakes but he could be good for 700-800 yards, Matthews has been pretty steady as a 900 yard guy, Ertz is steadily becoming a 800 yard guy,  and they have a bundle of receiving backs who should account for 500+. That's 3000 yards before you account for any of the production from random scrubs - and wentz only threw for 3800 last year.  Maybe Smith gets more like 200 instead of 700, or wentz throws for 4500 instead of 3800 in year two with better targets,  but it's not a lock that alshon puts up big numbers. 

Then there's his contract. He's on a one year deal that he signed on the first year of free agency.  A top talent hitting the market like that shouldn't have had to settle for a price it deal,  but he's missed a lot of games and he disappointed last year.  They gave him big money - 14 million - but they can walk away after this year if he fails to produce.  So if you're hanging your dynasty hopes on having him grow with wentz, you may be disappointed. 

Then there is just the fact that good wide receivers changing teams sometimes suck for no apparent reason.  It's rare that a really good young receiver changes teams, but the list of free agent receivers who just dominated on their new team is pretty short.  

Sometimes good receivers fall off a cliff.  I know it seems crazy to try to predict the next hakeem nicks but the list of receivers who were highly productive for 10 years is insanely short.  At some point guys drop off,  and on hindsight we usually say things like oh it's because he had those injuries or he was good until he changed teams or he fell off once he got paid or they added this other receiver or the new qb likes top spread the ball around too much. All of which apply to alshon. 

 That doesn't mean he can't or won't succeed.  He is a talented player with proven production and he might just step in and put up 85/1400/8.  This could be exactly what he needed to get him out of that funk. By pedigree he's the best receiver by far on the eagles and he is their shiny new toy and he has upside through the roof. 

 Just understand that that's what you're buying - a guy with big upside.  People are drafting him and trading for him at a price like he's in the proven producer with a couple red flags tier when he's probably at the top of the next tier.

I'm guessing that you're talking dynasty trades, what are people giving up for him? I'm guessing that he's in that same territory as Nuk, Landry, Watkins, Cooks, AR and maybe AJG and Dez (because of age)?

 

[bostonfred]

I'm guessing that you're talking dynasty trades, what are people giving up for him? I'm guessing that he's in that same territory as Nuk, Landry, Watkins, Cooks, AR and maybe AJG and Dez (because of age)?

That's roughly correct although there's a pretty big spread between some of those guys.  Last two trades in the dynasty trade thread were

12 team ppr dynasty.  Traded 1.11, 2.2, and 3.1 for alshon Jeffrey

FFPC Team A gives - Alshon Jeffrey, Kamara, AP, Kareem Hunt

Team B gives - AJ Green, Hyde, Gilislee

 

[menobrown]

That's roughly correct although there's a pretty big spread between some of those guys.  Last two trades in the dynasty trade thread were

12 team ppr dynasty.  Traded 1.11, 2.2, and 3.1 for alshon Jeffrey

FFPC Team A gives - Alshon Jeffrey, Kamara, AP, Kareem Hunt

Team B gives - AJ Green, Hyde, Gilislee

I've been involved in several Alshon trades this off season and one at FFPC trade deadline last year. I've been the team that acquired him in all trades which makes it look like he's a "buy" to me but reality is I guess I'm just the person to say yes to whoever was trying to move him.

Here are the two trades I did for him this off-season,  both before the NFL draft if that matters.

Gave: 1.9 and Snead

Got: Alshon

Gave: 1.8/2.8

Got: Alshon, 3.9

 

[Borden]

Trades for picks are always tough to gauge, IMO. There is just too many things to consider especially when you get outside the top 2 or 3 picks.

The players is the other trade are also players who people have big swings in opinion on. 

That's roughly correct although there's a pretty big spread between some of those guys.  Last two trades in the dynasty trade thread were

12 team ppr dynasty.  Traded 1.11, 2.2, and 3.1 for alshon Jeffrey

FFPC Team A gives - Alshon Jeffrey, Kamara, AP, Kareem Hunt

Team B gives - AJ Green, Hyde, Gilislee

Depending on a persons opinion of picks and the other players these trades seem at least within reason. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think Alshon's value has already peaked and will be at a steady decline after this season. He needs a QB willing to throw it up to him in tight coverage...I don't think Wentz is that guy.

 

[menobrown]

I think Alshon's value has already peaked and will be at a steady decline after this season. He needs a QB willing to throw it up to him in tight coverage...I don't think Wentz is that guy.

If the bolded is true he won't return in 2018 so I could not agree he's in a peak or steady decline phase. Logic dictates either it works out in Philly or he's on a new team.

 

[bostonfred]

I've been involved in several Alshon trades this off season and one at FFPC trade deadline last year. I've been the team that acquired him in all trades which makes it look like he's a "buy" to me but reality is I guess I'm just the person to say yes to whoever was trying to move him.

Here are the two trades I did for him this off-season,  both before the NFL draft if that matters.

Gave: 1.9 and Snead

Got: Alshon

Gave: 1.8/2.8

Got: Alshon, 3.9

I think he's worth that and would have made the same trades.   Strip the names away and you're trading a mid late first - a high upside guy with no proven track record - for Alshon, a high upside guy with a proven track record, and paying a relatively small premium for the upgrade. Works for me. 

 

[King of the Jungle]

If the bolded is true he won't return in 2018 so I could not agree he's in a peak or steady decline phase. Logic dictates either it works out in Philly or he's on a new team.

I am not saying Wentz wont be the QB...or a decent one at that. I just dont think he will be the one to chuck it up for grabs for Alshon. He peaked in 14 and at 27 i doubt he sees those numbers again.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think he's worth that and would have made the same trades.   Strip the names away and you're trading a mid late first - a high upside guy with no proven track record - for Alshon, a high upside guy with a proven track record, and paying a relatively small premium for the upgrade. Works for me. 

don't like that philly signed him to only a one year deal...something stinks here

 

[menobrown]

I am not saying Wentz wont be the QB...or a decent one at that. I just dont think he will be the one to chuck it up for grabs for Alshon. He peaked in 14 and at 27 i doubt he sees those numbers again.

We might be getting our signals crossed. When I said if he does not work he won't be back in 2018 I was referring to Alshon, not Wentz.  Just stands to reason if Alshon is only on a one year deal if it's not a success he moves on.

don't like that philly signed him to only a one year deal...something stinks here

In this case it's right in front of you, I don't think you have to worry about something you don't know. Alshon has struggled to stay healthy and on top his value took another hit as he's a suspension risk.  He simply was not in a position to command a big money long term deal but he's young enough to bet on himself, again.

 

[tdmills]

Alshon has been a productive receiver but he's not so physically dominant that he can't miss.  He's been a target monster the last 4 years for a team that was a combined 22-42 during that time.  There was nobody else on any of those teams to catch the ball and nobody else to design plays for.  He had two and a half seasons of really strong production so the upside is definitely there,  but that's what you should be thinking of it as - upside.

This is just so inaccurate.

1) "Not physically dominant" Really subjective to what's "dominant" but he's an underrated athlete with great ball skills and high points the ball well over defenders.

2) "target monster"   Are you kidding me? Alshon has seen 94 targets each of the past two years. Last year early in the season the issue was Hoyer not getting Alshon enough targets.

3) "nobody else on any of those teams to catch the ball" 2013-2014(Alshon's two best statistical seasons) Chicago had some guy named Brandon Marshall, maybe you've heard of him. 2013-2015 Martellus Bennett.

 

[bostonfred]

This is just so inaccurate.

1) "Not physically dominant" Really subjective to what's "dominant" but he's an underrated athlete with great ball skills and high points the ball well over defenders.

2) "target monster"   Are you kidding me? Alshon has seen 94 targets each of the past two years. Last year early in the season the issue was Hoyer not getting Alshon enough targets.

3) "nobody else on any of those teams to catch the ball" 2013-2014(Alshon's two best statistical seasons) Chicago had some guy named Brandon Marshall, maybe you've heard of him. 2013-2015 Martellus Bennett.

1) You're right, it's subjective.  And you're right, one of the things he excels at is winning on contested balls.  In the last page we've discussed that wentz may not throw contested balls as well, or may not throw into tight coverages.  He has pretty good size and pretty good speed and good skills which might make him really successful with someone who makes use of them and only ok with someone who doesn't.

2) yes, target monster.  In 2014 he was 6th in the NFL in targets.  In 2013 he was 11th. In 2015 he had 94 targets in 9 games - pace for his career high.  In 2016 he missed 4 games due to suspension, had a hamstring injury and he still was on pace for 127 targets - not far off his previous numbers.  You might have wanted him to get even more targets, but on a new team there's no guarantee he gets 140+.

3) yes,  Marshall was on the team in 2014, but that was the year he was hobbled and ended up with 61 receptions.  The team then let him go and he rebounded to have a huge year next to decker.  So he really played one year with a healthy Marshall. That was also Bennett's best year. The reason i mentioned it isn't because literally nobody else on the team got targets,  but because Chicago may have drawn up plays just to get him open,  or Cutler may have considered him the go to guy in certain situations - which may not translate on a new team.  It may.  We just don't know. 

And that's my point. He's a good player. None of those things individually is a reason to drop him down boards, and you're right to say this one or that one isn't s big deal.  It's the combination of all of them that makes him a risky acquisition - one I'd gladly make at the right price (a mid first and a minor player) but not at a stud price (two firsts,  or the major piece in a trade for a true stud). 

It's ok to disagree with me without saying "This is just so inaccurate". You made some fair points and I had to go back and look to respond and that's good for all of us.   Appreciate the response. 

 

[Mavis]

1) You're right, it's subjective.  And you're right, one of the things he excels at is winning on contested balls.  In the last page we've discussed that wentz may not throw contested balls as well, or may not throw into tight coverages.  He has pretty good size and pretty good speed and good skills which might make him really successful with someone who makes use of them and only ok with someone who doesn't.

2) yes, target monster.  In 2014 he was 6th in the NFL in targets.  In 2013 he was 11th. In 2015 he had 94 targets in 9 games - pace for his career high.  In 2016 he missed 4 games due to suspension, had a hamstring injury and he still was on pace for 127 targets - not far off his previous numbers.  You might have wanted him to get even more targets, but on a new team there's no guarantee he gets 140+.  

3) yes,  Marshall was on the team in 2014, but that was the year he was hobbled and ended up with 61 receptions.  The team then let him go and he rebounded to have a huge year next to decker.  So he really played one year with a healthy Marshall. That was also Bennett's best year. The reason i mentioned it isn't because literally nobody else on the team got targets,  but because Chicago may have drawn up plays just to get him open,  or Cutler may have considered him the go to guy in certain situations - which may not translate on a new team.  It may.  We just don't know. 

And that's my point. He's a good player. None of those things individually is a reason to drop him down boards, and you're right to say this one or that one isn't s big deal.  It's the combination of all of them that makes him a risky acquisition - one I'd gladly make at the right price (a mid first and a minor player) but not at a stud price (two firsts,  or the major piece in a trade for a true stud). 

It's ok to disagree with me without saying "This is just so inaccurate". You made some fair points and I had to go back and look to respond and that's good for all of us.   Appreciate the response. 

Your responses to his points that he said were inaccurate on were "you're right, yes and yes." That would seem you were inaccurate and your own responses show as much. No real interest in Jeffery right now either way, just thought this exchange was interesting.

My take on him is he is a #1 WR with talent on an NFL team that will pass a lot, that is how I rank him. Smith and Matthews dont appear to be threats for more targets than Jeffery. Rank accordingly as draft time approaches, dont overthink it. I do tier based rankings fwiw.

 

[need2know]

If he stays on the field he will have the best stat year he has ever had.  A really good young QB and a def that will give up points.  Philly secondary is still garbage.  They are going to have to score.  Jordan Mathews is going to play the slot and become the third or fourth option.  My guess is it's Jeffery and ertz leading the team in rec, yards and TDS. I think Smith will have some big games as well but will be really inconsistent.  Matthews will take a huge drop in production and will be off the team next year.

 

[FF Ninja]

Your responses to his points that he said were inaccurate on were "you're right, yes and yes." That would seem you were inaccurate and your own responses show as much. No real interest in Jeffery right now either way, just thought this exchange was interesting.

My take on him is he is a #1 WR with talent on an NFL team that will pass a lot, that is how I rank him. Smith and Matthews dont appear to be threats for more targets than Jeffery. Rank accordingly as draft time approaches, dont overthink it. I do tier based rankings fwiw.

I don't think you read what he wrote. In the first one he conceded only on "jump balls" which is merely one aspect of being physically dominant and only comes into play if Wentz is down to throw into coverage like Cutler did. For the second point, he was reiterating his own point, saying yes, I stand by the phrase target monster. For the third point he was saying it is true Marshall was there, but he was hobbled so his point stands. So you either didn't read what he wrote or you are struggling with context. 

I agree with all of bostonfred's takes and also add my own concern that the guy has a lot of soft tissue injuries. Those are likely to recur and can rob a guy of his speed and explosiveness. Wentz has enough options this year that if Jeffery is slowed by another hamstring or calf injury then he'll be fine utilizing those other players.

 

[Mavis]

I don't think you read what he n the first one he conceded only on "jump balls" which is merely one aspect of being physically dominant and only comes into play if Wentz is down to throw into coverage like Cutler did. For the second point, he was reiterating his own point, saying yes, I stand by the phrase target monster. For the third point he was saying it is true Marshall was there, but he was hobbled so his point stands. So you either didn't read what he wrote or you are struggling with context. 

I agree with all of bostonfred's takes and also add my own concern that the guy has a lot of soft tissue injuries. Those are likely to recur and can rob a guy of his speed and explosiveness. Wentz has enough options this year that if Jeffery is slowed by another hamstring or calf injury then he'll be fine utilizing those other players.

He said "you're right, yes and yes"... then you agree with his input which he agree was inaccurate with his responses? I dont care of the excuse making to try to validate the point that was wrong. Thanks for your input as you take a run at predicting injuries too.   

 

[FF Ninja]

He said "you're right, yes and yes"... then you agree with his input which he agree was inaccurate with his responses? Thanks for your input as you take a run at predicting injuries too.   

Geez man, I guess reading comprehension isn't for everyone. Let me try this again: Read. The. Whole. Reply.

If you read his whole reply and still think he's agreeing with the guy who said he's inaccurate then I can't help you. Nobody can help you.

 

[bostonfred]

Thanks ninja.  

 

[Mavis]

Geez man, I guess reading comprehension isn't for everyone. Let me try this again: Read. The. Whole. Reply.

If you read his whole reply and still think he's agreeing with the guy who said he's inaccurate then I can't help you. Nobody can help you.

I agree, it isnt for everyone. As you failed to see his remarks were to a guy who called him inaccurate, he then got upset because he was called innacurate and then agreed with every point saying "You're right, yes and yes" while making his spin of excuses. Im not interested into his excuses or yours, they are just inaccurate justifications for your angle, nothing will change how innaccurate you two are. 

Heading into this thread I have no investment one way or another but looking for info - Who to trust? Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred, Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred? Decision, decisions. I will consider him as a WR2 in redraft.

Eagles coach Doug Pederson listed Alshon Jeffery among the players who stood out during OTAs.

 

[bostonfred]

I will consider him as a WR2 in redraft.

That sounds about right. In redraft if he busts it sucks but it's recoverable.   The running backs In the same range have their share of risk too. In dynasty his price is a little high right now because if he does well you have a relatively wr1 entering his prime.  But if he busts and you give multiple firsts for him it could set you back a couple years.    

 

[Hawkeye21]

I agree, it isnt for everyone. As you failed to see his remarks were to a guy who called him inaccurate, he then got upset because he was called innacurate and then agreed with every point saying "You're right, yes and yes" while making his spin of excuses. Im not interested into his excuses or yours, they are just inaccurate justifications for your angle, nothing will change how innaccurate you two are. 

Heading into this thread I have no investment one way or another but looking for info - Who to trust? Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred, Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred? Decision, decisions. I will consider him as a WR2 in redraft.

He didn't agree.  You didn't understand how he was responding, him saying yes was just reaffirming his original post and not agreeing with the other guy.  I don't agree with his assessment of Jeffery either but I understood his response and you are not correct.

 

[Mavis]

That sounds about right. In redraft if he busts it sucks but it's recoverable.   The running backs In the same range have their share of risk too. In dynasty his price is a little high right now because if he does well you have a relatively wr1 entering his prime.  But if he busts and you give multiple firsts for him it could set you back a couple years.    

I sure hope no one is giving multiple firsts for him, one though is about fair. 

 

[FF Ninja]

I agree, it isnt for everyone. As you failed to see his remarks were to a guy who called him inaccurate, he then got upset because he was called innacurate and then agreed with every point saying "You're right, yes and yes" while making his spin of excuses. Im not interested into his excuses or yours, they are just inaccurate justifications for your angle, nothing will change how innaccurate you two are. 

Heading into this thread I have no investment one way or another but looking for info - Who to trust? Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred, Head coach Pederson or FFNinja and BostonFred? Decision, decisions. I will consider him as a WR2 in redraft.

Bostonfred already said he wasn't agreeing. I read it to say he wasn't agreeing. Hawkeye read it to say he wasn't agreeing. Only Mavis read his post and somehow came away thinking BF was agreeing. Really, man, stop digging that hole. Read it again. If you honestly read it all the way through and think he's agreeing then you might have some oxygen deprivation going on or something.

And good work digging up some coach speak! I can't believe the coach is praising their highest paid WR that they just signed. That is a really strong indication of an upcoming great fantasy season. Everybody know that. I think I heard something similar about ASJ. Better go scoop him up, too! And I'm impressed that you are going out on a limb there, based on that key intel. I mean, his redraft ADP is high-end WR2 and you are predicting... WR2. Wow.

FWIW, I think if he stays healthy he'll get around 120 targets and put up WR2 numbers. But I think there are cheaper guys who will get 120 targets and I don't trust him to stay healthy. His soft tissue injury history does not tell the tale of someone who will age well: http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/injury-predictor/player/25755

 

[bostonfred]

I sure hope no one is giving multiple firsts for him, one though is about fair. 

Yup. It sound like we agree. I think the rest of this is probably just a misunderstanding.  Let's not pollute the thread with an unnecessary argument. 

 

[Mavis]

Bostonfred already said he wasn't agreeing. I read it to say he wasn't agreeing. Hawkeye read it to say he wasn't agreeing. Only Mavis read his post and somehow came away thinking BF was agreeing. Really, man, stop digging that hole. Read it again. If you honestly read it all the way through and think he's agreeing then you might have some oxygen deprivation going on or something.

And good work digging up some coach speak! I can't believe the coach is praising their highest paid WR that they just signed. That is a really strong indication of an upcoming great fantasy season. Everybody know that. I think I heard something similar about ASJ. Better go scoop him up, too! And I'm impressed that you are going out on a limb there, based on that key intel. I mean, his redraft ADP is high-end WR2 and you are predicting... WR2. Wow.

FWIW, I think if he stays healthy he'll get around 120 targets and put up WR2 numbers. But I think there are cheaper guys who will get 120 targets and I don't trust him to stay healthy. His soft tissue injury history does not tell the tale of someone who will age well: http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/injury-predictor/player/25755

 

[FF Ninja]

 

[Mavis]

 

[FF Ninja]

Mavis gets called out by 3 people for not being able to read, yawns in response. The hallmark of a good poster.

 

[Mavis]

Mavis gets called out by 3 people for not being able to read, yawns in response. The hallmark of a good poster.

No, I just have zero value for your opinion. I thought I was clear earlier. However, you continue to respond to me. You act like being called out by others means I am wrong, no, just means 3 others were wrong and I am still correct. Feel free to respond, nothing you will say will change my mind, nothing. I value your opinion so little that if you told me water was wet, I would have to double check. I have been able to see your previous remarks, you are a conformer, very little outside thinking, you go along with whats popular. very little value to your opinion in my eyes. 

 

[FF Ninja]

No, I just have zero value for your opinion. I thought I was clear earlier. However, you continue to respond to me. You act like being called out by others means I am wrong, no, just means 3 others were wrong and I am still correct. Feel free to respond, nothing you wills ay will change my mind, nothing. I value your opinion so little that if you told me water was wet, I would have to double check. I have been able to see your previous remarks, you are a conformer, very little outside thinking, you go along with whats popular. very little value to your opinion in my eyes. 

Someone who can't read has zero value for my opinion. I'm so hurt.

Also,   @ the bolded. So bonstonfred just doesn't realize that he actually agrees with the guy he thinks he disagrees with?? Hahaha.

Finally, if I was a conformer, riddle me this: why would I post negative things about Alshon in a thread titled "Official Alshon Jeffery Bandwagon"?

(I know you're confused by that question, so I'll help you out: conforming would be agreeing with the bandwagon.)

 

[Mavis]

Someone who can't read has zero value for my opinion. I'm so hurt.

Also,   @ the bolded. So bonstonfred just doesn't realize that he actually agrees with the guy he thinks he disagrees with?? Hahaha.

Finally, if I was a conformer, riddle me this: why would I post negative things about Alshon in a thread titled "Official Alshon Jeffery Bandwagon"?

(I know you're confused by that question, so I'll help you out: conforming would be agreeing with the bandwagon.)

 

 

[Hawkeye21]

The problem with never being able to admit when your wrong is the it completely discredits you.  How is anyone to every take your opinion seriously?  A valuable poster is one that can provide solid input and also admit when he's wrong.  I'll give you credit for being persistent though.

 

[Mavis]

The problem with never being able to admit when your wrong is the it completely discredits you.  How is anyone to every take your opinion seriously?  A valuable poster is one that can provide solid input and also admit when he's wrong.  I'll give you credit for being persistent though.

  When you become a valuable poster instead of a bitter one, you can critique me. I'll give you credit for trying though. 

To think, this discussion can be about Jeffery and stop being about your anger and bitterness to my opinion anytime you guys decide not to respond or quote me. Also, your first response was an angry one about my opinion, sorry your Monday (Not Tuesday, lol) is off to a rough one. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

  When you become a valuable poster instead of a bitter one, you can critique me. I'll give you credit for trying though. 

To think, this discussion can be about Jeffery and stop being about your anger and bitterness to my opinion anytime you guys decide not to respond or quote me. Also, your first response was an angry one about my opinion, sorry your Tuesday is off to a rough one. 

Not sure why you feel I'm bitter as I was just trying to clarify things on here.  I haven't had any issues with your opinions on Jeffery but your opinion on what another poster said was just incorrect and that's why I decided to comment on it.  Also, it's Monday and it's been a pretty good one actually.

 

[Mavis]

Not sure why you feel I'm bitter as I was just trying to clarify things on here.  I haven't had any issues with your opinions on Jeffery but your opinion on what another poster said was just incorrect and that's why I decided to comment on it.  Also, it's Monday and it's been a pretty good one actually.

I had to work yesterday and was off Friday, had my weekend messed up, see, that I can admit I was wrong on. 

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9RmL1KMlXTE/UfNfh-Lwl9I/AAAAAAAACK0/dEsxDmBHq_I/s1600/someone+wrong+on+internet.png

 

[Faust]

Reunited with Alshon Jeffery, position coach projects return to form for WR

 

[FF Ninja]

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=howe_ajeffery_spot17

 

[-OZ-]

 this page is epic.  Well, one guy really, but funny nonetheless. 

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=howe_ajeffery_spot17

interesting read.  I guess "His new quarterback might be awful." is right as it's within the realm of possibility, but more likely IMO is Wentz ascends to be an above average starter with time and experience.  

I sold Alshon last year and couldn't be happier about that trade but I do think AJ can be the second best WR to join a new team this year. (Decker being my top pick) but he has to stay healthy. 

 

[FF Ninja]

 this page is epic.  Well, one guy really, but funny nonetheless. 

interesting read.  I guess "His new quarterback might be awful." is right as it's within the realm of possibility, but more likely IMO is Wentz ascends to be an above average starter with time and experience.  

I sold Alshon last year and couldn't be happier about that trade but I do think AJ can be the second best WR to join a new team this year. (Decker being my top pick) but he has to stay healthy. 

Yeah, it was pretty   for a while. It was like, BF: 2+2=4, Mavis: haha, 2+2=5, FFN: no, use your fingers... 2=1+1, thus 1+1+1+1=4, Mavis: 

But yeah, I'm not buying that Wentz is not good (although I don't expect a huge jump in YPA), but I thought the article had some good points about target share as well as the likelihood that Pederson finds a way to throw the ball less than last year. PFF projected them to have the best OL in the league and they just signed Blount. There's even talk of keeping Ryan Mathews around. I could definitely see a 10% drop in total passes, although with all these weapons, I won't be shocked if they approach 600 again. For projection purposes, I'd go with 560.

The author's math was a bit off about the 3.2% with Jordan Matthews, though. He was using percentages of WR targets then he talked about all targets. The 3.2% should not be out of 600 PA, it should be more like 300 PA (WRs got 302 targets last year). 

I didn't realize that Jeffery was behind White on targets through the first four weeks and only mildly ahead of Eddie Royal. 

 

[Ilov80s]

If he stays on the field he will have the best stat year he has ever had.  A really good young QB and a def that will give up points.  Philly secondary is still garbage.  They are going to have to score.  Jordan Mathews is going to play the slot and become the third or fourth option.  My guess is it's Jeffery and ertz leading the team in rec, yards and TDS. I think Smith will have some big games as well but will be really inconsistent.  Matthews will take a huge drop in production and will be off the team next year.

Is he really good though?

Is he even that young? (j/k, sort of

 

[-OZ-]

Is he really good though?

time will tell.  I want to believe in his first month (I don't have him anywhere and am not an Eagles fan yet I want Wentz to do well), but he fell off big time afterwards.  

 

[need2know]

Is he really good though?

Is he even that young? (j/k, sort of

Yes I think he is.  He had total garbage around him last year.

 

[Pwingles]

DLF has his june startup adp at 29th overall, just behind KA, Baldwin, Landry. Just ahead of D Adams, Jordy, Diggs.

For sure dont want him more than the guys ahead of him, and not super sure I want him more than the 3 guys just behind him

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes I think he is.  He had total garbage around him last year.

I will give you that, it was an ugly group of skill players- maybe the worst in the NFL?

 

[need2know]

I will give you that, it was an ugly group of skill players- maybe the worst in the NFL?

It got even worse half way through when lane Johnson got suspended and the line fell apart.  Don't forget he didn't get off season prep to be the starter.  They traded Bradford right before and he was essentially thrown in with the ones with only preseason to really get ready

 

[need2know]

I will give you that, it was an ugly group of skill players- maybe the worst in the NFL?

The wrs and rbs were bottom 5 for sure.  They have improved a great deal

 

[CentralPA]

time will tell.  I want to believe in his first month (I don't have him anywhere and am not an Eagles fan yet I want Wentz to do well), but he fell off big time afterwards.  

Yes I think he is.  He had total garbage around him last year.

Not to highjack the Alshon thread with a Carson Wentz article but with these post I think reading this IgglesBlitz blog post concerning Wentz may help shine a little more light on him.  I'm optimistic the Eagles have a franchise QB and a very good one.  He just needs to work out technique.

As for Alshon, simply put, he can have a WR 1 year if he can stay healthy.  But that is a coin flip at best.  Not sure why he always gets soft tissue injuries but he does.  Seems like he does a pretty good job of maintaining his body in the off season but his hamstrings just seem to nag him consistently.  It's a gamble but I have him in a 3 keeper dynasty and I am hoping for the best.