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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)

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That one guy said:
What exactly is the plan once the 2-week to one month national quarantine ends?  I’m on board with it and I get the purpose for it, but I get the feeling that there’s a ton of people who think that’s it, back to normal on April 1st.  
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I had this discussion with my son last night.  He thought it was going to be business as usual for school, etc after April6th or whatever the governorsaid.  I said I wouldn't be surprised if he finished his school year up online And they didn't physically go back to school until September.  

 
That one guy said:
What exactly is the plan once the 2-week to one month national quarantine ends?  I’m on board with it and I get the purpose for it, but I get the feeling that there’s a ton of people who think that’s it, back to normal on April 1st.  
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It's very unlikely things go back to normal by April 1.

Possible.... but unlikely. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
People need to be one step ahead of what will be hoarded next. Feminine hygiene products, Advil, Tylenol, cough medicine, Mucinex, Kleenex, etc. Where we are, beer, wine, and alcohol are going fast. 
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If hoarding booze is wrong, I don't want to be right

 
That one guy said:

What exactly is the plan once the 2-week to one month national quarantine ends? I’m on board with it and I get the purpose for it, but I get the feeling that there’s a ton of people who think that’s it, back to normal on April 1st.
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Depends on whether the curve has been sufficiently flattened.

If YES, then most people resume a relatively normal life (but with more hand-washing than usual).

If NO, then everything goes online for a while and sports as we know it are suspended until further notice.
 
That one guy said:
What exactly is the plan once the 2-week to one month national quarantine ends?  I’m on board with it and I get the purpose for it, but I get the feeling that there’s a ton of people who think that’s it, back to normal on April 1st.  
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That's really a great question.

Things getting back to normal won't happen for... a long time.

 
[icon] said:
This intrigued me... @Terminalxylem Or others have any idea why guaifenesin might be having this effect? It's just an expectorant right? 
 

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I'm seven pages behind, so I'm assuming this was addressed:

[Guaifenesin] is believed to work by making airway secretions more liquid ...

Guaifenesin increases the analgesic effect of paracetamol (acetaminophen) and aspirin. ...

Guaifenesin is thought to act as an expectorant by increasing the volume and reducing the viscosity of secretions in the trachea and bronchi. It has been said to aid in the flow of respiratory tract secretions, allowing ciliary movement to carry the loosened secretions upward toward the pharynx. Thus, it may increase the efficiency of the cough reflex and facilitate removal of the secretions.
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adonis said:
Until there's a coronavirus vaccine, or the virus has run roughshod over the earlthy population, there won't be a ton of tourism or hope for folks.
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I doubt it. The first couple years will thin the herd, leaving a healthier and resistant population that will carry on. There will probably be seasonal outbreaks but life and tourism will come back. Hope will come back even sooner.

 
NotSmart said:
Is there reason to think it might be beneficial to take an expectorant if one has to self treat for covid-19?
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[Not professional medical advice]

If you're a COVID patient well enough to self-treat at home, guaifenesin should make whatever you have to cough up thinner, and thus easier for your lungs to "move".

I don't know if guaifenesin is given to COVID patients with pneumonia in a hospital setting.

[/Not professional medical advice]

 
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

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For weeks, federal officials have emphasized that asymptomatic transmission can happen, but have said that it's not a significant factor in the spread of the virus.

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"We now know that asymptomatic transmission likely [plays] an important role in spreading this virus," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Osterholm added that it's "absolutely clear" that asymptomatic infection "surely can fuel a pandemic like this in a way that's going to make it very difficult to control."

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"At the very beginning of the outbreak, we had many questions about how transmission of this virus occurred. And unfortunately, we saw a number of people taking very firm stances about it was happening this way or it wasn't happening this way. And as we have continued to learn how transmission occurs with this outbreak, it is clear that many of those early statements were not correct," he said.

"This is time for straight talk," he said. "This is time to tell the public what we know and don't know."

 
General spit-balling opinions sought from the house:

Do you all think that groceries and wholesale-club stores will approach a return to normal by the weekend of March 20-22? Or will it still be last-days-of-Pompeii shopping like this weekend?

Thinking of making a "what the heck" run at 6 a.m. tomorrow for a few things we don't need, but kind of want (e.g. Diet Coke [wife 'needs' this], Gatorade in case it;s needed for home care, etc.). Wondering if I can expect hundreds of people in line on Sunday at 6 a.m. at the local chain grocery -- not Costco or similar, just an average suburban supermarket. Might also make a reconnaissance mission late tonight (same store closes at 11 p.m.).

 
I know I've been a doom and gloom guy, but I think we (as a country) can be ok.  I'm very encouraged by the steps the country has taken over the past couple of days. 

Here's why I'm optomistic:  We are not one homogenous countries - we are 50 states that work very closely together.  Some areas will for sure get hit hard, others will be spared.  And, areas that are spared can help areas that get hard and offset some of the burden.  Some states will look like Italy, some will look like South Korea.

We know that nationally, we are following a similar curve to Italy (and most other countries).  But, when looking at case totals, we need to remember that (1) the US is 5x the size of Italy (2) different states are currently in drastically different spots on the exponential growth curve and actions taken today can have huge impacts.

Italy started locking things down on 3/8.  They had 7,375 cases that day, or 12.2 cases per 100k.  Today, Washington State has 569 cases, or 7.6 cases per 100k - almost 1/2 the total number of per capita cases that Italy did.  My home state of South Carolina is locking things down with 13 cases , or 0.26 per 100k.

Hopefully, acting earlier in the growth curve will have dramatic effects of bringing down the exponential growth.  Now, Washington, California, New York are still probably  going to get slammed, Italy style.  What we have in our favor is this: because Idaho is not being hit as hard as Seattle, patients/equipment can be transported to lessen the impact.  Delaware and Vermont can help NYC.  Nevada can help California, etc.

We have a long way to go to mitigate this.  We will need the federal government to do better.  We need to continue to quarantine even after we all get cabin fever next week (tomorrow?).  We need to put all our effort behind this, and we need to rally behind strong leadership.  I will reserve my thoughts on this for the PSF, but I am encouraged by the thought that it isn't too late to stem the tide.

 
OMG, I can’t believe how stupid people can be. My wife’s friend has a son who is an EMT who got a call to pick up a woman showing symptoms. She insisted she had not traveled anywhere, so he took her to an urgent care center and went back on calls, including several transports of elderly people. 

The first women waited around a crowded waiting room and finally fessed up she just flew back from London. She is presumptive positive. The EMT then had to drop everything and go back to the urgent care center. He is now being escorted by a police officer and is not allowed to leave and will be quarantined. Meanwhile, HE IS IN A WAITING ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. He can’t leave, and they aren’t moving him. This is why things are going to turn into a problem very soon. 

 
NotSmart said:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

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For weeks, federal officials have emphasized that asymptomatic transmission can happen, but have said that it's not a significant factor in the spread of the virus.

...

"We now know that asymptomatic transmission likely [plays] an important role in spreading this virus," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Osterholm added that it's "absolutely clear" that asymptomatic infection "surely can fuel a pandemic like this in a way that's going to make it very difficult to control."
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WHO's 40-page report on China had said they didn't find evidence of major asymptomatic transmission there. Before that came out many of us following this closely in this thread kind of assumed that there were many asymptomatic carriers, but that the WHO report put those concerns to bed.

Meanwhile, the information and the expert opinions seems to swing back and forth. What are we thinking now? @shader? @[icon]?

 
Doug B said:
General spit-balling opinions sought from the house:

Do you all think that groceries and wholesale-club stores will approach a return to normal by the weekend of March 20-22? Or will it still be last-days-of-Pompeii shopping like this weekend?

Thinking of making a "what the heck" run at 6 a.m. tomorrow for a few things we don't need, but kind of want (e.g. Diet Coke [wife 'needs' this], Gatorade in case it;s needed for home care, etc.). Wondering if I can expect hundreds of people in line on Sunday at 6 a.m. at the local chain grocery -- not Costco or similar, just an average suburban supermarket. Might also make a reconnaissance mission late tonight (same store closes at 11 p.m.).
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I think it's highly likely that grocery shopping will not return to any semblance of normalcy for an unknown and likely lengthy period of time.

If you have any grocery stores open 24 hours, set your alarm for 2AM or sometime after midnight and go then.

For Gatorade, consider getting the cans of powder.

 
Doug B said:
General spit-balling opinions sought from the house:

Do you all think that groceries and wholesale-club stores will approach a return to normal by the weekend of March 20-22? Or will it still be last-days-of-Pompeii shopping like this weekend?

Thinking of making a "what the heck" run at 6 a.m. tomorrow for a few things we don't need, but kind of want (e.g. Diet Coke [wife 'needs' this], Gatorade in case it;s needed for home care, etc.). Wondering if I can expect hundreds of people in line on Sunday at 6 a.m. at the local chain grocery -- not Costco or similar, just an average suburban supermarket. Might also make a reconnaissance mission late tonight (same store closes at 11 p.m.).
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I might go tomorrow just to witness what humanity is really like in times of crisis. 

 
People are dumb, we are all dead:

Schools close to stop gatherings and the Boys and Girls Club says no problem, just drop them all off with us. 

Governor outlaws gathers of 250 or more and hundreds pack into Costco. 

King County buys a hotel to quarantine and the second guy they put in there, homeless, leaves.  Walks across the street, steals some donuts and hops on a metro bus.  

 
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Anarchy99 said:
OMG, I can’t believe how stupid people can be. My wife’s friend has a son who is an EMT who got a call to pick up a woman showing symptoms. She insisted she had not traveled anywhere, so he took her to an urgent care center and went back on calls, including several transports of elderly people. 

The first women waited around a crowded waiting room and finally fessed up she just flew back from London. She is presumptive positive. The EMT then had to drop everything and go back to the urgent care center. He is now being escorted by a police officer and is not allowed to leave and will be quarantined. Meanwhile, HE IS IN A WAITING ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. He can’t leave, and they aren’t moving him. This is why things are going to turn into a problem very soon. 
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This is a microcosm of the uphill battle we face in containing this.

Besides the potential tragedy to all involved in the above situation, an EMT was just taken out of the rotation for some period of time.

The snowball effects of the things that are happening are terrifying.

 
Politician Spock said:
Doug B said:
General spit-balling opinions sought from the house:

Do you all think that groceries and wholesale-club stores will approach a return to normal by the weekend of March 20-22? Or will it still be last-days-of-Pompeii shopping like this weekend?

Thinking of making a "what the heck" run at 6 a.m. tomorrow for a few things we don't need, but kind of want (e.g. Diet Coke [wife 'needs' this], Gatorade in case it;s needed for home care, etc.). Wondering if I can expect hundreds of people in line on Sunday at 6 a.m. at the local chain grocery -- not Costco or similar, just an average suburban supermarket. Might also make a reconnaissance mission late tonight (same store closes at 11 p.m.).
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I might go tomorrow just to witness what humanity is really like in times of crisis. 
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Was kind of thinking that there'd be a point where everyone who intended to horde will have gotten the hoarding out of the way. At least around here, stores aren't closing (though restricted hours are thought to be coming for after-hours restocking). So at least for now, we should - locally - expect to be able to go to the store tomorrow and next Wednesday and next weekend, and so forth. I guess it's possible that retailers close en masse all over the place with no warning ... is that kind of event even on the horizon? That didn't even happen in Wuhan, did it?

 
Doug B said:
[Not professional medical advice]

If you're a COVID patient well enough to self-treat at home, guaifenesin should make whatever you have to cough up thinner, and thus easier for your lungs to "move".

I don't know if guaifenesin is given to COVID patients with pneumonia in a hospital setting.

[/Not professional medical advice]
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Good enough for me!

Going out to hoard some guiafutussion

 
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moleculo said:
Ugh.  Neighbor girl, my daughters BFF, just rang the doorbell, wanting to play.

Sorry, kid.  Not today.  Not until we can get our plans in place and we can make sure your parents are taking this as serious as we are.

I think our policy for the next couple of weeks is this:  they can play, but only outside.  Bike rides, walks, etc are all good.  Probably no to the playground.  No going inside, and no shared food/drinks.  And when you come inside, immediate hand wash, shower, and change of clothes.  Absolutely no hugs (probably the most important bit).

At the end of the day, its not just about us - the neighbor girl has elderly grandparents a couple houses down and her mom is recovering from cancer.  My kids are currently coughing a little bit - Dr says sinus infections, no fever....but obviously no corona test so who knows.

ETA:  also loosening up on screen time restrictions. These days, I'm actually encouraging my kids to be on their phones and not playing with their friends.  My 5th grader had spent pretty much the whole day in a group video chat with her classmates.
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I was just coming in here to ask what the recommendations are regarding this.  My daughter loves playing with friends in the neighborhood.  I can't imaging saying no right now if I am going to be going to work on Monday and being around a bunch of people.  However, wife and I are questioning what is right here.

 
Politician Spock said:
I might go tomorrow just to witness what humanity is really like in times of crisis. 
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The crowds have been orderly so far and exhibited a sense that everyone's in the same boat.

It doesn't take much imagination to see that changing relatively soon.

Think Black Friday and $250 big screen tvs, only now it's for food.

 
Doug B said:
General spit-balling opinions sought from the house:

Do you all think that groceries and wholesale-club stores will approach a return to normal by the weekend of March 20-22? Or will it still be last-days-of-Pompeii shopping like this weekend?

Thinking of making a "what the heck" run at 6 a.m. tomorrow for a few things we don't need, but kind of want (e.g. Diet Coke [wife 'needs' this], Gatorade in case it;s needed for home care, etc.). Wondering if I can expect hundreds of people in line on Sunday at 6 a.m. at the local chain grocery -- not Costco or similar, just an average suburban supermarket. Might also make a reconnaissance mission late tonight (same store closes at 11 p.m.).
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I stocked up at Costco, but ventured out to our local grocery store today for a few non-essential things we wanted, but did not need.

Big store - looked like a hurricane hit it.  Large sections of shelve were empty.  I don't even know what had been there - though the aisle with rice was notably empty.

I would not worry about crowds at 6, but I would worry about whether the store has had time to re-stock, assuming there was a run on things the last couple of days. (Having said that, my recollection was that the Soda Aisle was reasonably well stocked.)

 
NotSmart said:
The crowds have been orderly so far and exhibited a sense that everyone's in the same boat.

It doesn't take much imagination to see that changing relatively soon.

Think Black Friday and $250 big screen tvs, only now it's for food.
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Personally, I think a lot of people are in denial. I think you agree, given a prior comment earlier today.

As denial wears off, and more and more people realize what is really happening, we are going to witness the worst of humanity. It's just a matter of when. 

 
Doug B said:
Was kind of thinking that there'd be a point where everyone who intended to horde will have gotten the hoarding out of the way. At least around here, stores aren't closing (though restricted hours are thought to be coming for after-hours restocking). So at least for now, we should - locally - expect to be able to go to the store tomorrow and next Wednesday and next weekend, and so forth. I guess it's possible that retailers close en masse all over the place with no warning ... is that kind of event even on the horizon? That didn't even happen in Wuhan, did it?
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I don't think China is a good comparison for how the store situation will play out here.

 
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