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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (20 Viewers)

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Assuming you have antibodies for this and assuming that that means you are immune from contracting it again. Can you still be a carrier of this? Like could you infect somebody else?

I ask these questions as an idiot who knows nothing about viruses. Perhaps that is obvious

 
So this vaccine test that produced binding antibodies... is it cause for celebration?  Cautious optimism?  Another grifter's gonna grift moment?  How do you read the Moderna news today?
I'm not in the business of vaccine immunology or development, so it's hard to say. In general, I think cautious optimism is good policy.

 
Assuming you have antibodies for this and assuming that that means you are immune from contracting it again. Can you still be a carrier of this? Like could you infect somebody else?

I ask these questions as an idiot who knows nothing about viruses. Perhaps that is obvious
IF the antibody test is accurate AND your immune response is adequate, you shouldn't be contagious long after antibodies are produced. There may be a small overlap in contagion as antibody production is ramped up, so it's probably wise to wait a bit after the positive result before assuming you can't infect others. 

Historically, antibody tests have been paired to show changes in titers over time, typically with retesting occurring in 4-6 weeks. Nobody has advocated that with C-19, TMK.

As far as we know, there is no chronic carrier state for SARS-CoV-2.

 
E mail from work cancelling our meeting which was supposed to be on Wednesday. No mention of if we are still opening on June 1st.
Ugh, hopefully it’s not because they got word of a spike coming. Pretty much everything in AZ has been given the green light to open, so it must be something internal.

 
Terminalxylem said:
There weren't any death threats. And unless he had stored blood from Jan/Feb, he has no idea when he contracted C-19. And the first approved tests weren't very good.

I think I understand why people want to be antibody tested, but can you explain how you might alter your behavior based on the results?
I’m curious and probably could get tested but haven’t because I don’t think it change my behavior one bit. Of course I’ve been more cautious with my state opening up, so I’m probably not the best example of the general public.

 
Mr.Pack said:
I have a friend who's top level management at a Life Ins company. He is in Phase 4 of their returning to work policy..... He returns to his office April 2021 :eek: .

Until then he'll be working from home.
Northwestern mutual? 

 
Covid worldometers at 89,000 new cases; 3,400 deaths today.  14K more reported cases today in Brazil. 

India moves above 100,000 total reported cases, and Peru joins them in a few days, though Peru's cases and deaths per million are tremendously larger than India's.  India and Bangladesh also have a major cyclone headed their way.  Ugh.

 
Morton Muffley said:
Thanks.  You are right.  I was definitely inferring that his post-infection FB posting was due to the fact that he didn't simply keep his strong opinions to himself, but instead shared them with others.  I still think it's a fair assumption that someone who is 1) on FB and 2) previously thought of Covid as a "fake crisis" and 3) after contracting felt the need to do a mea culpa about how wrong he was about Covid was likely doing it as mea culpa and not simply to help others see the light.  But you are definitely correct that is WAS an assumption and therefore may have been a poor one on my part.  Reagardless, he wasn't really the subject on my post, I was.  I was simply trying to express my inner conflict, however poorly founded.  That conflict was never really about him, but rather what he represents and my disappointment in myself for feeling the way I feel about those who act as such.  Anyway, the moment has passed and maybe tomorrow I will manage to do better: to be more charitable.  Thanks   
Fair enough GB...I didn't mean to come over the top. I know you were just making a point, and if you can't do that on an anonymous msg board, where can you do it?

I actually think your original post prompts an interesting question which is hard to answer. How far can one go questioning the prevailing narrative before one becomes irresponsible? I don't mean you, I mean this guy the article is about. It's entirely possible he was spewing dangerous rhetoric, we'll never know (and it doesn't matter). There's no right answer, and I'm sure I've crossed the line a time or two. 

 
shader said:
Yeah I feel the same. In my opinion we aren’t seeing major increases for the same reason that herd immunity works.  A huge swath of the population isn’t putting themselves in harms way.  

But as time goes on, more and more will.  People will get bolder.  They will open up more.  They will stop wearing masks. They will congregate more.  They will take vacations. Slowly that R0 will creep up until it’s rising quickly again.
Ya, and? Stay shut down forever? Nah. 

 
New IHME model out, overall deaths down from last update.  Not sure what they are thinking for their Arizona prediction.  Doubled from the last update, and still shows it increasing in August (starts ramping up in mid June).  Not sure how that jives with the transmissibility of the virus going down as temps go up but whatever.

 
I don't think temperature has much to do with this. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan etc all increasing day over day
Read somewhere where the transmissibility is supposed to go down 1.7% for every degree over 77.  No idea If that’s accurate or not.  Might not be a lot for other areas of the country, but summer in zona could lower it by 50% if accurate.

Study

 
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So articles and pictures about beaches in Florida were everywhere

But this so far not so much

Wonder why? 
No idea what you're saying, especially when you link to a story in a major newspaper while claiming there are no stories.
This is a great example of low effort disingenuous posting by BeTheMatch.

Somehow he fabricated that I claimed there were no stories when I quite obviously used very different phrasing.

 
Then good news, we won't have to worry about a resurgence in the fall/winter for the virus. 
Speaking more to the heat aspect of it as Qatar has been between 95-106 degrees the past 15 days and it isn't slowing down there. Same with Saudi Arabia who's last 7 day high temps were 106, 104, 104, 99, 100, 99, 99

 
Assuming you have antibodies for this and assuming that that means you are immune from contracting it again. Can you still be a carrier of this? Like could you infect somebody else?

I ask these questions as an idiot who knows nothing about viruses. Perhaps that is obvious
There is still a very grey area around antibody testing being reliable. Tread lightly. 

 
Speaking more to the heat aspect of it as Qatar has been between 95-106 degrees the past 15 days and it isn't slowing down there. Same with Saudi Arabia who's last 7 day high temps were 106, 104, 104, 99, 100, 99, 99
I'm not disputing that. Nor do I know at all what testing or social distancing looks like. But again, if weather has no impact at all, then we don't have to worry about the virus itself getting worse. Now that would go against what many docs like Fauci say. I'm not sure who is right. But either things get better in warmer weather, of course aided by people being able to get outside and social distance, in which case, we should take advantage of the opportunity. Or the warmer weather doesn't help at all, in which case, we'll perfect the social distancing so we don't see an uptick in the fall. 

 
New IHME model out, overall deaths down from last update.  Not sure what they are thinking for their Arizona prediction.  Doubled from the last update, and still shows it increasing in August (starts ramping up in mid June).  Not sure how that jives with the transmissibility of the virus going down as temps go up but whatever.
In looking at the data more, looks like they predict the ICU beds to exceed capacity which is where things go off the rails (in terms of deaths).  I would imagine if things get to that point they would find a way to expand ICU capacity somehow.

 
I'm not disputing that. Nor do I know at all what testing or social distancing looks like. But again, if weather has no impact at all, then we don't have to worry about the virus itself getting worse. Now that would go against what many docs like Fauci say. I'm not sure who is right. But either things get better in warmer weather, of course aided by people being able to get outside and social distance, in which case, we should take advantage of the opportunity. Or the warmer weather doesn't help at all, in which case, we'll perfect the social distancing so we don't see an uptick in the fall. 
Nobody said warmer weather has no impact; rather, the impact appears small.

And a viral resurgence will likely have nothing to do with the virus "getting worse" - people's behavior will probably play a much bigger role. We've reigned it in many places purely because human interaction has been greatly restricted. Anything we do which increases contact with other people will increase the risk of infection. And cooler, inclement weather generally keeps people indoors, where infections tend to spread more readily. Finally, lack of sun exposure may decrease vitamin D levels, compounding one's risk of infection.

Then again, maybe the virus will mutate, and we'll have to deal with the infection being worse as well.

As far as perfecting social distancing, I think it's far more likely we become complacent, or resistant to any restrictions placed on "normal" behavior.

 
Man we have so few cases and deaths here in Ventura County compared to every other county in So Cal. They have to be opening us up soon. Looks like first week of June I’m now seeing on the news. If contact tracing is good to go all other requirements are there. Need a haircut. Could use a massage big time but that’s gonna be longer  

 
Man we have so few cases and deaths here in Ventura County compared to every other county in So Cal. They have to be opening us up soon. Looks like first week of June I’m now seeing on the news. If contact tracing is good to go all other requirements are there. Need a haircut. Could use a massage big time but that’s gonna be longer  
Please Gavin, please. 

 
Speaking more to the heat aspect of it as Qatar has been between 95-106 degrees the past 15 days and it isn't slowing down there. Same with Saudi Arabia who's last 7 day high temps were 106, 104, 104, 99, 100, 99, 99
If you're indoors with air conditioning, it's 70 degrees and dry.

 
No problem as long as you stopt using sweeping generalizations to negate discourse 
Just make your argument if you want to make an argument.  Rhetorical questions are disrespectful.  You have consistently been disrespectful to people in this thread.  And me saying, "If you're indoors with air conditioning, it's 70 degrees and dry" is not a sweeping generalization that negates discourse.  

 
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Just make your argument if you want to make an argument.  Rhetorical questions are disrespectful.  You have consistently been disrespectful to people in this thread.  And me saying, "If you're indoors with air conditioning, it's 70 degrees and dry" is not a sweeping generalization that negates discourse.  
It wasn't a rhetorical question. It was an argument to negate your implication that we should disconsider the evidence from warm countries vis a vis spread of the Covid-19 in hot climates because of aircondition (which anyway doesn't seem that strong considering airconditioning is used in hot areas in the US as well).

 
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