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O's drop out of first place for the first time since April 23. Hate to blame injuries, but its tough to go without your best pitcher for over a month and lose your best hitter for a few weeks as well during that time and expect to stay in first. Although I guess the Sox losing Schilling is comparable.

Should be a good race.
Define raceO's won't be within 5 come September
I think the O's will finish in first, but obviously both of our opinions are biased, so theres no real point in us having such a discussion.
Yeah, that discussion would be to relevent to what's happening in baseball today.Why don't you go find a thread about the AL East pennant race from 2004 and bump it up for everyone to read again.
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I think the O's will finish in first, but obviously both of our opinions are biased, so theres no real point in us having such a discussion.
LOL JWV.You are definately a Homer. How come when Homer discussions come up on this board, your name isn't in the mix.

The Orioles are toast. They will hang around for a little while but its painfully obvious that they don't have the pitching to go far.
Of course, I'm a homer. But I do know when I'm being totally homerish(like picking the Wizards to beat the Heat), and I'm not doing that here. I definitely think the O's have a shot. Let me ask you something:Right now the O's have gotten to where they're at(in first place for months and 1/2 game out now) with the 17th ranked pitching and the 4th ranked offense. You claim that they don't have the pitching to go far, but that hasn't stopped them so far! Its not like the O's are pitching way over their heads and are due for a fall- they are the 17th ranked pitching team in the majors! So if that is good enough to get them to where they're at now, then why would you expect them to suddenly fall off? Do you really not think that their pitching is good enough to be 17th?

Thats the thing! I keep hearing how the O's are just playing above their heads and theres no way that it will hold up. But other than Roberts and Bedard breaking out this year(two young players entering their primes who don't appear to be falling off anytime soon) what exactly hasn't been such a surprise to you? And why do you think they can't keep it up? If anything, I would think that they would only improve once Bedard gets back.

 
But other than Roberts and Bedard breaking out this year(two young players entering their primes who don't appear to be falling off anytime soon)
Brian Roberts Monthly Splits:MAR/APR: .379 AVG / .726 SLG / 8HR

MAY: .358 AVG / .569 SLG / 3HR

JUNE: .315 AVG / .444 SLG / 1HR

His OBP has fallen from .450 to a very pedestrian .350 (Career .343)

His SLG has fallen from .726 to a very pedestrian .444 (Career .395)

His AVG has fallen from .379 to a above average .315 (Career .278)

Roberts is reverting to the medians... he'll still have a career year but he will not perform at his MAR/APR levels for the rest of the season.... likely somewhere around .310 / 7HR in the 2nd half.

Bedard is certainly a solid young pitcher, but he's not logged enough innings yet. He's never thrown over 130 innings in his career and his reliability down the stretch of a full season is certianly unproven. In his first full season his ERA was 4.50 or so..... I don't doubt he's improved but I'd be surprised to see him pitch better than 3.50 ball the rest of the way. (Currently 2.08)

 
I don't think the O's win the East either, but one thing ike and JTC are ignoring, is that they have the pieces in the organization to make a big deal or two in july.I don't think the Sox or Yanks are going to have that same ability. That will certainly give the O's a push into contention for the Wild-Card at least. They certainly have a good enough offense, and a pretty stable bullpen. If they can get a decent starter or two, they'll be looking good.

 
I don't think the O's win the East either, but one thing ike and JTC are ignoring, is that they have the pieces in the organization to make a big deal or two in july.

I don't think the Sox or Yanks are going to have that same ability. That will certainly give the O's a push into contention for the Wild-Card at least. They certainly have a good enough offense, and a pretty stable bullpen. If they can get a decent starter or two, they'll be looking good.
The sox have plenty of pieces to deal for help before the break... Payton's on the block and with Hanley Ramirez, Kelly Shoppach, Dustin Pedrioa, Robert Pentagne etc in the minors we have the pieces needed to make a deal. HOPEFULLY we won't do anything for the sake of getting new blood as guys like Hanley Ramirez should be kept in-house. There have been many reports in both Boston and San Fran that Boston is negotiating agressively for Jason Schmidt. Getting another starter would solve several problems...

1) It would give a backup plan in the event that Schilling isn't back 100%, or that Miller or Wells get hurt again.

and more importantly:

2) If Schilling comes back, then the Sox could move Arroyo AND Wakefield to the pen, shoring up the pen issues since Wake and Bronson both can throw every other day and have shown to be effective in relief.

I'd say odds are against it but I'd love to see us head into the 2nd half with a rotation of Schilling, Schmidt, Clement, Wells, Miller :thumbup:

It will be an interesting race, possibly one of the best in some time.... but Boston's heavily homegame-laden schedule in the final month and change leads me to believe that the Sox will be tough to pass if they are in first come Aug 15th.

 
I don't think the Sox or Yanks are going to have that same ability.
That's not true. The Sox have plenty of talent to deal, its just a question what they will be willing to trade. This management is very careful of finding the right deal and I don't think they will give up too many blue chip prospects to get Schmidt, although I could be wrong. You know the Giants will ask for a lot and there are going to be a lot of teams looking for starting pitching so I am inclined to think Theo will let someone else make the trade for him.

The Sox farm system is in good form right now though. Much better than it has been in the past so they have the prospects to pull something off if they want to.

I agree with your assessment of the Yankees.

 
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Let's not forget that adding Schilling at the All Star Break is just like a trade acquisition since they really haven't had him until this point.I think the Sox are in good shape for a stretch run and wouldn't be surprised if they added another big piece to help.

 
I don't think the Sox or Yanks are going to have that same ability.
That's not true. The Sox have plenty of talent to deal, its just a question what they will be willing to pay.The Sox farm system is in good form right now though. Much better than it has been in the past so they have the prospects to pull something off if they want to.

I agree with your assessment of the Yankees.
I think you guys are overstating how good some of these guys are...and you don't even mention your best prospect, Brandon Moss.To get Schmidt, it would probably take Ramirez or Moss. I can't imagine Theo doing that, although he may.

The other guys you mention ike are ok, but none of them really show up on too many top-100 lists.

http://www.baseballnotebook.com/essay.asp?...%20AL%20Hitters

http://www.theminorsfirst.com/tmf100/tmf100(2005).html

I guess they have the resources to deal, every team really does in some regards...but it would take one of their top-2 to land Schmidt. Is that really likely?

 
I think you guys are overstating how good some of these guys are...and you don't even mention your best prospect, Brandon Moss.

To get Schmidt, it would probably take Ramirez or Moss. I can't imagine Theo doing that, although he may.

The other guys you mention ike are ok, but none of them really show up on too many top-100 lists.

http://www.baseballnotebook.com/essay.asp?...%20AL%20Hitters

http://www.theminorsfirst.com/tmf100/tmf100(2005).html

I guess they have the resources to deal, every team really does in some regards...but it would take one of their top-2 to land Schmidt. Is that really likely?
Well that's what I am saying too. Yes, you are right the Giants are going to demand a blue chip prospect or two for Schmidt and they will get it from somebody. The Sox have the players to make the deal but I don't think Theo will overpay either.Arroyo could be in the mix too if they plan to add a front line starter. Arroyo and Shoppach, Arroyo and Pedroia? That might get them what they want without dealing Hanley Ramirez.

 
The Sox also have Youkilis that they can package if they want. Capella, I think you are understating a bit the combo of things that Theo can come up with to acquire something.

 
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The Sox also have Youkilis that they can package if they want.

Capella, I think you are understating a bit the combo of things that Theo can come up with to acquire something.
no, I realize they CAN trade one of the blue-chippers to make a deal. I just don't think they will.The rest of the guys aren't going to excite too many GMs into making a deal for a stud. That's all I'm saying...and the shine is off of Youkilis.

Although I suppose if they got Arrojo into a deal, that would push things further along. Never thought that was a consideration though.

 
The other guys you mention ike are ok, but none of them really show up on too many top-100 lists.
While we agree that Boston likely won't have any major deals going down this year, I want to throw out that they ARE actively marketingnot only Jay Payton but also Robero Petagine down at AAA. He's a Left Handed *** league stud with a gold glove at 1st. While *** league success doesn't always translate into the MLB, he's certainly not hurting his case with his AAA stats12HR - 10 doubles - .331AVG - .436OBP - .676SLG

What's even better is his pitch selection is great (only 26 K's to go with 26 BBs... a very impressive 1-1 ratio).

Oh...and those stats up there were reached in 150 ABs... less than HALF as many as the league leaader (18)

THE ONLY REASON Boston is looking to move him is he has a clause in his contract that he can seek a full-time deal back in Japan in 2 weeks if he's not in the bigs. Not 100% sure he'd exercise that but I'd be surprised if he'd stay with Both Olerud and Millar in front of him. Boston would like to see SOME return on their (albeit small) investment on this guy....

This guy can hit :thumbup:

 
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Is the shine really off Youkilis? He has looked good so far in his limited at bats with the Sox. Francona should have been playing him more but he has a weird fascination with Millar and he will not sit him even through his worst streaks. I realize he is not ever gonna be a superstar but he should be getting more PT.I agree that Youkilis by himself may not be that attractive but certainly in combo with someone else he could be. He is a decent player at a low salary, there are definately things to like.

 
Is the shine really off Youkilis? He has looked good so far in his limited at bats with the Sox. Francona should have been playing him more but he has a weird fascination with Millar and he will not sit him even through his worst streaks. I realize he is not ever gonna be a superstar but he should be getting more PT.

I agree that Youkilis by himself may not be that attractive but certainly in combo with someone else he could be. He is a decent player at a low salary, there are definately things to like.
sure there are, I just don't think he's the future all-star that many had him pegged for a few years ago.there was a lot of hype on this guy back in 2003 that has really died down, for whatever number of reasons.

ike>not sure exactly what you're expecting back for Jay Payton buddy.

 
Not to tout everyone in the Sox system but since it seems like we are heading there. The Sox have two good pitching prospects in AA, Jon Lester and Jon Papelbone.Capella, those lists you put out are a little outdated seeing that some of those prospects are already in MLB.

 
ike>not sure exactly what you're expecting back for Jay Payton buddy.
IT's not just Jay Payton. The point JTC and I are trying to get across is they have a LOT of cards to play IF something materialized. A guy like Jay Payton plays everyday in half to two thirds of all MLB clubs. Factor in the large amount of young talent, and likely some cash to throw at the wall if it was critical (although I'd rather stay away from that). Not saying they're going to make a big move... just that if a door opens they have the wherewithal to walk through if they were so inclined.

 
Capella, those lists you put out are a little outdated seeing that some of those prospects are already in MLB.
one was dated 1/1/05 and the other was from 12/04...there's plenty of other lists out there, those are just two of the sites I like best.I wouldn't consider them outdated at all.

And yes, the Sox system is in far better shape now than it was a few years ago.

 
I think the O's will finish in first, but obviously both of our opinions are biased, so theres no real point in us having such a discussion.
LOL JWV.You are definately a Homer. How come when Homer discussions come up on this board, your name isn't in the mix.

The Orioles are toast. They will hang around for a little while but its painfully obvious that they don't have the pitching to go far.
Of course, I'm a homer. But I do know when I'm being totally homerish(like picking the Wizards to beat the Heat), and I'm not doing that here. I definitely think the O's have a shot. Let me ask you something:Right now the O's have gotten to where they're at(in first place for months and 1/2 game out now) with the 17th ranked pitching and the 4th ranked offense. You claim that they don't have the pitching to go far, but that hasn't stopped them so far! Its not like the O's are pitching way over their heads and are due for a fall- they are the 17th ranked pitching team in the majors! So if that is good enough to get them to where they're at now, then why would you expect them to suddenly fall off? Do you really not think that their pitching is good enough to be 17th?

Thats the thing! I keep hearing how the O's are just playing above their heads and theres no way that it will hold up. But other than Roberts and Bedard breaking out this year(two young players entering their primes who don't appear to be falling off anytime soon) what exactly hasn't been such a surprise to you? And why do you think they can't keep it up? If anything, I would think that they would only improve once Bedard gets back.
Brian Roberts is hitting .357. You don't think that will fall off? Even if it doesn't, think about what you're saying. Fourth in offense and 17th in pitching is usually not a formula for the playoffs. Yes, they've won a lot of games so far, but doesn't that mean they've overachieved their statistical production a little? Would you really pick team X to continue to win with a good but not the best offense and a middle of the road pitching staff if you weren't a fan of them?

Compare what you're saying to a player who has won twenty straight times with AA. That's a very good starting hand. And with such a good starting hand, he probably should win a lot. But is that player somehow more likely to win with AA next time? No. It's no more likely that he'll continue to beat the odds than it is for the Os to continue to win games with middle of the road pitching.

That's no indictment of the team - what they've done so far is impressive and there's a lot of character on that ball club. In fact, if anything, I'm rooting for them to win the wild card behind the Sox. But to do it, I think the Orioles would have to statistically improve to make the playoffs.

I don't think the offense is going to get better - it seems to me like pretty much everyone but Sosa has played over their heads so far. And barring an acquisition, I don't think the pitching's going to get much better either, although getting Bedard back may help them get back on a win streak.

One way or the other it's going to be an interesting pennant race, and they've played some great baseball so far. As a baseball fan I hope you're right and they do keep it up. But as a betting man I just think they're going to cool off in the second half.

 
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But other than Roberts and Bedard breaking out this year(two young players entering their primes who don't appear to be falling off anytime soon)
Brian Roberts Monthly Splits:MAR/APR: .379 AVG / .726 SLG / 8HR

MAY: .358 AVG / .569 SLG / 3HR

JUNE: .315 AVG / .444 SLG / 1HR

His OBP has fallen from .450 to a very pedestrian .350 (Career .343)

His SLG has fallen from .726 to a very pedestrian .444 (Career .395)

His AVG has fallen from .379 to a above average .315 (Career .278)

Roberts is reverting to the medians... he'll still have a career year but he will not perform at his MAR/APR levels for the rest of the season.... likely somewhere around .310 / 7HR in the 2nd half.
Bumped to support bostonfred's point that Baltimore's offensive players have been playing a bit over their heads and are reverting to the norms....If nothing else changes and Schilling comes back and contributes moderately (at about 75%, winninig 6 games in the 2nd half) I'd say Baltimore finishes about 5-6 games back from Boston. Realistically it might a little closer to that but I feel comfortable with that estimate.

 
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I think the O's will finish in first, but obviously both of our opinions are biased, so theres no real point in us having such a discussion.
LOL JWV.You are definately a Homer. How come when Homer discussions come up on this board, your name isn't in the mix.

The Orioles are toast. They will hang around for a little while but its painfully obvious that they don't have the pitching to go far.
Of course, I'm a homer. But I do know when I'm being totally homerish(like picking the Wizards to beat the Heat), and I'm not doing that here. I definitely think the O's have a shot. Let me ask you something:Right now the O's have gotten to where they're at(in first place for months and 1/2 game out now) with the 17th ranked pitching and the 4th ranked offense. You claim that they don't have the pitching to go far, but that hasn't stopped them so far! Its not like the O's are pitching way over their heads and are due for a fall- they are the 17th ranked pitching team in the majors! So if that is good enough to get them to where they're at now, then why would you expect them to suddenly fall off? Do you really not think that their pitching is good enough to be 17th?

Thats the thing! I keep hearing how the O's are just playing above their heads and theres no way that it will hold up. But other than Roberts and Bedard breaking out this year(two young players entering their primes who don't appear to be falling off anytime soon) what exactly hasn't been such a surprise to you? And why do you think they can't keep it up? If anything, I would think that they would only improve once Bedard gets back.
Brian Roberts is hitting .357. You don't think that will fall off? Even if it doesn't, think about what you're saying. Fourth in offense and 17th in pitching is usually not a formula for the playoffs. Yes, they've won a lot of games so far, but doesn't that mean they've overachieved their statistical production a little? Would you really pick team X to continue to win with a good but not the best offense and a middle of the road pitching staff if you weren't a fan of them?

Compare what you're saying to a player who has won twenty straight times with AA. That's a very good starting hand. And with such a good starting hand, he probably should win a lot. But is that player somehow more likely to win with AA next time? No. It's no more likely that he'll continue to beat the odds than it is for the Os to continue to win games with middle of the road pitching.

That's no indictment of the team - what they've done so far is impressive and there's a lot of character on that ball club. In fact, if anything, I'm rooting for them to win the wild card behind the Sox. But to do it, I think the Orioles would have to statistically improve to make the playoffs.

I don't think the offense is going to get better - it seems to me like pretty much everyone but Sosa has played over their heads so far. And barring an acquisition, I don't think the pitching's going to get much better either, although getting Bedard back may help them get back on a win streak.

One way or the other it's going to be an interesting pennant race, and they've played some great baseball so far. As a baseball fan I hope you're right and they do keep it up. But as a betting man I just think they're going to cool off in the second half.
The O's have only had two players play "above their heads" and one of them is hurt so he doesn't even count. Yes, Roberts is playing amazing, but I really don't expect him to fall off too much. And considering that they've had major injury problems, have a wealth of trade prospects, are very well coached(especially pitching), are relatively young, and have had some players underperforming who could only get better....I don't forsee why they would drop off. All I'm saying is that they'll continue to play just as well as they have been playing- I really don't think thats too much of a reach.
 
Yes, Roberts is playing amazing, but I really don't expect him to fall off too much.
Have you even looked at the monthly splits I've posted? He's reverted very sharply to career medians. Still more power than in the past but not even CLOSE to what we saw in MAR/APR or even MAY
 
I hope if the sox do decide to make a move they dont move any of there top 3 pitching prospects in Sanchez, Papelbon or Lester. I also doubt they move Hanley or Pedoria. There most glaring need is RP and top 5 or 6 prospects dont get moved for those guys in my opinion.And moss is not the best prospect...he is in the 4-6 range I would imagine. He started off the year cold but has heated up over the month so far.

 
I don't think the Sox or Yanks are going to have that same ability.
That's not true. The Sox have plenty of talent to deal, its just a question what they will be willing to pay.The Sox farm system is in good form right now though. Much better than it has been in the past so they have the prospects to pull something off if they want to.

I agree with your assessment of the Yankees.
I think you guys are overstating how good some of these guys are...and you don't even mention your best prospect, Brandon Moss.To get Schmidt, it would probably take Ramirez or Moss. I can't imagine Theo doing that, although he may.

The other guys you mention ike are ok, but none of them really show up on too many top-100 lists.

http://www.baseballnotebook.com/essay.asp?...%20AL%20Hitters

http://www.theminorsfirst.com/tmf100/tmf100(2005).html

I guess they have the resources to deal, every team really does in some regards...but it would take one of their top-2 to land Schmidt. Is that really likely?
Moss is not our best prospect.Dustin Pedroia is.

 
big win for the O's last night- coming back from 4-1 down to the Yankees and winning in 10 on a walk off HR by Roberts....they've just gone through their first real tough stretch of the season and even lost first place, so how they respond now will be a big test of how good this team really is in my opinion. Hopefully that stretch is over with.

 
R.I.P.  Baltimore Orioles.  If only...(fill in blank)...they coulda been a contender.
:goodposting: Showing their true colors now, will be lucky to be less than 10 out come August

currently riding a 2-8 slump
3/4 from the Red Sox, J Lopez coming back soon, Bedard coming back soon, probably will be in the trade market to improve.....just keep writing this team off fellas. The O's have outplayed the Yanks and Red Sox heads up this season, and they continue to do it. I'm still confident in my bunch of slei
 
Bedard comes back and still has his ace stuff- a scoreless outing for him in his first start in two months! This guy is a legit ace imo, and the O's are legit. To all of those doubters- they're currently tied for the WC and .5 games out of 1st in the East.....they've battled through injuries and a slump like good teams do.

 
Bedard comes back and still has his ace stuff- a scoreless outing for him in his first start in two months! This guy is a legit ace imo, and the O's are legit. To all of those doubters- they're currently tied for the WC and .5 games out of 1st in the East.....they've battled through injuries and a slump like good teams do.
Yeah so have the Yanks....losing 4 starters and still climbing to the top of the standings is a Herculean task. I think the O's are making the right move in trying to get Burnett though.....
 
jeez..."ouch" is right.I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.

 
Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Let;s not get carried away nowThe day the Rays sweep the defending World Series Champs, is the day the world stops turning

 
jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.

 
The real key to any season is that you MUST clobber the bums.So when we see that the Red Sox are getting blasted by the Blue Jays, what that tells us is that the Red Sox are pretenders.

 
jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
 
jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
To me, the AL East is rubbish.However, one of you guys are going to back into a playoff spot. Its just as likely to be the Orioles as anyone.

 
jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
To me, the AL East is rubbish.However, one of you guys are going to back into a playoff spot. Its just as likely to be the Orioles as anyone.
lol, most people diagree with you. best division

 
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jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
To me, the AL East is rubbish.However, one of you guys are going to back into a playoff spot. Its just as likely to be the Orioles as anyone.
lol, most people diagree with you. best division
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
 
jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
To me, the AL East is rubbish.However, one of you guys are going to back into a playoff spot. Its just as likely to be the Orioles as anyone.
lol, most people diagree with you. best division
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
:lmao: :tinfoilhat:
 
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jeez..."ouch" is right.

I'm still optimistic with the Yanks and Sox not doing much either lately, but this isn't a good sign at all. But with Lopez coming back, Bedard already back in top form, Ponson probably going to SD, and possibly Burnett(big "if" there), I feel like we can still contend.

The Rays have now swept the O's and Yanks, right? Would be funny if they swept the Sox the next time they played.
Few people seem to understand that no one, not even the best clubs, can consistently beat other good clubs. You are seeing this in spades once again this year. Good club A clobbers good club B in a 3 game series and everyone says "Oh Club A is the best team we can see that now" Then the next time Club A plays another good club they get hammered.Let's look at the Orioles. They dropped 3 of 4 at home to the Indians then got swept 0-2 vs the Yankees. Then they turn around and take 3 of 4 from the Red Sox. Oh, and then they drop 2 of 3 to the Twins.

Let's look at the Red Sox. They sweep the Indians and Phillies on the road and their fans get stupid. Then they turn right around and drop 2 of 3 at home to the Indians and then 3 of 4 at the Orioles, and then 3 of 4 at home to the Yankees. Then they play better and split at the White Sox.

Up and down. Every year we see the same thing. But few pay any attention.
It's indeed a marathon season, not a sprint. Usually a bad idea to run your mouth a whole lot until things are more set in stone.....unless it's about a team with no chance like the O's. :P
To me, the AL East is rubbish.However, one of you guys are going to back into a playoff spot. Its just as likely to be the Orioles as anyone.
lol, most people diagree with you. best division
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
:lmao: :tinfoilhat:
Seriously, I don't know if the AL East is the best Division. With the exception of Seattle, the AL West looks pretty good right about now. The NL East is very competitive top to bottom too. But again, that "East Coast Bias" :rolleyes: .
 
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).

 
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.

And you want to actually say the AL Least is 10x the division the Central is? :lmao:

 
That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.
Why do they have good records?Because they have been beating up on weak competition in their division.

Thanks for making my argument for me.

 
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That just goes to show you how the AL East gets way too much coverage in the press.
The AL East is 10x the division that the AL Central is. The Blue Jays who you think are a bad team are better than Cleveland, Detroit and KC. I would love to be able to pad my record all season against AL Central teams. Unfortunately that is not the case as the entire AL East is competative. Yes entire, the Devil Rays have proven they can be competitive when they want to be. You cannot say the same about the Royals (and just because the Indians had problems with them does not make them competitive).
Oh PLEASE.The AL Central has merely housed:

1. The club with the best record in baseball in 2005 in the White Sox.

2. The current wild card leader who also has been the wild card for most of 2005 in the Twins.
Why do they have good records?Because they have been beating up on weak competition in their division.

Thanks for making my argument for me.
I see. So if you have a great W/L record it actually means you are a bad team because obviously you've been beating up on bad teams. By this logic the NL West should be the best division in baseball. :lmao:

Look at it this way. The club with the best record in the AL Least is only one game better than the second-place club in the AL Central.

 

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