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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

I drafted him at 1.01 & likely could not get a paper bag for him so I have to hold & hope.
Yea. I doubt he would even be a first round pick now if you redid your rookie draft
PPR:

Yeah no question he wouldn't. There's at least 13 rookie WRs alone to easily take ahead of Sankey. At least 4 rookie RB's, I'd take the top 2 rookie TE's, and depending on league format at least 3 QB's. I went through the rookie list & had him going Round 3 (superflex league) if drafting today.

 
I drafted him at 1.01 & likely could not get a paper bag for him so I have to hold & hope.
Yea. I doubt he would even be a first round pick now if you redid your rookie draft
PPR:Yeah no question he wouldn't. There's at least 13 rookie WRs alone to easily take ahead of Sankey. At least 4 rookie RB's, I'd take the top 2 rookie TE's, and depending on league format at least 3 QB's. I went through the rookie list & had him going Round 3 (superflex league) if drafting today.
Yep. I took him high in a couple leagues. Regrets.

 
longest rant ever, sorry, it was a monday at work so I've had a beer or two
Thanks for the synopsis Bri.

I am guessing perhaps the change from Munchak and his impact on the offensive line play may be something I and other people overlooked. I do recall people not much liking the signing of Oher who clearly was near the end of his career. Roos has likely been a bit under-rated as a LT in terms of pro bowl accolades but I agree with you that he has had a very good career.

Another factor in this is that the Titans defense has been really bad. They have given up the most points, third place in yards given up and have faced the most offensive plays and rushing attempts against at this point of the season.

Not trying to make excuses for Bishop Sankey's performance and you point is well taken that this is on him. I just think it is good to look at the overall context of the situation. It sounds like the Titans have had about as many issues with their offensive line as the Vikings have this season. Both units were regarded pretty highly but have taken a huge step backwards in 2014.

 
One of the owners wanted him really badly in our 12 team, superflex/IDP dynasty at 1.07.

Traded 1.07 (Sankey) 4.05 (CJ Fed, TE HOU)

for

3.05 (Mettenberger) 3.11 (Telvin Smith) 2nd/4th in 2015, and his 1st in 2017.

I also had 1.05 (Manziel) and 1.11 (K Benjamin) in last years 1st round.

I was ready to take K Benjamin at 1.07, if I hadn't traded it.

Feeling good about this, although I may have missed out on another really good WR from this years class by trading the pick.

 
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.

 
longest rant ever, sorry, it was a monday at work so I've had a beer or two
Thanks for the synopsis Bri.

I am guessing perhaps the change from Munchak and his impact on the offensive line play may be something I and other people overlooked. I do recall people not much liking the signing of Oher who clearly was near the end of his career. Roos has likely been a bit under-rated as a LT in terms of pro bowl accolades but I agree with you that he has had a very good career.

Another factor in this is that the Titans defense has been really bad. They have given up the most points, third place in yards given up and have faced the most offensive plays and rushing attempts against at this point of the season.

Not trying to make excuses for Bishop Sankey's performance and you point is well taken that this is on him. I just think it is good to look at the overall context of the situation. It sounds like the Titans have had about as many issues with their offensive line as the Vikings have this season. Both units were regarded pretty highly but have taken a huge step backwards in 2014.
The defense was a matter of Whisenhunt loving Cleveland's DC and forcing a 3-4 down the team's throat. That on top of letting a top CB go while the previous year we all knew the CB opposite him was an easy target to throw at.

Most teams would love Morgan and Casey, the Titans play em' out of position.

Signed Kamerion Wimbley...OK, to play OLB...ugh. Then sign old Shaun Phillips to play OLB. Cut half the linebackers, keep one of last year's starters and then send him to the LB needy Pats for a 6th rounder.

The DC is beyond creative and I do love him for that. If you watch closely in a game, he will have them in all sorts of different sets. You'll swear there's a million DBs one snap and a million linemen the next. He definitely has a do what I can, try this, attitude. And blitzing often when ya stink that bad was real risky but they almost stole a couple wins doing that.

It goes back to the 3-4 though-even creative and obviously bright, why do it? Because Whisenhunt was part of some great Steeler 3-4s?

I highly doubt many of them stay (if Whisenhunt does) and expect a big turnover on D, but but but if they do, geesh this is a D that knows more sets than any other outside of BBs. They're well drilled if not productive.

He reminds me that's what I want in a head coach-at least show me you're doing something within your power to try and win. Whisenhunt does not at all

 
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.

 
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.
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Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.
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Conveniently left out...

 
cstu said:
msudaisy26 said:
cstu said:
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.
He has 131 carries for 499 yards and 2 TDs.

Marshawn had 1115 yards and 7 TDs

Tomlinson had 1235 and 10

Tiki was a 3rd down back according to many, Marion shared with Jones, Bush was behind Deuce

That list is brutal for comparison

He has 500 yards and zero competition. Other backs are put in when he doesn't cut it.

You guys can sugar coat Blair Thomas and William Greene all ya want but this isn't wow Marion is a human pinball or geesh Tiki's quick or Ricky is going to get 500 carries if Ditka has his way or how many 4-5 TD games can Tomlinson actually get.

When their line was healthy and they had their awesome blocking TE, were his stats any different?

Sankey fans gotta admit the Titans are extremely likely to sign or draft another back and that 500 yards isn't sufficient. For that matter, Hunter fans ought to be leery because after two years he's still just a prospect with no true realized production. The best hope is the Titans have 40 holes on their roster and that they feel RB isn't as glaring a need. I doubt it. There's a long history of NFL teams, especially the Titans, going back and drafting another as stud RBs seem to turn a team's fortunes around quickly.

There's tons of quotes where Whisenhunt is displeased with him. I suppose a case could be made for them trading him for a decent pick if someone will bite and loved him as a prospect last spring. If the coach isn't a fan of the lead back, stuff happens...it just does.

Well fine, turn it back to some of the Sankey fans-What does he do that makes you think he'll be a solid NFL RB?

 
Sankey fans gotta admit the Titans are extremely likely to sign or draft another back and that 500 yards isn't sufficient.
If they sign a good back or draft one high (like Mason to Stacy) then I'll give it up. Just think it's way to early to write him off.

 
That list is just stats and doesn't take anything in context. I am not saying he can't be a good back, but I don't see it yet. I would rather have rookies like Crowell, Hyde, or McKinnon who have showed promise.

 
Sankey fans gotta admit the Titans are extremely likely to sign or draft another back and that 500 yards isn't sufficient.
If they sign a good back or draft one high (like Mason to Stacy) then I'll give it up. Just think it's way to early to write him off.
I wouldn't give up on him if you have the roster space. Even if they sign Ingram or who ever in the off season, injuries happen and sometimes players turn it around, I wouldn't count on it, but more bizarre things have happened.

 
cstu said:
msudaisy26 said:
cstu said:
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.
So is your argument that if you are a rookie who is 22 or younger and had at least 10 receptions, if you averaged less than 4 ypc, you are destined for good things? Where is the causality?

 
I also find 40 players who fit those criteria:

,,,,,,,Games,Games,Rushing,Rushing,Rushing,Rushing,Rushing,Receiving,Receiving,Receiving,Receiving,Receiving,Receiving,Receiving
Rk,,Year,Age,Draft,Tm,Lg,G,GS,Att,Yds,Y/A,TD,Y/G,Tgt,Rec,Yds,Y/R,TD,Y/G,Ctch%
1,Marshawn Lynch,2007,21,1-12,BUF,NFL,13,13,280,1115,3.98,7,85.8,26,18,184,10.22,0,14.2,69.2
2,Dexter McCluster,2010,21,2-36,KAN,NFL,11,7,18,71,3.94,0,6.5,39,21,209,9.95,1,19.0,53.8
3,Marion Barber,2005,22,4-109,DAL,NFL,13,2,138,538,3.90,5,41.4,25,18,115,6.39,0,8.8,72.0
4,Ronnie Hillman,2012,21,3-67,DEN,NFL,14,0,84,327,3.89,1,23.4,12,10,62,6.20,0,4.4,83.3
5,Mark Ingram,2011,22,1-28,NOR,NFL,10,4,122,474,3.89,5,47.4,13,11,46,4.18,0,4.6,84.6
6,Zac Stacy,2013,22,5-160,STL,NFL,14,12,250,973,3.89,7,69.5,35,26,141,5.42,1,10.1,74.3
7,Vick Ballard,2012,22,5-170,IND,NFL,16,12,211,814,3.86,2,50.9,27,17,152,8.94,1,9.5,63.0
8,Knowshon Moreno,2009,22,1-12,DEN,NFL,16,9,247,947,3.83,7,59.2,41,28,213,7.61,2,13.3,68.3
9,Bishop Sankey,2014,22,2-54,TEN,NFL,13,6,131,499,3.81,2,38.4,19,16,106,6.63,0,8.2,84.2
10,Rodney Thomas,1995,22,3-89,HOU,NFL,16,10,251,947,3.77,5,59.2,,39,204,5.23,2,12.8,
11,Tiki Barber,1997,22,2-36,NYG,NFL,12,6,136,511,3.76,3,42.6,,34,299,8.79,1,24.9,
12,Jay Graham,1997,22,3-64,BAL,NFL,13,3,81,299,3.69,2,23.0,,12,51,4.25,0,3.9,
13,Sedrick Irvin,1999,21,4-103,DET,NFL,14,0,36,133,3.69,4,9.5,32,25,233,9.32,0,16.6,78.1
14,Michael Wiley,2000,22,5-144,DAL,NFL,10,0,24,88,3.67,0,8.8,18,14,72,5.14,1,7.2,77.8
15,Reggie Bush,2006,21,1-2,NOR,NFL,16,8,155,565,3.65,6,35.3,121,88,742,8.43,2,46.4,72.7
16,LaDainian Tomlinson,2001,22,1-5,SDG,NFL,16,16,339,1236,3.65,10,77.3,74,59,367,6.22,0,22.9,79.7
17,Karim Abdul-Jabbar,1996,22,3-80,MIA,NFL,16,14,307,1116,3.64,11,69.8,,23,139,6.04,0,8.7,
18,Troy Davis,1997,22,3-62,NOR,NFL,16,7,75,271,3.61,0,16.9,,13,85,6.54,0,5.3,
19,Donald Brown,2009,22,1-27,IND,NFL,11,1,78,281,3.60,3,25.5,14,11,169,15.36,0,15.4,78.6
20,Jacquizz Rodgers,2011,21,5-145,ATL,NFL,16,0,57,205,3.60,1,12.8,27,21,188,8.95,1,11.8,77.8
21,Devonta Freeman,2014,22,4-103,ATL,NFL,13,0,50,178,3.56,0,13.7,28,24,165,6.88,1,12.7,85.7
22,Brandon Jackson,2007,22,2-63,GNB,NFL,11,3,75,267,3.56,1,24.3,22,16,130,8.13,0,11.8,72.7
23,Trent Richardson,2012,21,1-3,CLE,NFL,15,15,267,950,3.56,11,63.3,70,51,367,7.20,1,24.5,72.9
24,John Avery,1998,22,1-29,MIA,NFL,16,0,143,503,3.52,2,31.4,15,10,67,6.70,1,4.2,66.7
25,Le'Veon Bell,2013,21,2-48,PIT,NFL,13,13,244,860,3.52,8,66.2,66,45,399,8.87,0,30.7,68.2
26,William Floyd,1994,22,1-28,SFO,NFL,16,11,87,305,3.51,6,19.1,,19,145,7.63,0,9.1,
27,Lamar Gordon,2002,22,3-84,STL,NFL,13,5,65,228,3.51,1,17.5,38,30,278,9.27,2,21.4,78.9
28,Ricky Williams,1999,22,1-5,NOR,NFL,12,12,253,884,3.49,2,73.7,40,28,172,6.14,0,14.3,70.0
29,Knile Davis,2013,22,3-96,KAN,NFL,16,1,70,242,3.46,4,15.1,15,11,75,6.82,0,4.7,73.3
30,Thomas Jones,2000,22,1-7,ARI,NFL,14,4,112,373,3.33,2,26.6,46,32,208,6.50,0,14.9,69.6
31,Andre Williams,2014,22,4-113,NYG,NFL,13,5,158,524,3.32,6,40.3,29,14,102,7.29,0,7.8,48.3
32,J.J. Arrington,2005,22,2-44,ARI,NFL,15,5,112,370,3.30,2,24.7,34,25,139,5.56,0,9.3,73.5
33,Jahvid Best,2010,21,1-30,DET,NFL,16,9,171,555,3.25,4,34.7,80,58,487,8.40,2,30.4,72.5
34,Damien Williams,2014,,,MIA,NFL,12,12,33,104,3.15,0,8.7,,11,106,9.64,0,8.8,
35,Nick Luchey,1999,22,5-135,CIN,NFL,11,0,10,30,3.00,0,2.7,12,10,96,9.60,0,8.7,83.3
36,Tim Hightower,2008,22,5-149,ARI,NFL,16,7,143,399,2.79,10,24.9,50,34,237,6.97,0,14.8,68.0
37,Glen Coffee,2009,22,3-74,SFO,NFL,14,2,83,226,2.72,1,16.1,18,11,76,6.91,0,5.4,61.1
38,LaRod Stephens-Howling,2009,22,7-240,ARI,NFL,16,2,6,15,2.50,0,0.9,18,10,83,8.30,1,5.2,55.6
39,Dwayne Allen,2012,22,3-64,IND,NFL,16,16,3,5,1.67,0,0.3,66,45,521,11.58,3,32.6,68.2
40,Jameel Cook,2001,22,6-174,TAM,NFL,16,3,2,2,1.00,0,0.1,23,17,89,5.24,0,5.6,73.9

 
cstu said:
msudaisy26 said:
cstu said:
Remember when Ingram looked like a bust after his rookie year? Similar numbers to Sankey and he was on a 13-3 team.
You are cherry picking one guy, and those 2 players aren't a lot a like.
In the past 20 years:

- 22 or younger as rookies

- < 4.0 YPC on at least 100 carries

- >10 Receptions

Lynch, Ingram, Moreno, Tiki Barber, Reggie Bush, Tomlinson, L. Bell and Ricky Williams all were 22 or younger as rookies and had a sub 4.0 YPC. These were all 1st or 2nd round picks.

The rest were Marion Barber, Stacy, Ballard, Rodney Thomas, and John Avery. The only one who was drafted before the 3rd round was Avery at 1.29.
So is your argument that if you are a rookie who is 22 or younger and had at least 10 receptions, if you averaged less than 4 ypc, you are destined for good things? Where is the causality?
Pure cherry picking. The only reason I chose those is because he's a young RB whose best asset for fantasy is his receiving. Under 4 YPC as a rookie was to show that low YPC rookie season doesn't mean much for a young RB.

 
GM said they want to see how Andrews performs in the final three games and talked about their lack of success on third and short....totally saw that coming. Oddly enough I'm hoping this invigorates Sankey (like friendly competition) moreso than Andrews does real well.

 
I'm on the opposite side of that thought process....hoping (but not expecting) they find an unexpected diamond in Andrews. This team has so many positions of need already. I vaguely remember him doing something impressive in pre-season.

I've seen enough of Sankey to think he would be a decent/legitimate backup RB in the NFL, not someone to lead their rushing attack.

 
I felt that way for several weeks, now I wish they had a blue chip talent with blue chip production. I'm afraid if Andrews does well, they'll figure they have two backups and need to land a starter in the offseason and like you said-they have so many other needs to fill

 
McCluster had an amazingly fast run, 10 yards "like that" right up the middle.

Otherwise, Greene seemed to get every carry and showed some great effort because the Jets were all over every run and he had to fight for every inch

 
Hypothetical trade in dynasty this off season which side says no. Bishop sankey for jace amaro. Interested in thoughts.
I would take Sankey, it has nothing to do with the Jets or Titans either because things change. Just a short 4 years ago I had a guy tell me in a dynasty league that he wouldn't touch a Seattle Seahawk in fantasy football ever.

The reason I would take Sankey is because the tight end position is all the same after the top 3. Running backs are more valuable and harder to find.

 
Jets have clearly shown they don't think Amaro is their future IMO. He was quite involved then down to minimally involved and IMO that is not a good sign at all

Tonight Sudfeld had a sweet long play called back. There was a time people here adored his prospects. My guess is the Jets don't have their TE on their roster or Amaro is at best a TE in a sharing situation

 
Rotoworld:

Bishop Sankey - RB - Titans

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said Bishop Sankey is not in the doghouse despite getting out-touched 17-4 by Shonn Greene in Week 15.

Whisenhunt made the infamous "Revenge Narrative" a real thing against the Jets. "I felt he had some extra motivation going against one of his former teams. ... Sometimes you have to get that feeling and go with it," Whiz said. Sankey has been thoroughly unimpressive as a rookie, but giving a borderline NFL talent like Greene the work on a 2-12 team is inexcusable. The nation will be forced to watch the Titans when they play on Thursday night at Jacksonville.

Related: Bishop Sankey

Source: Nashville Tennessean

Dec 16 - 10:30 AM
 
Kuharsky-With the team's top pass-catching back out, the Titans should look more to Sankey. As I've said in the past, he should get more third-down work too. Ken Whisenhunt loves Leon Washington in the third-down role, and he's a reliable veteran pass protector.

But if the first running back off the board can't be trusted in the 15th game of his first regular season to pick up a blitzer, and if he can't provide a more dangerous outlet than Washington, then the Titans are telling us they chose the wrong back.

 
Not sure what happened with Antonio Andrews.

Put in his time on PS, got in to return kicks and did well AND showed the toughness Whisenhunt has been wanting and then....nothing. I thought they wanted to see him in the final few games.

My only guess is the GM said "are you trying to make me look bad?"

I mean it was set up well, even benched Shonn. Since it seemed like Andrews turn to be in the mix, I've barely noticed Sankey either.

 
Bri said:
Sankey's catch rate of 85% is elite, especially for a rookie.
Is it? I don't know re RBs. I've always felt it should be extremely high with so many screen passes
Target stats only go back to 1998 and since then there have been 119 RB's with 10+ catches and 60+ carries - Sankey is #6 (maybe #5 since Kolby Smith's targets are off).
I appreciate the query and it is nice to see target stats on PFR which I believe was added over the past year or so? If it was before then not sure why I never noticed it before. Anyhow it is nice to have that data there now to work with.

The last time I looked at this I found the average catch rate for a primary RB to be 73% so anything above this would be above average. Sankey's catch rate is well above that but I do not think he has enough targets yet. 18 catches on 20 targets is not really enough to judge him against other RB seasons/careers. If he maintains that high catch percentage over 60 targets then perhaps that would be enough, as long as the targets are not spread over 3 seasons.

 
When I watch him play, absolutely nothing about him looks special.
no different than Washington. productive, good measureables, but no trump card as a back
I have been hearing many people say this for about a year now. I still cannot find any objective thing about this statement that I can learn something from.

What trump cards do RB who become starters have working for them?

What is special about Shonn Greene? He has been a starter for two teams. What trump card does he have?

At this time it certainly seems like you, Matt and the majority of draft twitter have been right about Bishop Sankey not being a good enough RB to be a featured RB in the NFL. But I still cannot put my finger on a reason why you all might be right about him.

Matt said Sankey does not have good enough vision to play in a zone blocking system. Which seemed like a pretty strange thing to say considering he played his whole college career in that blocking system and was very productive doing so as a featured RB. As far as I know the Titans have continued with the ZBS they were using with Munchak.

I know I have seen plenty of speed and some good make you miss ability for Sankey. The main weakness to his game seems to be power. Getting yards after contact. This was identified as an issue by ZWK I think as well as others (including me) as something he did not do very well. That observation has been backed up by the HC's statements as well.

Saying he does not run with enough power or generate yards after contact is different from saying he has no special qualities.

The word special itself is very subjective and what is special for one person may not be for someone else.

 

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