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[whoknew]

By Jon Paul Morosi

Detroit Free Press

(MCT)

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - The Detroit Tigers are close to signing third baseman Brandon Inge to a four-year contract extension.

The deal will be worth $24 million and could be announced within the coming week.

Inge, 29, made $3 million this year and probably would have made $4 million to $5 million in 2007, his final year of salary arbitration. He was scheduled to enter free agency next year but should remain a Tiger through the prime of his career. He's expected to remain at third base over the lifetime of the contract, rather than return to catcher, the position at which he broke into the major leagues.

The contract's average annual value falls between recent free-agent deals for third basemen Pedro Feliz (one year, $5.1 million with the Giants) and Aramis Ramirez (five years, $75.5 million with the Cubs).

Great move locking him up for those dollars. One of the most underrated players in the game.

Considering his range factor compared to other third basemen, and the fact he has only played the position full-time for two years I think he only goes up from here. He really needs to be more patient and consistent at the plate but he has a lot of pop for a guy hitting 9th. I think if he can be as disciplined at the plate as he is in the field, he can be a nice #7 hitter. I'm a but I think he wins the gold glove at 3B next year. He made 22 errors last year but drastically improved as the season went on and his range numbers were very good. I personally like him but other Tiger fans are not so sure. He was a rock at 3B and made some key plays when the team needed them most. If they can get more production out of 1B and DH which is expected, Brandon will have a lot less pressure to come through at the plate. I like that scenario and the guy is a big-time gamer.

Agreed. Don't see a lot wrong with this move.

 

[ThisGuy]

By Jon Paul Morosi

Detroit Free Press

(MCT)

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - The Detroit Tigers are close to signing third baseman Brandon Inge to a four-year contract extension.

The deal will be worth $24 million and could be announced within the coming week.

Inge, 29, made $3 million this year and probably would have made $4 million to $5 million in 2007, his final year of salary arbitration. He was scheduled to enter free agency next year but should remain a Tiger through the prime of his career. He's expected to remain at third base over the lifetime of the contract, rather than return to catcher, the position at which he broke into the major leagues.

The contract's average annual value falls between recent free-agent deals for third basemen Pedro Feliz (one year, $5.1 million with the Giants) and Aramis Ramirez (five years, $75.5 million with the Cubs).

Great move locking him up for those dollars. One of the most underrated players in the game.

Considering his range factor compared to other third basemen, and the fact he has only played the position full-time for two years I think he only goes up from here. He really needs to be more patient and consistent at the plate but he has a lot of pop for a guy hitting 9th. I think if he can be as disciplined at the plate as he is in the field, he can be a nice #7 hitter. I'm a but I think he wins the gold glove at 3B next year. He made 22 errors last year but drastically improved as the season went on and his range numbers were very good. I personally like him but other Tiger fans are not so sure. He was a rock at 3B and made some key plays when the team needed them most. If they can get more production out of 1B and DH which is expected, Brandon will have a lot less pressure to come through at the plate. I like that scenario and the guy is a big-time gamer.

Inge was a key contributor to the 2nd best FFA fantasy baseball team

 

[the moops]

Fatso knows things, but I don't see it anywhere else yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380

You do realize that Petite tossed up a ERA of 4.20 last year. He saw his walk totals almost double, and had a WHIP of 1.437 (yikes). And now he moves to the AL East.I like Petite, but there are some troubling signs.

His numbers weren't all that spectacular with the Yanks either. It's that you pretty much know what he is, and know he can handle NY and has won HUGE games before (something that can't be said for some recent scrub starters).I LOVE the move (even moreso if it means a Clemens return at midseason).

Well, he has a 4+ ERA in the postseason. He has pitched a few great games, but he has had a fair share of disastrous starts as well.But, it is a nice one year commitment, and you mainly know what you are going to get out of him. As long as his elbow tendinitis isn't a concern

 

[Doctor Detroit]

By Jon Paul Morosi

Detroit Free Press

(MCT)

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - The Detroit Tigers are close to signing third baseman Brandon Inge to a four-year contract extension.

The deal will be worth $24 million and could be announced within the coming week.

Inge, 29, made $3 million this year and probably would have made $4 million to $5 million in 2007, his final year of salary arbitration. He was scheduled to enter free agency next year but should remain a Tiger through the prime of his career. He's expected to remain at third base over the lifetime of the contract, rather than return to catcher, the position at which he broke into the major leagues.

The contract's average annual value falls between recent free-agent deals for third basemen Pedro Feliz (one year, $5.1 million with the Giants) and Aramis Ramirez (five years, $75.5 million with the Cubs).

Meh. He's cheap, at least. He's a solid 3B. Good enough.

RFg lgrfg RF/9 lg/9 GS Innings Inge 3.35 2.54 3.44 2.84 156 1392.0 Rolen 2.89 2.37 3.04 2.69 141 1215.7 Fielding percentage was .965 to .960 for Rolen but

PO A DPInge 135, 397 34 Rolen 93 318 32So Inge made more errors but he gets to more balls because of his range so has more chances to make errors. I'll take that anyday because what range stats don't show is how many balls Inge stopped headed into the corner with a runner on second that ended up being an in-field single. Inge saved more than a few games for the Tigers last year something the fans of teh team don't even properly recognize. Inge 27/83 .253 .313

Rolen 22/95 .296 .368

How much does Rolen cost? Inge is a better fielder, two years younger, and although he never may be the hitter Rolen is there is room for improvement. He was .261 and .330 OBP in 2005 so if he can get to .270 and .350 while keeping his HRs up around 30 he is more than worth the money. And since Rolen costs twice as much, it's pretty easy for me to say Inge is worth more dollar for dollar than Rolen and then some.

Waiting for RNR in 3, 2.........

 

[RnR]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

 

[ThisGuy]

Wasn't Rolen playing hurt for most of last year?

 

[whoknew]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

 

[RnR]

Wasn't Rolen playing hurt for most of last year?

Yes. I thought this was pretty common knowledge, but even Cardinals fans were jumping overboard during the NLCS.

 

[RnR]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Here is what I'm saying:Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.Also Inge is a better fielder than Rolen and it's not as close as it might seem.

 

[whoknew]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

Actually if you look at his range, Rolen has never had the season Inge did in 2006. Never! Wait until Inge learns the position.

 

[ThisGuy]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:

Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.

As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

RnR- Nettles is the next best defensive 3B.

 

[RnR]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

 

[RnR]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

Actually if you look at his range, Rolen has never had the season Inge did in 2006. Never! Wait until Inge learns the position.

Not gonna do it...

 

[whoknew]

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

The defensive stats are out there. All you have to do is go look at them. Sure they have flaws, but when you take a compilation of a bunch of them, you get a good picture. Has Rolen been a good defensive 3B for a number of years? Of course! That doesn't change the fact that now, Inge is on that same level (assuming Rolen is healthy enough to be there). Inge is an elite defensive 3B. That's a fact.

 

[RnR]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

 

[RnR]

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

The defensive stats are out there. All you have to do is go look at them. Sure they have flaws, but when you take a compilation of a bunch of them, you get a good picture. Has Rolen been a good defensive 3B for a number of years? Of course! That doesn't change the fact that now, Inge is on that same level (assuming Rolen is healthy enough to be there). Inge is an elite defensive 3B. That's a fact.

Inge had a nice 2006 season defensively. That's the only fact.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

I'm not comparing careers. Rolen is one of the best fielding 3bman I've ever seen and I love watching him. I think to appreciate Inge though you really have to be a homer or an AL Central fan. Even WS fans who hate the Tigers (we hate them right back) give Inge a whole lot of credit. Watch him in a midseason game next year and tell me you aren't impressed. The guy makes plays that only a few guys can make at the position and he has the pure talent to be a truly great player at 3B. I think he's not only one of the more underrated players in the game, but probably the most underrated Tiger. Fans are all over him all the time and the guy is just a ballplayer. I really hope he can get his avg and OBP numbers up so the locals lay off. Guy is really a unique talent and I won't say that about many players including Tigers.

 

[Michael Brown]

Fatso knows things, but I don't see it anywhere else yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380

You do realize that Petite tossed up a ERA of 4.20 last year. He saw his walk totals almost double, and had a WHIP of 1.437 (yikes). And now he moves to the AL East.I like Petite, but there are some troubling signs.

His numbers weren't all that spectacular with the Yanks either. It's that you pretty much know what he is, and know he can handle NY and has won HUGE games before (something that can't be said for some recent scrub starters).I LOVE the move (even moreso if it means a Clemens return at midseason).

Well, he has a 4+ ERA in the postseason. He has pitched a few great games, but he has had a fair share of disastrous starts as well.But, it is a nice one year commitment, and you mainly know what you are going to get out of him. As long as his elbow tendinitis isn't a concern

Definitely agree on his postseason numbers. But looking behind the numbers, it was really two awful starts that did him in (Game 1 vs. Atlanta in 1996 and Game 6 vs. Arizona in 2001). He's had a few others that weren't phenomenal either, but those two were horrid on another level.The thing is, last time he was here he was getting us out of 0-1 holes in each series of the playoffs (I went to each Game 2, and he won all three of them). He did lose Game 6 to Beckett, but can't complain about a 2-0 defeat against a guy throwing the game of his life. Even if Pettitte is only marginally better than Randy Johnson, an upgrade is an upgrade.

The elbow is a concern, though less so when we hopefully have some solid arms in the system to replace the vets if (when?) they break down.

 

[RnR]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

I'm not comparing careers. Rolen is one of the best fielding 3bman I've ever seen and I love watching him. I think to appreciate Inge though you really have to be a homer or an AL Central fan. Even WS fans who hate the Tigers (we hate them right back) give Inge a whole lot of credit. Watch him in a midseason game next year and tell me you aren't impressed. The guy makes plays that only a few guys can make at the position and he has the pure talent to be a truly great player at 3B. I think he's not only one of the more underrated players in the game, but probably the most underrated Tiger. Fans are all over him all the time and the guy is just a ballplayer. I really hope he can get his avg and OBP numbers up so the locals lay off. Guy is really a unique talent and I won't say that about many players including Tigers.

I think Inge is a quality defender. Every time I've watched him play I've been impressed. I just think we're on a fishing trip if you try to compare him to Scott Rolen. 2006 obviously wasn't Scott's best performance.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

 

[RnR]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

two .310 OBPs doesn't make .620.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Did you just compare Brandon Inge to Scott Rolen defensively? Jesus Christ. I don't want to get into this discussion on a Friday afternoon.

Because you know you'll lose it?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen. The guy that most people view as the best defensive third baseman since Brooks Robinson pales in comparison to a recently converted catcher.ETA:

I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting facts in the face of opinion. But -- once again -- here's a quote from Rany Jazayerli's article from this summer:Made the every-day third baseman last season, Inge again set career highs in doubles, triples and homers, and he has upped his power once again this year, smacking 20 homers and slugging .472. Meanwhile, his defense at third base has surpassed all expectations; his defensive rate this season is a ridiculous 115, and he's saved 16 runs above average with his glove, both marks the best of any major league third baseman this year.As much as signing Rodriguez has meant to this franchise, the conversion of the man he replaced into Graig Nettles Lite has been an awfully nice fringe benefit.

Not sure what facts you present here. All defensive statistics are flawed, some just more than others. Inge may have led a fairly insignificant stat for 3rd basemen in 2006, but that hardly stacks up to the resume that Rolen brings to the table. Way to isolate an obscure statistic for a period of a few months, over which time Rolen was admittedly playing at less than 100%. I'm sold. PS- I'm still not getting into this.

I'm not comparing careers. Rolen is one of the best fielding 3bman I've ever seen and I love watching him. I think to appreciate Inge though you really have to be a homer or an AL Central fan. Even WS fans who hate the Tigers (we hate them right back) give Inge a whole lot of credit. Watch him in a midseason game next year and tell me you aren't impressed. The guy makes plays that only a few guys can make at the position and he has the pure talent to be a truly great player at 3B. I think he's not only one of the more underrated players in the game, but probably the most underrated Tiger. Fans are all over him all the time and the guy is just a ballplayer. I really hope he can get his avg and OBP numbers up so the locals lay off. Guy is really a unique talent and I won't say that about many players including Tigers.

I think Inge is a quality defender. Every time I've watched him play I've been impressed. I just think we're on a fishing trip if you try to compare him to Scott Rolen. 2006 obviously wasn't Scott's best performance.

I rarely fish. Just look at the range numbers. Inge is impressive.

 

[RnR]

The OPS and defense that both Drew and Rolen offer is a very rare combination. These are the kind of players that teams should be building their rosters around... not Carlos Lees and Alfonso Sorianos..

The only reservations I have for Drew are his injuries and tender heart. If he can over come those, he has all the talent in the world.

 

[Funkley]

Inge was great last year defensively but let's see him do it 2-3 times like Rolen has. Rolen likely won't be the same after the injuries so it's not even something that can be compared anymore. I do know one thing, if it's game 7 of the WS and I need a 3B to field a ball to win the game I'll put my $$$ on Rolen.

 

[RnR]

Inge was great last year defensively but let's see him do it 2-3 times like Rolen has. Rolen likely won't be the same after the injuries so it's not even something that can be compared anymore. I do know one thing, if it's game 7 of the WS and I need a 3B to field a ball to win the game I'll put my $$$ on Rolen.

It should also be noted that Rolen has 7 Gold Gloves, for those of keeping score at home.

 

[shadyridr]

Fatso knows things, but I don't see it anywhere else yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2691380

You do realize that Petite tossed up a ERA of 4.20 last year. He saw his walk totals almost double, and had a WHIP of 1.437 (yikes). And now he moves to the AL East.I like Petite, but there are some troubling signs.

You do realize that the Yankees would take a 4.20 out of Pettitte in a heartbeat

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The OPS and defense that both Drew and Rolen offer is a very rare combination. These are the kind of players that teams should be building their rosters around... not Carlos Lees and Alfonso Sorianos.. The only reservations I have for Drew are his injuries and tender heart. If he can over come those, he has all the talent in the world.

If Drew stays healthy for just one whole season he might be worth the money. I agree he is a better all around player than Soriano but Soriano is a hitting machine who doesn't miss a bunch of games. But I digress and fear the Red Sux talk returns so I cut this off now.

 

[Funkley]

In other news, it looks as if the Twins have made an offer to Jeff Cirillo.

 

[the moops]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In other news, it looks as if the Twins have made an offer to Jeff Cirillo.

have fun with that experient. we tried in SD and it failed miserably.

 

[the moops]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

You must know that OPS overvalues SLG. But anyway. I was actually looking at Monroe's OBP, and got that really bad number (301) confused with Inge's bad number (313).Congrats for having a league average hitter at 3B.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

You must know that OPS overvalues SLG. But anyway. I was actually looking at Monroe's OBP, and got that really bad number (301) confused with Inge's bad number (313).Congrats for having a league average hitter at 3B.

Considering they have above average hitters at SS, DH, C, and hopefully in RF and 2B I have no qualms with signing Inge to a 6 million dollar a year contract. Also np on Monroe. He is on my watch list this year and he won't be getting an extension for that number alone. I think he could bust out though and cost a bunch but I don't see him in Detroit beyond 2008. I'd bet they deal him next summer.

 

[the moops]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

You must know that OPS overvalues SLG. But anyway. I was actually looking at Monroe's OBP, and got that really bad number (301) confused with Inge's bad number (313).Congrats for having a league average hitter at 3B.

Considering they have above average hitters at SS, DH, C, and hopefully in RF and 2B I have no qualms with signing Inge to a 6 million dollar a year contract. Also np on Monroe. He is on my watch list this year and he won't be getting an extension for that number alone. I think he could bust out though and cost a bunch but I don't see him in Detroit beyond 2008. I'd bet they deal him next summer.

Are they planning on putting Ordonez at DH? They could probably put him and Sheff at DH. Save both of them from playing 140+ games in the OF. Hopefully you get the 2005 Polanco instead of the 2006.Wow, I hadnt realized how far I-Rod has fallen in the past few years. OPS of mid 700's the past 2 years. He could use some games at DH too.

Probably could get a 3 man rotation going.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

You must know that OPS overvalues SLG. But anyway. I was actually looking at Monroe's OBP, and got that really bad number (301) confused with Inge's bad number (313).Congrats for having a league average hitter at 3B.

Considering they have above average hitters at SS, DH, C, and hopefully in RF and 2B I have no qualms with signing Inge to a 6 million dollar a year contract. Also np on Monroe. He is on my watch list this year and he won't be getting an extension for that number alone. I think he could bust out though and cost a bunch but I don't see him in Detroit beyond 2008. I'd bet they deal him next summer.

Are they planning on putting Ordonez at DH? They could probably put him and Sheff at DH. Save both of them from playing 140+ games in the OF. Hopefully you get the 2005 Polanco instead of the 2006.Wow, I hadnt realized how far I-Rod has fallen in the past few years. OPS of mid 700's the past 2 years. He could use some games at DH too.

Probably could get a 3 man rotation going.

I'd imagine Ordonez will be playing the majority of games in RF say, 110. Then they move Monroe to right for the other 50 there and Sheff will get some time in LF. Wilson is a decent backup at C and I think I ROD will get some time at 1b and DH. I think Infante is the wildcard for the Tigers. If he continues to hit it will be difficult to keep him on the bench. I'm hoping he will get a lot of Spring Training time at SS and they can plug him in vs LH pitching and move Guillen to first. The one thing the Tigers have is position flexibility. Monroe can play all three OF positions, Granderson may get some time in LF with Maybin coming, Sheff may be playing in RF at times and Infante can play 2B and hopefully SS. And I haven't even mentioned Thames. Baltimore wants him but they have nothing to give. If anyone offers a decent LH hitter who can play the OF Thames is gone. Granderson should be much better also. I-Rod is slowly declining but he is such an asset to the pitching staff and defensively. I think he got worn out last year and then he was meh in the playoffs. I think they'll be a little more careful with him in 2007 in hopes the team can get back into the postseason. Polanco as you mentioned is key. Considering Polanco and Ordonez were not great last year gives me added hope in 2007. If both can regain their form the team is going to be tough with Sheffield the one bat we so desperately missed all last season in the heart of the lineup. If Guillen hits third as expected, he could be a solid MVP candidate with Sheff and Ordonez hitting well.

I don't talk much about the pitching staff because I don't think I need to. Rogers, Bonderman, Verlander, Maroth, and Robertson will be one of the best, if not the best staff in the league and the bullpen should be fine with Tata, Miller, Ledezma, Jones and Zumaya. It's nice to only really concern myself with hitting at this point and the team still lacks the LH power bat they need. I'm hoping Dombrowski can work his magic as the market settles down and get a LH stick.

 

[RnR]

In other news, it looks as if the Twins have made an offer to Jeff Cirillo.

Forget Cirillo, they just came to terms with former all-star first baseman Ken Harvey!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cards sign Springer

 

[RnR]

Cards sign Springer

Not a bad deal. I prefer him over Kolb.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Cards sign Springer

Looper version 2.0.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Will Pettite start a postseason game?Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pettite are the top 4 right now. Wang and Moose get as many as they can in a 7.....

How can you not start Andy in a playoff game?!? Watching RJ meltdown the last few years in October has not been fun.

I agree. But Joe has shown that he gives Randy Johnson some kind of deferral because he's Randy Johnson.

 

[the moops]

Will Pettite start a postseason game?Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pettite are the top 4 right now. Wang and Moose get as many as they can in a 7.....

How can you not start Andy in a playoff game?!? Watching RJ meltdown the last few years in October has not been fun.

I agree. But Joe has shown that he gives Randy Johnson some kind of deferral because he's Randy Johnson.

Maybe he is going for the consistency?Randy has given up 5 earned runs in each of his last 3 postseason starts.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

Dude, he was 23rd among MLB 3B in VORP. That's not that great.OPS *severely* overrates SLG over OBP. Inge is an extreme case of that. He's a solid 3B, but he's far from being a savior.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

Dude, he was 23rd among MLB 3B in VORP. That's not that great.OPS *severely* overrates SLG over OBP. Inge is an extreme case of that. He's a solid 3B, but he's far from being a savior.

I don't think he's a savior and using a variety of stats to suit the argument is personal taste. OPS is what most people would use and his fielding grades are well documented. For the money I think he's a good buy. The Tigers will still hit him 8th or 8th so if you want to compare him to other 8th and 9th place hitters. With Gullien you have a SS that hits like a 3B so I like to think of the whole team concept and what you can get out of sectors. I like the potential the Tigers get out of the leftside of their infield compared to many other teams on both sides of the equation. With Inge's versatility and talent, he's a good buy at 6 mill a year IMO.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Brandon Inge and Craig Monroe>>>>>>>Scott Rolen and JD Drew for the money.

Depends on whether or not scoring runs is important to you.

RBIs down? HRs? OBPs suck no doubt. I won't defend them but when you can get Monroe and Sheffield for the price of Drew or Inge and Guillen for the price of Rolen my position is fairly easy to defend. TWO FOR ONE BABY!

You cant just gloss over Inge's OBP. It was .301 last year. That is really, really bad. He slugged 482, which isn't bad, but he would need to add 100 points to his slugging to make him an above average hitter. Obviously his defense increases his value immensely. But to say, he hits HRs and he gets RBI, therefore he is a good hitter, is foolish.

Inge's OBP was .313 and the league average was .339. The lg avg slugging was .436. Since he was above average in HRs and RBIs for his position and since he was well above the league average in SLG it makes me think he's already an average hitter. Thinking he needs to add 100 points to his slugging pct to meet your criteria for an "above average hitter" seems foolish. Especially if you consider Drew's numbers.

Sheffield plus Monroe is going to cost an average of ~20 million over the next 3 years. Sheffield is getting 13, 14, 14...Inge will probably be in the 4-7 million range over the next 3 years. Plus you had to give up 3 prospects to acquire the 38 year old Sheffield, who had a pretty bad year last year even when he was playing, which wasn't often.

Monroe will be gone after this year and since he'll be going to arbitration, it's hard to say what he might get. I'd bet in the 3 million range so Sheff and Monroe are 16 million this year and I stand corrected. Next year it will be Maybin at about 2. That's 16 million for two outfielders of which Monroe/Maybin will probably play 50 more games a year than Drew. Sheff's numbers are really just a bonus. Also prospects are no guarantees and only Sanchez is a sure pro prospect and he had elbow issues last year. The others are low level guys in a system that has a ton of pitching. Whelen was a top ten pitching prospect in the system but he was a closer prospect. Tigers have two others plus Zumaya.

Sux overpaid for Drew. Don't take it out on me.

ETA: League OPS Avg: .775

Inge's OPS .776

"ouch" on your 100 point theory.

Dude, he was 23rd among MLB 3B in VORP. That's not that great.OPS *severely* overrates SLG over OBP. Inge is an extreme case of that. He's a solid 3B, but he's far from being a savior.

I don't think he's a savior and using a variety of stats to suit the argument is personal taste. OPS is what most people would use and his fielding grades are well documented. For the money I think he's a good buy. The Tigers will still hit him 8th or 8th so if you want to compare him to other 8th and 9th place hitters. With Gullien you have a SS that hits like a 3B so I like to think of the whole team concept and what you can get out of sectors. I like the potential the Tigers get out of the leftside of their infield compared to many other teams on both sides of the equation. With Inge's versatility and talent, he's a good buy at 6 mill a year IMO.

It's not about using a "variety of stats", GB...it's about using stats that actually measure offensive efficiency the best. VORP, WARP-1, and RC/27 are much better at showing that than OPS.Guillen is an *absolute* stud. He's probably the second-best SS in the majors right now. You want someone who's vastly underrated, that's your guy.

 

[harrycarey]

Braves have a hard-on for Baldelli

 

[cubd8]

Local reports indicating that the Cubs have signed Jason Marquis, and his 6 ERA, to a 3 year contract worth around $21 million.

 

[Limp Ditka]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/ch...-home-headlines

If its not in here as confirmed yet, Cubs ink Marquis for 3years / $20m

So combined, thats 7 years / $60 million for Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Inge was great last year defensively but let's see him do it 2-3 times like Rolen has. Rolen likely won't be the same after the injuries so it's not even something that can be compared anymore. I do know one thing, if it's game 7 of the WS and I need a 3B to field a ball to win the game I'll put my $$$ on Rolen.

It should also be noted that Rolen has 7 Gold Gloves, for those of keeping score at home.

A true baseball fan knows that you never ever hang your hat on Golden Glove awards.A sham of an award in baseballCome on, you can do better then that!