Rayderr
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I think last year that was because one of the Kodiak's camera crew got seriously seasick and had to be returned to port.
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He told Josh in the wheelhouse but he didn't talk to Jake yet, as far as I know...
Foosball God
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JaxBill
Footballguy
He quit but then wasn't he back working the next episode?@ the greenhorn who quit after 2 hours.
Foosball God
Foos
He said he wanted to quit but I think he decided to grow some hard bark and try again. At the end of the last episode he quit because his hands and wrists were sore.He quit but then wasn't he back working the next episode?
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Phil would not be pleased.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Interesting inteview with the erstwhile captain of the Cornelia Marie including some possible future spoilers.
http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/05/seaside_captain_faces_a_mutiny.html
Mario Kart
Footballguy
What happened exactly? Spoiler tags are good
BigJohn
Footballguy
http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/index.ssf/2011/05/seaside_captain_faces_a_mutiny.html
Great interview. I know a producers can edit and change perception a lot, but the Harris boys just never really fit in with the other fishermen. They just always seemed to be overwhelmed. Jake is a disaster and Josh is overcompensating for losing Phil. I feel sorry for Josh. He was in way over his head, and dealing with losing his Father and helping an addict brother is more than he can handle.The combination of the CM and Derek just never seemed to mesh. I have a feeling a lot got edited out because the way they showed it, Derek comes off as the good guy, but what concerns me is Freddie also said he would quit. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would do something like that unless he had a really good reason.
JaxBill
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dino259
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Great interview. I know a producers can edit and change perception a lot, but the Harris boys just never really fit in with the other fishermen. They just always seemed to be overwhelmed. Jake is a disaster and Josh is overcompensating for losing Phil. I feel sorry for Josh. He was in way over his head, and dealing with losing his Father and helping an addict brother is more than he can handle.The combination of the CM and Derek just never seemed to mesh. I have a feeling a lot got edited out because the way they showed it, Derek comes off as the good guy, but what concerns me is Freddie also said he would quit. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would do something like that unless he had a really good reason.I think Freddie is just that loyal to the harris family and crew. I think Jake just crushed the moral of the entire boat. Whining that this is costing us money. No kidding. It is like that every season. I think Phil did a lot more than anyone believed. Does not appear he did much of anything to teach them about running a boat, just taught them to do their specific job. I think Derek is probably a good captain, but it has to be increadibly hard to replace a guy like Phil, much like replacing a star QB.
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At the end of the day, I'm not sure the dynamic of Owner/Deckhand works on a crab boat. Regardless of their other problems, I think that was the biggest thing. On one hand those two were financially responsible for the boat, but on the other they couldn't make any of the decisions to get there.
I think at the end of the day, if those two want to keep crabbing, they need to be deckhands on another boat and stay separate from their ownership interest on the CM. Gain the experience and knowledge they need to run a boat somewhere else, and eventually come back to the CM as owner/captain.
I think at the end of the day, if those two want to keep crabbing, they need to be deckhands on another boat and stay separate from their ownership interest on the CM. Gain the experience and knowledge they need to run a boat somewhere else, and eventually come back to the CM as owner/captain.
Rayderr
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Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
BigJohn
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I think that was where the whole trip went downhill. When Steve did that, what was Derek supposed to do? If he stays quiet and does nothing, he loses control and respect, but if he's hard, like he was, he alienates the crew before even leaving the dock. Steve put him in a no-win situation.In retrospect, I think his decision to go fro blue crab was a bad choice. Not that it was the wrong choice. Just that, the situation he was in, he should have know that he needed to get on crab ASAP, and help build the morale on the ship before taking a risk like hunting blue crab.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
Well, if what was said in one of those interviews was true, (That the CM had leased off its quota because the Harris boys were'nt sure theyd even go fishing and Derek had to buy a lease from someone else) they might not have had much choice about where they could go. I'm sure the politics and territoriality of the crab fishing fleet are intricate and arcane and VERY serious.Jake Harris is a punk. Keith reads the riot act to the guy who fell asleep on watch and that guy got it. Jake gets accused of smelling like he was smoking weed and he goes MOP on Derek. I think the man doth protest too much.I think that was where the whole trip went downhill. When Steve did that, what was Derek supposed to do? If he stays quiet and does nothing, he loses control and respect, but if he's hard, like he was, he alienates the crew before even leaving the dock. Steve put him in a no-win situation.In retrospect, I think his decision to go fro blue crab was a bad choice. Not that it was the wrong choice. Just that, the situation he was in, he should have know that he needed to get on crab ASAP, and help build the morale on the ship before taking a risk like hunting blue crab.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
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Rayderr
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and agrees to a drug test, but as soon as a police officer shows, up, he quickly slips off the boat and gets on the next plane out of the state. Nothing fishy there.Well, if what was said in one of those interviews was true, (That the CM had leased off its quota because the Harris boys were'nt sure theyd even go fishing and Derek had to buy a lease from someone else) they might not have had much choice about where they could go. I'm sure the politics and territoriality of the crab fishing fleet are intricate and arcane and VERY serious.Jake Harris is a punk. Keith reads the riot act to the guy who fell asleep on watch and that guy got it. Jake gets accused of smelling like he was smoking weed and he goes MOP on Derek. I think the man doth protest too much.I think that was where the whole trip went downhill. When Steve did that, what was Derek supposed to do? If he stays quiet and does nothing, he loses control and respect, but if he's hard, like he was, he alienates the crew before even leaving the dock. Steve put him in a no-win situation.In retrospect, I think his decision to go fro blue crab was a bad choice. Not that it was the wrong choice. Just that, the situation he was in, he should have know that he needed to get on crab ASAP, and help build the morale on the ship before taking a risk like hunting blue crab.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
mr. furley
Footballguy
that Derrick fella sure seems like a might big doosh
the Harris brothers are just knucklehead young guys... but the captain has had 40+ years to hone being a complete ###### and he showed it.
the Harris brothers are just knucklehead young guys... but the captain has had 40+ years to hone being a complete ###### and he showed it.
BigJohn
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Disagree completely. He knew he needed to establish control on the boat ASAP. He was not going to be able to get on board and be everybody's buddy. Yes, the boys are stupid kids, but when you're dealing with that much money and pressure, that's no excuse.
Flying V
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I'm somewhere in the middle. He should have found a way to address the drug issue without involving the police or having it filmed. That just makes the whole operation look bad.
Foosball God
Foos
This is where I am. I think he is probably a good captain but calling the cops to meet them at the dock was just a #### move. I think he was too concerned about saving face on TV for the bad numbers and the mutinous crew.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
It's gotta be hard to captain a boat when two of the crew are owners. Seems like a horrible business plan.
Mitch Robbins
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I heard on the radio this morning that they are planning on stepping in to help save the CM.not sure if it's true, but that's what I heard.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
mr. furley
Footballguy
'BigJohn said:
taking shots at them repeatedly.. all of them... and constantly reminding the boys that their dad failed them and they are incompetent failures.. probably no way to win respect or control of the boat.he constantly takes unnecessary shots. even in the interviews after the show.guy is a doosh
BigJohn
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'BigJohn said:
I might have a different opinion if he was wrong. He was spot on with every one of his observations. Bringing Phil into it, or questioning what and how he taught the boys, may have been insensitive, But it doesn't change the fact that he was right.
Rayderr
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I don't think "Your dad did you a great disservice" about not showing them how to run the boat is an attack on them or their dad.'BigJohn said:
Sabertooth
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I think from reading some articles that the CM had leased their quote of Red Crab to another vessel.I think that was where the whole trip went downhill. When Steve did that, what was Derek supposed to do? If he stays quiet and does nothing, he loses control and respect, but if he's hard, like he was, he alienates the crew before even leaving the dock. Steve put him in a no-win situation.In retrospect, I think his decision to go fro blue crab was a bad choice. Not that it was the wrong choice. Just that, the situation he was in, he should have know that he needed to get on crab ASAP, and help build the morale on the ship before taking a risk like hunting blue crab.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
Sabertooth
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Meh, this is real man's work. If they can't handle him stating the truth, they should try something like working in a cubicle for $30k a year. Then they can be potheads till the cows come home and nobody will even notice, let alone care.'BigJohn said:
BigJohn
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Yeah, I read that too. But the way the Harris boys were acting, I was confused on what they wanted to do. Just quit fishing altogether? Could they have bought other red crab quota? The whole thing is just really cloudy.I think from reading some articles that the CM had leased their quote of Red Crab to another vessel.I think that was where the whole trip went downhill. When Steve did that, what was Derek supposed to do? If he stays quiet and does nothing, he loses control and respect, but if he's hard, like he was, he alienates the crew before even leaving the dock. Steve put him in a no-win situation.In retrospect, I think his decision to go fro blue crab was a bad choice. Not that it was the wrong choice. Just that, the situation he was in, he should have know that he needed to get on crab ASAP, and help build the morale on the ship before taking a risk like hunting blue crab.Honestly, I'm surprised they didn't get Andy or Jonathan from the Time Bandit to do it. They have the respect of the crew and wouldn't have taken any #### (Engineer should've been kicked off before they even left dock.)They should hire Edgar to Captain the CM.
Yeah, he wasn't exactly tactful in dealing with the situation, but on the other hand, he got 0 support from the crew. I think going forward (next season, not sure about opies), if the harris brothers want to keep doing this, they need to go crew another boat, not the CM. Having them on the CM undermines the captain and makes for an overall uncomfortable situation. They're not ready/able to take charge themselves, so if they want to get there they need to go learn on another boat.'BigJohn said:
BigJohn
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They actually do find a captain to take them out for Opelio season. I guess we'll see how that goes.Yeah, he wasn't exactly tactful in dealing with the situation, but on the other hand, he got 0 support from the crew. I think going forward (next season, not sure about opies), if the harris brothers want to keep doing this, they need to go crew another boat, not the CM. Having them on the CM undermines the captain and makes for an overall uncomfortable situation. They're not ready/able to take charge themselves, so if they want to get there they need to go learn on another boat.'BigJohn said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
i don't disagree.. when said once or twice.. but not every time they talked. they're all clowns. that Freddy guy should box em all and get a new crew. he and that Samoan looking white guy are the only ones worth a damn on that crew.I don't think "Your dad did you a great disservice" about not showing them how to run the boat is an attack on them or their dad.'BigJohn said:
culdeus
Footballguy
I think they covered the fact that the Murray guy has some other side gig that does well for him. This show has done a real good job of doing the reality TV element (note:I have watched none this season). They haven't done a good job of really showing the economics of how boats like the Wizard are all that the Fed wants to be able to fish anymore for crab. Big boats with bought quotas. All the CM has to do is drive around a bit and catch nothing and the owners still make money selling the quotas.
mozzy84
Footballguy
found this interview with one of the deckhands. Sounds like the captains might get a cut anyways..
http://juneauempire.com/stories/050309/loc_435979305.shtml
Sarnoff
Footballguy
I think I read the boat owners get about $20,000 from Discovery. Some of that might go to paying for feeding the two/three camera or sound guys for the weeks they're on the water. The boat owner may or may not share the rest with the crew, that's up to them.Nowhere near the amount of money for Josh & Jake to go throwing away a livelihood for. Unless they're pulling down more cash elsewhere from appearance fees and sponsorship deals (I think I've seen the Northwestern and Time Bandit in TV commercials).
mr. furley
Footballguy
you lost me
Pick
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culdeus
Footballguy
When DC started the crab seasons were on a clock and was from what I could tell all you could fish. Now they sell X pounds of crab quota to certain boats based on some not well described system. That quota can be resold to other boats and fished over a longer time period. This gives the feds greater control over fewer boats and keeps crab harvest in a reasonable range.
Rayderr
Footballguy
In the first season, boat captains had to regularly call in how much they've caught. Fish & wildlife would end the season once the quota was reach. The change was made to make crabbing safer, not to change the quota (which has stayed on course since the change.)
mr. furley
Footballguy
gotcha. i remember the end of one season talk of that being the last year of the "wild west" type fishing. can't remember which season though.
mozzy84
Footballguy
interview with derrick before the season started 
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/04/08/deadliest-catch-cornelia-marie/
http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/04/08/deadliest-catch-cornelia-marie/
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