*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (25 Viewers)

[Nick Vermeil]

Now you are being obtuse.

Very clear in my post.

I guess I disagree on “clear”. In your educated (based on your claims in your posts) opinion, should I wear a mask or not?  

 

[matuski]

I guess I disagree on “clear”. In your educated (based on your claims in your posts) opinion, should I wear a mask or not?  

You should definitely wear a mask.

I do.

We have to.

eta - I assume we are all under the same rules.  If your county is not requiring it, and you aren't sympomatic (coughing etc)... I wouldn't.

 

[jobarules]

I haven’t seen positive news trashed in this thread.  Assuming it’s accurate, it’s welcomed by everyone.

A bit annoyed.  TN reported 119 new cases today.  We were so freaking close....

Lmao you are even trashing your OWN positive news. 

 

[bosoxs45]

Who would you guys pick between @shuke and @General Malaise to be stuck in quarantine 

 

[huthut]

At the end of the day, anyone that feels like a mask makes them safer should wear one.  Gloves too.  And dang yes, stay in your bunker except to peek out and get some groceries once a week.  We're not stopping you from being extra safe.  But please allow the rest of us get out there and do something.  If you're right and we're wrong, we'll be the only ones suffering and you all will be cozy and safe.  The science is becoming clearer everyday that this is way overblown and comes nowhere near worth shutting the planet down for.

The virus is real.  It's a MFer too.  But those of us who don't have underlying conditions and aren't geezers should be able to get out and freaking live life.  

I am not sure the model of "whatever your own personal risk tolerance is" works as well for things that are contagious since people engaging in risky behavior can still cause harm to people who are being as safe as possible. It seems like it is more similar to drunk driving or smoking indoors, compared with a normal "personal freedom" type argument where you can eat a 40z steak daily against your doctors orders and not really harm anyone but yourself (outside of whoever needs to share a bathroom). 

 

[parasaurolophus]

isn't rocket science, but not doing it right simply creates another surface to be contaminated.  **A surface you are strapping to your face.**

If the mask gets the virus on it, where would the virus have ended up if you didnt have the mask on? 

 

[Grahamburn]

I think even if the masks don’t do a whole lot they still have value as a constant reminder of what’s going on.  If everything seems normal people will act normal.

I was just reading through the thread and so many posters are acting like a mask is some kind of all encompassing virus annihilator.  They most certainly aren't.  Especially for the healthy general public.

Anyway.  I'll keep wearing mine when I go out so I don't get hauled in for manslaughter. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Who would you guys pick between @shuke and @General Malaise to be stuck in quarantine 

Kids too? 

I need to know for food storage. 

 

[CurlyNight]

Is your moral compass based on legal vs. not legal?  What about just doing the right thing?  What about thinking about and respecting others?

Exibit A of what I've been meaning in my recent posts. Acting like a baby, I'm not going out then- or irresponsible, I don't care if I may infect someone who could wind up in ICU or worse.

 

[shader]

Lmao you are even trashing your OWN positive news. 

That’s a good zing. You got me.  But nothing in TN is positive right now. 

 

[Sand]

New mutant virus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/05/the-coronavirus-mutated-and-appears-to-be-more-contagious-now-new-study-finds.html

This thing was already quite contagious.  The question is whether it has become less lethal in the process - that happens often, so let's hope it starts mutating into the common cold.

 

[CurlyNight]

I agree with this 100%, there are likely far more cases than officially confirmed cases.

That being said if there are actually more cases than we realize why are our local hospitals ghosts towns?  

Probably because people who don't need the ER are being told to stay home. Chris Cuomo is a good example. Bad case but could go through the month long ugly recovery at home. The ER is not the first place you think of unless you think your symptoms are life threatening. With cv people tend not to go unless one symptom is trouble breathing. If I develop any other symptom I'll call my pcp. Then I get tested. First choice for any health issue is home recovery or the shortest stay possible. 

 

[tri-man 47]

Covid worldometers moves away from the weekend and, unfortunately, back to the same trends as before: 81,000 new cases and 5,800 reported deaths. The U.S. climbs over 72,000 deaths (2,350 new).  Russia again over 10,000 new cases; Brazil still with several thousand new cases.  A 10% increase in Honduras; a 15% increase in Sudan.  Overall, 16 countries reporting 1,000 or more new cases (as a benchmark for future reference).

 

[jobarules]

That’s a good zing. You got me.  But nothing in TN is positive right now. 

If 4 days in a row of decreases 9 days after opening isn't positive news you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate things Debbie Downer. Did you expect them to hit 0 cases? Even then you'd find a way to spin that poorly. You've literally done that throughout the thread. Dozens have said so and yet you still can't see it. 

 

[JAA]

At the end of the day, anyone that feels like a mask makes them safer should wear one.  Gloves too.  And dang yes, stay in your bunker except to peek out and get some groceries once a week.  We're not stopping you from being extra safe.  But please allow the rest of us get out there and do something.  If you're right and we're wrong, we'll be the only ones suffering and you all will be cozy and safe.  The science is becoming clearer everyday that this is way overblown and comes nowhere near worth shutting the planet down for.

The virus is real.  It's a MFer too.  But those of us who don't have underlying conditions and aren't geezers should be able to get out and freaking live life.  

Your view is incredibly myopic and self-serving. I hope you never learn that you were an asymptomatic patient-0 in peoples deaths.  Best wishes. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

If 4 days in a row of decreases 9 days after opening isn't positive news you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate things Debbie Downer. Did you expect them to hit 0 cases? Even then you'd find a way to spin that poorly. You've literally done that throughout the thread. Dozens have said so and yet you still can't see it. 

Oh great. Zero cases today. Man we are primed for the second wave to devastate us now. 

 

[CurlyNight]

I don't understand the obsession with the masks.  Granted, I'm wearing one right now, and so is the rest of my staff.  It almost feels like an arbitrary measure to make others feel secure or "safe" though.  I'm not sick.  If I'm infected but asymptomatic then I'm also not sneezing or coughing.  Is a mask really stopping me from spreading this virus if I'm asymptomatic?  I'm touching everything in my office.  It seems social distancing and hand hygiene are much more viable weapons against covid. 

I imagine everyone in New York is wearing them, but some rural county with 5 cases and limited population density though?  What's the point?  It's like some kind of holier than thou observation of the mask wearers to point out the people who aren't.  If you're that terrified of the non-mask wearers at the grocery or hardware store you shouldn't be going in there in the first place.  Have your groceries and mulch delivered. 

There are plenty of arguments out there that wearing one could even make things worse due to the amount of times you touch your face throughout the day adjusting the damn thing.

Anyway, carry on demeaning the people who don't care about other's lives.

The thing is if you happen to cough or sneeze, are you sure you are not asymptomatic? People cough and sneeze all the time out of the blue. Covid? Not covid? You can't be sure, so protect others. It's not about you with the masks us non healthcare workers wear, the n95, but about possibly infecting others should you have it. Simple.

 

[bcat01]

The best reason not to wear a mask.  

"This is the greatest nation on earth founded on Judeo-Christian Principles. One of those principles is that we are all created in the image and likeness of God. That image is seen the most by our face. I will not wear a mask."

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/ohio-masks-likeness-of-god-nino-vitale-034550144.html

 

[Tolstoy]

I was just reading through the thread and so many posters are acting like a mask is some kind of all encompassing virus annihilator.  They most certainly aren't.  Especially for the healthy general public.

Anyway.  I'll keep wearing mine when I go out so I don't get hauled in for manslaughter. 

hyperbole always helps

 

[TheWinz]

Masks - Yes or No?  As @matuski pointed out, what if you did everything wrong wearing it?  Would it help/hurt your chances of contracting COVID?  Would it help/hurt your chances of spreading COVID?  Certainly worth knowing BOTH answers.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Learned today that we have a 2000 case backlog in our 30 room OR. Before this we typically did 80-100 cases a day. We had been doing 20-30 but have recently ticked up to 50-60. They are going to start incorporating these backlogged cases into the schedule. Semi urgent first then elective. Gonna be a long summer, ugh. 

 

[rascal]

The best reason not to wear a mask.  

"This is the greatest nation on earth founded on Judeo-Christian Principles. One of those principles is that we are all created in the image and likeness of God. That image is seen the most by our face. I will not wear a mask."

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/ohio-masks-likeness-of-god-nino-vitale-034550144.html

I guess sunglasses and hats are out.  Hell, clothes too.

 

[matuski]

Your view is incredibly myopic and self-serving. I hope you never learn that you were an asymptomatic patient-0 in peoples deaths.  Best wishes. 

These passive aggressive posts are awesome.

 

[matuski]

Learned today that we have a 2000 case backlog in our 30 room OR. Before this we typically did 80-100 cases a day. We had been doing 20-30 but have recently ticked up to 50-60. They are going to start incorporating these backlogged cases into the schedule. Semi urgent first then elective. Gonna be a long summer, ugh. 

My hospitals are all (most) in plans to add surgery hours (lengthen days) and add days (weekends).

 

[matuski]

hyperbole always helps

Without hyperbolic fear this thread is 10 pages.

 

[beer 30]

Can you link the "clear" science that says the untrained public is better off with masks?  All PPE science that I am aware of relies on said PPE being used properly.  The reason I have to retrain on it every year.

So instead of being so damn positive all the time, how about you you share some knowledge with the uniformed masses and maybe help some of these people trying to make a difference and tell them how to properly put on, use and remove PPE? I’ve been through OSHA 40 hour training with some 8 hour refreshers so I feel like I’m good but there’s plenty that don’t have your knowledge so please, feel free.

 

[beer 30]

Double post

 

[fruity pebbles]

My hospitals are all in plans to add surgery hours (lengthen days) and add days (weekends).

We haven’t gone there yet but we have a nursing shortage as is. Before this started we have the staff to comfortably do 60-70 cases a day and we had been doing 90-100. Not sure how much more they can push. 

 

[matuski]

We haven’t gone there yet but we have a nursing shortage as is. Before this started we have the staff to comfortably do 60-70 cases a day and we had been doing 90-100. Not sure how much more they can push. 

Yea it is going to be interesting. 

My cynical side is watching the "surge" happen now because the covid surge never came.  You guys are going to be pushed to the brink.  

If you were in Texas I'd bring you some donuts or something. 

 

[matuski]

So instead of being so damn positive all the time, how about you you sure some knowledge with the uniformed masses and maybe help some of these people trying make a difference and tell them how to properly put on, use and remove PPE? I’ve been through OSHA 40 hour training with some 8 hour refreshers so I feel like I’m good but there’s plenty that don’t have your knowledge so please, feel free.

You want me to solve 100's of millions of people wearing masks wrong on a fantasy football message board?  Man you give me too much credit.

Like I said it isn't rocket science.  Wash your hands before you put it on.  It should cover your nose and mouth (crease it over nose).  Use the strings to put it on, take it off.  Yes, it gets hot.. don't take it off.  Yes, it is harder for people to hear you talking, don't take it off.  Don't touch your phone to it.  Dont scratch your nose through it.  Don't scratch your nose under it.  Don't wear it for too long (if your breath makes it wet, change it).  Don't wear the same mask everyday, everywhere.  Wash your reusable masks your neighbor made that might not be worth a damn in the first place.  Don't leave your mask in the car seat.  Don't keep your mask in your purse.  Wash your hands when you take it off.

I mean I don't even know where to start.  You go to a grocery store today, it is laughable.

We are trained to wear PPE in a very controlled environment (OR).. and it STILL fails on occasion (often due to human error).  Asking Jon Doe to wear a mask all day in the office, in the grocery store, at the park...... Yeah, no.

eta - I DO buy it as a reminder.. someone above mentioned that.  So it has some value to simply make people more mindful. It has value IF you do it right (you probably don't).

 

[parasaurolophus]

So instead of being so damn positive all the time, how about you you share some knowledge with the uniformed masses and maybe help some of these people trying to make a difference and tell them how to properly put on, use and remove PPE? I’ve been through OSHA 40 hour training with some 8 hour refreshers so I feel like I’m good but there’s plenty that don’t have your knowledge so please, feel free.

Proper N95 mask use is a piece of cake. Just pretend there is poop in the front of it and after you put it on, fart. If you cant smell the fart, it is properly fitted.

 

[matuski]

Proper N95 mask use is a piece of cake. Just pretend there is poop in the front of it and after you put it on, fart. If you cant smell the fart, it is properly fitted.

Then you try to wipe the poop off your face and you failed.  And then you grab the cart.  Then you grab your phone.  Your nose itches again.  Your done, throw it in shotgun/purse.  Go to the next store and do it again.

Also the public is not being asked to wear n95.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I just don’t get these arguments, as they are so location specific. If I lived in a large metro center where I cannot social distance then of course I’ll wear a mask. If I live where I live - a Canadian province the size of ND, SD and MN combined, with only 260 cases, most of which have already recovered and social distancing is the norm - why would I wear one. It isn’t mandatory nor is it even being recommended for common use. I have only left the house three times in the last 6 weeks and I would peg the mask wearers as less than 10% and I do not think anyone looks down at those wearing them or those not wearing them.

I don’t think talking down to those that may be living with completely different circumstances, does anything to add value.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Then you try to wipe the poop off your face and you failed.  And then you grab the cart.  Then you grab your phone.  Your nose itches again.  Your done, throw it in shotgun/purse.  Go to the next store and do it again.

Also the public is not being asked to wear n95.

Why would you wipe poop off with your bare hand ya weirdo? 

 

[matuski]

I just don’t get these arguments, as they are so location specific. If I lived in a large metro center where I cannot social distance then of course I’ll wear a mask. If I live where I live - a Canadian province the size of ND, SD and MN combined, with only 260 cases, most of which have already recovered and social distancing is the norm - why would I wear one. It isn’t mandatory nor is it even being recommended for common use. I have only left the house three times in the last 6 weeks and I would peg the mask wearers as less than 10% and I do not think anyone looks down at those wearing them or those not wearing them.

I don’t think talking down to those that may be living with completely different circumstances, does anything to add value.

Is it not mandatory everywhere?

Also - arguing efficacy is different than arguing whether your follow the rules or not.

 

[matuski]

Why would you wipe poop off with your bare hand ya weirdo? 

No way, but thank you for acknowledging that you would totally wipe it off.

It doesn't make you a bad person for wearing masks wrong.. that isn't the point.  The point is you are most likely indeed doing it wrong.  Which then begs a question....

 

[parasaurolophus]

No way... but thank you for acknowledging that you would indeed wipe it off.

It doesn't make you a bad person for wearing masks wrong.. that isn't the point.  The point is you are most likely indeed doing it wrong.

I know some things can be hard in life. #1 it was a joke. #2 the point is that nobody wants to touch poop except apparently, you.

 

[VT700GUY]

Went out to eat tonight.  Counted 25 people including employees.  Zero masks.

Rode my bike at the local park after eating.  Saw around 30 people.  Zero masks.

Rode around some neighborhoods, saw countless people driving, walking, biking etc.  One mask, oddly enough it was a guy working in his yard with one other person alongside him.

 

[matuski]

I know some things can be hard in life. #1 it was a joke. #2 the point is that nobody wants to touch poop except apparently, you.

You would leave poop on your mask?

 

[TheWinz]

Again, I ask the "experts" in here - If I wear a mask wrong, will it help or hurt me spreading the virus, if I were positive?

 

[matuski]

Went out to eat tonight.  Counted 25 people including employees.  Zero masks.

Rode my bike at the local park after eating.  Saw around 30 people.  Zero masks.

Rode around some neighborhoods, saw countless people driving, walking, biking etc.  One mask, oddly enough it was a guy working in his yard with one other person alongside him.

Restaurants are open here too (TX).  We wore our masks in to be seated then removed them when we sat, servers wore masks.

 

[matuski]

Again, I ask the "experts" in here - If I wear a mask wrong, will it help or hurt me spreading the virus, if I were positive?

If you are wearing your mask wrong, you are defeating (to varying degrees) the purpose of wearing the mask in the first place.

If you are actively coughing (symptomatic).. damn straight a mask helps.  In this scenario.. please don't bother wearing a mask.  Just stay home or go to the doctor/ER.

Otherwise - If you dont wash your hands, put your mask on, talk on the phone, take your mask off with same unwashed hands, throw your mask in the seat/purse, put the same mask on the next day?  I don't know how much you are hurting, but you sure as heck aren't helping.

 

[matuski]

And therein is a huge hint.. who is washing their hands BEFORE putting the mask on?

You are?  Liar.

 

[Tolstoy]

nearly a fifth of Wendy’s were sold out on hamburgers today

Krogers limiting beef and pork sales

 

[Atomic Punk]

Is it not mandatory everywhere?

Also - arguing efficacy is different than arguing whether your follow the rules or not.

There is currently no mandatory, or even recommended, use of masks in Canada according to the national website.

Im not commenting on the efficacy of masks but rather the attempt by some, including many on the last few pages, to belittle others that aren’t wearing them, even though they have no idea of that persons particular location/situation. 

 

[TheWinz]

If you are wearing your mask wrong, you are defeating (to varying degrees) the purpose of wearing the mask in the first place.

If you are actively coughing (symptomatic).. damn straight a mask helps.  In this scenario.. please don't bother wearing a mask.  Just stay home or go to the doctor/ER.

Otherwise - If you dont wash your hands, put your mask on, talk on the phone, take your mask off with same unwashed hands, throw your mask in the seat/purse, put the same mask on the next day?  I don't know how much you are hurting, but you sure as heck aren't helping.

So, are you saying a person is doing more good by wearing a mask, even if wrong, whether they know they are positive or not (which, by the way, most that have it have no idea, because they haven't been tested)?

 

[matuski]

So, are you saying a person is doing more good by wearing a mask, even if wrong, whether they know they are positive or not (which, by the way, most that have it have no idea, because they haven't been tested)?

If you are symptomatic, you are doing more good wearing a mask.  I would argue you are doing a larger wrong by being out at all.. but for the sake of this talk.

If you are not symptomatic, wearing a mask wrong.. as wrong as most people I am seeing now daily?  You are not doing much if any good.  

If you just nail wearing your PPE in a public space (very hard to do), you are accomplishing something.

 

[parasaurolophus]

You would leave poop on your mask?

It would be the safe thing to do until you could properly remove the mask and not get poop on my hands or face. 

Even when I saw a kid at the zoo and a camel whacked poop on him with his tail his first instinct wasnt to grab the poop on his shirt with his bare hand and start smearing it all over. That's just super weird. 

 

[matuski]

It would be the safe thing to do until you could properly remove the mask and not get poop on my hands or face. 

Even when I saw a kid at the zoo and a camel whacked poop on him with his tail his first instinct wasnt to grab the poop on his shirt with his bare hand and start smearing it all over. That's just super weird. 

OK.  You have officially lost me here.

Poop on your face/mask was the hypothetical test.  You don't seem to disagree that you would remove the poop from your face.. thus defeating the exercise.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Went to three places today and I think mask usage (in the Tampa area) is actually on the decline. Last week it seemed like 90% of the people in Target had a mask. Today it seemed like about 50% and even lower at the other two places. Of course this is anecdotal but it was a visible difference.