*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (10 Viewers)

[Ron Swanson]

My take on this so not anything more than my experience with it but, bleach kills this stuff (or any of a myriad of FDA approved solutions). It has to create a sheen and has to stay wet for about 10 minutes to be effective so you see these guys walking around fogging everything. That works great for outside or even large areas indoor but what it doesn't do well is interact with people. Think of swimming in a chlorinated pool all day and when you finish up, your eyes are puffy from all the chlorine and you probably have the taste of it in your mouth. Same thing with this stuff. Now imagine doing that everyday for 2-3 months.

It's kinda like that. We tested a misting fan with a bleach solution to 'fog' a warehouse and after about 5 minutes it was all I could take. Can't imagine coming into work after something like that ran all night, would not be an optimal work environment. We are purchasing backpack 'foggers' that do about the same thing (atomizing the solution for better/easier distribution) for indoor decontamination. Won't get them in until late April so don't know how they will work but its the same unit Clean Harbors uses to clean an office when they are called in.

Would you mind posting more info about the foggers?

Also, bleach is highly corrosive...less so when diluted but still corrosive, so not a good choice for fogging in any area that has metal.  It will wreak havoc on wiring, etc.  I think the alcohol or quat sanitizers are much more appropriate for fogging applications.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I always thought these efforts done outdoors were more for show or more for out of desperation more than anything that truly put a dent in the virus spread.

Now ... doing this stuff inside of subway/train stations, or in large indoor areas where people congregate ... that seems a lot more useful. One my second-last-day in the office, building management had small crews going through the hallways and spraying down the carpet, walls, bathroom doors, etc.

I created an everclear mister and have been spraying my house down. I have also been spraying my face down daily. 

Side note soaking eggs in everclear will "cook" them. They dont taste very good, but after a few bites they get a lot better. 

 

[msommer]

Would you mind posting more info about the foggers?

Also, bleach is highly corrosive...less so when diluted but still corrosive, so not a good choice for fogging in any area that has metal.  It will wreak havoc on wiring, etc.  I think the alcohol or quat sanitizers are much more appropriate for fogging applications.

Alcohol in concentrations that might kill the virus would be flammable if aerosolized I'd think

 

[beer 30]

Would you mind posting more info about the foggers?

Also, bleach is highly corrosive...less so when diluted but still corrosive, so not a good choice for fogging in any area that has metal.  It will wreak havoc on wiring, etc.  I think the alcohol or quat sanitizers are much more appropriate for fogging applications.

This is what we bought https://petratools.com/collections/frontpage/products/pre-order-petra-electric-fogger

Agree that bleach is an issue, there are many, many solutions you can use to disinfect that are better suited for indoor/office areas. Bleach is cheap & until recently, fairly easy to obtain. You dilute the solution pretty heavily but it's still bleach. Sorry I said FDA, it's the EPA list of solutions.

 

[prosopis]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

 

[bcat01]

In what capacity?

The medical center I referred to above is in the center of a hotspot (see my avatar). And even they have internal rumors of furloughing non-caregiving employees.

She is a medical coder.  It is hurting the HIM and billing departments and the physical therapist and rehab workers.

 

[beer 30]

I created an everclear mister and have been spraying my house down. I have also been spraying my face down daily. 

Side note soaking eggs in everclear will "cook" them. They dont taste very good, but after a few bites they get a lot better. 

This is the kind of outside of the box thinking that will help us win this war. GB you man 

 

[Biff84]

Huh.

My dad was just telling me how his whole neighborhood is empty.  All his friends went back.

Your point makes a lot of sense.

Could just be this part of the Valley. For whatever reason we have more from the west coast than the Midwest especially areas that have been hit hard by CV. 

 

[Biff84]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

Unless you’re up early and standing in line, little chance today. From what I heard, since they’ve announced the stay at home order it’s overloaded retail again with the hoarders even though it changed little.

 

[top dog]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

I ventured out to Sams Club in my area today.  They had toilet paper and paper towels.  No sanitizer or wipes yet though.  Northeast Ohio.  When they ordered the stay at home here EVERYTHING was snatched up.  Starting to get restocked places here now.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any idea how effective those trucks/workers did overseas with their massive spraying?  Granted, few people on most of our streets now but curious if that helped at all and if so, why we aren't doing it.

Alcohol in concentrations that might kill the virus would be flammable if aerosolized I'd think

We already poison our food with roundup and the exterior air is toxic in summer, might as well load up the interior air with cancer  causing agents.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Wuhan see huge death tolls about two to three decades from now.

 

[Phil Elliott]

My take on this so not anything more than my experience with it but, bleach kills this stuff (or any of a myriad of FDA approved solutions). It has to create a sheen and has to stay wet for about 10 minutes to be effective so you see these guys walking around fogging everything. That works great for outside or even large areas indoor but what it doesn't do well is interact with people. Think of swimming in a chlorinated pool all day and when you finish up, your eyes are puffy from all the chlorine and you probably have the taste of it in your mouth. Same thing with this stuff. Now imagine doing that everyday for 2-3 months.

It's kinda like that. We tested a misting fan with a bleach solution to 'fog' a warehouse and after about 5 minutes it was all I could take. Can't imagine coming into work after something like that ran all night, would not be an optimal work environment. We are purchasing backpack 'foggers' that do about the same thing (atomizing the solution for better/easier distribution) for indoor decontamination. Won't get them in until late April so don't know how they will work but its the same unit Clean Harbors uses to clean an office when they are called in.

Actually, sore eyes from swimming is from “not enough chlorine”.

 

[Nigel]

This seems a bit self-centered.  But at least you're following the law, so that's better than many.

Not really, he's following all the rules despite a lack of personal concern. Pretty much the opposite.

 

[Doug B]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

Dollar stores for the win ... if they are as prevalent there as here (basically 10-12 within a few minutes drive). And most of them even sell good national brands for a decent price - not Costco-low per unit, but much cheaper than grocery stores.

EDIT: To be clear, I don't mean "dollar stores" as in "everything inside is $1", like Dollar Tree. I mean like Dollar General, Fred's, Family Dollar, etc.

 

[Phil Elliott]

So how many people do you really think died in China?

Including doctors trying to warn the seriousness of Coronavirus or just those infected?

 

[Doug B]

Would you mind posting more info about the foggers?

Best COVID-related job in China:

Cruising around on a Segway while controlling a virus-killing Battlebot   (from this article).

 

[BassNBrew]

What are they using? I was under impression it was diluted bleach.

Personally I'm not a fan of breathing bleach.  Can't imagine it's kind on your lungs.

 

[Doug B]

What are they using? I was under impression it was diluted bleach.

In a lot of places, it is highly-diluted bleach. Probably not a ton different from spraying "clean pool water" fog all over everything.

Laundry bleach off the shelf - without additives (no 'splash-free', no scents) - varies between 30,000 - 82,500 parts sodium hypochlorite per million (ppm), the balance being H20. Chlorination liquid meant for swimming pool maintenance is basically stronger bleach at 10,000 - 12,500 ppm.

In comparison, properly chlorinating swimming pool can vary between 2 - 15 ppm depending on local conditions.

 

[CR69]

I'd like some input here. Our daughter is starting distance learning this week. The plan is to pickup and drop off "supplies" once per week even though they're mostly doing everything online. The supplies include packets, library books, etc. Her teacher has COVID-19 symptoms (hasn't been tested yet though ) so she said she asked the aid to put the totes together. Both my wife and I think there's no way in hell we're doing this. Are we crazy?

 

[Phil Elliott]

Maybe we are late to the party, but there are some creative Coronavirus parody videos on Youtube, like “Hello”, “My Corona”, “Do Re Mi” and “Staying Inside” as examples.

 

[JaxBill]

So Jacksonville Mayor just issued a Safer At Home order starting Friday morning.

Again, not sure what this changes.

@wjxt4: #BREAKING: Mayor Lenny Curry will issue a safer-at-home order for Jacksonville beginning shortly after midnight on Friday. https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/04/01/watch-live-mayor-curry-details-jacksonvilles-next-steps-against-coronavirus/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wjxt4

 

[Doug B]

What are they using? I was under impression it was diluted bleach.

Personally I'm not a fan of breathing bleach.  Can't imagine it's kind on your lungs.

Take care near swimming pools, then.

It is true that a stong, pungent "chlorine" smelling pool needs greater chlorination, not less. You're smelling chloramines, not properly-balanced chlorine content.

 

[msommer]

Actually, sore eyes from swimming is from “not enough chlorine”.

Eeeeeewwwwwww

 

[Apple Jack]

I'd like some input here. Our daughter is starting distance learning this week. The plan is to pickup and drop off "supplies" once per week even though they're mostly doing everything online. The supplies include packets, library books, etc. Her teacher has COVID-19 symptoms (hasn't been tested yet though ) so she said she asked the aid to put the totes together. Both my wife and I think there's no way in hell we're doing this. Are we crazy?

Why can't they work with digital materials? Is this a low enrollment school district?

 

[shader]

Maybe we are late to the party, but there are some creative Coronavirus parody videos on Youtube, like “Hello”, “My Corona”, “Do Re Mi” and “Staying Inside” as examples.

Someone sent me "Hello" yesterday.  The family loved it

 

[D-Day]

Finally doing the grocery shopping on-line for delivery.  Can't order toilet paper.  Are you kidding me?  Ordering on-line should be the only way to get it now.  This is literally the only reason I would need to leave the house, and if it is not in stock, I have to venture out multiple times.   The stores can easily manage against people hording by making delivery/pick up the only way to get some items.  There would be some exceptions for people who can't order on-line.  

 

[Apple Jack]

So Jacksonville Mayor just issued a Safer At Home order starting Friday morning.

Again, not sure what this changes.

@wjxt4: #BREAKING: Mayor Lenny Curry will issue a safer-at-home order for Jacksonville beginning shortly after midnight on Friday. https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/04/01/watch-live-mayor-curry-details-jacksonvilles-next-steps-against-coronavirus/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wjxt4

It's a way to try to get the morons to take it more seriously without pissing off the meatheads who don't want to be told what to do.

 

[msommer]

The UK seems to be on a trajectory to blow past Spain and maybe even Italy as a disaster zone. Ay caramba

 

[D-Day]

You're smelling chloramines, 

I'm calling BS here.  You're just quoting things from Star Wars Episode 1.  Mesa thinks you don't knowwa yous speaking about. (edit for just kidding).

 

[CR69]

Why can't they work with digital materials? Is this a low enrollment school district?

She's in a magnet program in a project based learning school. Her teacher has been a justaflubro from the start...

 

[the moops]

I'd like some input here. Our daughter is starting distance learning this week. The plan is to pickup and drop off "supplies" once per week even though they're mostly doing everything online. The supplies include packets, library books, etc. Her teacher has COVID-19 symptoms (hasn't been tested yet though ) so she said she asked the aid to put the totes together. Both my wife and I think there's no way in hell we're doing this. Are we crazy?

Yea that's dumb. No way I would be dropping and picking up every week. If they are mostly doing everything online, there would seem to be little reason for them to not just switch to everything online. I would reach out and strongly encourage them to do so.

 

[CR69]

I would think a lot of those workers are not needed for treatment of coronavirus patients or emergency room.  There has to be impact when everyone cancelled elective surgery, preventive care, and medical visits to other specialists.

My sister in law works for a hospital in the area doing annual wellness exams on site for large companies. She's been furloughed as has many of their administrative staff. She's also currently on quarantine after a co-worker tested positive.

 

[Apple Jack]

She's in a magnet program in a project based learning school. Her teacher has been a justaflubro from the start...

I'd go over people's heads until somebody puts a stop to it.

 

[Sputnikv8]

We already poison our food with roundup and the exterior air is toxic in summer, might as well load up the interior air with cancer  causing agents.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Wuhan see huge death tolls about two to three decades from now.

Thanks posty!   Yeeesh.  

 

[falguy]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

I ventured out to Sams Club in my area today.  They had toilet paper and paper towels.  No sanitizer or wipes yet though.  Northeast Ohio.  When they ordered the stay at home here EVERYTHING was snatched up.  Starting to get restocked places here now.

Up here we see to be over the TP shortage.  No sanitizer or wipes anywhere but everywhere I go now has TP.  I think all the hoarders have their stash so supply has exceeded demand. At least in my neck of the woods.

 

[JaxBill]

It's a way to try to get the morons to take it more seriously without pissing off the meatheads who don't want to be told what to do.

Yeah, basically. 

The list of essentials is quite long and includes gun dealers and pool cleaning services 

@jaxdotcom: #breaking Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry says he is issuing a Safer At Home Executive Order mandating that the city’s residents remain at home except for critical and essential needs. Here's what you need to know.
https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20200401/coronavirus-jacksonville-mayor-announces-safer-at-home-executive-order-to-slow-viruss-spread?nocache=1&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ghf-jax-main

 

[beer 30]

Personally I'm not a fan of breathing bleach.  Can't imagine it's kind on your lungs.

Atomizing anything makes it a little more worse since, as I understand it, you're taking the particle and making it smaller, thus much easier to ingest. You are correct, any of this stuff is not good to be inhaling...in the midst of a pandemic involving a virus that attacks the lungs 

 

[Anarchy99]

Any idea how effective those trucks/workers did overseas with their massive spraying?  Granted, few people on most of our streets now but curious if that helped at all and if so, why we aren't doing it.

I may be i the minority, but IMO that may have been propaganda and a photo op to illustrate how serious the situation was and how much the government was doing to stem the tide of the virus. Who knows if they did that whole scale and who knows if there was anything but water in those trucks. Either way, the perception was that they were disinfecting at an industrial and institutional level, which was the message they wanted to promote. 

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

The UK seems to be on a trajectory to blow past Spain and maybe even Italy as a disaster zone. Ay caramba

They waited way too long despite the facts. Days/weeks matter in this fight. WA/CA vs. NY is another example. For as good as Cuomo is now, he and the mayor of NYC were a bit slow to react. The curves in those 3 places tell the story. 

That's the tale for the other places in the U.S. right now. Do everything you can fast and hard. Not sure what FL is thinking. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Funny how the climate changes over time. Here in Southern NH, now that people know people that are positive, hospitalized, or have died, now most people out have masks on out in public. Where did they come from? For weeks healthcare facilities have been begging for donated masks and few people stepped up. But miraculously people have them to wear out?

 

[DaVinci]

I may be i the minority, but IMO that may have been propaganda and a photo op to illustrate how serious the situation was and how much the government was doing to stem the tide of the virus. Who knows if they did that whole scale and who knows if there was anything but water in those trucks. Either way, the perception was that they were disinfecting at an industrial and institutional level, which was the message they wanted to promote. 

Agreed. I don’t think anyone was in danger of contracting the virus from the pavement.

 

[gump]

Re wearing gloves in stores...

A co-worker is now on Day 11 of trying to heal chemical burns from a spray that Whole Foods was using on carts.  Gloves possibly could have helped.

 

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[beer 30]

Agreed. I don’t think anyone was in danger of contracting the virus from the pavement.

No but your shoes could conceivably pick it up, then you touch your shoes, then your face, then...

Frankly, some of the videos of seen of Wuhan and their open air markets, they should just have misters spraying straight 5% bleach 24/7/365. 

 

[CurlyNight]

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[CurlyNight]

No but your shoes could conceivably pick it up, then you touch your shoes, then your face, then...

Frankly, some of the videos of seen of Wuhan and their open air markets, they should just have misters spraying straight 5% bleach 24/7/365. 

I watched a bunch of videos on the wet markets in China on YouTube last night. One gal who lives there says with the older generation there is no hygiene. They think water kills everything. 

 

[Don't Noonan]

ughhh

Told my wife I wanted to brave Costco today for some supplies. She gave me a list and it has toilet paper on it.

TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!

Hoefully they have some there.

go when it opens.  Best chance it will be in stock.

 

[CurlyNight]

Pence on CNN. Just said we all need to practice what we're doing and thinks memorial day weekend/June we'll see a good decline. I take it as stay at home will go to min June. 

 

[NotSmart]

I watched a bunch of videos on the wet markets in China on YouTube last night. One gal who lives there says with the older generation there is no hygiene. They think water kills everything. 

Oof.

I wonder how long their wet markets have been like that.

If the answer is a long time, it's a little surprising they haven't generated more novel CVs than they have already.

 

[Steve Tasker]

SC is kinda pissing me off. Came out with the “all non-essential businesses shut down” yesterday. They are piecemealing a statewide shutdown and for what? Shut the place down already. They basically told hair dressers and the rub & tug gang to shut it down yesterday   

This is what I was trying to say in here about 300 pages ago when NY enacted their non-essential shutdowns like 2 weeks ago.  The list of "essential" businesses is a mile long.  I'm an accountant, and I'm considered essential in NY.  How is an accounting firm essential during a major pandemic?  (That's a rhetorical question, the government needs money, accountants facilitate them getting paid taxes)