*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (10 Viewers)

[jamny]

Powerful story from the NY times on the dark days of Queens in the Spring (centered on Elmhust Hospital).  Very long but worth the read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Elmhurst is my local hospital and where an ambulance would take us. It's a horrible place on a normal day. Going there was a real fear back in March/April.

 

[The Commish]

86,567 cases and 4,634 deaths as of now

Thanks!  And if that's the epicenter of things, then there's likely several thousand more that were not counted as they were learning this was a problem....Personally, I'm not completely skeptical of this number.  It's probably not correct, but I also don't think it's off by some large order of magnitude either...not with the action they took.  

 

[Redwes25]

Elmhurst is my local hospital and where an ambulance would take us. It's a horrible place on a normal day. Going there was a real fear back in March/April.

I was scared to go to my local hospital in BK especially when you walked by it with tents and refrigeration trucks outside it (basically two blocks from my house) and my neighborhood was one of the least hit in NYC (Park Slope).  I can't imagine going to any of the public hospital in NY, which are hugely underfunded, on a good day.  Let alone how they all were in March/April and especially Elmhurst.  

 

[beer 30]

Thanks!  And if that's the epicenter of things, then there's likely several thousand more that were not counted as they were learning this was a problem....Personally, I'm not completely skeptical of this number.  It's probably not correct, but I also don't think it's off by some large order of magnitude either...not with the action they took.  

We'll disagree on this one. Add a zero to each of those numbers and I think you get closer but your still light. No way a country of 1 billion+ held the number of cases below 100k. Personally think they were/are closer to our numbers and deaths are well in excess of 100k but there's no proof nor will there ever be so no use debating it. Don't trust much of anything that comes out of there.

 

[The Commish]

We'll disagree on this one. Add a zero to each of those numbers and I think you get closer but your still light. No way a country of 1 billion+ held the number of cases below 100k. Personally think they were/are closer to our numbers and deaths are well in excess of 100k but there's no proof nor will there ever be so no use debating it. Don't trust much of anything that comes out of there.

I get it and understand the skepticism completely.  Like you said, we'll never know.  As a thought exercise, even if we add a zero to each, that's still a drop in the bucket to what's happened here in the US.  I know for a fact people there were absolutely MISERABLE during their lockdown.  There was a point where a single individual could leave the four walls of their home ONCE a week...I think that was end of Feb through April?  Two months they were that way and if they left their home it was ONLY to pick up food being delivered or going to the doctor.  They were incredibly extreme measures they took, which is why I give a bit of credence to the number.  But under those conditions it can still easily be argued that 800K+ got the virus and 46K died from it.  That would STILL be a remarkable feat in a country of a billion people.  Incidentally, my buddy living over there thinks a zero should be added to both totals as you suggest.  

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Honest question, do we have data showing flu cases by year historically and what the flu cases are this year? 

Are flu cases down due to masks and social distancing? 

There was almost no flu season in the southern hemisphere this year due to masks, increased vaccination, and less contacts.

 

[beer 30]

There was almost no flu season in the southern hemisphere this year due to masks, increased vaccination, and less contacts.

Or...OR...BECAUSE THEY ARE FUDGING ALL THE NUMBERS AND CALLING EVERYTHING COVID SO THEY CAN KEEP CONTROLLING YOU SHEEPLE!!!!11!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!11

Sorry, everyone I blocked right after the election are starting to resurface on my FB timeline and seeing this crap again.

 

[BassNBrew]

I had something last December.  Can't imagine it was COVID.  Don't think it was the flu either.  I went to bed, perfectly fine.  Woke up at 5am sweating my ### off, fever of about 102.  No congestion, no coughing, but I was on my ### all day.  Could barely muster energy to talk.  That evening, handed the kids cash and told them to go get dinner in town (walking distance, luckily).  Managed to suck down a milkshake that they bought for me and went right back to bed.  Got up absolutely fine the next morning.

Food poisoning?

Could have been the lingering effects of watching a Jets or Lions game.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Just understand a few things:

1)  December/January/February are peak flu months.  We see a LOT of it and this past year was particularly high prevalence.  So, when you consider the thousands upon thousands of people that actually had the flu, most of them are going to look back and go "wow, this could have been Covid".  But, more than likely, it was the flu.

2)  Along with #1, just because Covid now seems to have been found back in December, it most definitely wasn't very common or widely circulating.  There is no question about what we are seeing now.  We weren't seeing that in January and February.  So there may have been a "handful" of cases where it started, but there's no way it was anywhere near as common as the flu as our hospitals would have seen the clinical symptoms we see now which are very different than typical flu. 

In other words, if you were sick back in January and even February, it was very likely the flu and not Covid unless you had the typical symptoms we are now seeing with Covid (i.e. loss of taste and smell).

The real tell was the lack of unexplained cytokine storm + ARDS in early winter. Heck, there was a new respiratory condition already, vaping associated pulmonary injury, so it’s not as if a bunch of people with severe pneumonia would likely have just been written off .

 

[Terminalxylem]

That sounds like the flu.  Influenza tends to knock people on their ###.  For some reason folks think the flu is like the common cold, which is absolutely not the case.

If you had flu-like symptoms back in February or before, it is overwhelmingly likely that you just had the flu.

There’s a big spectrum of illness for flu, including many asymptomatic and cold-like cases.

ETA What @MTskibum  said.

 

[AAABatteries]

Not to sound like a jerk but you people do know there's more viruses out there than just the flu and COVID, right?

 

[Osaurus]

Not to sound like a jerk but you people do know there's more viruses out there than just the flu and COVID, right?

Sounds like you’re ready to start up the Virus Draft. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. Health Care Workers
   
2. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
3. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
4. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
5. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
6. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
7. 40+
   
8. 12+
   

 

[Jackstraw]

At dentist. Not thrilled with timing since local cases blowing up and hospitals at capacity. Seems safe. Staff double masked, everyone temperature checked and oxygen levels checked.

Think most symptoms from Thanksgiving would have presented by now, though up to 40% may not show symptoms at all. 

Don’t love being amongst people, for sure. Highest risk thing I’ve done by far since March.

Same except the oxygen. Thought they did a decent enough job. Went home and showered.

Clean checkup tho!   

 

[IvanKaramazov]

At dentist. Not thrilled with timing since local cases blowing up and hospitals at capacity. Seems safe. Staff double masked, everyone temperature checked and oxygen levels checked.

Think most symptoms from Thanksgiving would have presented by now, though up to 40% may not show symptoms at all. 

Don’t love being amongst people, for sure. Highest risk thing I’ve done by far since March.

Yeah, I cancelled my last dentist appointment, which was a couple of months ago.  I know that it's probably safe, but I didn't feel comfortable going.  Besides, it was just going to be a cleaning and that can wait six months.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Honest question, do we have data showing flu cases by year historically and what the flu cases are this year? 

Are flu cases down due to masks and social distancing? 

Yes

 

[Doug B]

It's almost a guarantee that it wasn't "a few thousand", but I can absolutely believe it was less than 100,000 and I have no idea what they are reporting as their "official" number.  The actions they took were intense and no joke.  You want to know what a real "lockdown" looks like?  Look at China.  It was painful.  However, now, they are basically back to normal (though still not allowing many people into their country from other countries).  What was the official number that China provided?

86,567 cases and 4,634 deaths as of now

Yep -- Worldometers shows that China first cracked 80,000 on March 1st and was at 86,551 on Dec 2nd. 

 

[culdeus]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. Health Care Workers
   
2. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
3. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
4. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
5. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
6. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
7. 40+
   
8. 12+
   

I'm not sure all 65+ get it 3rd if no PE exist.  

Friend that is at a Fortune 500 company says they will get access and will basically allow people to sign up FCFS and will give it out by age top down by how it's signed up for.  Any PEC will go to their PCP.  

So there will be two flows here, one for high risk and one for age risk.  If that makes sense.  In that way if you are age risk only you will get in the age risk line.  

 

[Angry Beavers]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. FBG's
   
2. Health Care Workers
   
3. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
4. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
5. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
6. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
7. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
8. 40+
   
9. 12+  18+
   
10. Children
    

Fixed #1 for you - seriously I am not sure kids under 18 need it and I do not want to make this political  - i will merely suggest that I could see moving essential workers above the elderly simply as a way of taking care of the entire society. It is is easy for me to say as I do not have a loved one in a facility.  

 

[Willy]

I believe the distribution plan will be up to each state.  WI published a list similar to the list Leroy Jenkins posted above

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/12/02/what-we-know-wisconsins-covid-19-vaccine-plan-distribute-progress-moderna-pfizer/3794415001/

Which Wisconsinites will get the vaccine first?

The first to be inoculated against the new coronavirus in Wisconsin will be health care workers who have treated or been exposed to COVID-19 patients, residents of long-term care or assisted living facilities, people over age 65, and some essential workers, a plan released by the state Department of Health Services says.

Those groups are considered to be priority "Phase 1 populations" under the DHS plan.

The second phase will include all those from Phase 1 who have yet to be vaccinated, along with "other critical populations to be determined." The state expects a larger number of doses to be available, likely enough to meet demand.

That article also says the CDC has slated 47k vaccines for Wisconsin the first week.  I don't know why, but I thought it would be more.  Seems paltry for a state that is blowing the freak up right now.

 

[Courtjester]

Broke records in my county today--over 1,000 new cases---17 new deaths-almost 50 total for the week.. I am not leaving the house 

 

[Payne]

Just because it was not the flu, does not mean it was Covid. There is a host of other respiratory illnesses, including the other coronavirus strains that have been around for years (the ones from the back of the Lysol can). Not saying it wasn't Covid, but odds are more likely that it was not. Guess you'll never know for sure now that they've both tested positive since then, but that fact in itself also makes it highly unlikely that the January event was not Covid, as we have seen only very limited cases of reinfection. 

Well you can't pick and choose what you want to believe. Recently it's been said antibodies only last a few months. So absolutely they could have gotten it a second time. And perhaps their symptoms were less this time because of it. We had many, many people come down with the same illness around the same timeframe. More than just a coincidence I believe. I don't recall people in years past speaking of a violent sickness happening around the same time and also not test as the flu. Not saying you're wrong either, but that type of spread a month before Covid really started up and now scientists saying it was possibly here in December....... I like the odds. 

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

So, 9/10 times you go to the doc and they say "its just a virus and has to run its course".  If they test for flu and it comes back negative, pre-2020, what would it most likely be?

Now, same thing happens february-ish 2020, what is it then?

Assume fever, sore throat, aches, fatigue ...

Not mentioning to get in the pissing contest of "i had covid" but more of asking what the general consensus would be if its not the flu then what is it 

 

[Dezbelief]

It's almost a guarantee that it wasn't "a few thousand", but I can absolutely believe it was less than 100,000 and I have no idea what they are reporting as their "official" number.  The actions they took were intense and no joke.  You want to know what a real "lockdown" looks like?  Look at China.  It was painful.  However, now, they are basically back to normal (though still not allowing many people into their country from other countries).  What was the official number that China provided?

86,567 cases and 4,634 deaths as of now

Yep -- Worldometers shows that China first cracked 80,000 on March 1st and was at 86,551 on Dec 2nd. 

A lot of us didn't trust the numbers at that time. I will say from a purely not wanting this virus in my house point of view I would rather be living in China than the USA right now. New Zealand is Ranked #1.

 

[gianmarco]

So, 9/10 times you go to the doc and they say "its just a virus and has to run its course".  If they test for flu and it comes back negative, pre-2020, what would it most likely be?

Now, same thing happens february-ish 2020, what is it then?

Assume fever, sore throat, aches, fatigue ...

Not mentioning to get in the pissing contest of "i had covid" but more of asking what the general consensus would be if its not the flu then what is it 

"its just a virus and has to run its course"

 

[beer 30]

Yep -- Worldometers shows that China first cracked 80,000 on March 1st and was at 86,551 on Dec 2nd. 

Seems reasonable 

 

[Terminalxylem]

So, 9/10 times you go to the doc and they say "its just a virus and has to run its course".  If they test for flu and it comes back negative, pre-2020, what would it most likely be?

Now, same thing happens february-ish 2020, what is it then?

Assume fever, sore throat, aches, fatigue ...

Not mentioning to get in the pissing contest of "i had covid" but more of asking what the general consensus would be if its not the flu then what is it 

Rhinovirus, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, adenovirus, enterovirus, non-SARS coronaviruses, metapneumovirus all cause flu-like illness, as do some bacteria like strep pneumoniae, strep pyogenes, etc.

A lot of others I didn’t mention, but you get the picture.

 

[AAABatteries]

I am 100% convinced this was here earlier than noted. Nobody here is going to convince me otherwise. So many people had similar issues.

Youngest daughter and wife were sick in January. Daughter went to doctor and was told NOT the flu. 

Just so happens the same daughter and my wife tested positive on November 3rd. Wife had very mild headache for a day. Daughter never skipped a beat. 

Well you can't pick and choose what you want to believe. Recently it's been said antibodies only last a few months. So absolutely they could have gotten it a second time. And perhaps their symptoms were less this time because of it. We had many, many people come down with the same illness around the same timeframe. More than just a coincidence I believe. I don't recall people in years past speaking of a violent sickness happening around the same time and also not test as the flu. Not saying you're wrong either, but that type of spread a month before Covid really started up and now scientists saying it was possibly here in December....... I like the odds. 

 

 

[AAABatteries]

Fixed #1 for you - seriously I am not sure kids under 18 need it and I do not want to make this political  - i will merely suggest that I could see moving essential workers above the elderly simply as a way of taking care of the entire society. It is is easy for me to say as I do not have a loved one in a facility.  

I don’t understand this - we vaccinate them for the flu, why wouldn’t we vaccinate them for COVID?

 

[Payne]

 

Completely taken out of context, but have at it I guess. 

 

[sho nuff]

Not to sound like a jerk but you people do know there's more viruses out there than just the flu and COVID, right?

No doubt...my kids having gone through daycare and elementary school...I cannot count the number of times sent home for a fever that lasts a few days...not flu...sometimes no other symptoms.  Doctors just saying...its a virus, treat fever with tylenol or ibuprofen til they get better.

Daughter and I both had something in January...don't think it was Covid or Flu...she had a fever for about 10 days (2nd time the last 5 years or so she has had a bug like that)...for me it was constant congestion/wheezing.  Felt like a mild asthma attack but almost constant.  Doctor and my allergist just said use my inhaler as needed.  Now early on in this I wondered if we had Covid...but since then, there is no doubt it was not.  Just another bug.

 

[sho nuff]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. Health Care Workers
   
2. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
3. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
4. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
5. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
6. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
7. 40+
   
8. 12+
   

I might put the bolded up a bit....but other than that...yeah, seems this is a good start to a priorty list.

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah, I cancelled my last dentist appointment, which was a couple of months ago.  I know that it's probably safe, but I didn't feel comfortable going.  Besides, it was just going to be a cleaning and that can wait six months.

I think I have been to the dentist twice since all of this.  They are probably one of the safest in terms of prepared for this type of stuff.  Already had a lot of PPE before...added some as well as the precautions of temp/oxygen.  Mine also now has me do some rinse/gargle for a minute when I get in the exam area.   Ive felt completely safe at mine.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Your monthly reminder that the FDA kills people:

Pfizer submitted data detailing the safety and effectiveness of its vaccine on Nov. 22. But rather than immediately convening experts, the FDA scheduled a review meeting on Dec. 10, almost three weeks later. As Pfizer’s application sits on the shelf at the FDA awaiting authorization, about 27,000 Americans will have died. So what is the FDA doing for three weeks?

As a Johns Hopkins scientist who has conducted more than 100 clinical studies and reviewed thousands more from the scientific community at large, I can assure you that the agency’s review can be done within 24 to 48 hours without cutting any corners. They just need to work harder.

Contrary to popular belief, the FDA process is not hands-on—it does not interview vaccine trial patients or look under a microscope at the immune cells. It’s doing a statistical analysis and looking at data. For the vaccine trial, the data set is small and straightforward. If my research team, normally tasked with analyzing data on millions of patients, was asked to review the smaller Pfizer vaccine study of 43,000 patients, it would take about one hour.

Link

 

[beer 30]

Your monthly reminder that the FDA kills people:

Link

Thanks for the link, pretty damning article. 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

So, 9/10 times you go to the doc and they say "its just a virus and has to run its course".  If they test for flu and it comes back negative, pre-2020, what would it most likely be?

Now, same thing happens february-ish 2020, what is it then?

Assume fever, sore throat, aches, fatigue ...

Not mentioning to get in the pissing contest of "i had covid" but more of asking what the general consensus would be if its not the flu then what is it 

I asked this question to a friend (Nurse practitioner) back in March and she said most of the time, the tests (which she showed me an example of) actually identified presence of one of the other coronavirus strains, but they didn't have an identified disease name ala Covid-19, so it's "just a virus." Depending on which test(s) were run on you. Some identify Flu/Pnemonia/Coronaviruses. Some maybe just checking for one of those things. I guess it depends on what symptoms you are displaying AND what tests they have available.  The ones that check for a multitude of things (What she called a FIRE screening, which checks for most of the different respiratory illnesses) is rather expensive, and sometimes was an issue to get insurance to pay for it. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Your monthly reminder that the FDA kills people:

Link

That guy is full of crap. 

I have said this before in here, but anybody that has ever listened to an adcomm meeting knows full well how much goes into this stuff. Could it be streamlimed? Sure. Do some of the prep documents need to be 100 pages? Do they need as much public commentary as they get? Do they need to be as concerned with packaging(one of my biggest complaints)? Plenty of areas to cut. But...

24-48 hours would be insane. When somebody makes that outlandish of a claim I dont think we need to search for a nugget of a good point in their overall message.

 

[Biff84]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. Health Care Workers
   
2. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
3. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
4. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
5. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
6. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
7. 40+
   
8. 12+
   

Pretty good list and certainly something I’ll be thinking about a lot as I’ll be somewhere in charge of triaging the patients when it gets to the second phase of distribution.

Phase 1 will be very much in the hands of the states and will be very restricted to specific populations. Phase 2 will likely be controlled by the immunizing sites and likely will be chaotic.

AZ plan for phase 1 looks like this:

1A - Direct contact health care workers, long term care residents

1B - Other health care workers, essential workers - law enforcement, food workers, teachers, people in congregate settings

1C - High risk adults

After that triaging will be done by pharmacies with the added challenge of reserving second doses. Planning and organization is going to be key because everyone already thinks they are high priority.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

That guy is full of crap. 

I have said this before in here, but anybody that has ever listened to an adcomm meeting knows full well how much goes into this stuff. Could it be streamlimed? Sure. Do some of the prep documents need to be 100 pages? Do they need as much public commentary as they get? Do they need to be as concerned with packaging(one of my biggest complaints)? Plenty of areas to cut. But...

24-48 hours would be insane. When somebody makes that outlandish of a claim I dont think we need to search for a nugget of a good point in their overall message.

FDA insiders say the agency and its approximately 17,000 employees were dark for the four-day Thanksgiving holiday, including those working on the vaccine approval.

Marty Makary M.D., M.P.H. is a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. He is editor-in-chief of Medpage Today and the author of the 2020 Business Book of the Year, The Price We Pay. His opinions are his own and do not represent those of any institution.

 

[parasaurolophus]

FDA insiders say the agency and its approximately 17,000 employees were dark for the four-day Thanksgiving holiday, including those working on the vaccine approval.

He literally said 24-48 hours. That's absurd. Pointing out that they possibly were not working on the vaccine from unnamed sources for 4 days over thanksgiving doesnt change the absurdity of his claim. 

Lets look at it this way. He just tweeted a preprint on December 1st of a study and risk assessor to identify who should get the vaccine. Data cutoff was August 31st. I mean couldn't they have got that out there a bit faster? Maybe even had it peer reviewed in time? Just work a bit harder since you know, the vaccine should have been approved November 24th. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

I asked this question to a friend (Nurse practitioner) back in March and she said most of the time, the tests (which she showed me an example of) actually identified presence of one of the other coronavirus strains, but they didn't have an identified disease name ala Covid-19, so it's "just a virus." Depending on which test(s) were run on you. Some identify Flu/Pnemonia/Coronaviruses. Some maybe just checking for one of those things. I guess it depends on what symptoms you are displaying AND what tests they have available.  The ones that check for a multitude of things (What she called a FIRE screening, which checks for most of the different respiratory illnesses) is rather expensive, and sometimes was an issue to get insurance to pay for it. 

There’s no reason to test for the majority of respiratory viruses, as the tests cost money and the treatment won’t change regardless of the results. The Bio fire assay  your NP referred to was just revised, but still tests for 13 different things for which there is no treatment.

 

[MTskibum]

There’s no reason to test for the majority of respiratory viruses, as the tests cost money and the treatment won’t change regardless of the results. The Bio fire assay  your NP referred to was just revised, but still tests for 13 different things for which there is no treatment.

Quite a few years ago at Thanksgiving when my parents were living in central wyoming my 1 year old niece had RSV and i know they tested her. They flew her to Billings, Montana in a helicopter because the 2000 person town my parents were living in were not equipped to handle a really sick 1 year old.

She did turn out fine in the end, although she had loud breathing for 2-3 years after that.

They occasionally test for the other viruses.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sooooo, what do we think the vaccine order will/should be?

1. Health Care Workers
   
2. Assisted Living/Elder Care Facilities (residents and staff)
   
3. 65+ and those with diabetes and the other 3-4 conditions (other than obesity alone) that seem to cause more severe cases?
   
4. Food Industry (meat packing etc. and grocery workers)
   
5. Other Essential Workers (teachers, utilities, postal?)
   
6. People with other pre-existing conditions (auto-immune disorders and others?)
   
7. 40+
   
8. 12+
   

I might put the bolded up a bit....but other than that...yeah, seems this is a good start to a priorty list.

I would put anyone who got the placebo at #1.

 

[DallasDMac]

Our seven day rolling average in Bexar County (San Antonio) is up to almost 1,000 cases a day. Even more concerning is the rise of people on ventilators. Going to get ugly in a week when the Thanksgiving numbers start to hit.

 

[beer 30]

Ohio adds Ohio to its travel advisory list due to high coronavirus positivity rate

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/ohio-adds-ohio-travel-advisory-list-high-covid-19-positivity-rate

Yes, you read that right. Ohio added itself to its own travel advisory list. Wtf are my people doing up there? Just traveled there for Thanksgiving, whole state is turning purple.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Work as RN for the state on weekends at a home for those with developmental disabilities. The home is basically set up as 3 separate apartments divided by double doors with 3-4 individuals per apartments. 

Apparently (at least) one of them tested positive yesterday. Heard news from a co-worker yesterday. As disorganized as management at this home is, wouldn't be surprised if I heard nothing about from them before this weekend. Undecided what I'm going to do. I'm thinking the worst just knowing how disorganized things are there.

The one that tested positive has his own bedroom.... separated MAYBE 5 foot from the rooms of 70+ year old man and a 50 year old male. To make matters worse, my co-worker/friend was in direct contact with the individual yesterday (then pulled a double....working at a completely different state home for an eight hour shift). Unbeknownst to him, the individual from first home would test positive later in day. I never understood the rationale, in general, allowing employees to work different homes.... and now here we are. I was asked on a couple occasions (due to shortages) but refused.

Update: Now my co-worker/friend above has tested positive today. 

Up to 2 clients and 3 employees (so far) that I'm aware of come up positive in past 7 days.

The state runs 7-8 residential facilities in the immediate area that I'm aware of. In news you wouldn't believe,  someone with the state thought it would be a WONDERFUL idea this morning to have ALL the state employees in these 7-8 facilities meet at ONCE outside the 1 COVID positive facility I work at on weekends to be fit with masks. Estimated to be about 70+ employees according to my co-worker were present. I truly couldn't believe it. I mean REALLY?!? I declined to attend. Lot of things ran though my mind. (The COVID positive co-worker/friend above attended.....he was advised of his positive result at this meetup)

Just a complete cluster#### beyond anyone's wildest imagination. 

 

[Don't Toews Me]

Great story: https://apnews.com/article/alabama-birthdays-coronavirus-pandemic-birmingham-7abe6148b12ceddfa098c312bf6ea2c5?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 

[top dog]

I'm so friggin happy right now! The last person in our office who was in the hospital came home last night! I was so worried about him. He was in the hospital with COVID for awhile.

I had this text message thread with him last night:

Friend : I was just released from _____ Hospital. The COVID ran havoc with my lungs. I am tethered to an oxygen machine. My lungs are swollen due to the pneumonia

Me: Thank God you were released though! That is awesome news!

Friend: I just got home tonight around 8pm.

Me: I have been legit worried about you brother. You have no idea how happy I am you came home!

Friend: I almost didn't make it. I was one step away from being intubated and on life support. It is good to be home, thank you for your prayers and concerns. It is great friends like you that give me hope and support. God bless!

Me: Damn! I'm so happy to hear you didn't have to be intubated! Thank God we are getting better at fighting this crap!

Friend: Remdesivere the drug they gave Trump was how they were able to save me.

I really did almost cry when I received those text messages last night. This guy is such a good dude. I've known his whole family for over 20 years. 

13 out of 15 people in the office got it. 3 ended up hospitalized. But everyone is going to live to fight another day. I'll take that win in 2020 any day. 

We lost three family members in the outbreak our sister company had in late March. A few of our recent ones are going to have a bit of a long road ahead of them including the guy I was texting last night, but at least I don't have to go to another funeral for a friend or loved one! 

 

[top dog]

Ohio adds Ohio to its travel advisory list due to high coronavirus positivity rate

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/ohio-adds-ohio-travel-advisory-list-high-covid-19-positivity-rate

Yes, you read that right. Ohio added itself to its own travel advisory list. Wtf are my people doing up there? Just traveled there for Thanksgiving, whole state is turning purple.

It has kind of exploded here.  :(

 

[Biff84]

It has kind of exploded here.  :(

Exploding everywhere right now. Arizona is as bad as during the summer with no signs of slowing down. One of the young employees at our store was clearly showing symptoms and has been for the last two days while working and not wearing her mask correctly. Talking to a lot of people at the pharmacy who’ve tested positive, showing symptoms or been exposed. It’s going to be a dark couple of months when these cases and hospitalizations start to become deaths.