*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (10 Viewers)

[moleculo]

anti-body test approved by FDA

RARITAN, N.J., April 3, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- Aligned with its mission to improve and save lives with diagnostics, Ortho Clinical Diagnostics today announced it is launching to market its SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19/coronavirus) antibody test—the VITROS® Immunodiagnostic Products Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Total Reagent Pack. Testing kits are expected to be available in a few weeks.

Ortho followed the guidelines established by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Policy for Diagnostic Tests for Coronavirus Disease-2019 during the Public Health Emergency.

...

Given the incredible demand for information to change the tide of this pandemic, Ortho felt it was necessary to market as quickly as possible with a notification to the FDA," said Smith. "We are working to make our antibody test kit available to the areas with the greatest need first and will be working in parallel to both increase our test kit production and follow additional regulatory pathways to secure further approvals."

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Our 10K thread currently sits at 843.  And that's after we had to start over because the first thread got too big (1,087 pages) and bogged down the board...

gmtan is at 1700.  the first iteration of it was 2500, if memory serves.  :teamotis:  

 

[The General]

Are you inspecting the bouquet before or after application?

Who uses it! Way too valuable.

 

[JAA]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IDXUlvPSYMc

lol - his other videos are :gold:

 

[JaxBill]

Just had to crack open my first 12 pack of TP from my cellar since the lockdown started.

Angel Soft Double Ply 2020 - a great vintage. Lean yet jammy. Light floral notes with hints of tobacco and shoe leather.

Important to let the pack breathe for a little before its first use.

 

[JaxBill]

Top German soccer league returning to training 

 

[beer 30]

anti-body test approved by FDA

Ortho Clinical Diagnostics

Not the fertilizer folks I hope 

 

[nirad3]

Not the fertilizer folks I hope 

Well shoot we're already drinking fish tank water, may as well chew on some manure mix.  

 

[Osaurus]

GM's thread is 1700 pages now.. and that doesn't include the 1st one. 

That hit 3k iirc

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Texas Monthly Interview with Dell Medical School's Dr. Tierney (in Austin)
 

I think the [recent White House] projection of 100,000 to 240,000 person mortalities is woefully underestimated. I hope I’m wrong about that, but we’d have to have so few people infected to hit that rate and we haven’t seen it yet.

The first thing I would do is I would have the National Guard delivering groceries. Close the grocery stores. I don’t care how much they wipe down stuff with people wearing masks, we’re exposed if we go there. That’s where people are getting infected now, in the grocery stores. The delivery companies are overwhelmed. Right now, if you sign up for grocery delivery, it’s a month away. I’m not criticizing anybody. What I’m saying is that the existing infrastructure can’t handle demand and they can’t ramp up fast enough, because we need it today.

 

[Morton Muffley]

lol - his other videos are :gold:

and those comments...wow!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

There does seem to be some curve flattening in places. Hopefully we get through the peaks of the next 10 day period and see the curve moving downward in May, allowing some restrictions to be lifted for June ....

 

[Doug B]

Texas Monthly Interview with Dell Medical School's Dr. Tierney (in Austin)

I think the [recent White House] projection of 100,000 to 240,000 person mortalities is woefully underestimated. I hope I’m wrong about that, but we’d have to have so few people infected to hit that rate and we haven’t seen it yet.

The first thing I would do is I would have the National Guard delivering groceries. Close the grocery stores. I don’t care how much they wipe down stuff with people wearing masks, we’re exposed if we go there. That’s where people are getting infected now, in the grocery stores. The delivery companies are overwhelmed. Right now, if you sign up for grocery delivery, it’s a month away. I’m not criticizing anybody. What I’m saying is that the existing infrastructure can’t handle demand and they can’t ramp up fast enough, because we need it today.

I wish I could wrap my head around this. Masked up, sanitizing hands every few minutes, avoiding people by better than six feet (more, really) at all times ... how was I supposed to catch COVID again? And this wasn't countenanced a week or two ago?

 

[Keerock]

There does seem to be some curve flattening in places. Hopefully we get through the peaks of the next 10 day period and see the curve moving downward in May, allowing some restrictions to be lifted for June ....

I do miss eating out.   Sure am loving WFH and the house has never been cleaner.  Talk to my parents and kids twice as much as I used to.  Dog loves the extra attention/company.

I'm sensitive to the fact that a lot of people are affected (mostly work wise), but I'm in no hurry... let's just get the lift right the first time.

 

[eoMMan]

Texas Monthly Interview with Dell Medical School's Dr. Tierney (in Austin)
 

Hard no. I don't want the government doing my grocery shopping. 

 

[moleculo]

What will be insteresting is just as we started locking things down at different times in different places, the curve will flatten at different times in different places and restrictions will be lifted at different times in different places.  The early adopters will open up before everyone else will, and the folks who have been stuck at home will get especially antsy to see other states opened up...that will make it even tougher to keep them locked down and will prolong the agony.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I wish I could wrap my head around this. Masked up, sanitizing hands every few minutes, avoiding people by better than six feet (more, really) at all times ... how was I supposed to catch COVID again? And this wasn't countenanced a week or two ago?

Tons of people arent wearing masks or doing the other things. 

Woman came right up alongside me in front of the pork chops. Not a care in the world. 

But it is unrealistic to close it for everybody. They should be closed for high risk though and have the national guard deliver to any that cant get it delivered by family or a service. That they could handle. 

I brought that up yesterday. 

 

[Doug B]

Hard no. I don't want the government doing my grocery shopping. 

I could deal with Guardsmen passing out basics (bread, eggs, milk, TP, etc.). Not sure how they'd deal with perishable stuff, though.

 

[Nipsey]

I wish I could wrap my head around this. Masked up, sanitizing hands every few minutes, avoiding people by better than six feet (more, really) at all times ... how was I supposed to catch COVID again? And this wasn't countenanced a week or two ago?

Most masks aren't foolproof. You can get it through your eyes too. I haven't been out in 11 days but when I was in the store I saw about 200 times when someone could have contracted the virus. You have grocery store workers not wearing masks. People still touching their faces. Doing everything I can not to get this but I'm pretty sure I eventually will.

 

[beer 30]

Most masks aren't foolproof. You can get it through your eyes too. I haven't been out in 11 days but when I was in the store I saw about 200 times when someone could have contracted the virus. You have grocery store workers not wearing masks. People still touching their faces. Doing everything I can not to get this but I'm pretty sure I eventually will.

I went to Home Depot yesterday, first time I've been out & about in about 2 weeks. I was impressed that they were limiting the number of folks in the store and the line to get in was spaced accordingly. About 1 in 2 or 3 people were wearing masks (myself included). Took about 15 min to get in. Once inside it was kinda nice without the hordes of people but to Nipsey's point, the staff was hit or miss with masks. When I left I noticed a pair of disposable gloves discarded in the parking lot and as I drove out noticed more along the way. People can be jacklegs about damn near anything.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

My wife was getting the mail yesterday and some lady jogging went right next to her breathing all heavy. 

 

[Doug B]

Most masks aren't foolproof. You can get it through your eyes too.

Cards on the table: though I've seen and read many studies about it ... I haven't yet been convinced of true airborne transmission, or catching it "on the wind", or through HVAC or anything like that. So anything I'm posting about the risk of grocery stores is filtered through that perspective.

In theory ... yes, I can get it through my eyes at the grocery. I'm struggling to see how short of either (a) someone getting way up in my face, or else (b) me rubbing my eyes after handling a recently "dirtied" fomite. IMHO, neither have happened in my trips out over the past few weeks.

...

The reason this on my mind now is that my wife has asked that I not go to the grocery for three weeks because "that's what the government is saying to do." That's great, but had I known that my last trip Saturday was going to be it for three weeks, I'd have made several different decisions. We'll survive on what we have, but it's gonna suck. I can go out and make maybe two 30 minute trips (different stores, both with little foot traffic) and be set comfortably for three weeks.

I have no fear of going grocery shopping. I am on my toes, my head is on a swivel, and I don't go in if the place looks even halfway busy. I've been able to work within those parameters these last three weeks -- what's different now?

 

[Morton Muffley]

Hard no. I don't want the government doing my grocery shopping. 

It's this kind of:

• normalcy bias
  
• lack of imagination
  
• stubbornness 
  
• narcissism
  
• machismo
  
• vanity
  

that put Boris Johnson in the ICU.  

We are trying to flatten the virus' curve, NOT your learning curve!

 

[Brony]

What will be insteresting is just as we started locking things down at different times in different places, the curve will flatten at different times in different places and restrictions will be lifted at different times in different places.  The early adopters will open up before everyone else will, and the folks who have been stuck at home will get especially antsy to see other states opened up...that will make it even tougher to keep them locked down and will prolong the agony.

Like Amity Island on the 4th of July. 

 

[Capella]

Texas Monthly Interview with Dell Medical School's Dr. Tierney (in Austin)
 

Grocery delivery is 4 days out here in the 12th largest market in the country. That interview seems a bit.....out there. 

 

[msommer]

How is this pronounced? "Oath"? "Zeroth"?

And how do you describe grades below 0? Are there -1st graders?

It's zeroth (In Danish "nulte klasse") and an intermediary step between kindergarten (age 3-6) and 1st (age 7ish), essentially the kids at age 6 sort of start the process of learning and not least to sit still and listen to what the teacher is trying to convey. 

 

[Capella]

How many people are in the guard anyways? Grocery shopping for 330 million people? Whole thing is lunacy. Nobody is taking this more serious than me but we have to keep our feet in reality too.

 

[Keerock]

My wife was getting the mail yesterday and some lady jogging went right next to her breathing all heavy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QxqV-L5clM

 

[Doug B]

How many people are in the guard anyways? Grocery shopping for 330 million people? Whole thing is lunacy. Nobody is taking this more serious than me but we have to keep our feet in reality too.

I mean, flippin' Wuhan didn't have the groceries closed. Sure, each household couldn't just go whenever they wanted ... but still.

 

[Kal El]

Like Amity Island on the 4th of July. 

Just when you thought it was safe to go out in public...

 

[Keerock]

Cards on the table: though I've seen and read many studies about it ... I haven't yet been convinced of true airborne transmission, or catching it "on the wind", or through HVAC or anything like that. So anything I'm posting about the risk of grocery stores is filtered through that perspective.

How do you think it's transferred then?

 

[AAABatteries]

Tons of people arent wearing masks or doing the other things. 

Woman came right up alongside me in front of the pork chops. Not a care in the world. 

But it is unrealistic to close it for everybody. They should be closed for high risk though and have the national guard deliver to any that cant get it delivered by family or a service. That they could handle. 

I brought that up yesterday. 

I had to beg my Mom to keep my Stepdad home this week and let us get groceries for her.  If he gets it it is probably a death sentence - 75, diabetes, sleep apnea, way overweight.  She’s going to let my son go get them for her and leave them on their porch.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I went to Home Depot yesterday, first time I've been out & about in about 2 weeks. I was impressed that they were limiting the number of folks in the store and the line to get in was spaced accordingly. About 1 in 2 or 3 people were wearing masks (myself included). Took about 15 min to get in. Once inside it was kinda nice without the hordes of people but to Nipsey's point, the staff was hit or miss with masks. When I left I noticed a pair of disposable gloves discarded in the parking lot and as I drove out noticed more along the way. People can be jacklegs about damn near anything.

Saw this same thing. Had tried to get groceries in the morning, but too crazy. So i went back at 8:30pm. Store was dead, which was nice. Except one nimrod with no boundaries.  Place is a little pricier, but well worth it to have almost nobody in the store. Three of four employees I saw had masks on. Only one that didnt was probably 17ish and looked pretty healthy. 

But the parking lot was loaded with gloves. Pissed me off. I didnt notice that when I was there in the morning so clearly was from just yesterday. 

 

[Uncle Ruslan]

I could deal with Guardsmen passing out basics (bread, eggs, milk, TP, etc.). Not sure how they'd deal with perishable stuff, though.

Hey, I've gotten a brick of cheese out of the back of a government truck before.  I'm sure they could set up something for the basics if we got to that point.

Gotta be careful though, or else you get a scene like Nino Brown passing out turkeys in New Jack City

 

[Courtjester]

How do you think it's transferred then?

See this where I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this and I believe when this sort of dies down, we will have the answers. I just don't see how this many people have gotten this thing just because they didn't wash their hands or they touched their face. For this to be the main way people are getting infected, then we need to believe it lives on surfaces longer than we are being told. You can't have that rate of infection without the other.

I believe there has to be something else for all these people becoming infected. It either is more airborne or something.I wish I had this answer because every time I step outside, I worry.

 

[skol asylum]

I mean, flippin' Wuhan didn't have the groceries closed. Sure, each household couldn't just go whenever they wanted ... but still.

I thought they were welded into their homes?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

See this where I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this and I believe when this sort of dies down, we will have the answers. I just don't see how this many people have gotten this thing just because they didn't wash their hands or they touched their face. For this to be the main way people are getting infected, then we need to believe it lives on surfaces longer than we are being told. You can't have that rate of infection without the other.

I believe there has to be something else for all these people becoming infected. It either is more airborne or something.I wish I had this answer because every time I step outside, I worry.

The flu spreads pretty wildly, and it's droplet, not airborne. I think we'll find that's the case with this corona virus, as well. But it's only an educated guess.

 

[skol asylum]

See this where I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this and I believe when this sort of dies down, we will have the answers. I just don't see how this many people have gotten this thing just because they didn't wash their hands or they touched their face. For this to be the main way people are getting infected, then we need to believe it lives on surfaces longer than we are being told. You can't have that rate of infection without the other.

I believe there has to be something else for all these people becoming infected. It either is more airborne or something.I wish I had this answer because every time I step outside, I worry.

I told me wife one day that for something to spread like this from one person in Wuhan to the entire world in just a few months shows what disgusting filthy creatures humans are. Wash your damn hands and stop touching your face.

 

[msommer]

How do you think it's transferred then?

See this where I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this and I believe when this sort of dies down, we will have the answers. I just don't see how this many people have gotten this thing just because they didn't wash their hands or they touched their face. For this to be the main way people are getting infected, then we need to believe it lives on surfaces longer than we are being told. You can't have that rate of infection without the other.

I believe there has to be something else for all these people becoming infected. It either is more airborne or something.I wish I had this answer because every time I step outside, I worry

IIRC, The CDC was quoted yday (either in this thread or in the one in the PF) as saying they knew of no cases where someone was infected by touching a contaminated surface. 
My guess is droplets in the air, not just breathing someone else's exhaust, but I don't know.
As for the anecdotes of "people doing everything right and getting infected anyway" - most people are horrible at selfreporting objectively

 

[Golf Guy 69]

I told me wife one day that for something to spread like this from one person in Wuhan to the entire world in just a few months shows what disgusting filthy creatures humans are. Wash your damn hands and stop touching your face.

Washing is the easy part.  Touching is hard.

 

[T J]

I told me wife one day that for something to spread like this from one person in Wuhan to the entire world in just a few months shows what disgusting filthy creatures humans are. Wash your damn hands and stop touching your face.

So humans are disgusting because we touch our faces? That’s bs. Totally normal. 

 

[msommer]

So humans are disgusting because we touch our faces? That’s bs. Totally normal. 

Cats and dogs are disgusting because they lick their ###es. Pigs because they root in the mud. It's something different for everyone  

 

[Morton Muffley]

Saw this same thing. Had tried to get groceries in the morning, but too crazy. So i went back at 8:30pm. Store was dead, which was nice. Except one nimrod with no boundaries.  Place is a little pricier, but well worth it to have almost nobody in the store. Three of four employees I saw had masks on. Only one that didnt was probably 17ish and looked pretty healthy. 

But the parking lot was loaded with gloves. Pissed me off. I didnt notice that when I was there in the morning so clearly was from just yesterday. 

Besides the rudeness, I don't even understand the process.  So, wearer used gloves to push potentially infected cart around...and pick potentially infected cheetos off the shelf.  Then after using infected gloves to remove and re-insert credit card from wallet, the user removes gloves in middle of parking lot...and then pushes potentially infected cart to car OR carries potentially infected grocery bag to car?  

Bold strategy Cotton...

 

[BassNBrew]

I told me wife one day that for something to spread like this from one person in Wuhan to the entire world in just a few months shows what disgusting filthy creatures humans are. Wash your damn hands and stop touching your face.

I guess she cut u off on the other filthy stuff?

 

[eoMMan]

It's this kind of:

• normalcy bias
  
• lack of imagination
  
• stubbornness 
  
• narcissism
  
• machismo
  
• vanity
  

that put Boris Johnson in the ICU.  

We are trying to flatten the virus' curve, NOT your learning curve!

Are you being sarcastic? Serious?

 

[the moops]

I told me wife one day that for something to spread like this from one person in Wuhan to the entire world in just a few months shows what disgusting filthy creatures humans are. Wash your damn hands and stop touching your face.

It is amazing to really think about it though. One person gets sick in the middle of China and a few months later every corner of the world is scrambling to try and prevent millions of deaths and the complete collapse of economies

 

[Terminalxylem]

I'm still dismayed over the politicization of cures and would-be cures. It should be science driving this and not tribalism.

There. Said my piece. 

Absolutely, but it’s difficult to do when anything with promise is immediately touted as a panacea. Then if you look at it with scientific skepticism, you’re accused of an agenda, or labelled Debbie downer.

Even in the medical community, these biases exist. I can name at least 10 different things being promoted with terrible scientific backing in various guidelines circulated from hospitals around the world.

 

[Morton Muffley]

What the heck is going on in France?  They've tested relatively few people (per 1M) and there daily case counts are all OVER the place.  Here are the last few days:

3/31: 7,578

4/1: 4,861

4/2: 2,116

4/3: 23,060

4/4: 7,788

4/5: 2,886

4/6: 5,171

I think Nate Silver was thinking about France when he wrote that (IMO misleading) headline about case counts being a meaningless stat.  Christ, trying to predict tomorrow's case count for France is like getting one of those LSAT "complete the series questions," after only being given half the data.

 

[nirad3]

Anyone have any luck purchasing hand sanitizer online? I know, I know, you can make your own.  Just helping out at my office, who furloughed the office manager lady today and she has been unable to find any online.

 

[shader]

Absolutely, but it’s difficult to do when anything with promise is immediately touted as a panacea. Then if you look at it with scientific skepticism, you’re accused of an agenda, or labelled Debbie downer.

Even in the medical community, these biases exist. I can name at least 10 different things being promoted with terrible scientific backing in various guidelines circulated from hospitals around the world.

Not to mention the fact that often when a drug is touted as a cure, the stock price is listed in the article.  Drives me crazy