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A million vaccinated Americans have not died from covid.
Right. I feel like nobody tests now and if people are positive via at-home test, they aren’t bothering to go get a pcr unless required for work or travel. All of the stats have that caveat that the numbers do NOT include at-home tests, even if those results were reported to their local health department.
Kind of like calling it a cold for the vaccinated, when a #### ton more vaccinated people have died from covid than from a cold.
And it’s completely discounting that unvaccinated people exist and are still at risk. As do immunocompromised people, the elderly and those with high risk health conditions. I might not be any of those things, but I sure do know people who are and if they get COVID and die or have serious health complications, that’s still going to be hard to handle.
Right. And this is what most people mean when they say it's finally over. Zero mandates and we can go back to living life as normal without forced restrictions. If we choose to.
There are people like that but I think there are also a lot of people that believe there are enough precautions in place for people that have a higher risk (vaccine, mask up, social distance, etc) that at some point those people do have to take responsibility for their well being without making other people go out of their way.
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So people who "choose" to live life "as normal" don't have an increased likelihood of being vectors to keep the virus circulating more widely?
No worries mate. The CDC has a color coded system and my county is green. It also appears our governor is being a little extra cautious and is behind the CDC by a couple weeks. We should be all good. Dare I say, it's over?
it's "over" in certain areas until the next variant that requires additional institutional safeguards.
Over.... for NOW, for your area?
Cheers mate and cheers to hoping that type of variant doesn't prop up. I'm just glad people are coming around to the idea that it may be over, the pitchforks were coming out there for a minute.
Like everything with this... it's not black or white. It "may" be "over" for now, in some areas.
There’s a huge difference between ‘may be over’ and ‘it’s over’ followed by defending that position with downplaying deaths because it’s mainly unvaccinated people.
Good point, you're exactly right. Especially all the changes the CDC has made since the peak of Omicron. I don't think there is any way they walk all that back, no putting that genie back in the bottle. That's the real reason this is over.
We still have mask mandates for at least one more week. And we're in the green according to the CDC now.
Vaccine mandates have lost their benefits with Omicron. With breakthrough infections much more common, they no longer significantly slow the spread. Yes I want everyone to get vaccinated but I think we’re past the point we can compel anyone to get vaccinated. I was a supporter of the mandates but Omicron has changed that. If future boosters prove more effective in decreasing transmission, then vaccine mandates will make sense again.
That's kind of where I'm headed as well. Will Leitch had a column in last week's NYMag that summed up my feelings pretty well: At this point, imposing a vaccine mandate on someone like Kyrie is really only about punishing him for being a jagoff, and while that's certainly an understandable motivation, it's not really the basis for sound public policy.Biff84 said:
I read it.Looks like the anti-vaxx crazies have a new study to misinterpret. Curious what guys like @Terminalxylem think of this. In Vivo not in vitro. Naturally they're trying to take a victory lap on the "alters your DNA" conspiracy
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm
I think everyone is focused on Ukraine. Looks like cases are falling quickly. That's a very good thing. We aren't at last summer's low yet though. Just have to hope another variant worst than the last doesn't pop up.
It’s a good thing until it’s not. One thing to keep an eye on is the funding from Congress. Apparently the funds used to make the vaccine free and purchase therapeutics are running low and they need to ask for more. Hopefully it’s not an issue and just gets approved without a fight. No matter how ‘over’ you think it is, it’s still better to have this at our disposal rather than deal with shortages when we need them.nirad3 said:
I read a blurb a few days ago suggesting the administration was looking for something like $20B that has not yet been passed? It is important we don't get caught out when the next variant arises like we were for testing of Omicron.
As some of us have been saying since the vaccines were available, the vaccines have saved untold lives and will allow us to get back to normal very soon.
It's probably the same people that wear them alone in the car or walking outside by themselves.
I've noticed this too, and to be honest have become one of those people, at least when masks are required. I've been spending a lot of times in airports / on planes and I am kinda just over the whole mask thing.UOFI_316 said:
You chin diaper where masks are not mandated? I get being over it where they are not mandated (I'm there too). But, what was described by the OP (practices in places where they are not required) almost sounds like a protest-wearing just to protest-wear. They just can't quit being provocative.
Unsurprising that you've not been challenged. Most people are uncomfortable having to police what other people are doing.I likely misread the post I was replying to. I poke my nose out so I can breathe better when it IS mandated. Like at an airport. If someone tells me to wear it "right", then I apologize and say I didn't realize it had fallen down a bit.
No one's told me to yet, though. And I took 3 business trips in the past 3 weeks, so plenty of airport / airplane time.
That's awesome. I just follow guidelines and mandates, and haven't put society in the position of policing me or ever once thought I was going to suffocate.
I decided at some point in late 2020 that I was just going to stop getting mad at other people's mask choices. But I gotta say, there's something about "d##k-nose" that really bothers me. I think you nailed it: If you're going to make the effort to wear a mask, at least cover up the most important body part.UOFI_316 said:
Yeah, I was referring to places where the mask is not mandated. You want to wear it because you or someone you have close contact with has underlying health issues and are being super careful, go for it. You don't want to wear it because you got all your shots or you don't believe the masks do anything, cool. But at this point in a non mandated area, there is 0 reason to wear it wrong.I likely misread the post I was replying to. I poke my nose out so I can breathe better when it IS mandated. Like at an airport. If someone tells me to wear it "right", then I apologize and say I didn't realize it had fallen down a bit.
No one's told me to yet, though. And I took 3 business trips in the past 3 weeks, so plenty of airport / airplane time.
If it's really just a recommendation (and not a prohibition, like the one the FDA is currently enforcing on kids under 5), this seems pretty reasonable. I haven't looked at any data beyond just what's been reported in the news, but it sounds like the benefit to vaccinating children, especially young children, is pretty sketchy. Considering that this is an age group that isn't really affected by covid anyway, it's probably best not to make this one a big sticking point.
