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Is it just my perception, or has the democratic race become more polite, less bitter and destructive in the past few weeks than at any point over the last several months?I wonder if the dem leaders had a sit down with clinton and obama talking about toning down their rhetoric for the good of the party.
I think some of its also the fact that Clinton is digging her own grave as far as Obama is concerned nationally. He's more than willing to let her be on the defensive with all the Tuzla, Penn, exaggeration stuff. He doesn't have to atttack her at all and she basically can't attack him since she has to counter the "fudging" meme that's been developing. It also helps that the whole Wright controvesy hasn't really stuck to him (at least with his supporters).The narrative's also switched in the media to more that Obama is portrayed as all but inevitable as people figure out the math and the superdelegate movement. Having said that I still expect her to win PA by 10-15 points and portray herself as right back in the race only to be killed in NC by an even wider margin in May (for whatever reason while the white old female vote works for her in PA its not working nearly as well in NC or at least that's what my mom is saying as all her friends prefer Obama).
 
Is it just my perception, or has the democratic race become more polite, less bitter and destructive in the past few weeks than at any point over the last several months?I wonder if the dem leaders had a sit down with clinton and obama talking about toning down their rhetoric for the good of the party.
there has been a calm, i think. however, with about 5 weeks gap between primaries before PA, it's understandable. it will ramp up leading up to the PA primary. i think that primary's aftermath will be awfully tense because HRC will have to make some decisions.i do think the open dialogue within the Party has helped keep things civil. with this 5 week window, everyone has had a chance to take a minute and collect their thoughts. lots of talk about how HRC can end her campaign gracefully. lots of talk about how the handwriting is on the wall. lots of talk about protecting the party. barack's rhetoric has been expansive and focused on the national election.
 
Is it just my perception, or has the democratic race become more polite, less bitter and destructive in the past few weeks than at any point over the last several months?I wonder if the dem leaders had a sit down with clinton and obama talking about toning down their rhetoric for the good of the party.
there has been a calm, i think. however, with about 5 weeks gap between primaries before PA, it's understandable. it will ramp up leading up to the PA primary. i think that primary's aftermath will be awfully tense because HRC will have to make some decisions.i do think the open dialogue within the Party has helped keep things civil. with this 5 week window, everyone has had a chance to take a minute and collect their thoughts. lots of talk about how HRC can end her campaign gracefully. lots of talk about how the handwriting is on the wall. lots of talk about protecting the party. barack's rhetoric has been expansive and focused on the national election.
:popcorn:Its only a matter of days before the next kitchen sink is thrown at Obama by the HRC campaign
 
In today's Rasmussen Poll, John McCain has moved to yet another largest-ever lead over Barack Obama. McCain has cracked open a double-digit lead and moved over 50% with a 51%-41% lead over the Illinois senator. So the fall of Obama in the polls continues. How far will his racist comments and alignment with a racist church sink him? We still don't know.
I'm sure you were getting around to posting it but the latest rasmussen poll shows McCain's lead to just 2%.
 
In today's Rasmussen Poll, John McCain has moved to yet another largest-ever lead over Barack Obama. McCain has cracked open a double-digit lead and moved over 50% with a 51%-41% lead over the Illinois senator. So the fall of Obama in the polls continues. How far will his racist comments and alignment with a racist church sink him? We still don't know.
I'm sure you were getting around to posting it but the latest rasmussen poll shows McCain's lead to just 2%.
Actually, he did post that info yesterday.
 
2 radically different PA polls out today:

Rasmussen:

48 C

43 O

Survey USA:

56 C

38 O

SUSA seems to be an outlier with all the other polling data.

 
A good article on Obama's campaign so far and what's to come:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9436.html

Obama's happy, drama-free appeal

By: Roger Simon

April 8, 2008 06:40 AM EST

In the days and weeks ahead, the Barack Obama campaign is going to pose a simple question to the undecided voters and undeclared superdelegates who will decide the Democratic nomination for president: If Hillary Clinton can’t run a good primary campaign, how is she ever going to run a good campaign against the Republicans?

And while she says she is ready from Day One to be president, she is at something like Day 430 into being a presidential candidate and her campaign seems to be going from bad to worse to train wreck.

Mark Penn, who just got booted as her chief strategist, is only the latest problem in a campaign that has been heavy on drama and light on results.

“None of these folks have ever run anything, other than Hillary running a health care task force,” David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, told me Monday. “But these campaigns are big, complicated, pressure-filled enterprises, and it is an important proving ground.”

The Obama campaign is going to tell voters it is proving itself every day. It says it had a calm and deliberate strategy that it has executed well: Win Iowa (I will write more about this in my next column) and then aggregate delegates.

“Mark [Penn] said, ‘This is about delegates,’” Axelrod said. “But to get them, you have to compete for them in caucuses and primaries. We had an army of eager and willing volunteers in every state, and we were able to rally and marshal them.”

Penn is a master of identifying subsets within the electorate. He wrote a book called “Microtrends” and talked about such things as “Archery Moms” and “Impressionable Elites” and “Caffeine Crazies.”

But Obama has openly derided the “slicing and dicing” of the electorate and has concentrated on one major theme: change. He promises to change the way Washington works.

Clinton has a theme, too: experience. She knows how Washington works. But there is a built-in downside to that.

“In a year when people are rightly jaundiced about the ways of Washington, a strategy that has at its core that you are the ultimate Washington insider seemed ill-conceived to me,” Axelrod said.

Three months ago, I wrote there was a risk in Clinton’s having Penn as both her pollster and top strategist. “There is a natural tendency for someone who holds both positions to say the strategy can’t be wrong because the polling can’t be wrong,” I wrote. “And sometimes you need a strategist who is willing to say, ‘I don’t care what the damn polling says, we need to try something different.’”

Penn was not that person. And the Clinton campaign never really tried anything different. Clinton did show a little human emotion in New Hampshire, a state she narrowly won, but then she went back to being an issues machine.

And then there was her vote for the war in Iraq. I don’t care what Penn’s polling showed; Clinton’s refusal to say that her vote was a mistake and apologize for it has seriously hurt her with activist Democrats, those who vote in primaries and especially those who turn out in caucuses.

Axelrod told me that at a meeting in January 2007, a few weeks before Obama announced his candidacy, Obama assembled his top staff and laid down three “predicates” for the campaign.

“First, it was to be a campaign based on grass-roots politics,” Axelrod said. “Second, there was to be no drama, that we were all on the same team. And third, the campaign should be joyful. That has really happened.”

Axelrod is not, to put it mildly, a neutral observer. And I imagine the Obama campaign has not been all that joyful during the Jeremiah Wright controversy. (A controversy that, I believe, we have not heard the last of.)

But when you are ahead in delegates and behind in drama, it is a lot easier to have a smile on your face.

“It is real hard to win a campaign if everybody is unhappy every day,” Axelrod said.

OK, so the Obama campaign is happy and the Clinton campaign is not. So what?

“You can tell a lot about a candidate by the campaign they run,” Axelrod said.

And this is the pitch the Obama campaign is going to make in the weeks ahead, especially to those superdelegates who are still on the fence: Obama has run a good primary campaign, which is a sign that he will run a good general election campaign, and then a good presidency. Clinton, the Obama campaign will say, cannot make the same argument.

“Hillary is a bad manager,” a senior Obama aide told me. “Does it really look like she could deal with the Republicans?”

“I am not in any way declaring victory,” Axelrod said. “One of the Clinton campaign’s biggest mistakes was they declared victory months before the campaign began. But these campaigns are a test not just of a candidate’s managerial skills but how they handle the vicissitudes of the process. It is a good barometer.”
 
I think you forgot to bold perhaps the best part of that entire article. The last paragraph shows why Axelrod (and Obama's entire CAMPAIGN) has been stronger than Penn (and Clinton's campaign). Clinton's people came in expecting to win and set cruise control from Day 1. Obama's people came in expecting to fight and laid the groundwork from Day 1. When this thing hit February 6th, the dividends were enormous.

 
I think you forgot to bold perhaps the best part of that entire article. The last paragraph shows why Axelrod (and Obama's entire CAMPAIGN) has been stronger than Penn (and Clinton's campaign). Clinton's people came in expecting to win and set cruise control from Day 1. Obama's people came in expecting to fight and laid the groundwork from Day 1. When this thing hit February 6th, the dividends were enormous.
Yep.
 
A couple of interesting tidbits from First Read:

*** The Keystone downpayment: Both Dem campaigns are airing a number of new TV ads in Pennsylvania (nine new ones just yesterday). Indeed, per TV ad tracker Evan Tracey, Obama is spending $300,000 a day in the state. The sheer volume is a reminder that both campaigns realize there really isn't any way to waste money on the air in this state. Why? Because it's a downpayment for the fall campaign. Democrats, obviously, are divided on whether this elongated primary season is good for their party. But in the case of being able to introduce themselves to voters in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, it has been a positive. Most of the TV ads are basically positives for both of them, meaning it would be a shock if both candidates didn't see a polling benefit in match-ups with McCain in this state over the next few weeks.*** A North Carolina blowout? Seriously, the two Dem gubernatorial candidates in North Carolina are fighting over who supports Obama more. In fact, one candidate (Richard Moore) is using paid advertising to tout his Obama support. Maybe we should stop pretending North Carolina is going to be competitive; it's not. The problem now for Clinton is what will the delegate count and popular vote count look like after May 6 if North Carolina is a blowout for Obama -- and if Clinton wins narrowly in Pennsylvania and Indiana. Will Obama net more delegates out of North Carolina than Clinton nets out of Pennsylvania and Indiana combined (if she wins them both)? Will Obama's popular vote lead actually grow after North Carolina, because his win there is bigger than hypothetical combined Clinton victories in PA and IN? This is the dilemma for Clinton's campaign in the Tar Heel State. It may be unwinnable, but campaigning seriously in the state and attempting to close the gap is an absolute must because of the state's potential effect on delegates and total votes.
 
A couple of interesting tidbits from First Read:

*** A North Carolina blowout? Seriously, the two Dem gubernatorial candidates in North Carolina are fighting over who supports Obama more. In fact, one candidate (Richard Moore) is using paid advertising to tout his Obama support. Maybe we should stop pretending North Carolina is going to be competitive; it's not. The problem now for Clinton is what will the delegate count and popular vote count look like after May 6 if North Carolina is a blowout for Obama -- and if Clinton wins narrowly in Pennsylvania and Indiana. Will Obama net more delegates out of North Carolina than Clinton nets out of Pennsylvania and Indiana combined (if she wins them both)? Will Obama's popular vote lead actually grow after North Carolina, because his win there is bigger than hypothetical combined Clinton victories in PA and IN? This is the dilemma for Clinton's campaign in the Tar Heel State. It may be unwinnable, but campaigning seriously in the state and attempting to close the gap is an absolute must because of the state's potential effect on delegates and total votes.
I saw my first Hillary tv ad last night, here in North Carolina. It was emphasizing her wanting to have a conversation with the residents of the state, and she was dropping city names left and right, throughout the entire ad. It came across as very personal.Obama's ads have been playing here for a couple weeks and have been portraying Obama as a rock star and cultural phenomenon. It's a very odd contrast.
 
A couple of interesting tidbits from First Read:

*** A North Carolina blowout? Seriously, the two Dem gubernatorial candidates in North Carolina are fighting over who supports Obama more. In fact, one candidate (Richard Moore) is using paid advertising to tout his Obama support. Maybe we should stop pretending North Carolina is going to be competitive; it's not. The problem now for Clinton is what will the delegate count and popular vote count look like after May 6 if North Carolina is a blowout for Obama -- and if Clinton wins narrowly in Pennsylvania and Indiana. Will Obama net more delegates out of North Carolina than Clinton nets out of Pennsylvania and Indiana combined (if she wins them both)? Will Obama's popular vote lead actually grow after North Carolina, because his win there is bigger than hypothetical combined Clinton victories in PA and IN? This is the dilemma for Clinton's campaign in the Tar Heel State. It may be unwinnable, but campaigning seriously in the state and attempting to close the gap is an absolute must because of the state's potential effect on delegates and total votes.
I saw my first Hillary tv ad last night, here in North Carolina. It was emphasizing her wanting to have a conversation with the residents of the state, and she was dropping city names left and right, throughout the entire ad. It came across as very personal.Obama's ads have been playing here for a couple weeks and have been portraying Obama as a rock star and cultural phenomenon. It's a very odd contrast.
I don't watch much local TV, so I don't know how the ad wars are going in Indiana - but I do know that the Clintons (all 3 of them) have hit the entire state hard - especially in the smaller towns. If I had to guess the results in Indiana - I'd put the line at a Clinton 6 point win - and it could be higher.
 
I think you forgot to bold perhaps the best part of that entire article. The last paragraph shows why Axelrod (and Obama's entire CAMPAIGN) has been stronger than Penn (and Clinton's campaign). Clinton's people came in expecting to win and set cruise control from Day 1. Obama's people came in expecting to fight and laid the groundwork from Day 1. When this thing hit February 6th, the dividends were enormous.
he really had a 50 state strategy in place. it's going to be a casebook study for years to come.
 
The American Postal Workers Union has endorsed Barack Obama for president. The APWU is the world's largest postal union, representing over 330,000 USPS employees and retirees, as well as nearly 2,000 private-sector mail workers.From the APWU release...

The National Executive Board of the American Postal Workers Union has voted unanimously to endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president. “Sen. Obama’s message is one of hope and change,” said union President William Burrus. “His message is special, and the timing is right.” “We are most impressed by Sen. Obama’s commitment to eradicating the undue influence of special interests in the political process,” he said. “Our current political system does not allow for the voices of average citizens to be heard over the demands of lobbyists and big-money campaign contributors. “Sen. Obama has vowed to change that, and his campaign has flourished through the participation of new voters and small contributors,” Burrus said. “We believe he will be a president who will strongly represent the interests of working Americans.” “His ability to bring new participants into our nation’s democratic process – to get young people involved, and to persuade ordinary citizens that they have a real stake in politics – is an inspiration.” “We are pleased to endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president of the United States, and we will commit our energy and efforts to help him win the White House.”
 
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic put his prognosticator hat on and listed his Top 5 choices for Obama's Veep:

Here we go -- the Ambinder Shortlists, based mostly on educated guesswork and as many conversations as one reporter can reasonably have. I have excluded from these lists candidates I consider -- based on reporting -- to be implausible. These lists will change as the information changes. ....

Sen, Barack Obama

1. vacant. Just to be provocative, I'll throw out Joe Biden's name. His hidden asset is his connection with white, working class voters. His obvious asset is his foreign policy experience and.

The rest:

#. Ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) -- he has powerful allies in Obama's inner circle; Midwestern credentials; government know-how; credibility with white working class voters;

#. Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ) -- Obama really likes her.

#. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) -- his donors will pressure Obama; Dodd and Obama have become close friends

# Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) -- the narrative would be awesome

# Chuck Hagel (R-NE) -- Hagel himself seems to want Obama to ask him to join the ticket.
It's interesting that there's no mention of Bill Richardson. I was an early supporter of Webb, but as I've said here before, Webb himself said he's not interested and I don't like the idea of losing his Virginia Senate seat.I think Biden is more in line with SecState. I've heard he wants that bad but have not heard of him being discussed for Veep. Chuck Hagel is ridiculous. This isn't going to be the "Unity" ticket. I can see Obama asking some Republicans to be in his cabinet, but not to be his Vice.

I really like the idea of Napolitano. By asking a woman to serve, he'll heal a lot of the wounds felt by Clinton supporters without actually asking her to serve. And Napolitano could help in the Southwest, which is going to be a key area.

 
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic put his prognosticator hat on and listed his Top 5 choices for Obama's Veep:

Here we go -- the Ambinder Shortlists, based mostly on educated guesswork and as many conversations as one reporter can reasonably have. I have excluded from these lists candidates I consider -- based on reporting -- to be implausible. These lists will change as the information changes. ....

Sen, Barack Obama

1. vacant. Just to be provocative, I'll throw out Joe Biden's name. His hidden asset is his connection with white, working class voters. His obvious asset is his foreign policy experience and.

The rest:

#. Ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) -- he has powerful allies in Obama's inner circle; Midwestern credentials; government know-how; credibility with white working class voters;

#. Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ) -- Obama really likes her.

#. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) -- his donors will pressure Obama; Dodd and Obama have become close friends

# Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) -- the narrative would be awesome

# Chuck Hagel (R-NE) -- Hagel himself seems to want Obama to ask him to join the ticket.
It's interesting that there's no mention of Bill Richardson. I was an early supporter of Webb, but as I've said here before, Webb himself said he's not interested and I don't like the idea of losing his Virginia Senate seat.I think Biden is more in line with SecState. I've heard he wants that bad but have not heard of him being discussed for Veep. Chuck Hagel is ridiculous. This isn't going to be the "Unity" ticket. I can see Obama asking some Republicans to be in his cabinet, but not to be his Vice.

I really like the idea of Napolitano. By asking a woman to serve, he'll heal a lot of the wounds felt by Clinton supporters without actually asking her to serve. And Napolitano could help in the Southwest, which is going to be a key area.
It isn't going to be Biden (too much of a loose cannon and a liability on the trail), or Hagel (he's a Republican). I'm inclined to think it won't be Dodd; he's too liberal, doesn't provide any special balance to the ticket, and doesn't bring any states into play that Obama couldn't carry on his own. Daschle sort of makes sense from an ideological ticket-balancing standpoint. He also adds some experience to the ticket, like Cheney in 2000.

I've always thought that Jim Webb was a bit of buffoon, but I haven't followed him closely. He'd make for an interesting choice at least in terms of geograghy.

I know nothing about Napolitano. It seems odd to pick a VP from the same state as the POTUS nominee from other party.

 
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Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic put his prognosticator hat on and listed his Top 5 choices for Obama's Veep:

Here we go -- the Ambinder Shortlists, based mostly on educated guesswork and as many conversations as one reporter can reasonably have. I have excluded from these lists candidates I consider -- based on reporting -- to be implausible. These lists will change as the information changes. ....

Sen, Barack Obama

1. vacant. Just to be provocative, I'll throw out Joe Biden's name. His hidden asset is his connection with white, working class voters. His obvious asset is his foreign policy experience and.

The rest:

#. Ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) -- he has powerful allies in Obama's inner circle; Midwestern credentials; government know-how; credibility with white working class voters;

#. Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ) -- Obama really likes her.

#. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) -- his donors will pressure Obama; Dodd and Obama have become close friends

# Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) -- the narrative would be awesome

# Chuck Hagel (R-NE) -- Hagel himself seems to want Obama to ask him to join the ticket.
It's interesting that there's no mention of Bill Richardson. I was an early supporter of Webb, but as I've said here before, Webb himself said he's not interested and I don't like the idea of losing his Virginia Senate seat.I think Biden is more in line with SecState. I've heard he wants that bad but have not heard of him being discussed for Veep. Chuck Hagel is ridiculous. This isn't going to be the "Unity" ticket. I can see Obama asking some Republicans to be in his cabinet, but not to be his Vice.

I really like the idea of Napolitano. By asking a woman to serve, he'll heal a lot of the wounds felt by Clinton supporters without actually asking her to serve. And Napolitano could help in the Southwest, which is going to be a key area.
Actually, if Obama wants to keep his message of reaching consensus alive during the general, this would be a good idea. Obama really won't be able to continue that narrative going against McCain.That being said, I don't know much about Hagel other than he's been a vocal critic of the Iraq War, which is enough for me to like him.

 
I'd personally love to see Hagel, but IK is probably right. He won't pick a republican. Biden is definitely too much of a loose cannon.

Don't mind the Daschle pick. Too much midwestern bias?

I still think Bill Richardson would be ideal.

 
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The American Postal Workers Union has endorsed Barack Obama for president. The APWU is the world's largest postal union, representing over 330,000 USPS employees and retirees, as well as nearly 2,000 private-sector mail workers.From the APWU release...

The National Executive Board of the American Postal Workers Union has voted unanimously to endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president. “Sen. Obama’s message is one of hope and change,” said union President William Burrus. “His message is special, and the timing is right.” “We are most impressed by Sen. Obama’s commitment to eradicating the undue influence of special interests in the political process,” he said. “Our current political system does not allow for the voices of average citizens to be heard over the demands of lobbyists and big-money campaign contributors. “Sen. Obama has vowed to change that, and his campaign has flourished through the participation of new voters and small contributors,” Burrus said. “We believe he will be a president who will strongly represent the interests of working Americans.” “His ability to bring new participants into our nation’s democratic process – to get young people involved, and to persuade ordinary citizens that they have a real stake in politics – is an inspiration.” “We are pleased to endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president of the United States, and we will commit our energy and efforts to help him win the White House.”
Does this mean our mail carriers in Pennsylvania and the remaining states will conveniently misplace any Hillary mailers? :coffee:
 
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic put his prognosticator hat on and listed his Top 5 choices for Obama's Veep:

Here we go -- the Ambinder Shortlists, based mostly on educated guesswork and as many conversations as one reporter can reasonably have. I have excluded from these lists candidates I consider -- based on reporting -- to be implausible. These lists will change as the information changes. ....

Sen, Barack Obama

1. vacant. Just to be provocative, I'll throw out Joe Biden's name. His hidden asset is his connection with white, working class voters. His obvious asset is his foreign policy experience and.

The rest:

#. Ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) -- he has powerful allies in Obama's inner circle; Midwestern credentials; government know-how; credibility with white working class voters;

#. Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ) -- Obama really likes her.

#. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) -- his donors will pressure Obama; Dodd and Obama have become close friends

# Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) -- the narrative would be awesome

# Chuck Hagel (R-NE) -- Hagel himself seems to want Obama to ask him to join the ticket.
It's interesting that there's no mention of Bill Richardson. I was an early supporter of Webb, but as I've said here before, Webb himself said he's not interested and I don't like the idea of losing his Virginia Senate seat.I think Biden is more in line with SecState. I've heard he wants that bad but have not heard of him being discussed for Veep. Chuck Hagel is ridiculous. This isn't going to be the "Unity" ticket. I can see Obama asking some Republicans to be in his cabinet, but not to be his Vice.

I really like the idea of Napolitano. By asking a woman to serve, he'll heal a lot of the wounds felt by Clinton supporters without actually asking her to serve. And Napolitano could help in the Southwest, which is going to be a key area.
Admittedly I don't pay that much attention to state politics here in Arizona, but i'm not all that impressed with our governer Napolitano. I think he can do much better.
 
Assuming he goes the governor route:

all democratic governors

State Governor Next Election Year

Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano 2010

Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe 2010

Colorado Governor Bill Ritter 2010

Delaware Governor Ruth Ann Minner 2008

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich 2010

Iowa Governor Chet Culver 2010

Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius 2010

Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear 2011

Maine Governor John Baldacci 2010

Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley 2010

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick 2010

Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm 2010

Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer 2008

New Hampshire Governor John Lynch 2008

New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine 2009

New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson 2010

New York Governor David Paterson 2010

North Carolina Governor Mike Easley 2008

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland 2010

Oklahoma Governor Brad Henry 2010

Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski 2010

Pennsylvania Governor Edward G. Rendell 2010

Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen 2010

Virginia Governor Tim Kaine 2009

Washington Governor Chris Gregoire 2008

West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin III 2008

Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle 2010

Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal 2010

Territory Governor Next Election Year

American Samoa Governor Togiola Tulafono 2008

Puerto Rico Governor Aníbal Acevedo Vilá 2008

U.S. Virgin Islands Governor John deJongh 2010

 
wish it was 40000 x $25...Thats more in my budget right now :lmao:

On a related note, anyone want to rent a completely renovated house in Jacksonville FL? :mumblesexpletivestoself:
Don't feel bad.My budget is about 88 cents.

That's why I'm doing the phone calls and stuff. I can't contribute anything financially, so I'll use my silver tongue to convince the unwashed masses why my guy is the best. Even though he's colored, he's still good!

Call your local Obama people and volunteer your time. But make sure you specify what you want to do...I inadvertently spent two days moving furniture and hooking up computers...apparently they decided to take advantage of the goon factor and the geek factor at the same time.

 
wish it was 40000 x $25...Thats more in my budget right now :kicksrock:

On a related note, anyone want to rent a completely renovated house in Jacksonville FL? :mumblesexpletivestoself:
Don't feel bad.My budget is about 88 cents.

That's why I'm doing the phone calls and stuff. I can't contribute anything financially, so I'll use my silver tongue to convince the unwashed masses why my guy is the best. Even though he's colored, he's still good!

Call your local Obama people and volunteer your time. But make sure you specify what you want to do...I inadvertently spent two days moving furniture and hooking up computers...apparently they decided to take advantage of the goon factor and the geek factor at the same time.
My budget is about 36 cents more than yours, but right on my unwashed brother.The phone calls actually seem to make a difference, and they are pretty much free if you have a cell phone. If you volunteer and make it clear that you have no $ upfront their (meaning campaigns in general) attitude changes dramatically, but not necessarily in a bad way and I like to think that my time makes up for my lack of funds.

I have only been eligible to vote in four presidential elections so I may be naive and inexperienced, but this is the most crucial election in my admittedly short political lifetime. It is worth the time.
Four presidential elections? So you're around 33 or so? I wouldn't exactly call that inexperienced...
 
Bill Clinton backed down Friday after reviving his wife’s exaggerated account of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged late last month that she had misspoken when she said on more than one occasion that she had landed under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia. The controversy surrounding the story had died down until the former president brought it back Thursday when he tried to defend his wife’s mistake.

Clinton accused the media of treating his wife like “she’d robbed a bank” for confusing the facts. But in retelling the story, the former president added his own inaccuracies to the account.

On Friday, Bill Clinton said he would no longer talk about the Bosnia trip.

“Hillary called me and said, ‘You don’t remember this, you weren’t there. Let me handle it.’ And I said ‘Yes ma’am,’” the former president said as he visited the scene of a campaign office that burned down in Terre Haute, Ind.

Homer>Hi

 
David Friedman's comments on Austan Goolsbee:

A pretty good economist

I have been reading webbed articles by Austan Goolsbee, widely described as Barack Obama's economic advisor. Most of them are pretty good; he's obviously a real economist in the Chicago style, someone who sees economics as a powerful and exciting tool for explaining the world. And he generally favors markets, incentives, and the like.

On the other hand ... . Take a look at his Slate piece on the American health care system. It takes the form of a critique of Michael Moore's proposals but includes Goolsbee's own views of what is wrong and what should be done about it. He writes:

Economists call this "adverse selection" and when there is too much adverse selection—when the health of the people in the uninsured pool is extremely different from the average person in the country—the market may fail completely. Insurance companies may just deny people coverage entirely.

This is a problem at the core of our health care woes. Moore finds scores of examples—people with tumors, heart problems, lost limbs and digits, you name it. And in each case the insurance company finds a way to deny paying for people's illness even though the people actually have health insurance. He also shows people who simply cannot get insurance because they have pre-existing conditions, are too heavy, are too light, and on and on.

Without any rules against cream-skimming, the insurance companies have every incentive to keep dumping the sick people—often retroactively, after they become sick.

This confuses several different issues. One is the failure to enforce insurance contracts, with the result that the insurer who has lost his bet fails to pay off. That may be a serious problem but it has nothing to do with adverse selection or cream skimming.That case aside, the argument is simply wrong. Insurance companies free to set the price of what they sell have no incentive to avoid insuring people who are bad risks. They can make money insuring good risks at good risk prices and bad risks at bad risk prices.

Adverse selection, as Goolsbee surely knows, requires asymmetric information—a situation where one party to a transaction has information the other does not. If the customer knows more about his health than the insurance company then the decision to buy insurance will be taken as a signal that the purchaser is a worse than average risk, insurance companies will price accordingly, and people who know they are good risks but cannot prove it will be unwilling to buy good risk insurance at a bad risk price. That is the standard problem of adverse selection in insurance and it is the precise opposite of cream skimming. The bad risks end up insured—at a bad risk price—and the good risks uninsured. In Ackerlof's famous sketch of the problem, set in the used car market, lemons sell, cream puffs don't.

All of this assumes that insurers are free to set their prices. Suppose instead that they are required to charge the same price to everyone, or at least restricted in ways that prevent them from charging bad risks the true cost of insuring them. In that situation it will indeed be in the interest of the insurance companies to try to avoid insuring bad risks—to skim the cream off the top. But the problem there is produced not by the market but by price control. The solution is to eliminate the restriction.

What does Goolsbee propose?

Addressing cream-skimming is at the heart of every responsible program for U.S. health-care reform .... These plans take aim at "pooling," for example, by allowing insurance companies to insure an entire state or region as a whole in exchange for serving everyone in that pool—no dropping, no denials, no shenanigans.

For the requirement that the insurance company serve everyone in the pool to have any teeth, it must include restrictions on the prices insurance companies can charge to those they serve. So Goolsbee's solution to a problem created by price control is—unless I badly misread him—price control.There is, of course, another problem in the background—but one that has nothing to do with adverse selection. Someone with bad health will, on a free market, end up paying more for health care, directly or through insurance, than someone with good health. Many people, quite possibly including Goolsbee, see that as a bad thing that we should do something about. But it is not a problem that insurance can be expected to solve. Once the dice—for bad health or anything else—have been rolled, it is too late to bet on them.

Unless I am missing something, the analysis in that particular piece is simply bad economics, including the misuse of a technical term that the author surely understands. Nonetheless, my reading of Goolsbee's work leaves me more, not less, favorably inclined to Obama. His economic advisor may get some things wrong, but overall he is an economist and one inclined to favor the market.

Rather like Alfred Kahn, another Democratic economist, to whom we owe airline deregulation.

[Readers interested in a more detailed explanation of adverse selection may want to go to the relevant chapter of my webbed Law's Order and search for "adverse selection.]
 
Bill Clinton backed down Friday after reviving his wife’s exaggerated account of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged late last month that she had misspoken when she said on more than one occasion that she had landed under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia. The controversy surrounding the story had died down until the former president brought it back Thursday when he tried to defend his wife’s mistake.

Clinton accused the media of treating his wife like “she’d robbed a bank” for confusing the facts. But in retelling the story, the former president added his own inaccuracies to the account.

On Friday, Bill Clinton said he would no longer talk about the Bosnia trip.

“Hillary called me and said, ‘You don’t remember this, you weren’t there. Let me handle it.’ And I said ‘Yes ma’am,’” the former president said as he visited the scene of a campaign office that burned down in Terre Haute, Ind.

Homer>Hi
:no: alibi's are available if needed

 
Bill Clinton backed down Friday after reviving his wife’s exaggerated account of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged late last month that she had misspoken when she said on more than one occasion that she had landed under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia. The controversy surrounding the story had died down until the former president brought it back Thursday when he tried to defend his wife’s mistake.

Clinton accused the media of treating his wife like “she’d robbed a bank” for confusing the facts. But in retelling the story, the former president added his own inaccuracies to the account.

On Friday, Bill Clinton said he would no longer talk about the Bosnia trip.

“Hillary called me and said, ‘You don’t remember this, you weren’t there. Let me handle it.’ And I said ‘Yes ma’am,’” the former president said as he visited the scene of a campaign office that burned down in Terre Haute, Ind.

Homer>Hi
:no:
 
Bill Clinton backed down Friday after reviving his wife’s exaggerated account of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged late last month that she had misspoken when she said on more than one occasion that she had landed under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia. The controversy surrounding the story had died down until the former president brought it back Thursday when he tried to defend his wife’s mistake.

Clinton accused the media of treating his wife like “she’d robbed a bank” for confusing the facts. But in retelling the story, the former president added his own inaccuracies to the account.

On Friday, Bill Clinton said he would no longer talk about the Bosnia trip.

“Hillary called me and said, ‘You don’t remember this, you weren’t there. Let me handle it.’ And I said ‘Yes ma’am,’” the former president said as he visited the scene of a campaign office that burned down in Terre Haute, Ind.

Homer>Hi
:no: alibi's are available if needed
Hey buddy. Wasn't that a fun time when we were hanging out the other night? Good times!
 
Bill Clinton backed down Friday after reviving his wife’s exaggerated account of her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.

Hillary Clinton acknowledged late last month that she had misspoken when she said on more than one occasion that she had landed under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia. The controversy surrounding the story had died down until the former president brought it back Thursday when he tried to defend his wife’s mistake.

Clinton accused the media of treating his wife like “she’d robbed a bank” for confusing the facts. But in retelling the story, the former president added his own inaccuracies to the account.

On Friday, Bill Clinton said he would no longer talk about the Bosnia trip.

“Hillary called me and said, ‘You don’t remember this, you weren’t there. Let me handle it.’ And I said ‘Yes ma’am,’” the former president said as he visited the scene of a campaign office that burned down in Terre Haute, Ind.

Homer>Hi
:goodposting: alibi's are available if needed
Hey buddy. Wasn't that a fun time when we were hanging out the other night? Good times!
:lmao:
 
Has he said anything useful yet to show that he would be worth anything?

I already know the answer, but I want to see if someone can actually come up with something of substance.

 
that truth had too many sharp edges for the puritanical psyche of small town america. But, i think they recognize truth when they see it. Therefore, only impact will be that it keeps Hill from lying some more as she will just quote Obama for the next 4 days

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
adonis said:
How's the latest news affecting his polling numbers?
The news that he's the anti-christ? Not sure what else you might be referring to, but I get all my news from random FFA threads.
I think he's referring to "Bittergate."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106435/Gallup-D...Lead-50-41.aspxThe latest news in the campaign focuses on remarks Obama made, first reported on Friday, about working class and rural voters being "bitter" about the economy. Clinton and John McCain have seized on the remarks.

Initial indications are that the controversial remarks has not yet hurt Obama -- his 9-percentage point lead in the current results (based on March 10-12 polling) is right in line with the average 8.5-point lead he held in the prior six days' tracking results. Also, his lead in the current results shows a slight improvement from his 7-point advantage in March 9-11 polling. As the story gains momentum in the press, the coming days' tracking results will measure its ultimate impact.

 
adonis said:
How's the latest news affecting his polling numbers?
Latest American Research Group poll (Apr. 11-13) shows Clinton with a 57-37 lead in PA, up from 45-45 in its most recent poll.
OUCH
Meh, there's plenty of time to come back. This silly tempest in a teapot will die down and the numbers will come back together. Obama got the coveted Rooney endorsement this weekend. :rolleyes:
 
adonis said:
How's the latest news affecting his polling numbers?
Latest American Research Group poll (Apr. 11-13) shows Clinton with a 57-37 lead in PA, up from 45-45 in its most recent poll.
OUCH
Meh, there's plenty of time to come back. This silly tempest in a teapot will die down and the numbers will come back together. Obama got the coveted Rooney endorsement this weekend. :rolleyes:
HUGE!Thank God for Rooney.

 
Who's Rooney?
BLASPHEMER! The Rooneys are the owners of the Steelers! Greatest Football franchise evah!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/p...amfelsen/gGBpTD

Dear Fellow Pennsylvanian,

Based on the experiences that I have had in my seventy-five years and my assessment of what I think our nation needs to make real the change that is so needed, I am proud and now feel compelled to endorse Senator Barack Obama.

This is not something that I do regularly but as I listen to the candidates in this race, I am struck that we continue to hear about the problems and the same challenges that we have been talking about for decades. Protecting jobs here in Pennsylvania, breaking our dangerous and costly addiction to foreign oil, making health care accessible and affordable – these are neither new issues nor new ideas. And yet we have failed to make real progress.

As a grandfather and a citizen of this community I think Barack Obama’s, thoughtful, strategic approach is important for America. When I hear how excited young people seem to be when they talk about this man, I believe he will do what is best for them which is to inspire them to be great Americans.

This time, we can’t afford to wait. Our country needs a new direction and a new kind of leadership – the kind of leadership, judgment and experience that Senator Obama has demonstrated in more than 20 years of public service, and in a particularly impressive way in this campaign. Senator Obama has rejected the say-and-do anything tactics that puts winning elections ahead of governing the country. And he has rejected the back-room politics in favor of opening government up to the people. Barack Obama is the one candidate in this race who can finally put an end to business as usual in Washington and bring about real change for Pittsburgh and the country as a whole. He has inspired me and so many other people around our country with new ideas and fresh perspectives.

True sports fans know that you support your team even when they are the underdogs. Barack Obama is the underdog here but it is with great pride that I join his team.

When I think of Barack Obama’s America I have great hope. I support his candidacy and look forward to his Presidency

Sincerely,

Daniel M. Rooney, Owner and Chairman, Pittsburgh Steelers
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