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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (29 Viewers)

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That sucks MOP.  Tell him to monitor his oxygen levels.  If he doesn't have an oximeter, then buy a cheap one for him and leave it on his doorstep.  Unless his O2 levels are low or his fever is raging he's not in any real immediate danger.  He should be able to get a corticosteroid to help keep his body from overreacting(which is what it sounds like is happening to him) to the virus, so he might want to contact a different doctor if he feels his current one doesn't have his best interests at heart.  

I know you want to go to him and help him through it.  Any and every good dad would.  This pandemic sucks though and the last thing he'd want is to possibly infect any more family.  Sit by...  be ready to head over there and drop off any supplies/groceries/etc. on his doorstep....  and pray for him.  He can pull through this and hopefully by this weekend things will look a lot less scary.

 
Praying for your son MoP.  27 states now have cases going up again.  It's crazy that there's still people not taking it seriously out there.  Take care man.  
I think people are over the initial scare and most folks thing it won't affect them anymore.

What people seem to underestimate is the toll it'll take on society as a whole, and those who are at-risk.  People are somewhat good at assessing personal risk (not great by any means), but are pretty bad at assessing risks for groups much broader than a close circle of friends/family.

This is where experts, and agencies, designed to take a data/science driven approach to problems like this should come in.  Unfortunately, in this situation that's not working very well.

 
That sucks MOP.  Tell him to monitor his oxygen levels.  If he doesn't have an oximeter, then buy a cheap one for him and leave it on his doorstep.  Unless his O2 levels are low or his fever is raging he's not in any real immediate danger.  He should be able to get a corticosteroid to help keep his body from overreacting(which is what it sounds like is happening to him) to the virus, so he might want to contact a different doctor if he feels his current one doesn't have his best interests at heart.  

I know you want to go to him and help him through it.  Any and every good dad would.  This pandemic sucks though and the last thing he'd want is to possibly infect any more family.  Sit by...  be ready to head over there and drop off any supplies/groceries/etc. on his doorstep....  and pray for him.  He can pull through this and hopefully by this weekend things will look a lot less scary.
Putting a care package together this afternoon, in the great State of Florida, you can send UPS Ground and it gets to any spot within the State next day...so I can reach out and make him feel a little better. Great idea, thank you!

 
More info as I am understanding things...

-My son was told they couldn't treat him when he went to the doctors, they said there was nothing they could do for him...that's kinda disturbing to me. I'm reading a few posts in here, couldn't they have given him a ZPac or something? Is there something OTC he could purchase to combat this as best he can? 

-He has told everyone he was in contact with what is happening and his g/f is also being tested for the CV-19 now.

He says he feels as bad today as he did yesterday which was worse than he felt on Tuesday...
There are suggestions out there to megadose Vit. D and C, but those seem wacky.  The fact is there isn't any early treatment for this thing.  

 
More info as I am understanding things...

-My son was told they couldn't treat him when he went to the doctors, they said there was nothing they could do for him...that's kinda disturbing to me. I'm reading a few posts in here, couldn't they have given him a ZPac or something? Is there something OTC he could purchase to combat this as best he can? 

-He has told everyone he was in contact with what is happening and his g/f is also being tested for the CV-19 now.

He says he feels as bad today as he did yesterday which was worse than he felt on Tuesday...
A Z pak does nothing for covid. Like other viral diseases, treatment is symptomatic, meaning Tylenol for fever and cough medicine like guaifenesin. Only if his oxygen level drop and/or he develops respiratory distress will he qualify for other treatments. 

 
That sucks MOP.  Tell him to monitor his oxygen levels.  If he doesn't have an oximeter, then buy a cheap one for him and leave it on his doorstep.  Unless his O2 levels are low or his fever is raging he's not in any real immediate danger.  He should be able to get a corticosteroid to help keep his body from overreacting(which is what it sounds like is happening to him) to the virus, so he might want to contact a different doctor if he feels his current one doesn't have his best interests at heart.  

I know you want to go to him and help him through it.  Any and every good dad would.  This pandemic sucks though and the last thing he'd want is to possibly infect any more family.  Sit by...  be ready to head over there and drop off any supplies/groceries/etc. on his doorstep....  and pray for him.  He can pull through this and hopefully by this weekend things will look a lot less scary.
Monitoring oximetry is a good idea, but keep in mind the readings are subject to error. Consistent levels less than 94% would be concerning in a young, otherwise healthy individual.

Although a lot of docs are prescribing steroids, the benefit has only been shown for hospitalized, sicker patients (requiring supplemental oxygen or other respiratory support) and those with symptoms greater than 7 days.
 

 
A Z pak does nothing for covid. Like other viral diseases, treatment is symptomatic, meaning Tylenol for fever and cough medicine like guaifenesin. Only if his oxygen level drop and/or he develops respiratory distress will he qualify for other treatments. 
What about zinc? I remember earlier in the pandemic they thought that might be of some help.

Some studies have shown that zinc could be beneficial against the cold virus, so maybe it could help with Covid.

 
Praying for your son MoP.  27 states now have cases going up again.  It's crazy that there's still people not taking it seriously out there.  Take care man.  
I have found that my own thought patterns about covid have changed a lot since this spring.  Intellectually I know it's still a big deal, I still wear a mask when I'm out and about, I still wash my hands, etc.  But I don't know anybody who's caught covid, and I don't even know anybody who knows anybody who's caught it.  It's as if it doesn't exist in my little corner of the world, and the result is that when I go out I barely even think about it at all.  I get that that's completely irrational and I do actively remind myself not to get complacent, but back in April I didn't need any reminders against complacency.  

My guess is that I'm not alone on this one.  Now that we're 6+ months into this thing, I'm thinking that a lot of people have mentally adjusted and covid is background noise compared to what it was previously.

 
I have found that my own thought patterns about covid have changed a lot since this spring.  Intellectually I know it's still a big deal, I still wear a mask when I'm out and about, I still wash my hands, etc.  But I don't know anybody who's caught covid, and I don't even know anybody who knows anybody who's caught it.  It's as if it doesn't exist in my little corner of the world, and the result is that when I go out I barely even think about it at all.  I get that that's completely irrational and I do actively remind myself not to get complacent, but back in April I didn't need any reminders against complacency.  

My guess is that I'm not alone on this one.  Now that we're 6+ months into this thing, I'm thinking that a lot of people have mentally adjusted and covid is background noise compared to what it was previously.
I'm right there with you, although I do know a few folks that got it.... only one person said they had any symptoms at all.

My company is being overly cautious with dealing with it, and I think it might be overkill.  But I'm not in charge.

Like you, I'll wear my mask when I'm "supposed to" and have been more mindful of hand-washing and occasionally using hand sanitizer (when in the office or after being "out" somewhere).

I want this to be over, and I know that's wishful thinking.

 
Well, my wife tested positive on a rapid test this afternoon. She's had a mild sore throat and general aches for a couple days and woke up with a fever this morning.  I've also had a sore throat and some aches but generally feel fine. I tested negative on a rapid test this afternoon. Won't hear back on the regular results until Sunday or Monday. They told me that the rapid test positives are about 98% accurate while the negatives have a 16% false rate. So I'm assuming I've got it as well.

It pisses me off because I've been hyper-vigilant this whole time to the point of being ridiculed frequently. I let my guard down and relented this past weekend after a lot of arguments and compromises and we visited my wife's brother for his wedding. At his house, outside, with a small number of people. But maskless because at his house. I even insisted we cancel our plane tickets and drive. One big mistake. Damn. I should have left when we got there and learned the maskless part. But I didn't want too ruin their weekend and cause a family blow out.

We'll both be monitoring pulse ox multiple times a day and go from there. 

 
leftcoastguy7 said:
What about zinc? I remember earlier in the pandemic they thought that might be of some help.

Some studies have shown that zinc could be beneficial against the cold virus, so maybe it could help with Covid.
Vitamin/micronutrient stuff is usually preventative, and the studies are rarely big enough or conducted in a manner to show clear benefit. There are a bazillion antioxidant and anti-inflammatory supplements which theoretically could help, but actual proof is lacking. Vitamin D might be an exception, though TMK there are no good covid treatment studies. Don't know about zinc.

 
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Well, my wife tested positive on a rapid test this afternoon. She's had a mild sore throat and general aches for a couple days and woke up with a fever this morning.  I've also had a sore throat and some aches but generally feel fine. I tested negative on a rapid test this afternoon. Won't hear back on the regular results until Sunday or Monday. They told me that the rapid test positives are about 98% accurate while the negatives have a 16% false rate. So I'm assuming I've got it as well.

It pisses me off because I've been hyper-vigilant this whole time to the point of being ridiculed frequently. I let my guard down and relented this past weekend after a lot of arguments and compromises and we visited my wife's brother for his wedding. At his house, outside, with a small number of people. But maskless because at his house. I even insisted we cancel our plane tickets and drive. One big mistake. Damn. I should have left when we got there and learned the maskless part. But I didn't want too ruin their weekend and cause a family blow out.

We'll both be monitoring pulse ox multiple times a day and go from there. 
Best of luck.

 
Well, my wife tested positive on a rapid test this afternoon. She's had a mild sore throat and general aches for a couple days and woke up with a fever this morning.  I've also had a sore throat and some aches but generally feel fine. I tested negative on a rapid test this afternoon. Won't hear back on the regular results until Sunday or Monday. They told me that the rapid test positives are about 98% accurate while the negatives have a 16% false rate. So I'm assuming I've got it as well.

It pisses me off because I've been hyper-vigilant this whole time to the point of being ridiculed frequently. I let my guard down and relented this past weekend after a lot of arguments and compromises and we visited my wife's brother for his wedding. At his house, outside, with a small number of people. But maskless because at his house. I even insisted we cancel our plane tickets and drive. One big mistake. Damn. I should have left when we got there and learned the maskless part. But I didn't want too ruin their weekend and cause a family blow out.

We'll both be monitoring pulse ox multiple times a day and go from there. 
This sucks. Hoping for the best for you guys.

 
@Ministry of Pain sorry to hear about your son and others.  early on, back in March, i was at my doctor and spoke about CV.  He told me there were no treatments, which i think most of this country still doesn’t understand.  You can somewhat treat the flu, but there is nothing for CV.  I asked about a ZPack, etc.  He kept saying no.  He warned me, since i have had bouts with Bronchitis and Pneumonia, to be uber vigilant.  IMO, we haven’t been very good delivering this message either.  Hope all here feel better and can fight this off.

 
More info as I am understanding things...

-My son was told they couldn't treat him when he went to the doctors, they said there was nothing they could do for him...that's kinda disturbing to me. I'm reading a few posts in here, couldn't they have given him a ZPac or something? Is there something OTC he could purchase to combat this as best he can? 

-He has told everyone he was in contact with what is happening and his g/f is also being tested for the CV-19 now.

He says he feels as bad today as he did yesterday which was worse than he felt on Tuesday...
Thinking of your family and a speedy recovery for your son!

 
Update: My son is doing much better, fever has subsided and he is in much better spirits. 

I want to thank everyone for their kind words and I have made a decision that even though they cannot enforce the mask here in Florida any longer that I am voluntarily masking up anywhere inside a public place, anyone who is around me and acts like this is over or not happening, I just start talking about my son catching this and how it happened right in sync with the mask mandate being lifted. 

I have to say that although they are not enforcing the mask because the Gov overrode local officials, I still see a strong united front from most customers and are continuing to wear their masks. It's definitely not common to see people walking around inside anywhere public and NOT wearing a mask right now here in South Florida, just my observations from the ground level here. 

 
Here in Jupiter/Palm Beach, restaurants are being ordered to take down their tents or outside seating areas because it's Phase 3...

-Hey look, these Phase re-openings were put together back in March and a lot has changed since then. Why on Earth would they force restaurants or encourage them to stop sitting people outside? 

I'm just left shaking my head every time the government steps in and mandates anything around here. People have been told to Stay Indoors, it says so on every sign leading into my little community...Stay Indoors, Stay Safe, Stay Connected, they have them posted everywhere. Now they want to mandate that people who have argely been hiding indoors at home be thrust into indoor dining with strangers? 

Where is the logic? 

 
No test results back for me yet. My wife's mild fever appears over and pulse ox for both of us has remained normal so far.  No fever for me. Sore throats and nasal congestion very very mild. Both a little achy but not I 'm honestly not sure if mine is my normal amount of pain or even psychosomatic.  No one else from the wedding feeling bad and those that have tested have all been negative.  Our dog groomer tested positive and was sent to the hospital due to "crystallization" in her lungs.  The testing clinic told her based on that she has had it a while.  I've never had contact with her and my wife only had masked contact. So maybe spread by the dog...just don't know at this point. But it seems likely we are at least a week out from exposure or maybe 10 days. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 
Here in Jupiter/Palm Beach, restaurants are being ordered to take down their tents or outside seating areas because it's Phase 3...

-Hey look, these Phase re-openings were put together back in March and a lot has changed since then. Why on Earth would they force restaurants or encourage them to stop sitting people outside? 

I'm just left shaking my head every time the government steps in and mandates anything around here. People have been told to Stay Indoors, it says so on every sign leading into my little community...Stay Indoors, Stay Safe, Stay Connected, they have them posted everywhere. Now they want to mandate that people who have argely been hiding indoors at home be thrust into indoor dining with strangers? 

Where is the logic? 
The indoor dining thing is being driven by the industry having a semi-panic that outdoor dining has no viability in the winter months, even in Florida.  And that surveys are still finding that net of anything indoor diners are still not indoor dining at anywhere close to the way they used to.  One way to change that is to flatly discourage outdoor dining as even an option to (starve) those into submission.  

The late winter early spring season is actually the biggest time for dining out.  People travel for Thanksgiving/Christmas/vacation, this drives a lot of fine dining.

Open table has a lot of fun charts:

https://www.opentable.com/state-of-industry

 
The indoor dining thing is being driven by the industry having a semi-panic that outdoor dining has no viability in the winter months, even in Florida.  And that surveys are still finding that net of anything indoor diners are still not indoor dining at anywhere close to the way they used to.  One way to change that is to flatly discourage outdoor dining as even an option to (starve) those into submission.  
This is my understanding as well.

There are ways to do indoor dining safely ... but the necessary protocols are significant challenges to profitability. A 50-seat space probably has to go down to 15 to 30 seats (depending on floor space, layout, etc.). HVAC modifications (e.g. increased outside-air exchange) can decrease COVID risk in an indoor space markedly, but are likely more of a PITA than most restaurant owners are willing to take on. You need both staff and patrons both super-fastidious about wearing masks (and properly!) when not eating or drinking. Essentially, it's a lot of stuff real-life people typically can't quite get right in aggregate.

 
I got tested this morning. I had prolonged contact with a confirmed positive individual 9 days ago. I have had this nagging cough most of this week and I was really tired, but nothing out of the ordinary. Yesterday I started a runny nose. No fever, but my face is really flushed. I am hoping it is just a mild cold, but I figured it is better to be safe than sorry. I have been working from home since March and I can count on one hand how many places I have physically gone to over the past two weeks and those were just curbside pickup things.  They say 3-4 days for the results, but as immunocompromised as I am, I have to say it is a little concerning. We have tried to be so careful with me--almost like making me a bubble boy, but I had to go in physically to work that one day.....ughhh, and of all weekends, my daughter drove in from college and she is here physically in our house for the first time since February. 

 
Got the results of my PCR test this afternoon. Negative. My wife has very limited symptoms.  Starting to question whether she may have been a false positive.  Regardless, we will quarantine for another 10 days or so and then have her retest.

 
Got the results of my PCR test this afternoon. Negative. My wife has very limited symptoms.  Starting to question whether she may have been a false positive.  Regardless, we will quarantine for another 10 days or so and then have her retest.
Glad to hear it.  Did you show any symptoms?

 
Glad to hear it.  Did you show any symptoms?
Yes. I actually had a minor sore throat one day before my wife.  She tested the next day due to a mild fever that broke within one day.  Since then I've had a minor sore throat at night, some head fuzziness and general fatigue but I suppose I now have to chock that up to being fat and old.

 
Very interesting article in The Atlantic on the dispersion, k, of an epidemic. 

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/616548/

Insights into why Japan and other countries have done well with lighter lock downs. 
Zeynep has been spot on. She is a great follow on twitter. 
The following concepts, from the Atlantic link above, have been broached here and there by scientists since the beginning of the summer. It's one of the big take-aways of this article for me -- just how chaotic and, frankly, luck-based COVID transmission really seems to be:

There are COVID-19 incidents in which a single person likely infected 80 percent or more of the people in the room in just a few hours. But, at other times, COVID-19 can be surprisingly much less contagious. Overdispersion and super-spreading of this virus are found in research across the globe. A growing number of studies estimate that a majority of infected people may not infect a single other person. A recent paper found that in Hong Kong, which had extensive testing and contact tracing, about 19 percent of cases were responsible for 80 percent of transmission, while 69 percent of cases did not infect another person. This finding is not rare: Multiple studies from the beginning have suggested that as few as 10 to 20 percent of infected people may be responsible for as much as 80 to 90 percent of transmission, and that many people barely transmit it.

This highly skewed, imbalanced distribution means that an early run of bad luck with a few super-spreading events, or clusters, can produce dramatically different outcomes even for otherwise similar countries. Scientists looked globally at known early-introduction events, in which an infected person comes into a country, and found that in some places, such imported cases led to no deaths or known infections, while in others, they sparked sizable outbreaks. Using genomic analysis, researchers in New Zealand looked at more than half the confirmed cases in the country and found a staggering 277 separate introductions in the early months, but also that only 19 percent of introductions led to more than one additional case. A recent review shows that this may even be true in congregate living spaces, such as nursing homes, and that multiple introductions may be necessary before an outbreak takes off. Meanwhile, in Daegu, South Korea, just one woman, dubbed Patient 31, generated more than 5,000 known cases in a megachurch cluster.

 
The following concepts, from the Atlantic link above, have been broached here and there by scientists since the beginning of the summer. It's one of the big take-aways of this article for me -- just how chaotic and, frankly, luck-based COVID transmission really seems to be:
Have any thoughts on why that is? My personal thought is carriers have a very small window that they are infectious combined with aerosol spread being main way this is spread, combined with a need of extended contact since just breathing in a few particles is likely nowhere near enough for most people. 

 
Have any thoughts on why that is? My personal thought is carriers have a very small window that they are infectious combined with aerosol spread being main way this is spread, combined with a need of extended contact since just breathing in a few particles is likely nowhere near enough for most people. 
There was a blood type study that said certain blood types are more capable of being super spreaders.  It was ages ago.  That was first thing that came in my head.

 
My test results this morning showed negative. Very happy, but just can't explain why I am this tired.Took two naps yesterday and slept ten hours last night. For just a little cold, this thing is sort of doing a number on me. Oh well, like Ron suggested above,  maybe it is just the fat and old explanation. 

 
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The following concepts, from the Atlantic link above, have been broached here and there by scientists since the beginning of the summer. It's one of the big take-aways of this article for me -- just how chaotic and, frankly, luck-based COVID transmission really seems to be:
It's this reason and basic humanity that makes the COVID shaming that I see going on really depressing to me.  Yes, people should be smart and do what they can to protect themselves and those around them.  But sometimes crazy things just happen.  Maybe someone who was pre-symptomatic was just in an area, you have a terrible nose itch at the precise wrong time and infect yourself trying to scratch it.  Can anyone reasonably fault you for contracting it?  Or fault the guy who didn't know he was contagious, but in hindsight felt a little bit off for going to the store?  Bottom line, unless you're doing some genetic tracing of the virus, nobody "knows" for sure whether someone got infected through reckless behavior or not.

 
The following concepts, from the Atlantic link above, have been broached here and there by scientists since the beginning of the summer. It's one of the big take-aways of this article for me -- just how chaotic and, frankly, luck-based COVID transmission really seems to be:
Have any thoughts on why that is? My personal thought is carriers have a very small window that they are infectious combined with aerosol spread being main way this is spread, combined with a need of extended contact since just breathing in a few particles is likely nowhere near enough for most people. 
Not really. So many things with this virus seem to be highly variable. Simple explanations of observed phenomena seem to be especially elusive.

I recently read about how some percentage of COVID patients never really express the virus through their nasal passages. So all the while their lungs are filling with clots and their O2 saturation drops like a stone, they consistently test negative on any kind of swab-based test. For these patients, doctors will diagnose COVID via a chest X-ray, with a fluid sample taken from the lungs for confirmation if feasible (e.g. patient has been intubated).

So the way it seems to break down is you can very roughly categorize three types of COVID-19 patients:

1) Virus concentration in the nasal passages, little to no virus in the bronchi and lungs -- these patients will be spared the worst of COVID, typically having cold-like symptoms if they are symptomatic at all. However, due to the location of the virus, these patients likely emit virus-laden aerosols at a greater concentration than their symptoms would suggest. These patients will typically test positive via swab within the accuracy limits of a given swab test.

2) Virus concentration in both the nasal passages and in the bronchi and lungs -- these patients will run the gamut from asymptomatics to those requiring intensive care. These patients will also (usually) emit plenty of aerosols, but they'll be "seen coming" -- their illness is more likely to be apparent than those in group 1. These patients will also typically test positive via swab within the accuracy limits of a given swab test.

3) Virus concentration in the bronchi and lungs, little to no virus in the nasal passages -- these patients can also range as widely as group 2. However, these patients will also consistently test negative via swab, which can delay accurate diagnosis. Patients in this groups can "wave off" severe symptoms for a time as they can point to repeated negative COVID tests.

...

All of that would seem to play into the general chaotic nature of COVID's transmission. But I don't think all the dots are connected just yet.

 
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So I went into my office last week to go to an admin/tech desk to gather some stuff from a guy that went to Mexico the prior week and caught what was diagnosed was a parasite (complete with stool sample).  Was there 48hrs after his last presence.  Guy comes back + Friday.

I guess I'm in the clear but who the #### knows.  Work probably will pester me to get tested, looking forward to that.

 
Working from my office Mondays and Thursdays for now.... looks like Monday is a light day in terms of who's in the office (me and the head of IT).  Thursdays look a little busies with the HR ladies and a few folks from accounting along with the guy who provides my team with admin support.  I may be cutting Mondays out... although it does let me sneak out to watch MNF after work.  :lol:  

 
Not really. So many things with this virus seem to be highly variable. Simple explanations of observed phenomena seem to be especially elusive.

I recently read about how some percentage of COVID patients never really express the virus through their nasal passages. So all the while their lungs are filling with clots and their O2 saturation drops like a stone, they consistently test negative on any kind of swab-based test. For these patients, doctors will diagnose COVID via a chest X-ray, with a fluid sample taken from the lungs for confirmation if feasible (e.g. patient has been intubated).

So the way it seems to break down is you can very roughly categorize three types of COVID-19 patients:

1) Virus concentration in the nasal passages, little to no virus in the bronchi and lungs -- these patients will be spared the worst of COVID, typically having cold-like symptoms if they are symptomatic at all. However, due to the location of the virus, these patients likely emit virus-laden aerosols at a greater concentration than their symptoms would suggest. These patients will typically test positive via swab within the accuracy limits of a given swab test.

2) Virus concentration in both the nasal passages and in the bronchi and lungs -- these patients will run the gamut from asymptomatics to those requiring intensive care. These patients will also (usually) emit plenty of aerosols, but they'll be "seen coming" -- their illness is more likely to be apparent than those in group 1. These patients will also typically test positive via swab within the accuracy limits of a given swab test.

3) Virus concentration in the bronchi and lungs, little to no virus in the nasal passages -- these patients can also range as widely as group 2. However, these patients will also consistently test negative via swab, which can delay accurate diagnosis. Patients in this groups can "wave off" severe symptoms for a time as they can point to repeated negative COVID tests.

...

All of that would seem to play into the general chaotic nature of COVID's transmission. But I don't think all the dots are connected just yet.
I’m guessing where the virus lands, which reflects how it was transmitted, and where you are in the course of infection, determines viral concentration in various areas and symptoms.

I think most people inhale it, especially larger droplets, and the bulk of the virions start their job close to the entry points of the naso- and oropharynx. If your immune system contains it, it doesn’t travel anywhere else. For many people who don’t, it spreads to the deeper airways, usually via aspirated secretions. It’s also possible it disseminates via the bloodstream, though I think that is less likely. Anyway, once it gets deeper in the respiratory tract more severe symptoms develop, which are compounded in a subset of patients by the cytokine storm.

A second group is infected by smaller aerosols, which can avoid the physical barriers of the upper respiratory tract (hair, cilia)  more readily and be inhaled deeper in the airways/lungs from the get-go. These guys get sick more quickly.

Still others ingest the virus from contaminated hands or fomites, which inoculate the mouth first. These people have a preponderance of gastrointestinal symptoms early. It spreads to the lungs via aspiration or blood borne dissemination as above. This is the subset who may never carry virus in the nasopharynx and consequently test negative.

As far are superspreading, the article gives us some clues. Probably a number of factors need to align for a superspreader event to occur: wrong host in the wrong place, partaking in the wrong activities for a relatively long time. Stuff like singing with a bunch of people over several hours, working in close quarters all day in a poorly ventilated meat-packing plant, or communal living situation like prisons and long term care facilities.

We don’t know a lot about host factors which contribute to superspreading, but I suspect they may have subtle immunologic defects which allow the virus to proliferate to higher levels in their upper airways. When they cough, sneeze, sing or talk loudly/yell, larger viral quantities are spewed into their surroundings, especially via aerosols, than typical transmissions. If I had to venture a guess, I’d bet they have a mild IgA immunoglobulin deficiency. IgA are mucosal antibodies, which are among our first line of defense against respiratory and gastrointestinal infections. While nobody has preformed SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, many do have IgA antibodies targeting other coronaviruses and viral respiratory infections. It’s been suggested these cross-react enough with SARS-CoV-2 to attenuate its severity. Although other deficiencies of nonspecific, innate immune function may also be in play, IgA deficiency is relatively common in the general population.

Almost none of the above is experimentally validated, so take it with a grain of salt.

 
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I’m officially on site with my client once a week. I am supposed to do 2 days a week, but they’re cool with me not being there both days. This is going to be like this for a long time and I’m very happy I don’t have to go there more. 

 
If I had to venture a guess, I’d bet they have a mild IgA immunoglobulin deficiency. IgA are mucosal antibodies, which are among our first line of defense against respiratory and gastrointestinal infections. While nobody has preformed SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, many do have IgA antibodies targeting other coronaviruses and viral respiratory infections. It’s been suggested these cross-react enough with SARS-CoV-2 to attenuate its severity. Although other deficiencies of nonspecific, innate immune function may also be in play, IgA deficiency is relatively common in the general population.
Is this immunoglobulin deficiency the kind of thing that would be obvious about a person to non-professionals? For example: "Dang, every time I catch a cold, it takes me a month to kick the thing!" Or "Every time something comes around ... I know I'm going to catch it. Yet here you are -- you haven't been sick in years!"

Some people just seem to be "sickly" in a non-specific way. People in an office might talk about the one person in the office who calls in sick a few days a month (on average) and wonder what's up with that person, are they sand-bagging or slacking, etc. But maybe some of those "frequent sick leave" people are just getting infected with something all the time -- something 99 out of 100 people fight off without notice.

 
Doug B said:
Is this immunoglobulin deficiency the kind of thing that would be obvious about a person to non-professionals? For example: "Dang, every time I catch a cold, it takes me a month to kick the thing!" Or "Every time something comes around ... I know I'm going to catch it. Yet here you are -- you haven't been sick in years!"

Some people just seem to be "sickly" in a non-specific way. People in an office might talk about the one person in the office who calls in sick a few days a month (on average) and wonder what's up with that person, are they sand-bagging or slacking, etc. But maybe some of those "frequent sick leave" people are just getting infected with something all the time -- something 99 out of 100 people fight off without notice.
There’s a spectrum of disease, depending on the extent of the deficiency. Mild deficiency doesn’t cause any problems, whereas severe deficiency can lead to recurrent sinopulmonary infections, as well as diarrheal disease. They also can have problems with allergies, asthma and autoimmune disease - none of these have been strongly linked to covid-19 tmk, so maybe my theory is off-base.

 
Despite our state and Gov Desantis getting #### from media across the country all summer long, Florida's transmission rate has been consistently below 1.0 since June 28th, at least according to rt.live

 
flranger said:
Despite our state and Gov Desantis getting #### from media across the country all summer long, Florida's transmission rate has been consistently below 1.0 since June 28th, at least according to rt.live
To be clear, with respect to rt live, when they adjust, they adjust retroactively...so what you're seeing today likely wasn't the way it was prior to an adjustment.  It's a pretty bad point of reference for historical data.  I don't know what "media across the country" has been saying about DeSantis.  I can only speak to what's been said here in our area, but it's pretty bad when he compares those concerned about spread at school, which is happening, to "flat earthers".

 
To be clear, with respect to rt live, when they adjust, they adjust retroactively...so what you're seeing today likely wasn't the way it was prior to an adjustment.  It's a pretty bad point of reference for historical data.  I don't know what "media across the country" has been saying about DeSantis.  I can only speak to what's been said here in our area, but it's pretty bad when he compares those concerned about spread at school, which is happening, to "flat earthers".
Yeah I can't defend the flat earther comment, wasn't aware of it.  Actually kind of odd because seems most flat earthers are also no mask wearing plandemic supporters

...but as to the adjustments are you saying the rt data/estimates on transmission rate becomes less accurate due to the adjustments?  It would seem to me those adjustments would be to make it more accurate based on additional facts?

 
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