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That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.
Why do they have good records?Because they have been beating up on weak competition in their division.

Thanks for making my argument for me.
I see. So if you have a great W/L record it actually means you are a bad team because obviously you've been beating up on bad teams. By this logic the NL West should be the best division in baseball. :lmao:

Look at it this way. The club with the best record in the AL Least is only one game better than the second-place club in the AL Central.
BPG, I really question your analytical skills. W/L record by itself does not mean a damn thing. You need to take a look at the competition and decipher from there what it means.

The White Sox are a good team, are they the best team in baseball? I have my doubts.

But just because they have the best record does not make them a World Series team. When you see that they have a bunch of wins against bad Central Division teams, you have to at least be able to say to yourself that maybe they are not as good as their record.

The wildcard may not come out of the AL East but that doesn't make it a bad divison. Its tough to pad your record when you face good competition almost every series.

 
I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.But I guess their record against weak central teams is the end all. Certainly they must be a better team. Such flawed logic BGP. You are a fool.

 
I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.

But I guess their record against weak central teams is the end all. Certainly they must be a better team.

Such flawed logic BGP. You are a fool.
:lmao: :own3d:

 
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That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.
Why do they have good records?Because they have been beating up on weak competition in their division.

Thanks for making my argument for me.
I see. So if you have a great W/L record it actually means you are a bad team because obviously you've been beating up on bad teams. By this logic the NL West should be the best division in baseball. :lmao:

Look at it this way. The club with the best record in the AL Least is only one game better than the second-place club in the AL Central.
BPG, I really question your analytical skills. W/L record by itself does not mean a damn thing. You need to take a look at the competition and decipher from there what it means.

The White Sox are a good team, are they the best team in baseball? I have my doubts.

But just because they have the best record does not make them a World Series team. When you see that they have a bunch of wins against bad Central Division teams, you have to at least be able to say to yourself that maybe they are not as good as their record.

The wildcard may not come out of the AL East but that doesn't make it a bad divison. Its tough to pad your record when you face good competition almost every series.
This sounds suspiciously like the argument against the 1999 Rams. All the "experts" bashed them, saying they only had HFA because they played the softest schedule in the NFL that year. No one ever gave them any respect. But they still went the distance.So you are trying to create some imaginary reason that the White Sox record is deceptive along similar lines. Strength of schedule is a bogus reason to discount a club. I don't buy it and neither should anyone else.

 
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I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.

But I guess their record against weak central teams is the end all. Certainly they must be a better team.

Such flawed logic BGP. You are a fool.
:lmao: :own3d:
Number of playoff series the 2005 Twins and 2005 Red Sox have won: 0.What happened in the past is with different clubs. Trying to use that to make a case here just shows how weak your argument is. :lmao:

 
And for the millionth time:No club can consistently beat other good clubs. The path to the playoffs IS to clobber the bad teams. The White Sox are doing what they need to do. They are taking care of business. The Red Sox are NOT taking care of business as evidenced by their 3-8 record against the Blue Jays.To disparage the White Sox for their record against bad clubs demonstrates that you have no understanding of how MLB works.

 
In 2001, the Seattle Mariners had the best record in baseball (inquite some time, mind you) 116-46. The Yanks finished 95-65 that year. In the playoffs, the Yanks beat Seattle 4-1. Overall records could be a bit deceiving. Much like Chicago this year. Ken Williams NEEDs to acquire another SP and another bat if they are to beat the Yanks or Sox in the playoffs.

 
In 2001, the Seattle Mariners had the best record in baseball (inquite some time, mind you) 116-46.  The Yanks finished 95-65 that year.  In the playoffs, the Yanks beat Seattle 4-1.  Overall records could be a bit deceiving.  Much like Chicago this year.  Ken Williams NEEDs to acquire another SP and another bat if they are to beat the Yanks or Sox in the playoffs.
:goodposting: BGP has no clue of how to measure one team against another.

Put the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, and A's in one division, put the Orioles, Indians, Royals, and Mariners in the other. I can just about guarantee that the WC will not come out of the first group, yet BGP would argue that whoever has the WC is a better team than the first group

HIGHLY FLAWED

Stick to gold and predator / prey studies, dude

 
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I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.
I believe the Twins beat the A's in 2002.
 
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.

And you want to actually say the AL Least is 10x the division the Central is? :lmao:
Theres no denying that the central has played better so far. But if there was a bet where you had to pick one division from the AL that would represent the AL in the world series, I guarantee you that most people would pick the East. The White Sox have very little postseason experience, and the Twins and A's have had poor showings recently in the postseason. Only the Angels one WS appearance saves either of the other 2 divisions. Come October, the East is the most feared- no doubt about that.
 
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.
Why do they have good records?Because they have been beating up on weak competition in their division.

Thanks for making my argument for me.
I see. So if you have a great W/L record it actually means you are a bad team because obviously you've been beating up on bad teams. By this logic the NL West should be the best division in baseball. :lmao:

Look at it this way. The club with the best record in the AL Least is only one game better than the second-place club in the AL Central.
BPG, I really question your analytical skills. W/L record by itself does not mean a damn thing. You need to take a look at the competition and decipher from there what it means.

The White Sox are a good team, are they the best team in baseball? I have my doubts.

But just because they have the best record does not make them a World Series team. When you see that they have a bunch of wins against bad Central Division teams, you have to at least be able to say to yourself that maybe they are not as good as their record.

The wildcard may not come out of the AL East but that doesn't make it a bad divison. Its tough to pad your record when you face good competition almost every series.
This sounds suspiciously like the argument against the 1999 Rams. All the "experts" bashed them, saying they only had HFA because they played the softest schedule in the NFL that year. No one ever gave them any respect. But they still went the distance.So you are trying to create some imaginary reason that the White Sox record is deceptive along similar lines. Strength of schedule is a bogus reason to discount a club. I don't buy it and neither should anyone else.
You are isolating one example. For every 1999 Rams, there are 3 or 4 2003 Chiefs or 2001 Bears- teams that played well above their heads in the regular season mainly due to getting all of the breaks and playing a weak schedule and then lost immediately in the playoffs.
 
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I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.

But I guess their record against weak central teams is the end all.  Certainly they must be a better team.

Such flawed logic BGP. You are a fool.
:lmao: :own3d:
Number of playoff series the 2005 Twins and 2005 Red Sox have won: 0.What happened in the past is with different clubs. Trying to use that to make a case here just shows how weak your argument is. :lmao:
While I agree that the early 90s teams have no bearing on this years' teams, you'd be foolish to suggest that how the past few years' teams(who have many of the same players still there now) has no effect on this year's team. Experience winning breeds confidence.
 
,Jul 25 2005, 11:57 AM]

I will also add that is ridiculous how you are anointing the Twins as a better team than the Yankees or Red Sox when the Twins have not won a playoff series since 1991.

But I guess their record against weak central teams is the end all. Certainly they must be a better team.

Such flawed logic BGP. You are a fool.
:lmao: :own3d:
Number of playoff series the 2005 Twins and 2005 Red Sox have won: 0.What happened in the past is with different clubs. Trying to use that to make a case here just shows how weak your argument is. :lmao:
While I agree that the early 90s teams have no bearing on this years' teams, you'd be foolish to suggest that how the past few years' teams(who have many of the same players still there now) has no effect on this year's team. Experience winning breeds confidence.
I've seen that work all kinds of ways:1. Some teams experience winning and that gives them the needed confidence to succeed in the future.

2. Some teams experience winning and then they get complacent and underperform in future years.

3. Some teams don't experience winning, never gain needed confidence, and never realize their potential.

4. Some teams don't experience winning, but live for the thrill of being an underdog, and succeed in that role.

 
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That's okay. Orioles don't want to screw around with the MLB Postseason anyways... it's just a crapshoot
has the bet now changed to reflect the outside chance that the Orioles actually make the playoffs. Something like three lines of smack in the sig vs. one?
Bet never happened because he wouldn't just make a $ bet. Wanted to make a sig bet which I don't do.
 
5 games out of the wildcard.  They were awesome in April though.
Bandwagoner jcegdhwlxuj may show up at some point during the off-season.
bandwagoner?Yeah, I'm such a bandwagoner since I only root for team from Maryland and DC and since I even started an O's thread last season when they were terrible....do you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your statement?

 
Orioles make their moves to help make their move

by Peter Schmuck

As unlikely it seemed just a couple of weeks ago, the pennant chase is officially on at Camden Yards and the Baltimore Orioles are in a perfect position to make their move on the Toronto Blue Jays.

They're a streaky team that could start streaking in another direction any day, but the events of the past week or so have only strengthened the Orioles. From the decision to release beleaguered first baseman Glenn Davis to the trade for pennant-stretch veteran Lonnie Smith to the string of tough losses suffered by the first-place Toronto Blue Jays, the Orioles are back in the race.

"A lot of things are going our way right now," says pitcher Ben McDonald, who has been one of the architects of the late-season comeback. "We're getting clutch hitting and good pitching. We've been a streaky team, but hopefully we can end this thing real strong."

The next week should be crucial. The Orioles are in the middle of a nine-game road trip that pits them next against the Milwaukee Brewers, they of the worst record in the A.L. East, and then the Cleveland Indians, who have lost seven of 10 to the Orioles this year.

What more can a contending club ask for? The Orioles play two teams they own a combined 14-6 record against this year before coming home to close out the season with a nine-game stand that includes seven games against the Blue Jays and New York Yankees.

"Things definitely look good right now," first baseman David Segui says. "Hopefully,, this run of bad luck for (Toronto) and good luck for us will keep up for a while. Hopefully, we can get ahead so we won't have to worry about who beat who. Everybody's confidence is soaring right now, but there's still a long way to go. You don't want to get carried away."

There will be no better way to top off a pennant race than the October 1-3 series that has Toronto at Baltimore.

"It looks like that final series in Baltimore will be even more significant now," Toronto's Pat Borders says. "Of course, everyone would like to win it a couple of weeks beforehand, but I'd like to be going into that series with the option of winning it there. If we have that option, I like our chances."

The Orioles have not made the splashy acquisitions that have characterized the Blue Jays' recent late-season runs, but they have picked up two players - Mike Pagliarulo and Smith - this year who know what to do when the season is on the fine. Pagliarulo, who played on the 1991 Minnesota Twins World Series champions, has played a big role in the club's recent turnaround.

The presence of Pagliarulo, Smith and postseason veterans Harold Baines and Rick Sutcliffe should steady an otherwise youthful Orioles club.

"If I was going to do something, I'd want somebody who has been there before," Pagliarulo says. "I don't know if you could prove it on paper as far as those things working out, but this organization has a plan. They have a good chance of doing it. If you have players who have been through it, it might make it a little easier.

"Sometimes, you don't know how guys are going to act at crunch time. There are some guys who act real good and (Smith) is one of them."

The acquisition of Smith could turn out to be pivotal, since it gives the club a veteran hitter who has proved he can handle pennant race pressure. He has appeared in 63 postseason games during his 15-year career. Though he won't be eligible for postseason play with the Orioles, that experience could play very large during the final weeks of play.

Smith has appeared in five World Series for four different teams. He went down the stretch with the pennant-winning Atlanta Braves the past two years.

"His experience will really pay off," Manager Johnny Oates says. "From what I've been told, it will pay off even if he doesn't go to the plate, because of his presence in the clubhouse."

In spite of all the positive developments of the past few days, the Orioles still will have to overcome one major personnel loss if they are to win the division title. Reliever Gregg Olson remains on the sidelines with a sore elbow at a time when a veteran stopper could mean everything to a contending team.

There still is the possibility that he will return before the end of the season, but Oates has resigned himself to using his three setup men - Alan Mills, Todd Frohwirth and Jim Poole - to hold the late innings together the rest of the way.

"This might be the only division you can win with 80 wins," Blue Jays Manager Cito Gaston says. "The Yankees could feel frustrated at not gaining ground when we've played so poorly, but then they could feel as fortunate as we do. If we don't lose the leads we did in the last two weeks, then they might be three or four back.

"They should also consider themselves like we do - lucky to be where they are.

 
Orioles make their moves to help make their move

by Peter Schmuck

As unlikely it seemed just a couple of weeks ago, the pennant chase is officially on at Camden Yards and the Baltimore Orioles are in a perfect position to make their move on the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Man O's pitchers really need to learn to either put the glove up or duck.... First Ponson gets hit with a shot up the middle and now Cabrerra..

 
The O's are done.

Its not even August.
It probably won't happen but there's at least a small chance that the Devil Rays will finish ahead of this team. Rays are 8-2 in their last 10 games; O's are 1-9 and well on their way to losing another tonight. Clearly the teams are heading in opposite directions at least right now. Rays will be 12 games behind with about two months to make up the difference.
 
Orioles fun facts:-- 2-15 in past 17 games-- 3 runs or less in 12 of 17-- Outscored 98-53 overallThey had 1 run on 13 hits tonight.

 
Out of curiousity, what is the Orioles payroll this year? Is it anywhere close to the Yankees 200 million or the Red Sox 120 million?

 

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