*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (19 Viewers)

[Penguin]

yeah, not what I was referring to. 

Sweden's contrarian approach failed.   The only way to look at it as a success is if you twist data, like was attempted a page or two ago.

I agree with you 100%

 

[adonis]

Sorry guys, I should probably step away.  

Honestly, I like folks who disagree and who challenge conventional thinking generally.  But with so much on the line, and in my life personally, several folks in high risk categories, it's tough to engage sometimes.

Y'all take care, be nice to each other, and stay safe!  You too Mr. Annonymous and Stat.

 

[Penguin]

So because it took me more than 2 minutes to respond, people should have free reign to start answering for me with inaccurate replies? C'mon man, lol

My answer wasn;t inaccurate, Sweeden didn't and they are paying for it now

 

[waiver wire]

North Texas town of 100,000 with a market area of 150,000 gloves are readily available. I haven't seen hand sanitizer in weeks until today. One pharmacy had 2oz bottles for $3.99 that they compounded themselves. Another store had 12oz bottles for $14.99 that was from Canada and was not obtainable through their regular wholesalers. They had paid $8 a bottle. Masks I still haven't seen since the run on supplies.

hey dez

what was the store in Canada ? I cant find any sanitizer and gloves and masks up here 

 

[Terminalxylem]

You cant really see the exhaust normally. They add something like this product to make it smoke. The injectors are supposed to work upside down, etc, but that isn't always the case. 

OK, why did one jet not get smoke additive?

 

[-fish-]

Sure as long as I'm not attacked for repeating myself. South Korea and Taiwan have been lauded for targeted responses and testing. And Czech Republic and Austria have been lauded for short term shutdowns combined with embracing the use of masks in public.

The Czech Republic closed schools, which remain closed, and closed its borders, which remain closed.   They have allowed some small stores with few employees to open, and people can now engage in recreations that involve social distance, like swimming and tennis.   What short term shutdowns are you talking about?  The country is still basically locked down.

 

[the moops]

I would suggest this article and accompanying video be read and watched by everyone. I can’t imagine anyone suggesting loosening restrictions after reading and watching this. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-hospitals-bronx.html

Wow that was sad

indeed

 

[bentley]

Sure as long as I'm not attacked for repeating myself. South Korea and Taiwan have been lauded for targeted responses and testing. And Czech Republic and Austria have been lauded for short term shutdowns combined with embracing the use of masks in public.

Czech Republic was one of the first in Europe to declare a state of emergency and complete lockdown for 30 days. That has been extended by at least a week. Seems longer than 2-3 weeks.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

My answer wasn;t inaccurate, Sweeden didn't and they are paying for it now

Sweden wasn't the answer to the question I was asked. I was asked which countries have knocked it out of the park without social distancing. The answer was none. Social distancing by itself wasn't one of the alternative approaches I was referring to.

 

[JAA]

Why no exhaust from one of the jets?

I’m guessing because it was taking pictures

 

[Mr Anonymous]

The Czech Republic closed schools, which remain closed, and closed its borders, which remain closed.   They have allowed some small stores with few employees to open, and people can now engage in recreations that involve social distance, like swimming and tennis.   What short term shutdowns are you talking about?  The country is still basically locked down.

It is anything but locked down. People are back to work in most cases and even the most trivial of businesses are opening on Tuesday.

 

[Dezbelief]

hey dez

what was the store in Canada ? I cant find any sanitizer and gloves and masks up here 

I was on my phone and didn't read his online part of the post. It was in a store in Texas and  the sanitizer somehow made it's way down here.

 

[Penguin]

Sweden wasn't the answer to the question I was asked. I was asked which countries have knocked it out of the park without social distancing. The answer was none. Social distancing by itself wasn't one of the alternative approaches I was referring to.

My apologies then, I am not here to stir the pot

 

[NotSmart]

I wonder if the shot caller at CDC that was offered tests but said "nah, we got this brah" will ever be known.  It really set us back.

Or how that CDC shot caller came to have that position.

 

[Slapdash]

To play devil's advocate for the Stanford crowd, the only plausible explanation I can imagine is multiple strains of the virus, with the nastier one currently making rounds worldwide. 

Wouldn't that make vaccines more difficult?

 

[Dezbelief]

I've posted this link before. If you'd like to support a small family of 10 farm business check them out. You can pick whatever scent you want from their soap list. Great quality. Being it's a spray it lasts londer than pouring a gel. The alcohol is cdc recommendation. It's moisturising unlike commercial hand sanitisers. Their soaps last a long time too and are the best quality I found when researching what to use during chemo.

https://goatmilkstuff.com/collections/hand-sanitizers

The paper store online has it. It did this morning. It comes and goes. I ordered some a week or so ago and it came quick.

@waiver wire

 

[-fish-]

Czech Republic was one of the first in Europe to declare a state of emergency and complete lockdown for 30 days. That has been extended by at least a week. Seems longer than 2-3 weeks.

I was supposed to be there for a wedding in late March.   My friend who was getting married was supposed to come back to the US last week.   I couldn't go there, and he hasn't come back yet.  They were on a full public lockdown that is slowly being eased.   It is not close to lifting restrictions.   This is another example of facts being invented to fit a theory.   

 

[Terminalxylem]

I’m guessing because it was taking pictures

Or maybe he isn't infected...yet.

 

[parasaurolophus]

You cant really see the exhaust normally. They add something like this product to make it smoke. The injectors are supposed to work upside down, etc, but that isn't always the case. 

OK, why did one jet not get smoke additive?

Injector likely clogged

 

[-fish-]

It is anything but locked down. People are back to work in most cases and even the most trivial of businesses are opening on Tuesday.

Don't know where you're getting information, but I talked to my friend who is there the day before yesterday.  

 

[-fish-]

It is anything but locked down. People are back to work in most cases and even the most trivial of businesses are opening on Tuesday.

New York Times says you're wrong as of yesterday.

 

[the moops]

My brother owes back child support payments, and the IRS has taken all of his return each of the last 3 years.  Can they take his stimulus money too?

I hope so?

 

[moleculo]

Sure as long as I'm not attacked for repeating myself. South Korea and Taiwan have been lauded for targeted responses and testing. And Czech Republic and Austria have been lauded for short term shutdowns combined with embracing the use of masks in public.

I don't know much about what these countries have done.  I know South Korea did a hell of a lot of testing early on, and then contact tracing.  If we could test anywhere near the levels they do, and if we could effectively quarantine any positives (really, we need 15 minute tests like they have had for months), I would be more likely to be convinced that we could ease up.

I'm all for making data driven decisions.  I don't believe we are in a position to do so at this point.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Czech Republic was one of the first in Europe to declare a state of emergency and complete lockdown for 30 days. That has been extended by at least a week. Seems longer than 2-3 weeks.

Early lockdown its really key. Unfortunately, the US decided against this approach, so we're not gonna get results like Czech Republic, etc.

We have to drive down Ro until cases decline to a manageable number, ramp up rapid testing of acute and resolved infection, develop an efficient system for contact tracing and then, only then, focus on reopening society.

 

[NotSmart]

Sweeden

Oh wait

...

A head doctor at a major hospital in Sweden says the current approach will “probably end in a historical massacre.” He says healthcare workers at his hospital who have tested positive for the virus but are asymptomatic have been advised to continue working. He asked to remain anonymous because “it is frowned upon to speak of the epidemic or to go against the official vision” but said he felt a need to speak out from an “ethical and medical point of view.”

...

 

[-fish-]

I don't know much about what these countries have done.  I know South Korea did a hell of a lot of testing early on, and then contact tracing.  If we could test anywhere near the levels they do, and if we could effectively quarantine any positives (really, we need 15 minute tests like they have had for months), I would be more likely to be convinced that we could ease up.

I'm all for making data driven decisions.  I don't believe we are in a position to do so at this point.

Czech Republic locked down the whole country.   It still has a travel ban that is considering easing.  It still has mandatory quarantine for people who have traveled.   Businesses where social distancing is not possible are still shut down.    If anything, it is a model in imposing stringent restrictions for over a month...not some alternative of denial. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Wouldn't that make vaccines more difficult?

To some extent, yes. Unless the vaccine epitopes are conserved in all strains.

 

[Dezbelief]

My brother owes back child support payments, and the IRS has taken all of his return each of the last 3 years.  Can they take his stimulus money too?

I hope so?

yes they will

 

[Statorama]

Y'all take care, be nice to each other, and stay safe!  You too Mr. Annonymous and Stat.

You too good buddy, love you like a brother 

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Don't know where you're getting information, but I talked to my friend who is there the day before yesterday.  

From the mouths of their government officials...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-czech/czechs-to-start-easing-restrictions-as-coronavirus-infections-slow-idUSKBN21O1IZ

This was from Monday and the Thursday referred to below is this past Thursday...

Industry Minister Karel Havlicek said that as of Thursday, the government would allow reopening of shops selling hobby goods and building materials, and also relax rules on open-air sports activities where people do not congregate, such as running and cycling. More shops may be opened after the Easter weekend.

Also...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/health/european-countries-reopening-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Since Tuesday, people have been allowed to exercise alone without face masks. Shops such as construction and hardware stores, bicycle stores and bicycle repair centers are among those allowed to reopen from Thursday.

And via another article I linked earlier, after Easter means Tuesday for many of the remaining businesses.

 

[JAA]

Its all suicides and overdoses, right?

Oh, so it's the media that made the jump from bat to human sometime last year. It's the media that spread in every direction to the point that nations across the globe are in lockdown in efforts to not have Spanish Flu 2: Electric Flugaloo playing to packed hospitals. Do you realize just how that point sounds? This is not a media invention.

I'm not taking away anyone who died from this.  But this is the second biggest hoax of the last two thousand years.  And by hoax I mean anything under .75 death rate even though posters are saying this is anywhere from 1-14%.  When all is done the death rate will be .3-.5.  Who do you think created this hoax

If the death rate ends up being .3, that still ends up being over 1 million deaths. Are you saying 1 million people dying is a hoax?

Currently, the largest killer in the US per year is heart disease at 660k. Is that also a hoax?

 

[Mr Anonymous]

New York Times says you're wrong as of yesterday.

And yet you provide no link.

I guess Czech Minister Karel Havlicek is lying and CNN and Reuters are wrong too.

 

[bentley]

They have plans to reopen some small businesses where people don’t congregate in numbers, but nothing of significance. That means the opposite of “even the most trivial.” Also, the lockdown was early and lasted longer than 2-3 weeks.

 

[bentley]

If we’d jumped on a hard lockdown early, our conversation would also be very different. But, we didn’t until it was too late. So Czech Republic is a false equivalency.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

They have plans to reopen some small businesses where people don’t congregate in numbers, but nothing of significance. That means the opposite of “even the most trivial.” Also, the lockdown was early and lasted longer than 2-3 weeks.

Hobby shops, bicycle repair shops? Not exactly the most essential businesses no? I'll try and find the other link I had probably dozens of pages ago. The remaining stores set to open on Tuesday are even more trivial.

 

[TheWinz]

My wife made beef stew for dinner.  It was awesome!

 

[Mr Anonymous]

If we’d jumped on a hard lockdown early, our conversation would also be very different. But, we didn’t until it was too late. So Czech Republic is a false equivalency.

They shutdown on March 12th. We started shutting down on a broad scale on March 17th with some states even earlier. Are we a week away from opening hobby stores and bicycle repair shops?

The big difference is that they made masks mandatory in public. It flattened their curve in two weeks.

 

[JAA]

That's like asking why do we accept 40,000 U.S. flu deaths each year. Or 60 million deaths total from all causes worldwide. The reason people will want to know is because of the toll our potentially misplaced measures will take on potentially many multiple more lives.

You're fighting the good fight, but you're never going to convince Team Apocalypse that completely shutting down the country (and continuing to keep it shut down) was a massive overreaction.  Anyone that doesn't follow the mantra is labeled a heartless, cruel ******* that would rather save the economy than a single human life.

Hang in there buddy, Team Optimism has your back.

When you say “massive overreaction”, can either qualify or quantify that statement?  Or is your statement our opinion and/or speculAtion?

 

[-fish-]

They shutdown on March 12th. We started shutting down on a broad scale on March 17th with some states even earlier. Are we a week away from opening hobby stores and bicycle repair shops?

You mean businesses with few employees?   Sure, we could reopen those.   No reason a solely owned bicycle repair shop can't open.  But you're claiming the whole country is reopening.   That's just false.  

 

[JAA]

You're fighting the good fight, but you're never going to convince Team Apocalypse that completely shutting down the country (and continuing to keep it shut down) was a massive overreaction.  Anyone that doesn't follow the mantra is labeled a heartless, cruel ******* that would rather save the economy than a single human life.

Hang in there buddy, Team Optimism has your back.

What really sucks is we've already reached the point of massive food lines, an uptick in suicides, drug overdoses, and domestic abuse. At this pace, it won't take long for the reaction to do far more damage than the virus.

Even more perplexing is the fact that other countries were much smarter and directed with how they dealt with managing the spread. It's not like the whole world handled this the same way and we're just stuck watching bodies pile up because there's nothing we can do. The blanket idea of keeping all people at home no matter how low their individual risk is actually the simple-minded response and its result is going to be far more damaging than anything this virus ever comes close to.

I’ve heard the bolded mentioned a number of times, yet I’ve not yet seen any data on it. Do you have any data or is this just speculation?

 

[Mr Anonymous]

You mean businesses with few employees?   Sure, we could reopen those.   No reason a solely owned bicycle repair shop can't open.  But you're claiming the whole country is reopening.   That's just false.  

Lol, show me where they're not. Businesses like toy stores are opening on Tuesday. Public swimming pools are already open. If stuff like that is going to be open, the equivalent here would put just about everyone back to work. And with the right measures, nothing would have to be closed.

 

[JAA]

Authorities in other countries that have taken a different path and expert doctors who think the reaction to this virus in many places, specifically the U.S. for one, is overblown.

They're every bit as credentialed and in many cases far more experienced than those authorities and experts saying the only way is to keep people at home.

Thank you for the clarification. Can you post those specifics?  I would like to read on these folks. 

 

[Penguin]

I'm not on either side of this but just here to share information. Bicycle repair shops were deemed essential in New Jersey and I believe New York. The thinking was people could be out getting fresh air, exercising and still social distancing on bikes 

 

[adonis]

Lol, show me where they're not. Businesses like toy stores are opening on Tuesday. Public swimming pools are already open. If stuff like that is going to be open the equivalent here would put just about everyone back to work. And with the right measures, nothing would have to be closed.

More info:

April 7, 2020

Czech Republic has 4,828 confirmed cases of COVID-19, 80 fatalities and 127 recovered persons. Czech Republic has performed over 91,247 tests.

Czech authorities declared a state of emergency on March 12 continuing for the following 30 days and have now extended the measure through April 11. Borders remain currently closed subject to limited exemptions.

If you are a U.S. citizen in the Czech Republic, please enroll in our Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) https://step.state.gov/step/ to receive alerts and ensure you can be located in an emergency.

U.S. Citizens in an emergency can call 1-888-407-4747 from the U.S. and Canada or plus-1-202-501-4444 from overseas.

Quarantine Information:

On March 30, the Czech government extended the quarantine regulations that include a limitation on free movement and mandatory closure of most shops and restaurants until April 11.  From March 31, a mandatory 14-day quarantine is now compulsory for everyone (Czech citizens/EU nationals/other foreigners) returning from abroad.  This does not pertain to transit through the country and several specific exceptions). Also announced March 31, was an exemption from wearing a face mask for all children under two years old and drivers alone in a car.

As of March 26, people may be outside of their residences only by themselves or in groups of two. Exemptions are families and individuals performing work.

On March 12, the Czech government declared a state of emergency and implemented quarantine measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19.  This concept is distinct from any self-isolation or quarantine applicable to those who traveled to high-risk countries or have symptoms. The general quarantine applies to every individual located in the Czech Republic.  People are required to stay home, except for going to work and carrying out essential duties. Under the quarantine, free movement will be prohibited EXCEPT FOR:

commuting to and from work or conducting business

necessary trips to visit family

trips to medical facilities and escorting relatives to medical facilities

provision of necessities such as food, medicine, sanitary goods, animal feed

carrying out banking, postal services, and refueling of vehicles

Those working in security, healthcare, social care, public transport, and delivery services are exempt from the free movement ban for those purposes.  People at high risk should work from home.  Those at 70 years of age and older are encourages to stay at home.

As of March 26, people may be outside of their residences only by themselves or in groups of two. Exemptions are families and individuals performing work.

All individuals in the Czech Republic outside of their home MUST cover mouth and nose with either a protective medical mask, self-made mask, or a scarf.  The Czech government has banned going anywhere in public without such cover and has imposed several fines for violating the ban in several cases.  People should also maintain a safe distance of at least two meters.

On April 6, the Czech Government decided to begin lifting some of the quarantine restrictions: sports facilities will re-open on April 7, 2020; DIY stores, hardware stores and bike shops on April 9, 2020. In addition, effective April 7, 2020, people will not be required to wear masks during outdoor sports in nature, such as biking and jogging.

Only individuals older than 65 years and disabled individuals older than 50 years can shop between 8am and 10am in large supermarkets and stores. Shopping at other times in large stores and shopping at any time in smaller stores is not subject to restrictions. Several online sources provide delivery of groceries, including www.rohlik.cz and www.kosik.cz. Several online sources provide delivery from restaurants to homes, including www.damejidlo.cz, www.ubereats.com, www.wolt.cz.

Public Transportation:

Public transportation continues to operate with limits on the number of people per vehicle.  Larger cities such as Prague, Brno and Ostrava have announced that they will be disinfecting trams and buses on a daily basis and in Prague all metro and tram doors will automatically open at all stops.  A protective mask is MANDATORY and the front doors will remain closed to create a safe distance for drivers. It is no longer possible to purchase bus tickets directly from drivers, tickets must be purchased beforehand.  For the current schedule, visit:  https://www.dpp.cz/

Ban on all public and private events:

Receptions and parties must be canceled.

Hotels/Accommodations Services:

Hotels/Accommodation services will be provided to foreigners who have permission to work in the Czech Republic and to foreigners waiting to leave the country.

Eateries:

Restaurants and bars have been closed since March 12 and will remain closed until April 11. Purchase of food and drinks is still available at many stores that sell food over the counter (e.g., contain no seating areas) and some restaurants are offering food and drinks for take away.

Travel Restrictions in the Czech Republic:

Travel restrictions will remain in place until further notice.  As of March 16, all foreigners without permanent or long-term residence (permit to reside for more than 90 days) are prohibited from entering the Czech Republic.  Also, citizens of the Czech Republic and foreigners with a permanent or temporary stay of over 90 days are prohibited from leaving the Czech Republic.  As of March 31, individuals who are allowed to enter the Czech Republic must remain in self-isolation for 14 days.  Czech citizens who are not covered by the exceptions clarified by the Ministry of Interior are prohibited from traveling.  For information about the Czech state of emergency, please visit the Czech MFA Emergency Status FAQ and Czech MFA Recommendations Regarding Travel.

Czech Republic Entry and Exit:

As of March 16, all foreigners without permanent or long-term residence (permit to reside for more than 90 days) are prohibited from entering the Czech Republic. Also, citizens of the Czech Republic and foreigners with a permanent or temporary stay of over 90 days are prohibited from leaving the Czech Republic. Borders will remain closed until further notice. More info: Czech Ministry of Interior COVID-19 Travel Information

Starting on March 26, Czech Ministry of Interior has new rules regarding border crossings by cross-border workers. For more information, see www.mvcr.cz

For transportation information to get Czech citizens into the Czech Republic, go to www.mzv.cz

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs recommends you check with airlines directly regarding the cancellation of connecting flights.

Travel Restrictions in the United States:

On March 11, the President of the United States decided that effective from Friday, March 13, foreigners who have been in the Schengen area at some point in the past 14 days would not be allowed to enter the United States. This measure applies to Czech citizens and foreigners who are in the Czech Republic or in another country that is part of the Schengen area. On March 14, the measure was extended to those in the UK and Ireland. Given the measures taken, air transport is subject to frequent change. These measures do not apply to US residents and family members of US citizens. For further information about the Presidential Proclamations, please visit travel.state.gov.

The Czech MFA recommends that citizens of the Czech Republic, currently located in the United States, maintain contact with the airline with which they purchased tickets and to consider the possibility of early return.  The Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs recommends that all travelers register in the DROZD application and in the event of an emergency contact the nearest embassy or consulate of your home country.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

I’ve heard the bolded mentioned a number of times, yet I’ve not yet seen any data on it. Do you have any data or is this just speculation?

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/04/06/duquesne-food-bank-giveaway/

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/S-A-Food-Bank-giveaway-draws-a-queue-of-cars-15178372.php

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8193153/Miles-long-row-cars-waits-outside-Florida-food-bank-demand-produce-surges-600-cent.html

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-05/coronavirus-crisis-suicide-hotline-mental-health-counselor

https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-in-us-suicide-prevention-covid-19-pandemic-mental-health/6063673/

https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Coronavirus-crisis-may-be-linked-to-increase-in-suicides-in-Vermont-569415451.html

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/health-2/district-attorney-points-to-uptick-in-overdose-numbers/

https://www.hudsonvalley360.com/news/publicservicenews/overdoses-increase-in-columbia-county/article_744403ef-24a8-5dc3-aefd-e88c39a951b4.html

https://www.wivb.com/news/niagara-county-is-experiencing-increase-in-drug-overdose-calls-amid-covid-19-pandemic/

https://www.wpr.org/milwaukee-county-pace-record-number-fatal-drug-overdoses

https://www.ktvu.com/news/san-francisco-secures-housing-for-domestic-violence-survivors-amid-uptick-in-reports

https://turnto10.com/news/local/rhode-island-state-pd-increase-in-domestic-911-calls

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/duval-county/domestic-violence-rise-jacksonville-during-covid-19-pandemic/V2XZSXHI7VFCROEWPTQHXYPV7M/

https://www.abc27.com/community/domestic-violence-sexual-abuse-cases-increase-during-pandemic-with-victims-isolated-behind-closed-doors/

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/bernalillo-county-reports-increase-in-domestic-violence-calls/5696766/

I could go on. Shall I cover all 50 states?

 

[BassNBrew]

Still waiting for one person to explain how roughly 40 Footballguys had this in Nov-Jan but0 Footballguys have this in Mar-Apr.

 

[bentley]

I’ve heard the bolded mentioned a number of times, yet I’ve not yet seen any data on it. Do you have any data or is this just speculation?

If we are talking about spikes in Food Bank demand, that’s objectively true here. I’m on grant review committees in Austin, Dallas/Ft Worth and Houston. I’ve heard data on household violence spikes in DFW. Anecdotes around increased demand at the domestic violence shelters in Austin without hard numbers. Nothing yet in Houston.

 

[Joe Summer]

BassNBrew said:

Still waiting for one person to explain how roughly 40 Footballguys had this in Nov-Jan but0 Footballguys have this in Mar-Apr.

Because we're practicing social distancing now and we weren't back then?

 

[JAA]

It's not Team Apocalypse and Team Optimism at play here.

It's Team FollowTheData and Team Pollyanna.

Look at the damn data.

The whole #######g country shut down nearly, with everything closed.  And we're at 2,000 deaths a day.  

We've done almost everything we can as a country to stop this and we're still having insane numbers of hospitalizations, and daily deaths from ONE disease.

There are two kinds of folks in this situation.  Folks who are data driven, and folks who are driven by other things: politics, emotion, hope?

Look at the data. Argue the data.  But don't pretend like Fox News, or Rush, or Trump has had ANY validity regarding what was going on.  The experts and the MSM have been on top of this from day 1, predicting basically what has happened.

And based on those dire predictions, the country shut down.  And deaths are still spiking.  We have the worst outbreak level in the world, and because it's just 2k/month despite HEROIC efforts at cutting this off, you guys are like "what's the big deal".

There will always be folks who stare in the face of danger and invite others to follow them down the path to destruction.  Right now, unfortunately, because so many americans tune into sources that aren't listening to experts, or who have a drastic imbalance between desire for a restored economy vs one where life is preserved, too many of these "devil be damned" folks just want normal to return no matter the cost...and without a real understanding of what they're asking.  They don't trust the MSM, they in large part trust Trump (based on his record God only knows why), and they doubt the experts.

And they'll encourage folks to heed the sirens call of opening things back up.  "C'mon...the shutdown is worse than the virus.  Come hear our song.  Come steer your ship in this direction.  How bad can it be?  The MSM is lying to you.  Experts are wrong!  Open it all back up!  Come listen to our song."

And unfortunately, this is no small number in society, and our country is being run by many of these people.  God help us all.

+subscribe

 

[-fish-]

More info:

I'm sure he'll admit he was wrong any minute now.   The weird thing is they were supposed to be an example of a country that didn't impose strict restrictions and shutdowns.