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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)

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California stay at home order to fight coronavirus doesn’t replace the stricter local rules. It's the minimum. 
i read it.. i was just attempting to lighten the mood.  i appreciate you posting it.  common sense, just ain't so common.

these steps, that we are asking to take, by the CDC, are simple.  how people choose to interpret them, is another story.  state to state shouldn't matter.

 
Here’s the thing...

If we don’t go all in (lockdown)... people will start to challenge the ‘non-essential biz’ definitions. My studios are 1-on-1 personal training. 1 client @ a time. We can sanitize each station between clients. Wear gloves etc. In 2 weeks if we aren’t on full federal mandate lockdown I’m going to be tempted to reopen. We have clients emailing saying they want to come back. It’s difficult to hold back demand when you see crowds at the park and at Costco and your business is 10x safer that that. 
 

####### pisses me off. 

 
We can only lock it down so much. Some people still won't give a ####. Then in a few weeks...then what? This isn't going away any time soon.
My take on what I have been hearing is you lock everyone away, social distancing to buy time to see how bad we are off and limit the number of future infected.

This give hospitals, HC system some time so they aren’t completely overwhelmed. Gives the governments, everyone who plans stuff out a chance to try and get their #### together. Get tests out, find equipment, basically try and figure out what we are going to do, see how bad it really is going to be.

 
for this reason and the general attitude of the NFL, I think it's closer to 75% it happens
The players will want their money too. That will be a factor. Of course, not if they are mandated to shut down. But then nfl is so big they’ll get an exception. Trump will say they are needed to help the nation cope or whatever. 

 
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Non-China Reported Cases

2/7 - 277 reported cases

2/12 - 490 reported cases

2/17 - 893 reported cases -  5 dead 

2/22 - 1,834 reported cases - 19 dead

2/26 - 3,650 reported cases - 57 dead

2/29 - 7,155 reported cases - 109 dead - USA 68 cases - 1 dead

3/1 -    9,039 reported cases - 133 dead - USA 76 cases - 1 dead

3/5 - 17,353 reported cases - 344 dead - USA 210 cases - 12 dead

3/9 - 33,303 reported cases - 881 dead - USA 628 cases - 26 dead

3/13 - 64,567 reported cases - 2,239 dead - USA 2,269 cases - 48 dead

3/14 - 75,916 reported cases - 2,640 dead - USA 2,995 cases - 60 dead

3/15 - 88,508 reported cases - 3,302 dead - USA 3,667 cases - 68 dead

3/16 - 101,557 reported cases - 3,931 dead - USA 4,663 cases - 86 dead

3/17 - 117,300 reported cases - 4,739 dead - USA 6,439 cases - 109 dead

3/18 - 138,059 reported cases - 5,715 dead - USA 9,301 cases - 152 dead

3/19 - 164,646 reported cases - 6,800 dead - USA 14,299 cases - 218 dead

3/20 - 194,589 reported cases - 8126 dead - USA 19,383 cases - 256 dead

3/21 - 225,885 reported cases - 9,771 dead - USA 26,112 cases - 325 dead

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-J_vry7rclLIGooJ-Cu7OFH8rRRjB51lz1iGkwcTETc/edit#gid=0

Looks like I forgot to do this last night.  Last two days in bold.  
So has it passed the number of people that died from the flu yet?   Or even come close?  

 
My take on what I have been hearing is you lock everyone away, social distancing to buy time to see how bad we are off and limit the number of future infected.

This give hospitals, HC system some time so they aren’t completely overwhelmed. Gives the governments, everyone who plans stuff out a chance to try and get their #### together. Get tests out, find equipment, basically try and figure out what we are going to do, see how bad it really is going to be.
Like being a fifth of the way down the mountain and trying to out-ski a massive avalanche. Oh, and you don't know how to ski.

 
It's more serious - but I really don't think we know how much more serious.   It does spread more easily.     The mortality rate seems somewhat higher, but that's still unclear because the data is so truly limited.     Based on the ease of transfer I think millions of Americans have it right now already.   
i dont think you understand what a novel virus is

 
Been hot in Florida all last ten days.  Upper 80s and low 90s.  Numbers climbing through the roof.  I don't see a warm weather reprieve coming.....
The climbing numbers we see in this country are a result of increased testing.  I'm still holding out hope that it will lessen the R0, but it's just that.  Hope.  No data behind it yet.

 
Pretty sure I have several thousand N 95 masks at our warehouse space. 3M donated a whole bunch of stuff to our museum over the years. I am contemplating going over to take a look to make sure we indeed have that many and I will make them available to any hospital worker in the area
And I just want to say, that contemplating was the wrong word choice. Debating may have been better. Contemplating sounds like I was weighing the options of not giving these masks.

Either way, I had to run this up the chain, but looks like Regions Hospital here in St Paul will be getting a healthy does of masks from us come Monday :thumbup:

 
This 39-year-old New Orleans woman tested for coronavirus. She died before getting her results.

On March 10, Natasha Ott, 39, felt the beginnings of a cold coming on. 

She had a slight fever. CrescentCare, the medical clinic where she worked, had only a handful of tests for the new strain of coronavirus on hand. She initially passed on the chance to take one, after being told she was low-risk for the serious disease.

When her symptoms didn't shake, she did take the test on Monday. By Thursday, she felt "something in her lungs," she told longtime partner Josh Anderson. But she still felt well enough by then to join Anderson as the pair walked her dog. 

On Friday, Anderson found Ott dead in her kitchen. 

Her test results have still not come back. The Orleans Parish Coroner's Office has not released a cause of death; state health officials have not said whether they believe it was a case of coronavirus.

 
Been hot in Florida all last ten days.  Upper 80s and low 90s.  Numbers climbing through the roof.  I don't see a warm weather reprieve coming.....
I’m curious about this. Do you (or does anyone) have the Florida data? Does numbers = tested positive, hospitalizations, deaths, all of the above, or something else? 

 
I'm probably 40-50% on football, NFL or college happening.  If I knew for sure I'd be a much better business owner on managing my inventory levels today.
I know that I’m not renewing my season tickets for next year. But that’s mostly because Bill O’Brien traded Deandre Hopkins. 

 
Here’s the thing...

If we don’t go all in (lockdown)... people will start to challenge the ‘non-essential biz’ definitions. My studios are 1-on-1 personal training. 1 client @ a time. We can sanitize each station between clients. Wear gloves etc. In 2 weeks if we aren’t on full federal mandate lockdown I’m going to be tempted to reopen. We have clients emailing saying they want to come back. It’s difficult to hold back demand when you see crowds at the park and at Costco and your business is 10x safer that that. 
 

####### pisses me off. 
My income stream is zero now and I havent seen my son for 9 days due to quarantine(him). 

So i am pretty pissed too. Especially when I see granny at the store buying cake mix or hear stories of my in laws and it seems everybody's parents on here too. 

Offered to help a friend's mom get groceries or whatever else. My friend lives out of town. He called his mom to get it set up. I would put it on the back porch, wipe it down, wear gloves, etc. 

"Dont worry the grocery store has an hour in the morning set aside for the elderly! "

Sigh...

 
Here’s the thing...

If we don’t go all in (lockdown)... people will start to challenge the ‘non-essential biz’ definitions. My studios are 1-on-1 personal training. 1 client @ a time. We can sanitize each station between clients. Wear gloves etc. In 2 weeks if we aren’t on full federal mandate lockdown I’m going to be tempted to reopen. We have clients emailing saying they want to come back. It’s difficult to hold back demand when you see crowds at the park and at Costco and your business is 10x safer that that. 
 

####### pisses me off. 
Wishing you the best. Seems like your path forward is to have a frank conversation with your clients and ABS (Always Be Sterilizing).

 
And I just want to say, that contemplating was the wrong word choice. Debating may have been better. Contemplating sounds like I was weighing the options of not giving these masks.

Either way, I had to run this up the chain, but looks like Regions Hospital here in St Paul will be getting a healthy does of masks from us come Monday :thumbup:
Awesome. Thanks man!  You are at a local university right?

 
i dont think you understand what a novel virus is
Sure, it’s one we haven’t seen before.   The flu itself comes out in novel strains all the time doesn’t it?
Not exactly. Most flu strains are slight mutations of known strains. That's why we've been able to quickly come up with a vaccine for the most common strains each year.

That option isn't available with the coronavirus.

 
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Wishing you the best. Seems like your path forward is to have a frank conversation with your clients and ABS (Always Be Sterilizing).
Yeah - weird thing is on the back side of this thing we will see increased demand vs the large health clubs. But - no one knows when. 

 
I know that I’m not renewing my season tickets for next year. But that’s mostly because Bill O’Brien traded Deandre Hopkins. 
My fear is not just teams holding that capital and then refunding, but the colleges trying to scoop the per seat donation required and claiming even if the season doesn't happen that it's still a "donation".  

 
My income stream is zero now and I havent seen my son for 9 days due to quarantine(him). 

So i am pretty pissed too. Especially when I see granny at the store buying cake mix or hear stories of my in laws and it seems everybody's parents on here too. 

Offered to help a friend's mom get groceries or whatever else. My friend lives out of town. He called his mom to get it set up. I would put it on the back porch, wipe it down, wear gloves, etc. 

"Dont worry the grocery store has an hour in the morning set aside for the elderly! "

Sigh...
Seriously. People taking it seriously are getting ####ed over. Then there’s everyone else...

 
I have talked to friends in NYC and definitely there are a lot of people grocery shopping and families going to parks and playgrounds.
They did grocery shopping in China too
Yes. However, during the strictest part of the Wuhan quarantine, people were not free to grocery shop whenever they wanted. Hours were curtailed, and it was limited to one trip out per day per household. There was some kind of card or badge that the police needed to vet for everyone who left their homes to go get food or medicine.

There were also specific households for which no one was allowed to leave, and the police brought food and medicine to those households.

I don't think anywhere in the US is quite there yet.

 
@DrJ has been correct in almost everything he's said on this page.  No reason to attack.  No, Covid-19 is not responsible for as many deaths as the flu yet. There's currently under 10,000 reported deaths from the Coronavirus and there were about 34000 flu deaths last year. 

We don't know the infection rate or mortality rate, and we can't know them accurately without accurate testing. We can estimate them pretty well, though, using infection rates from other populations and comparing mortality rates. We can use the total number of tests that have been provided, the total number of positive results and the number of deaths to compare numbers. We can predict the growth in positive tests each day and see if the actual growth is greater than the prediction, which suggests that there's more people actually sick than are getting tested, because we aren't testing everyone yet.  If we see a higher than expected rate of positive tests, it suggests that people are only getting tested once they're symptomatic. All of these things help our predictions. 

 
https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/comments/fmq69r/im_an_rn_taking_care_of_covid19_patients_an/

Scary post from a nurse on reddit

I'm an RN taking care of COVID-19 patients. An experience I had with one of them has completely reshaped how my brain thinks about food and life.

This is a throwaway account to protect my identity and employer. I'm willing to provide proof if mods request it.

I work as an RN in a rather densely populated suburban hospital in the Northeast US. A couple weeks ago, we started getting COVID-19 cases in my unit. All of these patients we considered "rule out", as in we literally didn't have the tests to swab them with so we were forced to assume they had the disease if they were showing symptoms. So far, the large majority of these patients were negative and sent home (Great News!). However, that doesn't mean we haven't had our share of positives. These patients can seem okay, but a smaller number of them can slowly deteriorate. I had experience with one of them. He was a rather healthy and active 40-ish year old male, slightly overweight, slightly hypertensive (high blood pressure). He was complaining of a little bit of sharp pain in his chest when breathing in. Otherwise, he was stable, we were just giving him a little oxygen. My next night with him, he was on a little more oxygen because his oxygen saturation started dropping, but otherwise stable. The next night, he couldn't breathe if he talked for more than a few sentences at a time (very bad sign), but again, still stable otherwise. In the back of my head I knew he going to deteriorate further and probably would need to be intubated and attached to a ventilator eventually. I gave him a breathing treatments with little effect, I increased his oxygen with little effect, but again, he was still stable. I informed the doctors of this so they were aware, but there was really nothing further we could do for him at that point as I had given him every appropriate medication and intervention. Close to the end of my shift his call light went off and I can hear him in the room absolutely gasping for air. Without even going in the room I called for a rapid response (the emergency team in the hospital). Mind you, it takes a solid 2 minutes just to get inside these rooms with all the PPE (e.g. gloves, gown, N95 mask, and face shield) we're required to wear. By the time I got in, his lips were blue, he's gasping for air, and absolutely begging to breathe normally. He was immediately intubated by the hospitalist and sent to the ICU. He's currently sedated, intubated, on a ventilator, and on a rotoprone bed (a bed that rotates you like a rotisserie chicken to move accumulated fluid in your lungs). I currently have no idea if he'll make it through this.

I understand this was only my first patient for this to happen to. There are going to be tens/hundreds more most likely. But, it's already completely changed me. I'm a big guy, I've always been overweight. I'm 6'2", 285lbs and have the same body type and a couple of the same co-morbidities as that patient. Hearing that COVID-19 affects people with hypertension and obesity harder than other people scares the absolute crap out of me after seeing it first hand. We're being forced to reuse PPE (only the N95 masks at this point), so I know I'm most likely going to be exposed to this disease at some point. I used to binge eat after work to calm the stress. Now, the thought of eating an entire frozen pizza or an entire bag of chips absolutely disgusts me to my core. I know that I'm at increased risk of heart attack, stroke, and other terrible diseases but COVID is a slowly progressing, agonizing disease. It has completely scared me straight. I understand it's sad that it's taken this crisis for me to care about myself but it's forced me to reevaluate what is important in life. I guess as an RN, I've always thought about others before myself, but this has made me realize I WANT TO LIVE. I want to be healthy. If I get sick, I don't want it to be because I didn't care for myself. I want it to be because it was my time, and knowing that I did everything I could do for myself.

I've been counting my calories. I've been eating way more salads, grilled chicken, rice, vegetables and I feel great. I've lost 7 lbs in the past week. With the quarantine situation, I've been taking more walks outside in the fresh air (which is great for my mental health). I know the weight loss will slow over time, but I'm in this for the long haul.

Also, younger people, YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE. Take this disease deadly serious, because it is deadly. Don't play the COVID ventilator lottery because you want to go drinking or have a night out. Your night out is not worth tying up a ventilator for 2-3 weeks to keep you alive instead of someone else.

TL;DR: Simply be happy you are able breathe because you never know when that will be taken from you.

 
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@DrJ has been correct in almost everything he's said on this page.  No reason to attack.  No, Covid-19 is not responsible for as many deaths as the flu yet. There's currently under 10,000 reported deaths from the Coronavirus and there were about 34000 flu deaths last year. 

We don't know the infection rate or mortality rate, and we can't know them accurately without accurate testing. We can estimate them pretty well, though, using infection rates from other populations and comparing mortality rates. We can use the total number of tests that have been provided, the total number of positive results and the number of deaths to compare numbers. We can predict the growth in positive tests each day and see if the actual growth is greater than the prediction, which suggests that there's more people actually sick than are getting tested, because we aren't testing everyone yet.  If we see a higher than expected rate of positive tests, it suggests that people are only getting tested once they're symptomatic. All of these things help our predictions. 
Not to mention, besides my reasonable doubts I am actually practicing social distancing.    I stood away from people at the one store I went to today and it’s the first time I left my house since Thursday.  

 
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