thank you. even if only mostly accurate, the 1st link is the best, most positive, sensible thing i've read about covid in nearly 10 months.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (4 Viewers)
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Peak
Footballguy
I agree, but he hasn't backed down much and the numbers have not gone down. This morning he's tweeting that some counties/cities (including Columbus) are approaching critical levels. This 10pm curfew isn't going to do anything, especially when local law enforcement isn't going to enforce it. They have far more things to do than to be glorified hall monitors after 10pm.
His whole reasoning seems to be to limit everything else in order to keep the kids in school. Our local HS has had a rise in cases over the last two months. I'm actually surprised they aren't full Remote Learning right now. Instead, the school instituted a Remote Learning Wednesday, but in school the other days. I'm not sure how much that has helped. The schools around here are simply waiting on Dewine to do something statewide.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The purpose of those remote learning days are for practice. I know that isn't how it's being spun and I'm sure there are some dullard administrations out there that think it helps control the spread, but preparation is why they're doing it. Should the switch get flipped this way both kids and teachers have been through reps and know what to expect.
If there is an order for all/some schools to be remote sometime this winter I do not expect it to be an extended one. Not gonna pretend to know a length, it'd just be a number pulled out of my ###, but - less than a month.
Sanctuary cities, pot dispensaries, warnings for traffic infractions all are examples of selective enforcement. Sheriff is an elected position in PA. He's playing to his base to keep from being removed from his job.
eta: Like judges, I'm not sure why this is an elected position.
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encaitar
Footballguy
Since when haven't they? Sheriffs are an elected position in most townships.
We can't celebrate sheriffs refusing to enforce what we think are terrible immigration laws and then scream about them not enforcing these mandates. In both cases they're doing the will of the local populace, which is exactly what they were elected to do.
I'm not so sure your description of the first two items listed are accurate, depending on what you're arguing. If you're arguing that state/local law enforcement aren't enforcing, say, marijuana laws, that's just incorrect. In Connecticut, for example, the state law is that MJ is legal for medicinal purposes. While it may be illegal under federal law, state and local law enforcement do not have jurisdiction to enforce federal laws.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Most people aren’t confused. They just want a scapegoat for their willful ignorance and inaction. It’s way easier to find media inconsistency and a few hypocrites than make personal sacrifices.Lecture?
Just pointing out that this is a rather simple concept to grasp. Stay away from each other, wear a mask when around others and wash your hands. There should be no "confusion" about that. Now...this part coming IS a lecture....anyone slurping up what our media is spitting out is part of the problem and this seems to be a pretty good example of that. Anyone allowing themselves to be "confused" over a simple concept like this by listening to the media has issues IMO. I'm quite baffled by anyone bothering to ever turn on the MSM in this country.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
This is horse crap.
And as to the bolded, I guess he's saying " and screw your neighbors and community."
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Pretty cool that law enforcement can simply select which laws to enforce and which to ignore (and announce that publicly).
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Immigration and drug laws are federal laws, not state laws. Public health police powers lie with the State (or Commonwealth), not with the federal government.
This is why Joe Biden can't have a federal mask mandate to cover all spaces in the US.
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culdeus
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The issue with the immigration law stuff is that the federal government wanted local govt. to hold them indefinitely, without paying the bills. They would much rather fill them up with DUI cases paying the huge bucks.
trader jake
Footballguy
Ain't that the truth. The hospitals around here are now starting to stop booking elective surgeries as the beds fill with more covid19 patients. Which leads to all the problems we faced in the Spring all over again.Terminalxylem said:
Way too many people are simply unwilling to sacrifice for the betterment of all. It's no longer a lack of information, it's willful ignorance and weak justifications. It's incredibly frustrating.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, my family just got told my grandmother probably has less than 24 hours left to live. My parents aren’t even allowed in to see her and I won’t be able to go be with my dad to say goodbye at any memorial service.
I know that reality is that at 95 she didn’t likely have a lot of years left (and wasn’t too happy anyway), but she beat several other serious health things and was doing fine until Covid. And thanks to Covid, her passing will be even tougher for everyone to deal with.
I know that reality is that at 95 she didn’t likely have a lot of years left (and wasn’t too happy anyway), but she beat several other serious health things and was doing fine until Covid. And thanks to Covid, her passing will be even tougher for everyone to deal with.
Don't Toews Me
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Moved to political thread...The Z Machine said:
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
Team I work on made the papers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-reduce-covid-19-deaths-lengths-of-stay-data-suggest-11605810133
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hospitals-reduce-covid-19-deaths-lengths-of-stay-data-suggest-11605810133
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encaitar
Footballguy
Sorry to hear that man.
Yes, she was old and your father had many years with her, but I guarantee that he'd have loved another one. My father passed in April(heart disease) and even though it'd been coming for awhile I still wish I had even another week with him. The fact that we as a society aren't doing everything we can to ensure people get every moment possible with the people they love is devastatingly tragic.
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mr roboto
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The thing that ####### pisses me off as a business owner is the ####### stupidity and selfishness of the average person. My livelihood is getting shut down AGAIN because of selfish ####### #######s who need to watch an NFL game in a crowded bar or have 100 people at a wedding reception or refuse to wear masks or whose kids JUST HAVE TO PLAY HOCKEY!!!
Then these idiots blame the government. No. You don’t blame the parents when the kids are acting like ### hats and the parents have to take away the car and ground them.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I think he does 1-1 training sessions. Not likely to infect lots of people at a given time in that type of environment.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Seriously? Hockey rinks are terrible for air flow. I run a 1-on-1 personal training studio. And gyms are way easier to manage/control than large indoor youth sporting events.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
His argument is that his model allows for him to make adjustments to make things safe so he should be allowed to continue to operate. I agree with him. But I also think plenty of other gyms could still operate safely and make adjustments. 1 to 1 personal training is actually a dangerous covid activity without adjustments. Two people in close proximity for more than 15 minutes.
Youth hockey is a safe activity with adjustments as well. Even in MA where they shut down rinks, the governor admitted that spread was mostly from off ice activities. And we are talking about kids, not adults. So spread among kids isn't the same as spread among adults as we have obviously learned.
And the smaller number of people can just as easily be used against allowing his business to be open. Shutting his doors affects a far smaller number of people than shutting down youth hockey in a state like MN. I take issue with minimizing youth sports as if they arent important. Arguing that people being able to go to a bar or restaurant should be treated as less important than working out is valid, for obvious health reasons. Arguing that kids shouldn't play hockey so people can work out is hypocritical.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Correct. But even gyms if managed well can control their environments better than just about anywhere else.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Here in Minnesota indoor hockey was by far the number one cause of spread among youth sports followed by indoor volleyball and then football. I’m not trying to pick on hockey specifically but it’s a minor religion here and parents flip out if their children can’t play.
What bothers me is all summer long gyms and fitness studios were open and the curve was flat now that it’s fall and we’ve gone back to school and back to youth sports that’s caused the spike and yet the businesses that were clearly not really causing a spike over the summer being shut down. Bars and restaurants hold some responsibility and should be kept at low levels of occupancy along with gyms and we shouldn’t have large indoor sporting events of any kind. Seems pretty self evident to me.
Personal trainers can stay 6 feet away from their client at all times and we can require mask wearing during working out - personal training is less dangerous than having somebody stand above your head for a half an hour giving you a haircut. Some of these rules are capricious and they are throwing in business models into huge industry categories that are functionally so different it’s not even funny. Literally a massage therapist or a chiropractor can continue to take patients right now and they actually have to touch them but you can’t go into a room and lift weights with somebody supervising you from the other side of the room while wearing a mask.
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mr roboto
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Also, a lot of gyms could offer socially distance and scheduled personal training and keep revenue and keep some of their employees even if they have to close to general memberships which would be a huge lifesaver especially now when the federal government can’t get their act together in the current president is acting like a child hiding in his room.
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parasaurolophus
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Hockey rinks are not terrible for airflow. Any place that is built for crowds will have excellent ventilation, especially if spectators are forbidden.
Malfunctioning ice rinks are terrible for airflow. That's what has historically caused the problems. Running combustion equipment that emits heavier gases in an inside location with a broken ventilation system is of course no good.
top dog
Footballguy
Just found out that a lady who works in our sales office is hospitalized with COVID. Her niece who works in the warehouse has been sent home as a precaution. She has a boat load of health problems has battled and beaten a bunch of cancer. She was 1 month from retiring. I was talking with her a couple weeks ago about it and she was super excited to be able to spend time with her husband. 
We had an outbreak at one of our other facilities early in march. Ended up losing 3 family members of coworkers. Meanwhile, our top brass has scoffed off precautions for this. Totally "Just a flu" guys. Makes no sense. Insisted that our sales staff that was working remotely return because "not everyone can work from home, so we need everyone back". Now we have to see if this turns into another outbreak. These guys work in a 20 x 30 room with like 14 people in it. They have dividers between their desks, but not much else. It's really got me bummed and pissed off at the same time.
My wife and I know 6 people between us that have died. Either directly know or 1 step away (mother, wife, etc. of a coworker). I know at least a dozen people that have had it and recovered. Meanwhile our state legislature and our governor are fighting over what powers he should have to limit. I'll go ##### about that in the PSF, but damn... This whole thing is draining and really has soured my faith in our fellow people. Can't wait for this to be over.
We had an outbreak at one of our other facilities early in march. Ended up losing 3 family members of coworkers. Meanwhile, our top brass has scoffed off precautions for this. Totally "Just a flu" guys. Makes no sense. Insisted that our sales staff that was working remotely return because "not everyone can work from home, so we need everyone back". Now we have to see if this turns into another outbreak. These guys work in a 20 x 30 room with like 14 people in it. They have dividers between their desks, but not much else. It's really got me bummed and pissed off at the same time.
My wife and I know 6 people between us that have died. Either directly know or 1 step away (mother, wife, etc. of a coworker). I know at least a dozen people that have had it and recovered. Meanwhile our state legislature and our governor are fighting over what powers he should have to limit. I'll go ##### about that in the PSF, but damn... This whole thing is draining and really has soured my faith in our fellow people. Can't wait for this to be over.
culdeus
Footballguy
One of the things that is starting to be reported is that the definition of ICU and Hospital is blurring. The "conversion rate" of hospital to ICU and ICU to dead is breaking down, meaning some go straight from "hospital" to dead. This is affecting a few metrics and making it harder to compare hospital districts where there is a more defined "ICU" setting for CV cases for one but not the other..
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I was already kind of a misanthrope to start with, but covid has definitely put a spotlight on some people who I'll never have an ounce of respect for ever again.
beer 30
Footballguy
Man if I could afford to be one of those, I'd live in the middle of North Dakota or Canada with nothing around but my feelings.
The bolded is important. For instance, we've had hockey going on for a while where I live. Some of the adjustments have included policies like "only one family member per child may attend", spectators must wear masks, spectators must social distance, etc.
culdeus
Footballguy
I mentioned it before but my oldest is friends with one of the kids on the hockey team that got overrun with the stuff, and the coach (age 28 former college hockey player) died.
It shook up the whole scene pretty bad. I don't think they even allow spectators anymore and stream the matches on zoom.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/youth-hockey-coach-in-north-texas-dies-from-covid-19/287-b734d1d1-f881-43c8-8293-3feb7e88d07e
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Our Health Department provides tests free of charge on certain days of the week. You should look into it.
mr roboto
Footballguy
It’s gotten to the point for me where if someone thinks this is overblown/no big deal/cure worse than the disease/just a flu I completely write them off on most anything else.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
soothsayer
Footballguy
I'm right there with you. It's become an insta-block for me on social media. Think this is the flu? Blocked. Think this is all Fauci's fault or some conspiracy involving Bill Gates? Blocked. Muh freedoms! Muh rights! Blocked. I'm sorry but that isn't a very high bar - and it makes my feeds so much more tolerable.
Doug B
Footballguy
Are you positive that there are no free COVID testing sites in your area? This is something worth asking around about.
Around here, there are a small number of big, free sites that get a lot of people ... and several smaller free sites that few people know about and this have short lines (if any), easy to get in and out, etc. I am in the suburbs of New Orleans.
mr roboto
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
San Antonio area had been running around 200 new positives a day. Last two days, 483 and 936. No idea what caused the spike (three weeks after Halloween maybe) but, considering this is BEFORE Thanksgiving, it is just scary. We're obviously losing the fight to contain this thing.
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beer 30
Footballguy
Was just reading this on Reddit, interesting comments. This what some of you in the field are seeing as well? Remdesivir isn’t a wonder drug?
https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/jxt2qz/who_rejects_antiviral_drug_remdesivir_as_a_covid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/jxt2qz/who_rejects_antiviral_drug_remdesivir_as_a_covid/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
My wife has told me she is no longer even a little concerned about Covid. She is visiting friends a few times a week. She only wears a mask so that we don’t fight.
Today she says she is open minded about some conspiracy theories that the latest surge is manufactured to push Biden into office.
If I stop posting here at some point, either she killed me or Covid did.
Today she says she is open minded about some conspiracy theories that the latest surge is manufactured to push Biden into office.
If I stop posting here at some point, either she killed me or Covid did.
DropKick
Footballguy
Three of my adult kids, who lead separate lives now, had independent incidents of potential exposure within days of each other. One is positive.. my wife and I quarantined. This went from impacting mostly strangers to the front door very quickly. I'd ask your wife to reevaluate.
beer 30
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DallasDMac
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