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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)
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shader
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd agree with him. This stuff spreads crazy aggressively, and I don't see any way they are going to contain this long term. Especially if it can hop to animals, like the 2 cats that tested positive, and mostly likely right back to humans.
Plus it mutates aggressively based on what we've been told. So it's likely that any antibody protection might only be temporary and we'll be getting hit with new strains in 2030, 2040...
People are just gonna have to go out and face the corona... sooner or later.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Good reminder of why I don't typically interact with the homeless.At the risk of it being a repost - 36% test positive for Coronavirus at Boston homeless shelter with none showing symptoms.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/us/boston-homeless-coronavirus-outbreak/index.html
Kinda strange none of them showed any symptoms too, I'd figure the average homeless person is in below average health. But maybe the ones that survive a while a fairly hardened and can take a lot.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Yeah for me I'm a semi sooner.... my job allows me to easily work from home and I'll protest some if they make me start going back in since I didn't want to before all of this. And we will continue limiting our contact while we are probably in a high risk group for exposure with my daughter working - for the benefit of others. We did hire a guy to do some work around the house though because he was looking for work and we were looking to blow a stimulus check helping people work.... so kind of a middle ground.
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God bless all of you, praying for physical health for your families and financial health for our country. Both are worth fighting for........
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the rover
Footballguy
Actually, near zero includes all near 30s who haven’t tested positive as well. Once you are limiting it to those infected, it is significantly higher. This is more cherry picking.
Any figure that revolves around "tested" is cherry picking. When you expand those to infected, it's significantly lower, since there's a massive number of people infected that have never been identified.
From what I understand the testing guidelines, especially when tests were more sparse (they're still sparse), was something like "only test this person for covid if knowing they had covid would alter their treatment. And if someone dies and they had covid symptoms we'll test them too". So obviously you're gonna end up with heavily bloated mortality rates using those guidelines.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
jplvr
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
What's worse is that our ridiculous overreaction to this one is actually going to cause more people to ignore that one.... kind of like how a bunch of people stick around during the mother of all hurricanes because everyone told them the 5 before that were gonna be the mother of all hurricanes and nothing happened.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
It’s universally contagious and nearly 10x deadlier than the flu. The only reason it won’t kill nearly 2 million people is because 95% of the population is on lockdown. Understood that we’re all looking for good news, but it isn’t really good news. Our way of life has fundamentally changed in fewer than 3-4 months and it may never be the same again. Wake up to what’s happening.
Nah, even if everyone in the country got it it would still be hard pressed to hit 2 million because it's simply not that dangerous.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Enough with the "ridiculous overreaction".
It's not just our country that instituted a lockdown. The entire globe has. Cases and deaths rose exponentially until areas imposed lockdowns. If not for those efforts that were called for by experts everywhere in near unison, we'd be in a catastrophic territory right now.
What expertise do you have to declare this a ridiculous overreaction when those whose lives and jobs are spent on trying to figure out solutions for diseases such as this collectively say otherwise?
There's plenty of doctors that say this was a ridiculous overreaction. This one was written by a radiologist. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation?fbclid=IwAR0v3YF87K-upxDjJUNqte9KKrebXsHh3Mas7MxW_4o1Gazkj2AK-XWILKc
Stop acting like there's universal agreement. A bunch of smart, educated people think most of you are lunatics. I'm one of them.
Galileo
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
A radiologist?
There's about as much consensus on this as there are for vaccinations amongst doctors. No, there aren't "plenty of doctors" that say this was a ridiculous overreaction. There might be some, but what you are saying is simply and utterly not true.
Again, what are your qualifications for making this statement? It is pure nonsense.
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Yes, a radiologist. A guy that went to medical school far longer than you, I'm sure. And there are plenty of others...the guy that shared the article with me was also a radiologist for example.A radiologist?
There's about as much consensus on this as there are for vaccinations amongst doctors. No, there aren't "plenty of doctors" that say this was a ridiculous overreaction. There might be some, but what you are saying it simply and utterly not true.
Again, what are your qualifications for making this statement? It is pure nonsense.
And one only needs a small measure of common sense to see through the crap you guys are spewing.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
And, to clarify, for your reading comprehension: That physician is calling for not CONTINUING a complete lockdown but instead finding a stepwise approach to get back to normal. He says NOTHING about the initial response to the pandemic being a ridiculous overreaction.
So once again, stop posting falsehoods. The WHO, CDC, AMA, and every other medicine board across this country (and across the world) with full support called for this lockdown. Physicians are still lobbying politicians to not open up too early.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Redwes25
Footballguy
For the last two weeks, America has been losing on average over 2,000 people a day to this virus while conducting a "ridiculous overreaction". I can't imagine how many more Americans would be dead without this reaction. I think it was totally appropriate and just wish it had started sooner.
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
You know the virus isn't going to take a night off, but maybe we all should.
Enjoy the NFL draft--drink a few (I have have 3 beers already). I am taking my risk and getting a non-contact pizza delivery.
Just all stay safe!!
Enjoy the NFL draft--drink a few (I have have 3 beers already). I am taking my risk and getting a non-contact pizza delivery.
Just all stay safe!!
-fish-
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
The coronavirus task force talks every day around 530pm. They've been doing for months. Hope that helps.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Good idea, done for night after seeing some of the posts in this thread. Everyone needs a break.
Here's the link to the findings about sunlight and humidity
https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/top-dhs-scientists-says-heat-humidity-slow-coronavirus/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/top-dhs-scientists-says-heat-humidity-slow-coronavirus/
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Careful. Any data that points to the elderly being high risk is frowned upon in here.
Also, this German study has it at about .4% - https://reason.com/2020/04/09/preliminary-german-study-shows-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-of-about-0-4-percent/
The California studies put it well below that as well: https://reason.com/2020/04/21/if-covid-19-has-a-low-infection-fatality-rate-how-many-will-die/
So even if 100% of people got it (which probably wouldn't happen), it's still gonna be hard pressed to hit 2 million, like I said. And from what I've been reading the fatality rates tend to be higher where there's heavy pollution. https://www.sciencealert.com/two-new-studies-provides-evidence-that-air-pollution-is-increasing-risk-of-death-from-coronavirus So New Yorkers not having any clean air to breathe could push their numbers up.
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Keep in mind your models had us at 24000 deaths a day by now and that was AFTER we started mitigation. Maybe you shouldn't always insist on the math all the time. There's so much we don't know still.
The Commish
Footballguy
FWIW...it's been all the rage here in Florida from the beginning. People seem to believe if we get to summer it's going to magically disappear. This is all anecdotal and specific to Florida of course. Don't know what local yokels are saying elsewhere.
shader
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
In all fairness tons of people think it will just disappear if we stay in our houses long enough. Well except to get takeout and run to lowes and get groceries 3 times a week. And hang out with friends and have our parents over for easter.
belljr
Footballguy
It slows based on a study earlier.
You just need to get to 156F to get it to slow down...
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.036855v1
They had data regarding 75 degrees + 80% humidity and sunlight. That article I posted doesn't show the data that had.
Here's some of the numbers:
On nonporous surfaces like stainless steel, the virus takes 18 hours to lose half its strength in a dark, low-humidity environment, Bryan said.
In a high-humidity environment, that half-life dropped to six hours, and when the virus was exposed to high humidity and sunlight, the half-life dropped to two minutes, he said.
Researchers found a similar effect with the coronavirus that was suspended in the air - simulating the coughing or sneezing that often spreads the disease. In a dark room, the virus maintained half its strength for an hour. But when exposed to sunlight, it lost half its strength in 90 seconds, Bryan said.
On nonporous surfaces like stainless steel, the virus takes 18 hours to lose half its strength in a dark, low-humidity environment, Bryan said.
In a high-humidity environment, that half-life dropped to six hours, and when the virus was exposed to high humidity and sunlight, the half-life dropped to two minutes, he said.
Researchers found a similar effect with the coronavirus that was suspended in the air - simulating the coughing or sneezing that often spreads the disease. In a dark room, the virus maintained half its strength for an hour. But when exposed to sunlight, it lost half its strength in 90 seconds, Bryan said.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
That was NOT after mitigation. I never made any projection that INCLUDED mitigation as mitigation is a HUGE unknown variable.jobarules said:
