ignatiusjreilly
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Based on previous FDA approvals, we can expect the director will sign off on it about a week after the meeting
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (12 Viewers)
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ignatiusjreilly
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Because somehow we've reached a point in this country where efforts to prevent Covid = socialism and efforts to treat Covid = MAGA
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
top dog
Footballguy
Agree 100% on vaccinations being the best way to curb the virus. I am just excited every time I see a promising drug because therapeutics to help keep people from adverse outcomes to go along with the vaccines is a huge win-win for beating this thing.
By the way, you have been an awesome source of info on this board. Some of the posts you shared helped convince my wife who has an autoimmune issue to finally get vaxxed.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Sorry, I was getting FDA/CDC confused. Based on this tweet from the HHS spokesman, it sounds like the entire approval process will take a week. Which would mean kiddie vaccines by the first week in November.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Positivity rates, hospitalizations, and new cases down dramatically in North Florida. Basically lowest rates since surge in late July.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Absolutely. One point Delta has driven home is that we need an all-of-the-above approach to fighting the virus. I'm in favor of any therapeutic that works. They should serve as our second line of defense, after vaccines.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
It does seem like the Delta wave may have already crested, which would be consistent with what we've seen in other countries.
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Insoxicated
Newly discovered biomarker predicts COVID-19 death days in advance
https://newatlas.com/medical/ekg-heart-electrical-activity-predicts-coronavirus-death-mount-sinai/
Could be pretty big
https://newatlas.com/medical/ekg-heart-electrical-activity-predicts-coronavirus-death-mount-sinai/
Could be pretty big
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skol asylum
Footballguy
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR3mGKv3/
Nothing new, but a very straightforward digestible explanation of how the vaccines work against Covid.
Nothing new, but a very straightforward digestible explanation of how the vaccines work against Covid.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yeah, forgive me if I’m not super optimistic about antiviral therapeutics. But outside of HIV and hepatitis C, they’ve been pretty underwhelming. Including remdesivir. Another arrow in the quiver can’t hurt, I guess.Agree 100% on vaccinations being the best way to curb the virus. I am just excited every time I see a promising drug because therapeutics to help keep people from adverse outcomes to go along with the vaccines is a huge win-win for beating this thing.
By the way, you have been an awesome source of info on this board. Some of the posts you shared helped convince my wife who has an autoimmune issue to finally get vaxxed.
It will be really (not) interesting to hear the Big Pharma conspiracies, if the drug turns out to be as good as advertised. And don’t forget about the potential for long term adverse effects from an EUA drug.
Glad I helped influence your wife. I get super frustrated repeating points to posters who remain willfully ignorant, but credit @Doug Bfor reminding me there are people on the sidelines who may benefit.
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Terminalxylem
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That's interesting, and a cheap/easy test.
But it still lacks the sensitivity to change a patient’s level of care in the absence of other findings. And there’s nothing specific therapeutically to be done in a vacuum, beyond preemptively transferring to an ICU bed, which are in short supply many places. In our hospital at least, ICU docs are being anything but proactive, because they’re already overwhelmed and/or burnt out.
I could get on-board if EKGs were used instead of the sh!tload of other blood tests covid patients get routinely, but do next to nothing to influence their care.
TBH, treating covid is pretty straightforward, albeit labor intensive for the sickest patients. Oxygen, dexamethasone, prone ventilation, clot prophylaxis +/- Tylenol and cough meds are all most floor patients need. After that, it’s a crapshoot whether they crash and burn, or recover in a few days.
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ProstheticRGK
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preach.
and agreed the LoQRS isn’t really gonna change outcomes. Neat, cheap trick but I don’t see it being ground-breaking.
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I guess I was thinking more in line with this new wave of therapeutics. Could assist with allocation of scarce or "risky" interventions, but your point is absolutely made regarding lack of current treatment options.
I’m sure some will get a kick out of the interesting way that my company’s HR department is handling COVID quarantine. A few weeks ago my co-worker was sick with what turned out to be a sinus infection. She tested negative but was forced to quarantine for 10 despite the test results and being fully vaccinated.
On Thursday she calls to let us know that her niece who she lives with tested positive before a surgery but no one had symptoms. HRs response this time - cleared to go back to work and not even asked to get tested. I’m very happy because we’re busier than we ever have been and have no one to replace her, but neither response seems right.
On Thursday she calls to let us know that her niece who she lives with tested positive before a surgery but no one had symptoms. HRs response this time - cleared to go back to work and not even asked to get tested. I’m very happy because we’re busier than we ever have been and have no one to replace her, but neither response seems right.
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Vaccinated folks less likely to infect others?
Pfizer : 65% less likely
Astrozenica: 36% less likely
Study: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
Pfizer : 65% less likely
Astrozenica: 36% less likely
Study: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
IvanKaramazov
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Seems obvious, but this has become a red-blue thing so . . .ignatiusjreilly said:
rockaction
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It's been so amazing and disheartening to watch. I knew we were tribal, but I honestly didn't know it was that bad. We're talking basic stuff, and we can't agree on it.
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I’ve been getting more people coming in to get vaccinated who tell me they ‘really didn’t want to get this shot’. Part of me wants to ask them why but the smart part of me doesn’t ask because I know they don’t have a good answer and nothing good would come from the question.
The other extreme isn’t great either. Some of the behavior I’ve seen from the booster seekers has disheartening. We had to stop booster walk-ins because we were so overwhelmed that we couldn’t do our job safely. The reaction from some has been so nasty and aggressive that I don’t even know how to respond.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Back during the whole Kaepernick/Trump stuff in 2018, I saw a tweet from a comedian that said something like “I can’t believe liberals got football in the divorce.” That’s kind of how I feel about Covid response. The left got vaccines and masks, the right got therapeutics. I suppose one could explore the core philosophical differences in our political system to explain how we got to this point, but it mostly just feels like someone arbitrarily divvied up assets
ignatiusjreilly
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My general experience with HR throughout my career has been that they often prioritize bureaucratic initiatives at the expense of common sense
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So my oldest (7) started having a sore throat and cough Saturday afternoon. Added sever congestion and a low-grade fever yesterday. So off to the doctor today, where they will also do a covid test . . . .
He hasn't been anywhere but school, where they wear masks except lunch, recess, and snack. They did have "Olympics" last week so were outside playing games unmasked for longer. He also played with neighborhood kids outside during the week -- trampoline, running around etc.
He hasn't been anywhere but school, where they wear masks except lunch, recess, and snack. They did have "Olympics" last week so were outside playing games unmasked for longer. He also played with neighborhood kids outside during the week -- trampoline, running around etc.
worrierking
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Some interesting thoughts on the 8-week surge pattern: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/briefing/delta-peak-covid-caseload.html
It's paywalled, so here's the upshot:
"Since the Covid virus began spreading in late 2019 cases have often surged for about two months — sometimes because of a variant, like Delta — and then declined for about two months.
Epidemiologists do not understand why. Many popular explanations, like seasonality or the ebbs and flows of social distancing, are clearly insufficient, if not wrong. The two-month cycle has occurred during different seasons of the year and occurred even when human behavior was not changing in obvious ways.
The most plausible explanations involve some combination of virus biology and social networks. Perhaps each virus variant is especially likely to infect some people but not others — and once many of the most vulnerable have been exposed, the virus recedes. And perhaps a variant needs about two months to circulate through an average-sized community.
Human behavior does play a role, with people often becoming more careful once caseloads begin to rise. But social distancing is not as important as public discussion of the virus often imagines. "We've ascribed far too much human authority over the virus," as Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Minnesota, has told me."
It's paywalled, so here's the upshot:
"Since the Covid virus began spreading in late 2019 cases have often surged for about two months — sometimes because of a variant, like Delta — and then declined for about two months.
Epidemiologists do not understand why. Many popular explanations, like seasonality or the ebbs and flows of social distancing, are clearly insufficient, if not wrong. The two-month cycle has occurred during different seasons of the year and occurred even when human behavior was not changing in obvious ways.
The most plausible explanations involve some combination of virus biology and social networks. Perhaps each virus variant is especially likely to infect some people but not others — and once many of the most vulnerable have been exposed, the virus recedes. And perhaps a variant needs about two months to circulate through an average-sized community.
Human behavior does play a role, with people often becoming more careful once caseloads begin to rise. But social distancing is not as important as public discussion of the virus often imagines. "We've ascribed far too much human authority over the virus," as Michael Osterholm, an infectious-disease expert at the University of Minnesota, has told me."
The Commish
Footballguy
Told ya the pill was coming. merck is beating pfizer to the punch.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You will NEVER prevent this. Molnupiravir (Merckmectin) is about to be phased in as I told you all. Oh, look at that fauci is praising it AND is a protease inhibitor.
Guess you guys will be taking the 'horse paste' after all.
This kind of stuff is better received in the PSF. Here, we deal with reality and the reality is Ivermectin is a SIGNIFICANTLY different drug from Molnupiravir. You can look at the fact that Ivermectin is an approach to neurotransmitters in the body while Molnupiravir is an attempt to genetically modify the virus. If you are under the impression they are remotely similar, you are wrong.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
https://nypost.com/2021/10/04/bridgerton-emmy-winner-marc-pilcher-dead-at-53-of-covid-19/
Scary another vaxxed person dying of covid
Scary another vaxxed person dying of covid
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That is scary. How many "healthy" people who get the flu shot, die from the flu yearly?
Fishboy
Footballguy
RIP mom. I'll miss you dearly.
Double vaxxed many months ago. Started with what she said was a cold, as I've been vaccinated. Last Monday both her and her husband test positive and mom admitted with low oxygen levels.
Both pneumonia and covid pneumonia by Wednesday.
She refused the ventilator, so tried everything up until that point.
At least they allowed my step dad to be there with her even though he was positive as well to hold her hand when she passed.
Eff this sickness. Selfishly I wished it was stroke, heart attack, etc. Anything except cancer as she would have suffered much longer.
Love ya mom. Take care of granny and my sister. I'll see you someday, just hope not soon.
Double vaxxed many months ago. Started with what she said was a cold, as I've been vaccinated. Last Monday both her and her husband test positive and mom admitted with low oxygen levels.
Both pneumonia and covid pneumonia by Wednesday.
She refused the ventilator, so tried everything up until that point.
At least they allowed my step dad to be there with her even though he was positive as well to hold her hand when she passed.
Eff this sickness. Selfishly I wished it was stroke, heart attack, etc. Anything except cancer as she would have suffered much longer.
Love ya mom. Take care of granny and my sister. I'll see you someday, just hope not soon.
OMG so sorry for your loss. Hearing more and more if these stories of fully vaxxed people dying from covid.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Why Are Americans Still—Still!—Posting About Wearing Cloth Masks?Maybe they are ugly and don’t want to show their face.
Doug B
Footballguy
From that link:
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And there is still much to learn about the effectiveness of masking. Even the most rigorous studies on masking have limitations, said Osterholm, largely because of shortcomings in their methodology. Cloth masks are less protective than surgical masks, but exactly how much less remains uncertain. Roger Chou, an epidemiologist at Oregon Health & Science University who tracks mask studies, told me in an email that he “really has not found much evidence” on the effectiveness of cloth versus surgical masks in stopping the spread of COVID-19 in communities, even though he said that plenty of other data back up their effectiveness. The most important thing, Chou said, “is to wear a mask, whether it is a surgical mask or cloth mask.”
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Sides of the mouth, researchers: pick one.
I'll maintain that cloth masks (a) worn consistently over the nose (b) without big gaps under the eyes or at the sides ... cloth masks like that protect well enough. I can see occupational needs for *95s (e.g. public-facing workers), but not for grocery-getting, in-and-out retail, or general errand-running..
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Not sure if this was a typo but yeah - I’ve been harping on the mask debate for months now. It’s dumb but I guess I think it’s dumb because I understand both sides of the “debate” - the idea of something is better than nothing and it’s a courtesy versus it being such a (relatively) small risk increase. I also think it annoys me because around here it’s not even a debate any more - we ditched masking a while back and unless there’s a much worse variant than Delta I don’t see things ever changing.
top dog
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Unfotunately, as a greater percentage of Americans get vaccinated, we will have more of these sotries that hit closer to home
Major
Footballguy
Major
Footballguy
Yep. It could happen to any of us and our loved ones who are trying to do the right thing. I'm really sorry for loss Fishboy.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Kids are not going to wear an N95 or KN95 all day. Is it worth getting them to wear surgical over cloth though?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Because a bunch of Americans still think cloth masks help.gianmarco said:
This is no different than saying why do americans still post about vaccines?
We know vaccines work and we want people to listen.
I know cloth masks are just for virtue signaling or avoiding conflict and I want people to upgrade and not kill granny.
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