I noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days. What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days? If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.Southeast beginning a long and slow descent into one big hot zone
Page 2:I noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days. What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days? If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.
There are going to be many states/cities that will juggle these same scenarios. Not sure moving is necessarily the answer.jobarules said:It sounds like momentum is growing for NYC schools to have a hybrid remote learning plan with kids mixing in class learning and remote learning.
Kill me now. How do working parents like us do that? Time to move.
There is also the "it is too damn hot and humid to be outside" weather phenomenon coming soon to a large portion of the country.NC set a new daily record with 1846 cases yesterday. I was in a Lowes yesterday and 2 people out of 75 (excluding staff) were wearing a mask. Make that 3 as I forgot to count myself. Mask usage has been on a downward decline since we moved to stage two. This is why we can't have nice things. On top of this, it's ben hot and humid. Maybe the weather doesn't matter, but my guy says if it were December that we'd be in serious trouble.
I tried this. Way better than my netipotSinugator Been using this every other day or so (or any day Im outside a lot in the high pollen seasons).
I hate that they changed it the last few years to not give as high pressure of a spray...they dialed it back some. Still helps. I have bad pollen allergies and have had 3 surgeries to remove polyps from my left sinuses. This plus the steroid sprays every few days are a must (especially now with a nasal cpap mask...have to keep that crap clear).
I’ve posted links to the tests in Florida many times. Feel free to look it upI noticed the link posted by @SoBeDad showed Florida with a total of 16,105 positives over the last 11 days. What is annoying is with so many specific numbers and percentages in the article, why leave out the most important one if you are listing positives - tests performed over the same 11 days? If this guy has access to all those numbers he quoted, he surely had access to tests performed.
Thanx for the number. Yes, 7.2% is not promising.Florida positivity rate for today was 7.2%. 36k tests. That’s higher than you’d like it to be, for sure.
This isn’t happening fast, like before, but it’s happening.
If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.So many states starting to set new highs in both confirmed cases and hospitalizations. I wish we could find a common link to figure out why those particular states are having a surge. There's got to be something...
Highly doubtful. Things would have to get really bad for that to happen.Things are gonna get shut down again in many parts of the country in the next couple weeks.
It is in certain parts of the country and we haven’t even hit the protesting crowds yetHighly doubtful. Things would have to get really bad for that to happen.
No way people are gonna stand for that.Things are gonna get shut down again in many parts of the country in the next couple weeks.
It’s not the protesting yet, that’s another week away until that really ramps up. It’s a lot of the states that opened things up more than others in mid May.If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.
Hospitals get overrun and they’ll have no choice. We’re near capacity already and we’re not even a hard hit state. ICUs are usually busy already in the summer months with all of the traumas.No way people are gonna stand for that.
No, that's not it. Though I am really hoping there aren't an increase from those either.If you are referring to the recent protests, I'm sure that they are having a negative impact but I don't think there's a lot of evidence showing a consistent correlation. For reference, here is a map of all the demonstrations throughout the country. The map does not show the size of each protest, so it's difficult to gauge the impact on a state-by-state basis. But, for example, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and Illinois have all seen a large number of protests, yet none of them have seen a spike in cases. Meanwhile, South Carolina, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma have seen relatively fewer protests, yet their case numbers are trending upward.
Its great..the newer version annoyed me as it is not as powerful. Ive gone through a couple as the thing that goes into the top that fits against your nose...the plastic on it has been cheap and has broken off into the machine part. I may try and find a way to get it out of the old one and hope all the new parts fit it right and go back to a little more power.I tried this. Way better than my netipot
The majority will do what they did last time and act in the best interest of their communities.No way people are gonna stand for that.
Yep, it’s 100% going to happen.Hospitals get overrun and they’ll have no choice. We’re near capacity already and we’re not even a hard hit state. ICUs are usually busy already in the summer months with all of the traumas.
Great site. Every state should have oneThe lady in Florida that was fired started her own tracking site. <1,600 ICU beds available.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/
It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.Things are gonna get shut down again in many parts of the country in the next couple weeks.
Self quarantine after exposure is very important. This seems to be the easiest step we can take. If we can’t take the simple steps then a major shutdown is more likely to occur.So, what should be the protocol for informing your friends and associates about being exposed to the coronavirus?
Last night I played 9 holes of golf with some friends. Usually, we all wear masks in the pro shop, but we take them off when we're on the course. (None of us ride in a cart, and we never get within 6 feet of each other.)
But yesterday I noticed that one member of the group was wearing his mask all the time. At first I assumed that he had simply forgotten that it was there, but then I noticed that he readjusted the fit on multiple occasions.
So, on the 4th hole I asked him why he was still wearing his mask.
His response: "Oh. Well, um....I've been going to the casino a lot lately....and I just found out that one of the employees tested positive for the coronavirus....and I may have been exposed...."
Gee, buddy, do ya think that MAYBE the rest of us would have found that information to be USEFUL??
He acted like it was no big deal, but I said that if he really thought it was no big deal, then he would have mentioned it before the round.
I’m not saying the entire country again but you can be assured some hotspots are going to shut down again when hospitals hit capacity in those areas. Some areas are going to need a reset and act a lot more responsibly when their numbers come back down.It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.
We also don't need the tools on CNN vs Fox News going at each other non-stop, each bringing in their respective clown cars of non-elected, so-called experts that seem to have influence over policy making. Just expect there will be no vaccine in the near future and plan to protect high risk groups accordingly. For everyone else, wear a mask and take the necessary precautions. We all know its bad but the world isn't going to end, at least not from covid. And just turn off the news and social media for at least a day and look around and see that we still live in a world with amazing potential.
Yes agree if hospitals hit capacity because that's really the only number that matters. But that doesn't need to happen with a more targeted and data driven approach.I’m not saying the entire country again but you can be assured some hotspots are going to shut down again when hospitals hit capacity in those areas. Some areas are going to need a reset and act a lot more responsibly when their numbers come back down.
It's hot in AZ and our cases are rising. Heat doesn't appear to help against the virus, but you make a good point too. Driving people indoors to worse environments for transmission.There is also the "it is too damn hot and humid to be outside" weather phenomenon coming soon to a large portion of the country.
Tell all this to the family in AZ I just linked a story too. As much as many would like, this isn't something you just can close your eyes, plug your ears, and go lalalala and ignore.It won't happen again. Regardless of the politics, the fact that a significant percentage of the cases are asymtomatic or non-clinical (which some of us here were saying would be the case since March) means that the politicians and medical experts are going to be forced to take a much more targeted approach. I still feel the shutdowns were the right thing to do at the time but we have much more data now. Use that data to drive more effective outcomes.
We also don't need the tools on CNN vs Fox News going at each other non-stop, each bringing in their respective clown cars of non-elected, so-called experts that seem to have influence over policy making. Just expect there will be no vaccine in the near future and plan to protect high risk groups accordingly. For everyone else, wear a mask and take the necessary precautions. We all know its bad but the world isn't going to end, at least not from covid. And just turn off the news and social media for at least a day and look around and see that we still live in a world with amazing potential.
Agreed. Had to stop at Bass Pro Shops in Tampa today and maybe 25% of folks were wearing masks and no real social distancing occurring.In Florida now. There is nothing at all to suggest a pandemic is happening. A few stores require masks to enter. That's it. At a remote beach location where don't have to interact with anyone and sure as hell don't plan to.
Why? Which parts?Things are gonna get shut down again in many parts of the country in the next couple weeks.
If Arizona and Florida keep going the way they are hospitals are going to be in troubleWhy? Which parts?
I live in Arizona and it will not shut down again, no chance.If Arizona and Florida keep going the way they are hospitals are going to be in trouble
I think you overestimate the willingness even in the face of disaster for either of those states to do anything. The economy may essentially shutdown but I don’t see anything major being mandated. It’s gonna have to be NYC bad for AZ to go back to lockdown.If Arizona and Florida keep going the way they are hospitals are going to be in trouble
Yes agree. That's also why I acknowledged it's bad and we need a more targeted approach. We saw another story earlier on about a family like that in NJ. How is it that one family can be entirely wiped out and another family doesn't even have a single symptom. Clearly there are some genetic risk factors in play that we just don't fully understand yet. Add that to underlying health conditions and environmental factors, and it results in a very bad outcome for some people. But we can see from the data, the vast majority of the population does not express these risk factors.Tell all this to the family in AZ I just linked a story too. As much as many would like, this isn't something you just can close your eyes, plug your ears, and go lalalala and ignore.
I get your point but I just think we need way better leadership on this. We can do much better.
I really hope there isn’t a NY in our country’s future having been through it but Arizona feels like it. Numbers are turning scary there. I hope I am wrong.I live in Arizona and it will not shut down again, no chance.
Not sure but I’ll say this much - people have begun acting like everything is back to normal. I ran some errands today and the lack of masks is noticeable and very frustrating.Southeast beginning a long and slow descent into one big hot zone
What's frustrating?Not sure but I’ll say this much - people have begun acting like everything is back to normal. I ran some errands today and the lack of masks is noticeable and very frustrating.
IIRC Florida has been holding steady on the positive test rate, but increase in positives but also a big increase in tests. However, a big rise in testing should see a decrease in positive rate because you’re no longer just testing the people showing symptoms.What's frustrating?
What part of the country or State are you in? I understand AAA, really I do. We just got horrible news if I can still read correctly, over 2.581 NEW CASES in Florida and if I can look backwards it would seem there was a lot of 500-600 case days over several weeks or what I would call steady and now we spike?!
-The question I have and seems to be hard to find is whether they are just administering 4x the amount of tests or suddenly a 3% positive rate became 6%...we just don't know.
The frustration on this end AAA is it feels like we are getting incomplete data here in Florida which is not surprising to many I'm sure.
Different questions or thoughts for you...I had to get over seeing people in 100 degree heat walking around outside with masks. If we need to stroke these folks at the beach so they feel safe then shouldn't we be understanding of those folks who feel like they need to walk around without a mask? If you are wearing one, what does the %decrease in catching the virus?
I'm asking because the site of people without masks is upsetting you and where I am in South Florida I think people are being understanding of folks who feel BOTH ways towards the mask.
http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/action/report_archive/state/state_reports_latest.pdfWhat's frustrating?
What part of the country or State are you in? I understand AAA, really I do. We just got horrible news if I can still read correctly, over 2.581 NEW CASES in Florida and if I can look backwards it would seem there was a lot of 500-600 case days over several weeks or what I would call steady and now we spike?!
-The question I have and seems to be hard to find is whether they are just administering 4x the amount of tests or suddenly a 3% positive rate became 6%...we just don't know.
The frustration on this end AAA is it feels like we are getting incomplete data here in Florida which is not surprising to many I'm sure.
Different questions or thoughts for you...I had to get over seeing people in 100 degree heat walking around outside with masks. If we need to stroke these folks at the beach so they feel safe then shouldn't we be understanding of those folks who feel like they need to walk around without a mask? If you are wearing one, what does the %decrease in catching the virus?
I'm asking because the sight of people without masks is upsetting you and where I am in South Florida I think people are being understanding of folks who feel BOTH ways towards the mask.
I’m not sure this is complicated - it’s frustrating because people should wear a mask when out in public and indoors. I don’t ####### care that it’s an inconvenience - I hate them too but it’s beyond stupid that people can’t wear them.
Note - I’m not talking about outdoors (mostly - see below) or just seeing people out. I’m talking about walking around Publix or Home Depot and seeing 25-50% or less of folks wearing them. And yes, I’m also irritated that we had so many protests with people not wearing them or social distancing themselves.
Are you purposefully trying to mislead regarding what he posted?I’m not sure this is complicated - it’s frustrating because people should wear a mask when out in public and indoors. I don’t ####### care that it’s an inconvenience - I hate them too but it’s beyond stupid that people can’t wear them.
Note - I’m not talking about outdoors (mostly - see below) or just seeing people out. I’m talking about walking around Publix or Home Depot and seeing 25-50% or less of folks wearing them. And yes, I’m also irritated that we had so many protests with people not wearing them or social distancing themselves.
Cheers AAA