meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Hue put McCown in to try to get a spark out of his offense. He wasn't trying to lose. It backfired on him, but at least he tried. Be made at yourself for putting in Coleman over Thomas.
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Official Corey Coleman - WR - Patriots (3 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.
Yep.
I'm not a Cleveland fan, Mr Fantasy Coach of the Yesr.
And it had nothing to do with hindsight. It's just a terrible decision. Live it. Own it.
As for "holding" Cooper & Crabrree to any totals, maybe thats because Oakland went old school and ran 237 times. Guess you missed that game.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Backfired? McCown was lucky to only have 3 turnovers. Any reason he didn't try to respark the team and pull McCown. He looked awful and Kessler wasn't doing all that bad. Heck of a spark to be up 7-6 at half and end up buried 28-7. Sorry, you put McCown in and he has a turnover. Maybe you let him play a bit more. Turnover 2? You got to get him out of there. Turnover 3? Nah, we're already down by too much. Almost turnover 4? Nah, we're cooking with gas now.
Oh, well, I guess it was a terrible call. In my league, Coleman 4 points, Thomas 4 points. Shocking how they ended up with the same amount of points since FBGs had them close and I got a wash even though Coleman had to deal with switching QBs. I must be the worst FF guy in the world. Amazing that all 3 of my teams are in first place and I still won my game even with Coleman's crappy game. Enjoy life and Browns fans, enjoy losing for Kizer or losing for Watson or losing for ??? Oh well, see you guys later!Bingo!
wilked
Footballguy
wilked
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In hindsight yes. They worked out the same.
but it was still a terrible call. No one would predict Thomas to fumble twice.
Terrible, horrible call. It's not even debatable.
Its mind boggling that you're hanging your hat on this decision like it was a good idea to start Coleman over Thomas.
Comedy.
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LOL, you still don't get it. They were ranked closely. I went based on my gut that I didn't think Thomas would have a great game or score a TD. I was right on both calls. Also, you still don't get the fact that many sites (including this one, whose rankings I use to make decide between what I think are close calls) had them ranked closely, which by definition means it wasn't a terrible/horrible call. Everyone in this thread was really excited about Coleman's prospects. Now, after Thursday night, you act like he sucks and everyone knew he was bad. They are both rookie WRs and you act like Thomas is some sort of god and Coleman is terrible.In hindsight yes. They worked out the same.
but it was still a terrible call. No one would predict Thomas to fumble twice.
Terrible, horrible call. It's not even debatable.
Its mind boggling that you're hanging your hat on this decision like it was a good idea to start Coleman over Thomas.
Comedy.
It's easy to say it's a terrible call when Coleman had already played and Thomas hadn't. It's not even worth trying to debate the stuff you were completely wrong on. You said Thomas had monster games at home because of the turf when I proved you were wrong that his two monster games were one the road. I showed you the 14 WR TDs to 2 WR TDs for Baltimore versus Cleveland and not a peep. Now, that I was right about Thomas having a sub par game, you say no one could predict Thomas fumbling. Well, no one could predict Hue switching to McCown and him having 3/almost 4 turnovers and just blowing great garbage time chances. If Kessler stayed in Coleman would have outscored Thomas IMHO, so no not a terrible call.
They both score 4 points in my league and only one had a QB change in game when the game was still winnable. No environmental changes for Thomas, so I was 100% right on worrying that Thomas wouldn't have a good game. I was just wrong that I thought Coleman would have a good game. I wish I went with Eli Rogers, but I picked up Coleman for the rest of the season.
Oh well, you stick to your guns even though you have provided no actual detail into why it was a horrible call that was actually correct and not debunked. Adios muchacho, I'm done here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It's easy to say it's a terrible call because it's a terrible call.
That one fantasy writer ranked them closely only serves to lose that fantasy writer credibility.
Because Thomas,as I and others have pointed out, had been a weekly borderline WR1, while Coleman had a good game with a different QB starting, then got hurt in practice and missed a couple months.
this isn't remotely close, but hey - it's your team, and if you're comfy rolling out Coleman over Thomas on a weekly basis who am I to judge.
Have at it - I hope he wins your league for you. Just don't call me a Browns homer again.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
don't think I can hang onto Coleman any longer, I'm fighting for survival
grateful zed
Footballguy
Thu Jan 5 6:06:53 p.m. MT 2017
(FFChamps) The alleged incident from the morning of Dec. 31 that occurred in the lobby of the apartment building in which Coleman resides left the victim hospitalized with a ruptured ear drum and a concussion. Although the police stated Coleman was not a suspect, the rookie wideout was, in fact, accused and named in the initial police report. If Coleman is convicted of any crime or involvement in this altercation, he will likely face reprimand from the NFL, which may include fines and/or suspensions.
Analysis: To update an earlier report, Browns wide receiver Corey Coleman's name has surfaced on a police report "detailing an alleged felonious assault" that occurred during the early morning hours of December 31 in Cleveland. However, the police said that Coleman "is not a suspect."
(FFChamps) The alleged incident from the morning of Dec. 31 that occurred in the lobby of the apartment building in which Coleman resides left the victim hospitalized with a ruptured ear drum and a concussion. Although the police stated Coleman was not a suspect, the rookie wideout was, in fact, accused and named in the initial police report. If Coleman is convicted of any crime or involvement in this altercation, he will likely face reprimand from the NFL, which may include fines and/or suspensions.
Analysis: To update an earlier report, Browns wide receiver Corey Coleman's name has surfaced on a police report "detailing an alleged felonious assault" that occurred during the early morning hours of December 31 in Cleveland. However, the police said that Coleman "is not a suspect."
grateful zed
Footballguy
huge value in dynasty here.
where does he rank among wrs?
where does he rank among wrs?
Gandalf
Footballguy
Dynasty I have him in the 20-30 vicinity for next season with trajectory headed higher.
of course this requires some stability at QB which is not a lay up
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
All comes down to who's throwing to him.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Pretty easy to be excited- started out hot, broke his hand and probably fell behind as a rookie, not to mention the qb fiasco. Looks to be a target monster, I can't even name another Cleveland wr- Hawkins is gone, Pryor is gone, the tes are nothing to worry about. Even if it's Kessler/osweiler he should be able to get in lineups as a wr3 or flex as a floor this year if he's healthy. Rather have it be a hand injury than an ankle or knee.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Potentially Josh Gordon. Maybe one of several playmaking receivers out of this draft. But yeah I am hoping Coleman blows up this year.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Upgrade from the 9 guys they started last year- I know, it's sad. If they find someone more competent he could end up a wr 2 with the target share he should get. Britt is ok, and Gordon is 3 years removed from his big 2013 campaign and has barely seen the field, so I'm tempering expectations for him. If he's back he may not stay on Cleveland.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
What's the consensus on Coleman here with Osweiler (or other QB TBD)? In dynasty rankings he seems to be around guys like Baldwin, Moncrief, Adams, Parker, Shepard, etc. Do we see him jumping up to the tier with guys like Alshon, Allen, Landry, Diggs or drop down with Cobb, Matthews, Benjamin, Pryor?
Pwingles
Footballguy
imo, the only way his arrow points down is with Brock at qb. Its literally the only way their qb situation could be worse than last year. Fortunately there is a next to zero % chance he is their opening day starter, so I would say at the very least, he stays where he is currently valued at
Dope
Footballguy
This guy is the ultimate hold right now.
He really has many pathways...I could see him being a top 5 guy if things break his way or below top 40 if they don't.
Milkman
Footballguy
He needs a QB but I see him as a future WR1. I saw flashes and the injury killed his developement last year but he still had momants last year, although not very often, where I saw special.
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
Totally agree. In dynasty make sure you have 2-3 options ahead of him this year if you want to contend. He could really crap the bed depending on the uncertain QB and WR situations. On the other hand, he could be a PPR goldmine if he's in the slot. I'm hoping for a second year breakout but planning for the third or fourth year.
Mary Kay Cabot
✔@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Corey Coleman walking off slowly into locker room after landing funny on a catch. Hue Jackson went to check on him while down
11:54 AM - 24 May 2017 · Middleburg Heights, OH
Mary Kay Cabot
✔@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Hue Jackson said Corey Coleman "will be fine." Said he came down funny on the ball.
12:30 PM - 24 May 2017 · Ohio, USA
✔@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Corey Coleman walking off slowly into locker room after landing funny on a catch. Hue Jackson went to check on him while down
11:54 AM - 24 May 2017 · Middleburg Heights, OH
Mary Kay Cabot
✔@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Hue Jackson said Corey Coleman "will be fine." Said he came down funny on the ball.
12:30 PM - 24 May 2017 · Ohio, USA
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Frustrating start for this young mans career.
tombonneau
Footballguy
If healthy, I'm very bullish. I'm in second-year league and traded away my only vet (Alshon) and am all in on the young bucks. I'm penciling him in as a starter and don't feel overly concerned about it. He looked like he belonged early in the year.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
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I should have clarified that I am talking dynasty, not redraft. I still do like him as a big value pick this year in redrafts though.
The hamstring is my primary concern, too. Like JFS171 I've been trying to acquire but recently I've started to lose interest as I've become wary of the hammies. I like the combo of Kizer and Coleman long term, though, if Coleman is healthy. If he turns into Miles Austin, all bets are off.
JFS171
Footballguy
He's been healthy since early camp though, right? I'm not as concerned about the hamstring, and obviously breaking a hand isn't something likely to be chronic.
Just glancing back at the combine numbers - holy cow this kid is an athlete. I trust Hugh Jackson when it comes to putting his players in the best positions to succeed. Almost wonder if they've kinda been keeping Coleman under wraps this preseason.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Put me down as cautiously optimistic. I have him in a 12 team league, and am hoping he can be my feast or famine WR3, winning me a game or two with a huge game, but not exactly someone I can count on for weekly production. Anything beyond that will be a bonus.
I haven't followed that closely but I thought I read something about the hammies being a recurring problem. Not worried about the hand at all. But yeah, Coleman isn't big but he's quite the athlete. Too bad there's zero correlation between combine numbers and WR fantasy performance! But electric numbers are always reassuring all the same, right?
But funny you should say that about Hue. I trust him as a coach, but he didn't really allow Coleman to use his full skill set last year. He's good with the ball in his hands, but he had him running deep routes almost exclusively. Well, that might be overstating it, but he did run a LOT of nine routes last year and not very many short routes. I'd like to see him running a more diverse route tree. However, I think he and Kizer will be dynamite in the long game eventually.
JFS171
Footballguy
Exactly right - I heard Matt Harmon talking about this on a podcast. He said per his reception perception analysis that Coleman ran something like 36% of his routes as nine or go routes. It's like he was being used to clear out space for Pryor to operate and Crowell to run. Part of the problem with that is those are inherently low percentage routes. Part too is it's not the best usage of Coleman, and part of it as well is that Kessler didn't have the arm for it.
Kizer has a massive arm to throw the deep ball, but I agree - I want to see Coleman used like OBJ. Get the ball in his hands on screens and slants. Get him on crossing routes. Coleman is at his best running after the catch where those uber-athletic traits come into play the most. Hopefully we see more of that this year with Coleman featured in the passing game.
