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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (12 Viewers)

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What’s the latest on how long it takes for symptoms to show? We have a grandmother who has to have an in-home nurse visit once a week and my wife’s mom helps take care of her. And my wife’s mom watches our kid once or twice a week. 
 

Trying to figure out how we can space out visits safely. The nurse and the mom wear a surgical mask while the nurse is there but gram fidgets with it. She’s 99. 

 
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2.2% of 18-21 years olds moving onto campus seems like a big deal to me.  This isn't nursing homes.  Guessing they didn't have symptoms and were quite surprised.  I think if 35 kids at my daughters high school test positive the first week it will be a big deal.
They aren't moving on campus. They are being isolated.  1 in 80 or so people have this thing right now (depending on how you count recovery) 2/66 is within expectations.  

 
They aren't moving on campus. They are being isolated.  1 in 80 or so people have this thing right now (depending on how you count recovery) 2/66 is within expectations.  
AMES, Iowa – Through Aug. 6, a total of 3,037 Iowa State University students moving into the residence halls and campus apartments have completed COVID-19 testing at Lied Recreation Center. Of that number 66 students, or 2.2%, tested positive, and 2,971 students, or 97.8%, tested negative.

 
They aren't moving on campus. They are being isolated.  1 in 80 or so people have this thing right now (depending on how you count recovery) 2/66 is within expectations.  
You keep messing up the numbers.  That still isn’t a horrible % but we’ll see how well campuses can do with isolation and managing things.

 
As Arizona’s numbers improve, I’m starting to see mask compliance slip slightly. Reminds me a bit of the time just before re-opening plans were announced. I think the similarities will grow as we get closer to schools opening in-person in a few weeks - people let their guard down and think it’s over right as we need to clamp down to avoid big school outbreaks.

 
What’s the latest on how long it takes for symptoms to show? We have a grandmother who has to have an in-home nurse visit once a week and my wife’s mom helps take care of her. And my wife’s mom watches our kid once or twice a week. 
 

Trying to figure out how we can space out visits safely. The nurse and the mom wear a surgical mask while the nurse is there but gram fidgets with it. She’s 99. 
2 weeks is the longest with a couple of days the shortest. 

 
As Arizona’s numbers improve, I’m starting to see mask compliance slip slightly. Reminds me a bit of the time just before re-opening plans were announced. I think the similarities will grow as we get closer to schools opening in-person in a few weeks - people let their guard down and think it’s over right as we need to clamp down to avoid big school outbreaks.
My kids started school this week in Arizona online.  It doesn't sound like they will be going in person until at least October.  Where are you hearing 2 weeks?

 
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3) CFR MAY has gone down due to a less-lethal strain out of Europe (G614) vs China's strain (G614). This has reportedly increased transmission while decreasing CFR, both of which decrease overall CFR numbers. That ALSO is a good thing. 
Bolded are the same numbers. Any good links to info about the two strains?

 
Connecticut numbers look very good this week...

- 9 deaths over the last 7 days.  That is the lowest weekly total since the pandemic began.
- Highest daily hospitalization total was 66.  Also, the lowest weekly max since the pandemic began.
- 510 positives out of 70618 tests = 0.7% positivity

According to https://rt.live/ one of only three states (along with ME & NJ) to remain under 1 for 3 straight months

According to https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ one of only five states (along with ME, NJ, NY & VT) in the green

Stay safe and wear a mask!

 
Holy chit....7 hours between posts in the virus thread.  Looking like people have FINALLY accepted it as a way of life.   

 
Weekend testing .... but stil....also positivity rate declined to 8.6%

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Florida reported 4,155 new coronavirus cases Monday and 91 more resident’s deaths associated with COVID-19. The new case total is the fewest the state has reported in a day since late June.

 
Omaha public schools cancelled all fall sports, moved the start of school back a week and will be 100% online.
It's really hard to see how any midwest high schools have sports this fall. If the Big Ten isn't having football, how in the world can Ann Arbor Pioneer or State College Area High School have football games? 

 
Interesting survey on the vaccine.  Some surprising results from it -  minorities are much, much less likely to get vaccinated than white folks.  With the minority populations getting hit harder this could be a public health disaster.  These are exactly the populations that need the vaccine.   Very troubling.  There needs to be some money spent to do some convincing there.

independents were much less comfortable with the vaccine than those that associate with a party.  Not sure what to make with that.  Are the crunchy, vegan anti-vaxxers independents?  Odd.

(Full article, for those interested).

 
Interesting survey on the vaccine.  Some surprising results from it -  minorities are much, much less likely to get vaccinated than white folks.  With the minority populations getting hit harder this could be a public health disaster.  These are exactly the populations that need the vaccine.   Very troubling.  There needs to be some money spent to do some convincing there.

independents were much less comfortable with the vaccine than those that associate with a party.  Not sure what to make with that.  Are the crunchy, vegan anti-vaxxers independents?  Odd.

(Full article, for those interested).
Not remotely an anti-vaxxer. Don't trust this administration to ensure its safety at all, though.

 
Not remotely an anti-vaxxer. Don't trust this administration to ensure its safety at all, though.
There has been a good bit of information out there on the safety profiles of the two leading vaccines.  I agree that needs wide communication is a completely factual manner.

But, so far, these have been shown to be safe.  What's your concern with respect to the current candidates?

 
Interesting survey on the vaccine.  Some surprising results from it -  minorities are much, much less likely to get vaccinated than white folks.  With the minority populations getting hit harder this could be a public health disaster.  These are exactly the populations that need the vaccine.   Very troubling.  There needs to be some money spent to do some convincing there.

independents were much less comfortable with the vaccine than those that associate with a party.  Not sure what to make with that.  Are the crunchy, vegan anti-vaxxers independents?  Odd.

(Full article, for those interested).
I’m sure I could read the article but why are minorities much less likely to get vaccinated? Is it because the health systems in those communities are poor or do they have a greater aversion to it?

 
I’m sure I could read the article but why are minorities much less likely to get vaccinated? Is it because the health systems in those communities are poor or do they have a greater aversion to it?
Combo of that and distrust of the government?

(not meant politically as far as this administration...I mean an overall distrust of government dating back many years.)

 
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So bummed about college football, although I had already all but cast it off as being impossible anyways.  I don't see how NFL does it, either... but something tells me they're going to try.  Maybe the NFL will wise up and put some games on Saturdays with the absence of college football?

 
I’m sure I could read the article but why are minorities much less likely to get vaccinated? Is it because the health systems in those communities are poor or do they have a greater aversion to it?
The survey was asking people if they were going to get vaccinated.  At least right now minorities, specifically the black population, are saying they won't get one.  That could be catastrophic to a population that is more susceptible to this thing.

Whether correct or not, it's very likely if this stays the way that poll goes that this distrust will cost minority populations tens of thousands of deaths.  

 
I’m sure I could read the article but why are minorities much less likely to get vaccinated? Is it because the health systems in those communities are poor or do they have a greater aversion to it?
Didn't read, but my guess is :moneybag:

Many can't afford standard vaccines for a variety of reasons, the main one being lack of insurance.  Even if this ends up being "free" to everyone, it most assuredly will go through insurance and many without insurance will absolutely fall through the cracks.  

 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/22/us-pays-1-95-billion-100-million-doses-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/5489964002/

The government will pay for vaccinations, so that won't be an issue.  Maybe the survey respondents don't know that and that influences their response.

 
If there is a problem with the vax testing is that we won't know that it wears off like a fart in time to do anything about it.  (well before trying again)

 
Didn't read, but my guess is :moneybag:

Many can't afford standard vaccines for a variety of reasons, the main one being lack of insurance.  Even if this ends up being "free" to everyone, it most assuredly will go through insurance and many without insurance will absolutely fall through the cracks.  
You know, maybe it's just me being optimistic, but I'd like to think that when the first big swath of vaccine becomes available that we'll see nurses on every corner giving people shots.  The quicker we get the population inoculated the better we all are socially and economically. 

It will easily be the highest return on investment ever for the US govt.  I don't see the need for any insurance filings to go on at all - just a drag on a process that the govt. is paying for, anyway.

 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/22/us-pays-1-95-billion-100-million-doses-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/5489964002/

The government will pay for vaccinations, so that won't be an issue.  Maybe the survey respondents don't know that and that influences their response.
Well, the cost won't be an issue (if the gov't doesn't pass the cost on).  If this runs through insurance, it's a guarantee that people WILL fall through the cracks.  It happens all the time.  

 
You know, maybe it's just me being optimistic, but I'd like to think that when the first big swath of vaccine becomes available that we'll see nurses on every corner giving people shots.  The quicker we get the population inoculated the better we all are socially and economically. 

It will easily be the highest return on investment ever for the US govt.  I don't see the need for any insurance filings to go on at all - just a drag on a process that the govt. is paying for, anyway.
I really hope you're right.  I just don't share your optimism and there's nothing I can put my finger on currently that would make me rethink the pessimism.  I hope what we receive is what is being produced at Oxford....everything else has basically been a black box.  That should make everyone pause at a minimum.  

 
You know, maybe it's just me being optimistic, but I'd like to think that when the first big swath of vaccine becomes available that we'll see nurses on every corner giving people shots.  The quicker we get the population inoculated the better we all are socially and economically. 

It will easily be the highest return on investment ever for the US govt.  I don't see the need for any insurance filings to go on at all - just a drag on a process that the govt. is paying for, anyway.
That is 100% why it’ll happen. Can’t let an opportunity to pump insurance company stock prices pass by. 

 
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It's really hard to see how any midwest high schools have sports this fall. If the Big Ten isn't having football, how in the world can Ann Arbor Pioneer or State College Area High School have football games? 
Football, no. Other sports, perhaps. Not every sport is contact. I hope those in charge realize that. 

 
Well, the cost won't be an issue (if the gov't doesn't pass the cost on).  If this runs through insurance, it's a guarantee that people WILL fall through the cracks.  It happens all the time.  
From the article:

Americans will receive the vaccine for free, “consistent with the U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines,” the release said.

 
The south korean study was no more robust than the other studies. 

I mentioned this in the media criticism thread but children were only a small portion of the study. 

The conclusions for the 0-9 group were based on 3 secondary infections in the home setting. 

The data set for the 10-19 group was very different from the other groups, like 3.7 contacts per kid. The next smallest was like 8.2. 

The other issue i dont see addressed is how prolonged was the contact.  For example lets say Dad tested positive.  He would go into isolation away from the family when he tested positive. The government actually often covered your wages during your isolation. I think I posted about this in here previously. How you put all your stuff in a plastic bag and basically checked into a facility that was full of covid positive testers. 

How was this exposure duration controlled for?

I think they only isolated sick children when they were with a sick parent. 

Also this study was only comparing symptomatic to symptomatic based on symptom onset. Kids and adults could have easily been infected by same source and just developed symptoms at different time. 
Turns out the bold was spot on.

 
From the article:

Americans will receive the vaccine for free, “consistent with the U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines,” the release said.
Travel accommodations? Mobile vaccine clinics for every neighborhood? What about those that didn't leave their homes before the pandemic? People will still have to spend time and money to get to a "free" vaccine.

 
Travel accommodations? Mobile vaccine clinics for every neighborhood? What about those that didn't leave their homes before the pandemic? People will still have to spend time and money to get to a "free" vaccine.
Those exist for the flu shot already

 
Well, the cost won't be an issue (if the gov't doesn't pass the cost on).  If this runs through insurance, it's a guarantee that people WILL fall through the cracks.  It happens all the time.  
From the article:

Americans will receive the vaccine for free, “consistent with the U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines,” the release said.
This is good news and helps address the cost concern.  They haven't said if it will all be run through insurance or not though, right?  If they do, like they do for the testing today, the second part is still a significant issue.  I have a neighbor who's STILL trying to get tested...doesn't have insurance and it's been incredibly complicated.  He's basically given up as his symptoms are going away.  

 
Travel accommodations? Mobile vaccine clinics for every neighborhood? What about those that didn't leave their homes before the pandemic? People will still have to spend time and money to get to a "free" vaccine.
At a certain point, the government can only do so much. Yes, some time will have to be spent -- sending out clinicians house to house, apartment to apartment isn't going to be tenable for large numbers of people. People who are truly compromised in some way (invalids, shut-ins, etc.) ... sure -- appear on their doorstep and give the vaccine.

But for able-bodied people who spend time going to the grocery and spend time on retail and entertainment (no matter how meager) ... yes, they will have to find a way to fit vaccination into their schedules.

I can agree that the government health agencies have to meet communities halfway -- no setting it up where a 100,000 people have to somehow take public transportation 50 miles to even access the vaccine. Definitely set it up as far and wide as feasible, deeply into populous communities. But to a point, the people will have to expend some time, yes.

I feel like I'm misunderstanding you a bit. I (academically) understand that the crushing poor often live decidely inconvenienced lives. But at a certain point ... doesn't everyone who wants a vaccine have to take at least some time, initiative, get-up-and-go ... something, to see that they get the vaccine?

Mobile vaccination clinics, for instance -- that's a great idea. And I have confidence there will be a good bit of that. Flip side: there will be some people, however, for using an excuse of "when's the mobile clinic coming to my street?" as an excuse not to take a six-block walk, or to take an extra bus transfer, or whatever. I understand that people fall into the cracks with any large-scale public initiative, yes -- but I'm specifically talking about people who, essentially, willfully jump into those cracks.

Again, I feel like I'm misunderstanding you.

 
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Football, no. Other sports, perhaps. Not every sport is contact. I hope those in charge realize that. 
Yeah, our Governor recommended 1 month ago that the Michigan High School Athletic Association rearrange their schedule to put non-contact sports in the fall and move the contact sports to winter or spring. Basically flip flop football, soccer, volleyball and lacrosse with tennis, golf, track and cross country. Instead, the MHSAA decided to move ahead as usual. 

 
Yeah, our Governor recommended 1 month ago that the Michigan High School Athletic Association rearrange their schedule to put non-contact sports in the fall and move the contact sports to winter or spring. Basically flip flop football, soccer, volleyball and lacrosse with tennis, golf, track and cross country. Instead, the MHSAA decided to move ahead as usual. 
We are from the same state. My daughter has been swimming outside since mid-June. She starts high school practice next week......outside. 

 
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