tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This is a departure from the Obama campaign's usual rhetoric, though still not on par with McCain's smear tactics.I'd rather this be about as far as it goes, even if he would benefit politically from stooping to McCain's level.
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I think this about the time when we're told that we're in the minority and don't matter. personally I don't think the reason McCain closed the gap is due to the liberal base shifting right.If he can't win without Hillary Clinton, he doesn't deserve to run the country.I'd prefer him to win without running any negative ads, saying stuff people want to hear, or picking a VP for no more reason than a political reason, but I'm not sure someone like him can do that and win.
Like I said I haven't been following closely, but how many houses McCain has (unless he got a sweetheart deal from Countrywide) has nothing to do the election. It's probably a plus that they aren't being foreclosed on.
adonis
Footballguy
More likely that the country doesn't deserve him.I'm cynical when it comes to what it takes in politics to win. You can't be too idealistic or you'll be killed. I support Obama 100%, but there are things I think he'll have to do, contra to his message, to get him in the office. It's the reality of politics in America, and putting Hillary on the ticket might just be one of those things he has to do. I hope not, I hope he can do it without having to go with Hillary, but we'll see.If he loses, and doesn't put Hillary on there, I believe that will be the single biggest reason people attribute to his loss. Might he want to preempt that by picking her? We'll see. Maybe he can win without her. I think that's a tougher case to make.If he can't win without Hillary Clinton, he doesn't deserve to run the country.I'd prefer him to win without running any negative ads, saying stuff people want to hear, or picking a VP for no more reason than a political reason, but I'm not sure someone like him can do that and win.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
It's more about countering the McCain campaign's labeling of Obama as elitist as well as showing how out of touch McCain is with regular people's problems. They probably should have thrown the "whiner" comment in that ad somewhere, too.
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Don't think there is any way I can believe that.adonis said:
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I agree - McCain's wealth and housing portfolio is not an issue. As others have mentioned, Obama's people are fighting the elitist label and hoping to define McCain as out of touch. In that commercial, I think McCain's quote about the US economy fundamentals being in good shape is fair game to use against him, but I wouldn't have put in the part about him not knowing how many houses he owns, even if it is the type of simple, soundbite message that resonates with the mouthbreathers who overwhelmingly vote Republican.BassNBrew said:
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
I'm not signed up for it either. It's not like if I don't get the text I'll never find out.
Gopher State
Footballguy
WOW, I never thought that myself and Adonis would agree on anything.However, it good to see the positive attitude towards Hillary, from a strong Obama supporterAs a strong Hillary supporter, Obama gets my vote if he picks her as v.p., if not I said before I support McCain.It be an interesting weekend.
The Juggernaut
The Man. The Myth
Man, that sounds really good right about now.....urbanhack said:
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
This makes zero sense. None.
Dude, Adonis HAS to be on the list.I'm not signed up for it either. It's not like if I don't get the text I'll never find out.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Obama's not an elitist?Homer J Simpson said:
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Less so then McCain.Unless you are just talking about intelligence, then McCain is a poverty stricken dreg.
HellToupee
Footballguy
McCain is OLD leave him alone
You too could breath thru your mouth if it wasn't clamped around a ###### or joint.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
This is definitely less than excellent, but I'm going to approve this message.
TG would approve of it too. The ###### was actually a three letter word.
fightingduck
Footballguy
Nice try. "unfair" was the wrong word, but I can't think of a better. Note the parens that define the word. I'll try again with a different word - or you could go back and read the whole thing instead of slicing my post to make your point.To categorize the "rich" as a group, who saw increasing gains as a group, is a gross disconnect from reality.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Being elite does not necessarily make one an elitist.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Is this any better than stalking Britney?
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'm looking forward to the ***Official*** Who The Hell Is Chet Edwards And What Is He Doing On The Ticket? thread.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
I've been hearing some murmurs about him as well.So who the hell is Chet Edwards?
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
Chet Edwards is an excellent choice for VP, that's who he is
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
HOLY MOTHER OF SWEETBREAD......PICK ANNOUNCE YOUR EFFIN' VP ALREADY!!!!!!
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
The annoying thing is, HE DID. The pick has been made. Just freaking announce it already.
Jobber
Footballguy
He's teh guy who was cheating on his wife while she was battling cancer.
kaa
Footballguy
Next thing you know, people will be asking who Ed Muskie is.
Pooch
More Yang than Yin
Or a fiber loaded cereal.Barack is being way too coy about this VP crap.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I've found Obama's VP anouncement procedure (teasing everyone for three days, maybe more) to be kind of lame, too, but whatever.
The thing that strikes me as odd is that he's going to have voluntarily chosen to anounce his running mate either on a Friday afternoon or on a Saturday. Those are usually times you choose when you want to bury bad news. Its almost as if Obama thinks his supporters are going to need a weekend to calm down after he makes his pick, almost as if he's planning on selecting:
1. A shrew-like former opponent who argued that he was unqualified for the presidency and not a real American to boot, or
2. A guy so obscure as to make Dan Quayle 1988 look like Brangelina by comparison.
Seriously, if Obama was going to pick Biden, Bayh, or somebody like that, wouldn't he come out with that on Wed or Thurs when he could enjoy a few favorable news cycles?
The thing that strikes me as odd is that he's going to have voluntarily chosen to anounce his running mate either on a Friday afternoon or on a Saturday. Those are usually times you choose when you want to bury bad news. Its almost as if Obama thinks his supporters are going to need a weekend to calm down after he makes his pick, almost as if he's planning on selecting:
1. A shrew-like former opponent who argued that he was unqualified for the presidency and not a real American to boot, or
2. A guy so obscure as to make Dan Quayle 1988 look like Brangelina by comparison.
Seriously, if Obama was going to pick Biden, Bayh, or somebody like that, wouldn't he come out with that on Wed or Thurs when he could enjoy a few favorable news cycles?
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm surprised by it too. I actually thought he was going to announce pre-Olympics so his Olympics ads could include the running mate.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Color me confused on this, too.And on the "teasing" aspect of it, how friggin' hard would it be for him to say, "I've made my decision and we'll announce it on Friday. Now chill the #### out."
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I think he was going to do it yesterday, but then the whole houses thing came up so there was no point. Either that or its Hillary.There is one benefit of pushing it back so far. It's basically made McCain pick a non-newsworthy event since everyone will be focusing on the Dem convention from Sat until next Thursday, basically leaving McCain with the Friday before Labor Day weekend or this Sunday....either way it limits the press coverage.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Evan Bayh. Please.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Originalliy I wanted a Bayh/Obama ticket a couple years ago.Hes considered a centrist and has plenty of appeal in that direction.And, like Obama, he has capable intelligence. Which this country needs.
kaa
Footballguy
I'm hearing that a surprise pick for McCain's veep could be General David Petraeus.
John McCain is an authoritarian. By his record as a senator, it is clear that McCain believes in social and economic controls. He is not interested in freedom. He is far too ambitious. He wants to be emperor, not president. If he reaches the White House, the first thing he does is work against freedom. I can see him bringing back the Fairness Doctrine for example, citing a need to "work with democrats" and try to silence critics like Rush Limbaugh.
But he is old. I've always said that, if I'm right about McCain, he's going to seek a strong man as a veep. His priority will be to find a guy he can entrust to continue his work of establishing Imperial America. As soon as I heard Petraeus was on the short list, the final 4, I said to myself, "That's the guy. That's his veep. He's going to make Petraeus his apprentice, his Darth Vader. Its a perfect fit. It doesn't matter if the veep has political experience or not. He wants a guy that can succeed him as emperor."
John McCain is an authoritarian. By his record as a senator, it is clear that McCain believes in social and economic controls. He is not interested in freedom. He is far too ambitious. He wants to be emperor, not president. If he reaches the White House, the first thing he does is work against freedom. I can see him bringing back the Fairness Doctrine for example, citing a need to "work with democrats" and try to silence critics like Rush Limbaugh.
But he is old. I've always said that, if I'm right about McCain, he's going to seek a strong man as a veep. His priority will be to find a guy he can entrust to continue his work of establishing Imperial America. As soon as I heard Petraeus was on the short list, the final 4, I said to myself, "That's the guy. That's his veep. He's going to make Petraeus his apprentice, his Darth Vader. Its a perfect fit. It doesn't matter if the veep has political experience or not. He wants a guy that can succeed him as emperor."
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Gotcha. Not that I'm against him or anything, I simply don't know too much about him. I was just a little Bayh-Curious.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Sweet J
Footballguy
I friggen LOVE bgp.
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