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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)

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AAABatteries said:
I was quoting somebody - IK maybe but I'll answer.  For me it's probably easiest to just say those that are back to doing most of what they did prior to Covid.  I'm not counting having to wear a mask to an event.  Also, I consider my life mostly back to normal although I now WFH full time.  I guess other may not agree with that but they also opened our office so I could go in if I wanted.

I mean, there's definitely a list of things I either don't do or are cautious about that wasn't a consideration before.  Example, we have to cancel/postpone some Christmas events when my wife caught Covid mid-December.  If she had had the Flu for example, we wouldn't have been quite as cautious with the quarantine period.
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I did tons of things in 2020 and 2021 that I did prior to covid. My son played little league and travel baseball. We went on vacation with other families 2 times. In summer of 2020, I went to parties indoors and outdoors without masks. I dunno. I guess Ive never really been scared of COVID (if I didnt make that obvious from all my posts from the beginning). I wore masks when asked to. I got vaxxed when elgibile, boosted when eligible. My son has winter workouts tomorrow with his team. Hes going to that. We had people over for XMas Eve and Xmas Day. I didnt care who was vaxxed or unvaxxed. I didnt ask people to get tested. If I wasnt scared of COVID in 2020, why would I be scared of it in 2021? Heck my wife and son may have even got covid from my nephew from XMas Day and instead of standing on line for 4 hours to get tested, we did the right thing and stayed home for 5 days. Both are fine now.

I did everything society has asked me to. Yeah I whine about it on these boards because I think some of it is overboard and hypocritical (COVID only comes out at 10pm, you can catch covid walking to your table so you have to wear your mask but once your sitting down you can take it off, vaccine mandates for kids to enter restaurants, the movies, play sports, when covid is less dangerous to them than the flu, people baking mail, people saying "listen to your doctor" unless its something they dont agree, etc, etc).

That doesnt make me the bad guy no matter how everyone wants to paint me. Heck I got lambasted for going to a ####### bagel store to grab breakfast during the initial lockdown. So yeah, nothing has really changed for me pre-covid vs post covid except working from home. I feel really badly for those in healthcare but Ive done everything society has asked of me during 2020 and 2021 and yes Im ready to move on and have.

 
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Man my place of business is on the ropes with positives and exposures. This is the worst week for us the entire pandemic other than when we were totally shut down early on. This is the first time we have legitimately been considering reduced hours/days open. One more shoe drops with key staff and we are at that point. The ones that remain are stretched thin. Good side is most of this is simply quarantines/mild symptoms but we have a few that I would say are into the legitmately seriously ill category.   

 
jobarules said:
I did tons of things in 2020 and 2021 that I did prior to covid. My son played little league and travel baseball. We went on vacation with other families 2 times. In summer of 2020, I went to parties indoors and outdoors without masks. I dunno. I guess Ive never really been scared of COVID (if I didnt make that obvious from all my posts from the beginning). I wore masks when asked to. I got vaxxed when elgibile, boosted when eligible. My son has winter workouts tomorrow with his team. Hes going to that. We had people over for XMas Eve and Xmas Day. I didnt care who was vaxxed or unvaxxed. I didnt ask people to get tested. If I wasnt scared of COVID in 2020, why would I be scared of it in 2021? Heck my wife and son may have even got covid from my nephew from XMas Day and instead of standing on line for 4 hours to get tested, we did the right thing and stayed home for 5 days. Both are fine now.

I did everything society has asked me to. Yeah I whine about it on these boards because I think some of it is overboard and hypocritical (COVID only comes out at 10pm, you can catch covid walking to your table so you have to wear your mask but once your sitting down you can take it off, vaccine mandates for kids to enter restaurants, the movies, play sports, when covid is less dangerous to them than the flu, people baking mail, people saying "listen to your doctor" and then when the doctor unless its something they dont agree, etc, etc).

That doesnt make me the bad guy no matter how everyone wants to paint me. Heck I got lambasted for going to a ####### bagel store to grab breakfast during the initial lockdown. So yeah, nothing has really changed for me pre-covid vs post covid except working from home. I feel really badly for those in healthcare but Ive done everything society has asked of me during 2020 and 2021 and yes Im ready to move on and have.
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As someone else pointed out - the issue isn't somebody doing this in the micro - it's when we have so many people in the macro doing this AND having a ton of people still not vaccinated.  Unfortunately, it adds up to overwhelmed healthcare and frazzled medical professionals.  Those are the places and people that take care of all of us when we get something other than Covid.

 
My youngest kid got a - pcr back today so sent her in.  Test wait times are about 4 days here, rest of her school group is just going full yolo as waiting for a test (If you tell) puts you out of school.  Oldest doesn't have test back.

I had a strange symptom I didn't see anywhere, didn't poop for four days.  Not sure if that was related or just do to a crappy diet, not pooping for 24hrs is really unusual.  I'll throw at least a couple double headers a week.  

Caused my weight to balloon up about 4 pounds, thought of the YouTube poop guy.  

 
-fish- said:
How do you deal with the bolded?   Just stay home until someone gets a shipment?   I went to every pharmacy within 10 miles of me and none had a test.   There is no drive-through testing available anywhere near me.   If I want a test I have to go to urgent care or the ER, which seems like an unnecessary risk of exposure and a waste of resources.

Once it is practical for everyone to get a test,  they should add the requirement.   For now, it's just not workable.  
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Then they shouldn't have reduced the quarantine from 10 days to 5 days just yet.  Wait until the day late and dollar short 500 million free covid test program was up and running.

Testing has been an abysmal failure by both presidential administrations.  

 
-fish- said:
So your post was intentionally disingenuous, but you're upset a for getting called out for making a disingenuous post.

The problem here isn't the multiple people who all read your post the same way.
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Am I the only one laughing at seeing "Maggot Brain" liking this post?

When even Maggot Brain is on the other side, you might want to re-think your position.

No offense to the actual Maggot Brain, I'm sure your an Erudite. 

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
I'm just trying to understand, man. I have one poster saying that Omicron is bad because it's filling up the hospitals and another saying that it's Delta and Omicron hasn't really hit the hospitals yet. 

And I also think I'm being told that if I'm ever going to encounter another human being that I better get tested beforehand. 

And then you read things about masks not mattering but then iFriends that I generally like say that it's madness to not wear one. 

And then it's the unvaccinated that are causing the problem but then breakthrough cases, rare though they are - or are they? - can also spread the disease. So then vaccines work, but they don't work. And if they do "work" you should still wear masks to prevent the spread even though it doesn't REALLY prevent it, just slows it. Maybe. Until Omicron, where it seems that there's no reasonable plan that can be enacted before it just runs its course. 

This is starting to feel like the debates I have with my religious friends that usually end up with "Well you just have to start with the decision that you believe and then have faith." It shouldn't really be a surprise to realize people that don't make a living being in the middle of this thing just end up turning the volume down. 

I was just fine not being in this thread and I'm going to return to that. I'm sorry that I can't get closer to your "side" as you seem to be a generally reasonable person - as are most. But this whole thing has made people entrench so it's not really worth the tut-tutting anymore.
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first and responded with what I think is a pretty balanced post. But, as others have said, you then followed up with more posts which certainly seem disingenuous.

Take a look at the 2 posters that have agreed with you and the several who have not, that should give you a hint on which side you're on...

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Then they shouldn't have reduced the quarantine from 10 days to 5 days just yet.  Wait until the day late and dollar short 500 million free covid test program was up and running.

Testing has been an abysmal failure by both presidential administrations.  
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Why are you testing asymptomatic people with highly effective vaccines that require no medical care?  

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Then they shouldn't have reduced the quarantine from 10 days to 5 days just yet.  Wait until the day late and dollar short 500 million free covid test program was up and running.

Testing has been an abysmal failure by both presidential administrations.  
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Both administrations were good at getting the tests to the market.   Neither was good at getting them to the people.   I agree that both missed the boat on what an important tool testing is to understand and limit spread.    

 
humpback said:
I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first and responded with what I think is a pretty balanced post. But, as others have said, you then followed up with more posts which certainly seem disingenuous.

Take a look at the 2 posters that have agreed with you and the several who have not, that should give you a hint on which side you're on...
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Why are there sides? This is the problem

 
-fish- said:
Matsuki made the same argument a few pages back.   I suggest you read those posts rather than waste everyone's time doing it again.    
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People in here seem to be not following the CDC guidelines. It's important to remind them, apparently.

 
Biff84 said:
https://twitter.com/ladydoctorsays/status/1478572203947937794?s=21
 

A video I think we can all enjoy right now.
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Mrs. SLB is RN and this is spot on.  It's frustrating and was particularity upsetting when I knew I had cancer.  My team said it would be crossing the streams "bad" if I got Covid.  Her place shut down for a whole 2 weeks in March 2020 and was told my diagnosis wasn't a good enough reason to be furloughed although they did furlough some of the RN's which again, was frustrating.

The good news is she has taken a second job at a hospital making an insane amount of money.  It of course is horrible what all of us are going through but that extra cash has been a blessing after all of the medical bills. 

Stay safe my friends!

 
humpback said:
I gave you the benefit of the doubt at first and responded with what I think is a pretty balanced post. But, as others have said, you then followed up with more posts which certainly seem disingenuous.

Take a look at the 2 posters that have agreed with you and the several who have not, that should give you a hint on which side you're on...
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Stop acting like I submitted a dissertation. Jeepers. 

I will, however, say that I probably overreacted to you "what's your point" line. I thought I was just asking for clarification on what appeared to be two conflicting viewpoints (of what was causing an overflow/whatever in the hospitals). It felt like you were challenging me and maybe you weren't. I should have just left it at "I'm just trying to understand, man."  But who knows where that would have gone. :shrug:

 
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Courtjester said:
Of course, this is the same place that, when they would run low on teachers and subs, they just take the affected classes and put them all in the library. So you will have three or four different classes all packed together with either the librarian or one teacher supervising--which basically just means keep the volume down on your Tik Toks. 
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This kind of thing is happening everywhere now.  There are major shortages for teachers and subs.

 
This thread goes in waves.  Informative, real useful info.  Then pissing contests and he-said she-said posts that usually force me to add another ignore list entry.  
 

*sigh* hmmm, maybe that is what ends the wave now that I think about it. 

 
Was just on a zoom call with people I am supposed to meet in Florida at the end of the month.  Two out of eight people had active covid -- maybe that is good for my trip or indicative of how their workplace is going . . . . 

 
Sputnikv8 said:
This thread goes in waves.  Informative, real useful info.  Then pissing contests and he-said she-said posts that usually force me to add another ignore list entry.  
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It's because the main COVID thread in the Politics Forum was locked a few weeks ago.

 
Doug B said:
It's because the main COVID thread in the Politics Forum was locked a few weeks ago.
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I don't really see the last couple of pages being political - the problem is associating these positions to politics, even if it's accurate.

ETA - I do agree the Covid thread in the PSF should be opened back up though

 
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Probably a bad sign: my wife and I got Covid-19 boosters at Walgreens this morning.  Everything went smoothly.  Went back at 4pm for my daughter's appointment and there was a sign on the door "store is temporarily closed"

 
There used to be a lot more of these types of posts in this thread back in March-April 2020:
 

Sundance cancels in-person film festival due to virus surge (AP, 1/5/2022)

Just two weeks before it was to be held in Park City, Utah, the Sundance Film Festival is canceling its in-person festival and reverting to an entirely virtual edition due to the current coronavirus surge.
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I remember a lot of reaction here when South by Southwest in Austin, TX cancelled in 2020. They've held an online event instead the past two years. The next festival is supposed to be live starting March 11, 2022.

 
zoobird said:
Probably a bad sign: my wife and I got Covid-19 boosters at Walgreens this morning.  Everything went smoothly.  Went back at 4pm for my daughter's appointment and there was a sign on the door "store is temporarily closed"
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Maybe it was for some other reason. JK. It wasn’t. Hoping the best for your family. 

 
Is Omicron as dangerous?  No.  However, it's more contagious.  Therefore, more people will get it.  Therefore, it's going to cause a lot of hospitalizations. 

Hence, bad

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Okay, why ARE they there if it's Omicron and no risk factors? 
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This Covid has stuck with me for about 15 days.  Voice screwed up and six hours of work is taxing to the point I want a nap.  Nothing serious but damn it's hanging on.

Dezbelief said:
Purely anecdotal, has anyone else noticed it seems like females are catching Omicron easier than men? There's been a few cases in my family and friends where one female in a household tested positive but nobody else did. The doctor in one case assumed the female had Omicron, but there was no sequencing. 

Delta already burned through here and cases had bottomed out. 
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This bout all the males in the household got it and none of the females.  All vaxxed but not boosted.

 
For what it's worth, I'll just throw this out there.

The resident doctors I talk to who rotate through the ICUs tell me basically every covid patient is unvaxxed.

I wonder what the numbers are right now on new people going into healthcare.  I cant imagine the numbers are going UP

 
ghostguy123 said:
Is Omicron as dangerous?  No.  However, it's more contagious.  Therefore, more people will get it.  Therefore, it's going to cause a lot of hospitalizations. 

Hence, bad
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we hit 1,000,000 infections in a day.   it's both shocking and heartbreaking that there are people that can't understand why that's bad.

 
jobarules said:
Bad for hospitals, not individuals 
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What?  Don’t individuals need hospital care, whether for covid or not?  My wife’s aunt has been unconscious in a hospital for a month now at one of the better healthcare systems in the country. And her care has been subpar. They discovered a mass on her lung and the biopsy took almost a week to perform. The oncologist couldn’t see her for days. All the while the alleged encephalitis went untreated because they had to wait on the cancer diagnosis. And now she has been unconscious for so long that the tools used now to bring her out of it may not be effective. Because of the delays caused by covid. She was supposed to get a tracheotomy yesterday, but that got delayed because of staff issues.  Oh and now she caught covid at the hospital and is getting chemo at the same time somehow. 
 

But yea, total hospital problems and not individuals. 

 
jobarules said:
Bad for hospitals, not individuals 
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Well let's see.

Since you are way more likely to get it, I would say it's bad for individuals.  Also, there are more negative things about having Covid other than dying.

For YOU specifically, if you need legit medical care for ANY reason, it will be bad for you individually.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Well let's see.

Since you are way more likely to get it, I would say it's bad for individuals.  Also, there are more negative things about having Covid other than dying.

For YOU specifically, if you need legit medical care for ANY reason, it will be bad for you individually.
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You, yourself said it's not dangerous so how is that bad for individuals. 

Yes, if I happen to need a hospital in the next month, I agree that would be bad. How often do you people goto the hospital? I haven't been to a hospital in 5 years. I'm not gonna sit here and worry about such a rare event in my life.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
What?  Don’t individuals need hospital care, whether for covid or not?  My wife’s aunt has been unconscious in a hospital for a month now at one of the better healthcare systems in the country. And her care has been subpar. They discovered a mass on her lung and the biopsy took almost a week to perform. The oncologist couldn’t see her for days. All the while the alleged encephalitis went untreated because they had to wait on the cancer diagnosis. And now she has been unconscious for so long that the tools used now to bring her out of it may not be effective. Because of the delays caused by covid. She was supposed to get a tracheotomy yesterday, but that got delayed because of staff issues.  Oh and now she caught covid at the hospital and is getting chemo at the same time somehow. 
 

But yea, total hospital problems and not individuals. 
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Where do you live that hospitals have been in such trouble for a month?

 
So why does the US make up 1/5 of the world's covid cases?  More testing?  Better reporting?  More social interaction?

We've had 5x more cases today than China has had in two years.

 
C'mon, joba. That response is a just a repaint of "If you can't address all problems, why address this one?"

And yeah ... a lot of people DO go to hospitals frequently, as a matter of fact. As patients, caregivers, support staff, and visitors. Consider yourself blessed and don't take it for granted.

 
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C'mon, joba. That response is a just a repaint of "If you can't address all problems, why address this one?"

And yeah ... a lot of people DO go to hospitals frequently, as a matter of fact. As patients, caregivers, support staff, and visitors. Consider yourself blessed and don't take it for granted.
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it's good to get people to post takes like that...so others can figure out who to take seriously.   

 
Doug B said:
C'mon, joba. That response is a just a repaint of "If you can't address all problems, why address this one?"

And yeah ... a lot of people DO go to hospitals frequently, as a matter of fact. As patients, caregivers, support staff, and visitors. Consider yourself blessed and don't take it for granted.
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Who said anything about addressing the problem?

 
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