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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (5 Viewers)

The Ohio Senate passed a big bill that waives school testing and school report cards for 2019-2020 year, lets seniors graduate if school determines on track to do so prior to the #coronavirus emergency

crazy.       Oklahoma has closed the schools but is going to try online teaching.  

 
People are not policing themselves well enough.   Still small towns over Oklahoma staying open.  Gatherings of more than "X" people.    It has to be mandated by law enforcement for some people to "get it!"   

 
Doug B said:
(Assuming you are in or near San Antonio)

Given the city's population, it looks like you guys are actually doing all right at the moment. Maybe you area will escape the worst of it. Gotta keep up hope that the social distancing and general good sense helps keep that curve flattened in the SA are.
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Yep... cases are going up, but the medical community feels prepared.  We will see if/when it gets tested, but the general vibe is confident that they/we are going to get through.

 
Mr. Ham said:
We are under a “shelter in place” order. I’m telling you, it’s not that far from a regular Wednesday out there. People should be home, period. I do not believe that most of those people on the road were just out driving. Highways were busy. Too large a % are engaging in activities that being them face-to-face with people. Unless unavoidable, people should do their part. What I saw leads me to believe far too many don’t care or aren’t educated on what that is.
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People are treating this like a normal day off.   So much traffic on the road today that wasn't on Monday and Tuesday.    ####### people hoarding the TP and just hanging out at the local parks.

 
bradyfan said:
Spain has surpassed China in death toll today. 😢

  1. Italy:   7,603 (+683) deaths, 7,4386 cases
  2. Spain:  3,434 (+443) deaths, 47,610 cases
  3. China:  3,281 (+4) deaths, 81,218 cases
  4. Iran:   2,077 (+143) deaths, 27,017 cases
  5. France:   1,100 deaths, 22,304 cases
  6. USA:   819 (+39) deaths, 60,653 cases
  7. UK:   433(+11) deaths, 8,227 cases
  8. Netherlands:   356 (+80) deaths, 6,412 cases
  9. Germany:   186 (+27) deaths, 35,470 cases
  10. Belgium:   178 (+56) deaths, 4,937 cases
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Those case numbers I posted yesterday were revised up as well to around 7k and deaths up to 680 or so. Numbers appear better today but imagine they are revised up again as can’t imagine initials numbers don’t change again. Spain is in worse shape then Italy at this point. 

 
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parasaurolophus said:
They shut off shipments to us. In addition they secretly bought back tons of the stock they had already shipped to us.
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So they had shipped PPE stuff to the US. Then approached the receivers and purchased it back. For money. Not by threatening anything. Just offering money.
Yeah, underhanded. Those damn commies. Tricking US companies with greed and profit

 
shader said:
I think.  I wrote that as I was watching Cuomo's press conference.  That's what he had on his powerpoint.  Worldometer is only reporting 4,463 for New York though.  So I don't really know, it's possible his powerpoint was from the last 24 hours (since his last press conference yesterday morning) and worldometer only includes new reports for today, I'm not really sure.  
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Regardless of the cut off point, that is still a very concerning number.

 
shader said:
We are on a 6-day stretch in Italy where we are getting 5-6k new cases a day.  It's certainly good news that things seem to have leveled off.  But as long as they are getting 5k new cases a day, there's no end in sight to their quarantine. 
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At some point, a leveling off isn't even a good sign, right? The # od people who have are not infected grows smaller everyday as new cases arise. Not sure when, and maybe no time soon, but maintaining the same amount of newly added cases actually becomes a bad sign?

Or am I way off in this thinking

 
msommer said:
So they had shipped PPE stuff to the US. Then approached the receivers and purchased it back. For money. Not by threatening anything. Just offering money.
Yeah, underhanded. Those damn commies. Tricking US companies with greed and profit
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Well, yeah. US Companies have put greed over our own for a very long time. Hopefully some of that changes after this, but I won't hold my breath.

 
the moops said:
At some point, a leveling off isn't even a good sign, right? The # od people who have are not infected grows smaller everyday as new cases arise. Not sure when, and maybe no time soon, but maintaining the same amount of newly added cases actually becomes a bad sign?

Or am I way off in this thinking
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5,000 is a lot of new cases to have every day and, imo, indicates that their issues are not going away anytime soon.  To put it in perspective, South Korea never had 5,000 cases a day.  China only reported 5,000 a day TWICE.

 
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It’s behind a pay wall.  Please provide a quote. 
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The formatting is bad but I cut and pasted what I could below. The link to the referenced Oxford study can be accessed here.

 Oxford study New epidemiological model suggests the vast majority of people suffer little or no illness If the results of the study are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment © Tolga Akmen/AFP Share on Twitter (opens new window) Share on Facebook (opens new window) Share on LinkedIn (opens new window) Save Clive Cookson, Science Editor YESTERDAYPrint this page1004 Be the first to know about every new Coronavirus story Get instant email alerts

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford. If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all. “We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said. The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February. The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.  However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic. The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus. The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.  Recommended Martin Wolf This pandemic is an ethical challenge But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated. Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19. To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days. 
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Mr. Ham said:
Not only was it crowded out—but cars on the road seem to be operating on the assumption they won’t get pulled over. Way above average of cars and trucks going 100+ on the highway. 
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As someone who is still - as of now - going into the office every day, I have noticed this too in the past week+.  There are fewer cars on the road than usual, and no cops presumably they have more important things to be doing right now.

On my commute, I have to drive on a 30 mph 4-lane divided highway and a 55 mph 6-lane divided highway.  People are routinely going at least 60 in the 30 and at least 80 in the 55.  I'm usually one of the faster drivers on the road (bad habit), but I'm getting absolutely blown away by how fast so many people are driving.  Strange side-effect.

 
Sinn Fein said:
In the Era of MAGA, and "America First" and the promotion of Nationalism - why should the US and Europe come down hard on Asian countries looking after their own citizens before others?
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It's America's own fault that we've exported production of goods overseas, facilitated by the greed of both parties.

I think you're going to see a push to make America more "self-reliant" on many medical goods (including a lot of table pounding from Trump), but I can't see the levers of power allowing a major change to the status quo supply lines.  I'd be super happy if I was wrong, even to the point of being ok with paying a little more for that jar of Tylenol on the shelf.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Strange to have a nation that intellectually understands the concept of flattening the curve, but is devoid of the ability to practice and enforce community discipline. 

This is why Japan, South Korea, and Singapore were able to reverse the trend and we are going to prolong the pain.
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Perhaps Americans are weighing the reaction to the attempts to flatten the curve and the inherent economic costs. It's more difficult to be worried about coronavirus if you don't know where your next paycheck is coming from. Not everyone has cash reserves, a paid-off mortgage, and a bug-out cabin in the woods.

 
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Mr. Ham said:
We are one day into a “shelter in place” order. I’m telling you, it’s not that far from a regular Wednesday out there. People should be home, period. I do not believe that most of those people on the road were just out driving. Highways were busy. Too large a % are engaging in activities that being them face-to-face with people. Unless unavoidable, people should do their part. What I saw leads me to believe far too many don’t care or aren’t educated on what that is. Writ large, this behavior is going to prolong the pain and kill many more than necessary.
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I hear you. Agreed about the amount of traffic -- that should be very noticeably decreased, especially if schools are out in your area.

Any chance that today will be the first day for a lot of locals to grocery shop, get medicine, etc. In other words ... is this the first day it's sinking in for a lot of Austinites? I'm comparing to matuski's colleagues' reactions thus far in not-too-far-away (?) San Antonio. Has the populace in Central TX -- generally, as a collective -- not really considered the coronavirus a local problem yet?

 
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dickey moe said:
Perhaps Americans are weighing the reaction to the attempts to flatten the curve and the inherent economic costs. It's more difficult to be worried about coronavirus if you don't know where your next paycheck is coming from. Not everyone has cash reserves, a paid-off mortgage, and a bug-out cabin in the woods.
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Exactly.  If you're under sixty with no underlying health conditions the worst that's likely to happen (edit: to them) is they get a bad cold that doesn't require hospitalization...just gatorade, warm soup, Robitussin and some rest.  So there's a prevailing thought of "I'll take my chances" going around with the under-60 "I'm not going to be around geezers anyway" crowd.

 
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matuski said:
Doug B said:
(Assuming you are in or near San Antonio)

Given the city's population, it looks like you guys are actually doing all right at the moment. Maybe you area will escape the worst of it. Gotta keep up hope that the social distancing and general good sense helps keep that curve flattened in the SA are.
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Yep... cases are going up, but the medical community feels prepared.  We will see if/when it gets tested, but the general vibe is confident that they/we are going to get through.
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One thing that might help your area is that SA (so far as I know) is not an air travel hub like DFW, L.A., SF, Atlanta, NYC, etc. Though I thought SA was a pretty major convention town :shrug:

 
moleculo said:
my dad lives alone in Florida, surrounded by other elderly folks.  He is completely self sufficient, but pushing 80 years old.  My brother is about an hour away from him, but he's a single guy and not really a care-taker type.  If we bring him up here, my wife and I could certianly take care of him but are we putting him at high risk traveling?  what about our kids - we are doing a reasonably good job keeping them social-distanced but how long does that last?  Bringing my dad up here also takes him away from his doctors and his social network - I'm not sure if that's wise either.

There really aren't any good answers.
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Glad to hear your dad is self sufficient. My 81 yo dad needs help with everything. My bro an hour away is definitely not a caregiver but he sucks it up and goes every weekend for 3 days to do all his errands plus take care of him. Has been doing it for 2 years now. During the week we have caregivers there during his waking hours. 

If it were me, I wouldn't move him. His social network is important for his mental health. Traveling isn't advised anywhere unless essential. On top your dad is elderly. I would never forgive myself if my dad got it. It's harder for them to recover if they recover. I think there would be some kind damage left just by virtue of his body is 80 yo. Jmo of course.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Strange to have a nation that intellectually understands the concept of flattening the curve, but is devoid of the ability to practice and enforce community discipline. 

This is why Japan, South Korea, and Singapore were able to reverse the trend and we are going to prolong the pain.
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In fairness, other viruses like the swine flu, SARS, etc had pretty large impacts throughout SE Asia so they are more practiced and prepared in part because of that experience. 

One could certainly argue though that our failure to learn and prepare from the experience of others is still a pretty big failure. But it certainly explains why the mindsets of individuals are totally different here than there.

 
Statorama said:
Exactly.  If you're under sixty with no underlying health conditions the worst that's likely to happen (edit: to them) is they get a bad cold that doesn't require hospitalization...just gatorade, warm soup, Robitussin and some rest.  So there's a prevailing thought of "I'll take my chances" going around with the under-60 "I'm not going to be around geezers anyway" crowd.
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Right on cue, about 15 minutes ago, one of the largest employers in Western NY just announced that they're putting approx 2/3 of their 3,100+ full-time employees on "temporary leave" - 1 week pay and 8 weeks benefits - and the remaining full-time employees are all taking a pay cut for an indefinite period of time.  I think we're about to see a lot of things like this.

 
37 year old British Diplomat dies. Tweets mention he was feeling fine a week ago. No info I've seen that includes any possible health problems/co-morbidity.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/british-diplomat-steven-****-dies-contracting-coronavirus-a4397861.html

 
GroveDiesel said:
In fairness, other viruses like the swine flu, SARS, etc had pretty large impacts throughout SE Asia so they are more practiced and prepared in part because of that experience. 

One could certainly argue though that our failure to learn and prepare from the experience of others is still a pretty big failure. But it certainly explains why the mindsets of individuals are totally different here than there.
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I don't think we're going to learn from this one either, unfortunately.

 
dickey moe said:
The formatting is bad but I cut and pasted what I could below. The link to the referenced Oxford study can be accessed here.
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That would mean the testing is missing a lot of people.  Here in my neck of the woods evidently we're running a 3% positive rate.  If this things has infected half of the UK everywhere in the world would be much higher.  I'm confused on how both can be true, unless the test accuracy is borked.

 
kodycutter said:
Publix to install plexiglass barriers to protect cashiers

Florida grocer Publix announced it will be installing plexiglass barriers chain-wide to protect its workers from coronavirus.

The Lakeland company says installation will begin this weekend and take about two weeks to complete. The new barriers will go up at registers, customer service desks and pharmacies.

Publix’s decision to add the barriers comes two days after an employee from a Georgia store tested positive for COVID-19. 
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I wonder if they'll just keep these up after this is over. 

 
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I completely agree with @Mr. Ham.  I have seen this first hand in Ohio as well and just don't see how the new rules are going to be enough.  It is too much of "it is not me that is sick" or "I am not the one spreading stuff" and not enough of "if we all do our part we will be ok". I was just out for the 1st time in 5 days to get a few things. Way too many people in Sam's club that were clearly in the high risk group. It was relatively empty but still far more people out on the road etc that I expected.  Maybe we should just not worry about the rules and let Darwin take over ( although Darwin is already hard at work on this I am afraid). 

 
dickey moe said:
The formatting is bad but I cut and pasted what I could below. The link to the referenced Oxford study can be accessed here.
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A silver lining if true but I think that is wishful thinking. I have a hard time believing that a disease as deadly as this only severely affects .1% of the population. With that logic, the professor has to assume that the flu is actually *more lethal* than covid19. Did the article mention what they thought the R0 was in this case?

For a real world example:

Vo Italy, which had the first Italian death, quarantined and tested the entire town. Out of 3000 people only about 3% ended up testing positive over 2 rounds of testing. For a death, with the assumption that only 1/1000 are severely infected, one would have to assume that the 90 or so infected should really be 10+ times that number. Even if the town is some sort of outlier, being off by a factor of 10 seems like the model likely has some flaws.

 
rcam said:
A silver lining if true but I think that is wishful thinking. I have a hard time believing that a disease as deadly as this only severely affects .1% of the population. With that logic, the professor has to assume that the flu is actually *more lethal* than covid19. Did the article mention what they thought the R0 was in this case?

For a real world example:

Vo Italy, which had the first Italian death, quarantined and tested the entire town. Out of 3000 people only about 3% ended up testing positive over 2 rounds of testing. For a death, with the assumption that only 1/1000 are severely infected, one would have to assume that the 90 or so infected should really be 10+ times that number. Even if the town is some sort of outlier, being off by a factor of 10 seems like the model likely has some flaws.
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It was a terrible study done using very shaky assumptions.  I read an article on medium that destroyed it yesterday.  People have to stop believing these types of "math studies" that would dramatically change the way we understand the virus.  

 
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prosopis said:
ChiefD said:
Are you getting paid during this time?
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I feel real bad for that air conditioner company you helped me with. Due to crazy red tape, bank being robbed, miss spelled my name, missing paperwork for my manufactured home, branch I use being closed, bankers I worked with transferred I have still not gotten the loan to pay him. I told him before he installed it that I did not have cash in hand and I was dealing with red tape although the bank assured me I was approved. I left it up to him if he wanted to reschedule when I had the cash in hand. He decided it would be fine and proceeded. I have been keeping him updated but I feel like a piece of garbage not being able to pay him. Bank says things should be good by end of day but I have heard that at least 10 times. I am hoping the bank does not ask if I am currently working now.
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hey brohan i have been reading your posts and i just want to say keep your head up things will get better and you will get this all sorted when the world goes back to normal and you will feel a hell of a lot better when the wind is at your back so hang on and keep on keepin on take that to the bank 

 
Angry Beavers said:
I completely agree with @Mr. Ham.  I have seen this first hand in Ohio as well and just don't see how the new rules are going to be enough.  It is too much of "it is not me that is sick" or "I am not the one spreading stuff" and not enough of "if we all do our part we will be ok". I was just out for the 1st time in 5 days to get a few things. Way too many people in Sam's club that were clearly in the high risk group. It was relatively empty but still far more people out on the road etc that I expected.  Maybe we should just not worry about the rules and let Darwin take over ( although Darwin is already hard at work on this I am afraid). 
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I'm in Ohio and just got back from the store. Really sunny here and in the mid 50's. We are under a Stay at Home order.

Numerous people are out ridding motorcycles and driving convertibles with the top down and numerous passengers. Not that this spreads the virus. But I have a hard time believing their travel is essential.  

 
Future me is already angry. When this pandemic finally subsides, all the ####### idiots that kept on keeping on, are going to be obnoxious in their "see, I told you we would be fine. I was still partying the whole time." shtick. It is in spite of your idiocy, and because of people like me who avoided everyone, that we got this thing under control

 
Mr. Ham said:
For that to be true, R0 would have to be a least 6. Let’s imagine it is true (not at all convinced,) maybe amount of viral load factors (why doctors and officials have been susceptible,) and maybe there are more and less severe strains. Hoping for clarity on this soon.
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There's no need for clarity because it's total crap.  I realize we look for silver linings, but we also don't need to give any credence to studies that could put lives at risk.  If people believe that half the population is already infected (a laughable and ridiculous assumption) then they won't stay quarantined.  And it's far more important to be quarantined now than it was 2-3 weeks ago.

 
Politician Spock said:
I'm in Ohio and just got back from the store. Really sunny here and in the mid 50's. We are under a Stay at Home order.

Numerous people are out ridding motorcycles and driving convertibles with the top down and numerous passengers. Not that this spreads the virus. But I have a hard time believing their travel is essential.  
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That was my impression as well that a lot of the travel out there was likely not necessary including the jackhole who cut me off in a merge lane.

 
Mr. Ham said:
For that to be true, R0 would have to be a least 6. Let’s imagine it is true (not at all convinced,) maybe amount of viral load factors (why doctors and officials have been susceptible,) and maybe there are more and less severe strains. Hoping for clarity on this soon.
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I would err on the side that the study is bunk. If the R0 was 6, and it has been silently spreading for months, and such a large percentage of the world has it - you wouldn't see these deaths in clusters. You also wouldn't see the success of places like China and S. Korea. in preventing deaths/spread. It would be a wildfire everywhere and everyone would be burning at more or less the same rate.

 
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