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***Official Brady Quinn = Colossal Bust Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Must be one of those AJ Hawk Bust of the Draft kinda threads...

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Kiper has been carrying a torch for Quinn for over a year now, calling him the likely #1 overall pick. He's not even the best at his position in this draft. Oakland has a chance to redeem itself for passing on QB in 2006. "With the first pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select JeMarcus Russell."

 
Quinn in a vacuum still has a lot of positives:

- smooth over the top throwing motion

- good athlete

- fast enough to do some damage across the LoS

- good pocket awareness, senses pressure and moves to avoid it, while keeping play alive

- good decisiveness in pocket to leave and run when nothing is there

- Keeps his head up and ball in good throwing position while scrambling

- throws well on the run

- executes play fakes very well

- understands and executes a complex offense

- good footwork

- understands how to use his receivers height to his advantage (slightly overthrows tall receivers)

- generally hits receivers in stride and at chest level, allowing them to rack up YAC

There's more, but the point is, he has already demonstrated a lot of what you look for in a pro QB. It also helps that Charlie Weis is the #1 reference on Quinn's resume.

The problem with Quinn is that we've seen that he wilts on the biggest stages. He doesn't melt down, like oh, Chris Simms at Texas, but he turns tentative. He doesn't "rise to the occasion".

I definitely see some of the bad parts of Eli (lacking fire at times), Carr (playing scared), and Harrington (ineffectual when challenged) in Quinn, but he does some signature comeback wins this year, albeit against weaker teams. You also will be getting the most pro ready of the 2007 QB class. In a way, the conventional wisdom swinging towards "he will be a bust" may help Quinn. I think he was much more likely to be a bust if he was coming in as "the savior" - we all know that he's not that guy. If he comes in as a top 3 pick, they'll tear him apart when he fails early, and I don't know how he'll take that. If he comes in as an 8-15 pick, he'll get more leeway, and more time to watch before being asked to play, and that will help.

So, LHUCKS, will Quinn be Eli bad, Carr bad, Harrington bad, or *gulp* Leaf bad?

 
In to put my take in that I think Quinn will be an average to above average NFL QB.

and to correct those that continue to mess up Russell's first name it is:

JaMarcus with an A.

 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
So, LHUCKS, will Quinn be Eli bad, Carr bad, Harrington bad, or *gulp* Leaf bad?
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You know it's hard to say because environment plays such a large part...my opinion on taking QBs early in general is that it's generally a bad play.I like the Carr comparisons...although Carr looked better in his college games IMHO...more of a consistent playmaker.
 
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Schrute said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
really I cannot decide if Quinn is more like Pawlus or Mirer.
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Great post. I've seen Quinn play a number of games and I just can't shake that Rick Mirer feeling. Quinn will flop, especially if taken by franchises like Oakland or Detroit.
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Dude, Quinn is nothing like Mirer. Mirer was a "mobile" and I use that lightly, QB who everyone thought needed a couple years to learn how to control the "playmaker/gunslinger" mentality. Quinn is ready to play now, but lacks a few of the things like, say, heart and want-to. To answer Bloom, I think he's more like an Eli guy and less a Carr guy. Though I could see Carr as an apt comparison as well.
 
Good job Sigmund...

I agree, I think Quinn is the most refined, pro-ready QB coming out in the draft. He throws a nice ball, runs the offense well, handles the pocket well, not scared to take the hit...

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Quinn in a vacuum still has a lot of positives:- smooth over the top throwing motion- good athlete- fast enough to do some damage across the LoS- good pocket awareness, senses pressure and moves to avoid it, while keeping play alive- good decisiveness in pocket to leave and run when nothing is there- Keeps his head up and ball in good throwing position while scrambling- throws well on the run- executes play fakes very well- understands and executes a complex offense- good footwork- understands how to use his receivers height to his advantage (slightly overthrows tall receivers)- generally hits receivers in stride and at chest level, allowing them to rack up YACThere's more, but the point is, he has already demonstrated a lot of what you look for in a pro QB. It also helps that Charlie Weis is the #1 reference on Quinn's resume.The problem with Quinn is that we've seen that he wilts on the biggest stages. He doesn't melt down, like oh, Chris Simms at Texas, but he turns tentative. He doesn't "rise to the occasion".
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Excellent assessment. I don't think Quinn will be a bust at all. While I think it is a mistake to view him as a savior, it is also a mistake to view him as a bust because he did not play well when matched up against superior competition. It is not Quinn's fault that ND is overhyped and has marginal athletes. ND was a car wreck when Chucky took over. They still aren't close to the hype- they just don't lose many winnable games anymore. When they play against superior athletes and decent coaching, they just get rocked.Quinn is nothing like Mirer or Powlus. He has better footwork, mechanics and ball fakes than many NFL starting quarterbacks. If you watch him, it is clear that he has studied Tom Brady on tape and that he has listened to Weis. That means that he is coachable and wants to improve. That is a very important attribute in a player. Quinn did not have the luxury of playing against the ND defense in his last game. He would be a lock for the top QB pick if he did. He played against a top SEC team. Russell, who is now everyone's number 1 QB, looked like crap against two of three best SEC teams that he faced, and that isn't counting his 3 INT's against Tennessee. Quinn will be a decent/above average starter in the league. I see him as a more controlled, fundamentally sound Jake Plummer. Low side, David Carr, high side- Hasselbeck.
 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
He doesn't melt down, like oh, Chris Simms at Texas, but he turns tentative. He doesn't "rise to the occasion". I definitely see some of the bad parts of Eli (lacking fire at times), Carr (playing scared), and Harrington (ineffectual when challenged) in Quinn, but he does some signature comeback wins this year, albeit against weaker teams. You also will be getting the most pro ready of the 2007 QB class. In a way, the conventional wisdom swinging towards "he will be a bust" may help Quinn. I think he was much more likely to be a bust if he was coming in as "the savior" - we all know that he's not that guy. If he comes in as a top 3 pick, they'll tear him apart when he fails early, and I don't know how he'll take that. If he comes in as an 8-15 pick, he'll get more leeway, and more time to watch before being asked to play, and that will help. So, LHUCKS, will Quinn be Eli bad, Carr bad, Harrington bad, or *gulp* Leaf bad?
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11. Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger10 Arizona Matt Leinart 11 Denver Jay Cutler After what these guys have done early, I don't know how much leeway he will get.
 
Last year LHUCKS predicted A.J. Hawk to be the bust of the draft and his value selections, based upon FBG's rankings, were hitting at about 1 out of every 20. Take what he says with a grain of salt, including his endless Pac10 schtick. If anything LHUCKS predictions are right up there with TGunz giving Vegas line advice.

 
LHUCKS...you know in your heart of hearts if Brady Quinn had identical numbers but was a Trojan, this thread would read much differently.

 
Jason Wood said:
LHUCKS...you know in your heart of hearts if Brady Quinn had identical numbers but was a Trojan, this thread would read much differently.
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No it wouldn't. This is based on my evaluation of his performances, which are unfortunately on national television every weekend. I talk about Pac10 players the most because I'm the most familiar with them, but I'll comment on anyone who I've seen enough of.
 
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