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Sure it has. 90% of hospitalization and death is coming from the 30% of people who are unvaccinated. This is pretty simple math to follow.
Whats the rate for people that have had a previous infection but haven't been vaccinated?
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Im no Scientologist, but I'd hazard a guess they'd be in the "unvaccinated" cohort if they were not vaccinated, and in the "vaccinated" cohort had they been vaccinated.
Simple math is where I live.
And? In January 2020 That was the observed CFR. Obviously that changed for the better here since, well, this has been a novel virus.
What exactly are you trying to victory lap here? Literally nobody said that a poorly fitting mask is better than a well-fitted mask.
Idk, seems like there might be a difference between the two and the number would be interesting.
It feels like there's been a lot of really weird dunking going on the last couple of days. Between this, the thing about natural immunity, and the thing about vaccines not being sterilizing, I'm seeing a lot of people saying "I told you so" to folks who never disagreed with them in the first place.nysfl2 said:
Yes, in comparison to what they would have been if vaccines didn’t exist.
Interestingly enough, ignored posts tend to cluster in threads. Think of a group of ignored posts as the equivalent of one of GG’s.OK GG is the first legit argument I have seen for ignore.
Otherwise - it isn't so much noble or manly. Certainly more mature.
It implies random posters on a fantasy football message board subforum can get to you.
My wife got a surprise call from the Sister a little bit ago. Mom is now OFF THE VENT TODAY! I'm confused a bit on the timing of the information I'm getting.. Not sure how we went from they were going to try to take her off next week (last night's news) to she is off today, but WE WILL TAKE IT! Apparently she improved enough.
Still in ICU, still not all the way out of the woods but BREATHING ON YOUR OWN is something to be celebrated for sure!
My wife received a picture of the baby with the sister at home last night and she is anxiously awaiting a photo of the mom off the vent today. I can't even begin to convey how excited my wife is at this news.
There was nothing wrong with suggesting masks be well fitted - I suspect the CDC knew this as well, but chose to keep the message simple, to avoid overwhelming their intended audience.
Thanks for the updates and great ending to a scary story.Timeline of events with this young mother....
Dec 20 confirmed with COVID
Dec 26 admitted to the hospital
Dec 28 baby is born via emergency c-section / mom ends up on ventilator following delivery
Dec 28 - Jan 11 Mom is on vent, transferred to a different hospital and is close to ECMO treatment at one point
Jan 12 - Mom makes it off the vent
Jan 23 - MOM HOLDS HER NEWBORN BABY FOR THE FIRST TIME AS SHE GETS TO GO HOME!!!
My wife shared with me the photo of mom holding her tiny daughter. It got a little dusty here for a minute. I don't know this girl like my wife does but her back story and day to day updates pulled me into her world and I haven't been so happy to see someone pull through some BS as I have this young girl.
What a strange virus this thing can be. What a roller coaster of emotions. Thanks everyone for your wishes and prayers as I shared in this thread. This mom's story is a testament to how much better we've gotten at fighting this thing. I truly believe that in 2020 mom wouldn't have made it.
Feel free to go back to our regularly scheduled programming of mask debates and whether NI or vax immunity is better, but maybe just for a moment this update on this young woman will provide a feel good moment when those moments seem to be at a premium in our world.
The whole "comparing to Nazi" thing ran it's course with me a long time ago. If you play that card, I kinda tune you out whether it's this or politics or the bake sale on the corner. Just don't do it.
Hoping that most new variants-of-concern in the near future continue to evolve on Omicron's genetic platform and that they consistently outcompete other variants. This way, the Omicron-specific vaccines in development will get us a longer-lasting boost in efficacy over the 2020 vaccines.
If you want to compare China to Nazi Germany based on their treatment of the Uyghurs, that's fine. Otherwise there is nothing that compares to Nazism. Certainly not vaccination.
While I don't disagree. It's going to be tough to expect people to isolate/quarantine for 5 days if the are positive with mild symptoms.
The thing that really stood out to me...
One change I'd like to see movement on is the issue of hospital capacity, specifically increasing hospital capacity.
I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of, "don't mind the man behind the curtain". A nice gesture but will it change anything at this point? If you're not wearing a mask now, receiving a free one from the government is going to change your mind now? If you are wearing a mask, good for you but to @matuski's point, N95's need to be fitted to be effective. If they aren't then you're wearing a cloth mask equivalent.
I read your stuff and listened. Still decided a cloth mask was much better than no mask at all. But was never under the illusion, after you made your point, that it was as good as an N95 mask. And I think, if you go back through the thread, you might have implied that other masks were pretty useless, which isn't the case -- or so it would seem.
We can agree to disagree here. I wear a tighter mask with filters and keep my distance from others. I don't chin strap it, or pull it down, or remove it, or haphazardly throw it on like some do. I think that may have helped me get through this so far.
And to a lesser point, how can hospitals fire unvaxxed nurses when so many nurses resigned due to burnout of the last two years and we are still in a pandemic?
Sounds reasonable, but how would you suggest we go about implementing such a plan?
Seems to me the real driver of availale beds is staff, not equipment. We are running our staff collectively into the dirt. Hard to see why anyone would readily volunteer for service where the patients and families themselves are obtuse and abusive. Not to mention the long hours, exposure to disease etc.
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This is another facet of the pandemic that, to me, goes under the radar but is absolutely a drain on people.
