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***Official Dexter Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Sarnoff said:
bigmarc27 said:
I just liked how Elway was cool with taking a 4 hour bus trip with Hannah instead of just getting her off the bus.
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"I have you in custody now, Hannah. Here's what's gonna happen. We're not going to leave the bus here at the station, we're going to wait two hours. I'm not going to tell the driver you're my prisoner. I'm not going to call ahead and tell my coworkers, the police, or the feds that we're going to arrive in Jacksonville soon. We're just going to sit here quietly and stare straight ahead on this little bus ride."
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I thought this was the worst part of the finale by far.

I'll give a little on the idea of putting a hospital on the water in an area that gets heavy storms, and the idea that Dexter could sneak his wife out on a gurney (the hurricane gave them at least a little believability on that). But the bus ride thing was ridiculous. Whatever, you want to set that up for a dramatic scene on the boat, I'll suspend my disbelief a bit. But the bus thing was just too much. At least make it a train or something else that's kind of hard to stop, and give me an explanation as to why he didn't contact anyone else.

 
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Miami Metro PD's offices were on the waterfront. The hospital has one parking space just for boats. All this time, the writers were writing Dexter "as if he were Batman", when actually, he was Aquaman!

 
Terrible, of course.

Somebody did mention Hannah in the hot chicks with little boobs thread, right? It would be a glaring omission. Love those little things.

I was FF'ing through Dexter's boatride, so I may have missed VO Dexter giving some terrible explanation, but that seemed just stupid.

It was so frustrating because there was plenty of good drama there to be had, in Dexter letting go of Deb. Instead of writing to that drama (and it could've been accomplished with Dexter just making the decision to have the hospital legally turn off the machines), they just have to go do something stupid and pointless to take the viewer completely out of it.

Agree with some about the pen scene being solid and Bautista's reaction being some of the best work they've done in years.

I must admit I did enjoy the flashbacks back to Season 4 Deb. I don't care what any of you say, she was fantastic back then.

 
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Also, this is picking nits at this point but the boat scene with Deb was a little too much symbolism. I was surprised the voice over didn't remind us that he was in his kill outfit as he lifted Deb in her white sheet.

 
My wife and I were trying to figure out why the writers thought that it was appropriate for Dexter to dump Deb at sea. Wouldn't he have wanted something nicer for her? Was it to cover up the fact that he disconnected her from life support? Was it because everyone's life he had destroyed during the series had been dumped at sea? Who knows. :whoosh:

 
roarlions said:
My wife and I were trying to figure out why the writers thought that it was appropriate for Dexter to dump Deb at sea. Wouldn't he have wanted something nicer for her? Was it to cover up the fact that he disconnected her from life support? Was it because everyone's life he had destroyed during the series had been dumped at sea? Who knows. :whoosh:
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She was a victim of his, just like anyone else, in his mind.

 
roarlions said:
My wife and I were trying to figure out why the writers thought that it was appropriate for Dexter to dump Deb at sea. Wouldn't he have wanted something nicer for her? Was it to cover up the fact that he disconnected her from life support? Was it because everyone's life he had destroyed during the series had been dumped at sea? Who knows. :whoosh:
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That would be the closest, I guess, but of course, that's a pretty dumb reason.

 
I doubt many read them, but here is the final review of a Dexter episode ever.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/remember-the-monsters,102659/

I'm going to miss Dexter reviews almost as much as Breaking Bad. Not BB reviews. The show.

This episode finally got that F they've been circling around all season.

My favorite excerpt:

"Again, “Remember The Monsters” wasn’t going to be good. But it did have a shot at not being an affront to the suckers who spent 96 hours watching Dexter. That’s four entire days. Think of the books you could have read. The hobbies you could have cultivated. The trees you could have planted in blighted neighborhoods. The Big Brawn epilogue is a knife through the heart of any Dexter fan. I can imagine no worse way to end the series than with a shot of Scott Buck hopping into the back of a limousine to leave the set on the final day of shooting, with his arms wrapped around a bag of cash so large he struggles to hold onto it."

 
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You know what's REALLY frustrating? As bad as this show has been, it still had a chance to have a kickass ending. I thought "oh man this is how Dexter gets caught!" when the cops brought Saxon into the interrogation room. This guy knows everything about Dexter and he has no reason to hide anything. And he looked menacingly through the double-sided glass almost directly at Dexter.

But no, he doesn't mention Dexter at all. Instead Dexter strolls into the interrogation room and kills Saxon. So much wasted potential with this stupid show.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Sarnoff said:
bigmarc27 said:
I just liked how Elway was cool with taking a 4 hour bus trip with Hannah instead of just getting her off the bus.
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"I have you in custody now, Hannah. Here's what's gonna happen. We're not going to leave the bus here at the station, we're going to wait two hours. I'm not going to tell the driver you're my prisoner. I'm not going to call ahead and tell my coworkers, the police, or the feds that we're going to arrive in Jacksonville soon. We're just going to sit here quietly and stare straight ahead on this little bus ride."
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I thought this was the worst part of the finale by far.

I'll give a little on the idea of putting a hospital on the water in an area that gets heavy storms, and the idea that Dexter could sneak his wife out on a gurney (the hurricane gave them at least a little believability on that). But the bus ride thing was ridiculous. Whatever, you want to set that up for a dramatic scene on the boat, I'll suspend my disbelief a bit. But the bus thing was just too much. At least make it a train or something else that's kind of hard to stop, and give me an explanation as to why he didn't contact anyone else.
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Why didn't she just take a car and drive out of state to another major airport? They made it seem like she was trying to flee East Germany.

Elway is hot on my tail monitoring exit routes. Ummm, let me wait at the bus station.

Let's not get into the fact that the airport has video cameras everywhere and could easily identify Dexter planting that bag within minutes.

 
Gekko is the FFAs Dexter.

Good one on the hospital right on the coast.

If this were set in Hawaii the hospital would have been atop a volcano

 
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Daywalker said:
Why didn't she just take a car and drive out of state to another major airport? They made it seem like she was trying to flee East Germany.
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By the time they figured out a plan, the highways were clogged. "Buses have special lanes to get right through."

Although that reminded me about another thing, when Dexter left her at the bus station, it was to go finish Saxon. Then, immediately after, it was "to go check in on Deb one more time" (what, was it like 45 minutes later, right?), and "then, go kill Saxon." It seemed that happened often this season, he'd state one thing and then re-state it with another. Always "just one more thing." Of course, what happens? He goes to check on Deb and of course Saxon is there for no good reason. Summoned by a plot device to a trap. Of course.

 
Sarnoff said:
Daywalker said:
Why didn't she just take a car and drive out of state to another major airport? They made it seem like she was trying to flee East Germany.
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By the time they figured out a plan, the highways were clogged. "Buses have special lanes to get right through."

Although that reminded me about another thing, when Dexter left her at the bus station, it was to go finish Saxon. Then, immediately after, it was "to go check in on Deb one more time" (what, was it like 45 minutes later, right?), and "then, go kill Saxon." It seemed that happened often this season, he'd state one thing and then re-state it with another. Always "just one more thing." Of course, what happens? He goes to check on Deb and of course Saxon is there for no good reason. Summoned by a plot device to a trap. Of course.
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He probably knew that nobody pays attention to what's going on in a hospital when the hurricane's coming.

 
worst part of the finale was not wrapping up masukas relationship with his daughter. i was just so emotionally invested in that completely relevant story line they started this season.

glad we had the deb montage from earlier episodes. i really needed that. so glad they saved her from the gunshot wound, take up 20 minutes of the finale with her subsequent to that, just to turn into a vegetable.

so glad i can stop watching this abortion of a show, and so sad how bad it became compared to john lithgows season.

if i were to recommend anyone to watch it i would tell them it is 4 season long (think thats the lithgow season) and have them pretend rita in the bathtub is the finale, only to wonder if harrison would become like dexter as he is crying in blood.

 
bagger said:
worst part of the finale was not wrapping up masukas relationship with his daughter. i was just so emotionally invested in that completely relevant story line they started this season.

glad we had the deb montage from earlier episodes. i really needed that. so glad they saved her from the gunshot wound, take up 20 minutes of the finale with her subsequent to that, just to turn into a vegetable.

so glad i can stop watching this abortion of a show, and so sad how bad it became compared to john lithgows season.

if i were to recommend anyone to watch it i would tell them it is 4 season long (think thats the lithgow season) and have them pretend rita in the bathtub is the finale, only to wonder if harrison would become like dexter as he is crying in blood.
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I think if this show had ended after season 4 this would have gone down as a top 25 drama of all time and up there with the best series finale's of all time. Instead we got 4 more seasons of a turd product and one of the most critically derided shows of the last decade.

 
biggamer3 said:
bagger said:
worst part of the finale was not wrapping up masukas relationship with his daughter. i was just so emotionally invested in that completely relevant story line they started this season.

glad we had the deb montage from earlier episodes. i really needed that. so glad they saved her from the gunshot wound, take up 20 minutes of the finale with her subsequent to that, just to turn into a vegetable.

so glad i can stop watching this abortion of a show, and so sad how bad it became compared to john lithgows season.

if i were to recommend anyone to watch it i would tell them it is 4 season long (think thats the lithgow season) and have them pretend rita in the bathtub is the finale, only to wonder if harrison would become like dexter as he is crying in blood.
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I think if this show had ended after season 4 this would have gone down as a top 25 drama of all time and up there with the best series finale's of all time. Instead we got 4 more seasons of a turd product and one of the most critically derided shows of the last decade.
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Interestingly enough, this is exactly when I quit watching the show. From the sounds of it, I didn't miss anything.

At times the show was good but never great. Not even Michael C. Hall's best work.

 
Sarnoff said:
Of course, what happens? He goes to check on Deb and of course Saxon is there for no good reason. Summoned by a plot device to a trap. Of course.
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In fairness, I think that was a planned visit by Saxon. He saw the news that she was still alive, made the vet (the guy from The Killing and Boardwalk) "take him to the hospital". When he got there, he very specifically looked in the book for Deb.

That's one of the things i had the least problem with :)

 
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.

 
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.

 
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How much time did Dexter give Deb to recover? 20 minutes? Nope still sleeping, time for deep water horizon.

 
Sarnoff said:
I still don't understand Dexter's willingness to let Deb arrest Saxon. Isn't Saxon yet another person who knows Dexter is a serial killer? Sure, Dex will have fled the country, but certainly he poses problems for Deb.
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Not to mention the fact that he surely would have overpowered her in her attempt to cuff him and/or she would wait until the backup arrived and then, now how did he get put into those straps? Oh he sat down and did it to himself.

Quinn: Yeah, ok that makes sense.

Batista: We're good here.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Also, I liked how after Dex said he didn't need Harry anymore, we then get a shot of the blank space where Harry was standing (because he's gone, because Dex doesn't need him anymore), and then we get magical ghost-disappearing music (because Harry disappeared from that spot that's now blank, because you the viewer are a ### #### moron).
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I was impressed that they at least didn't have him do a dissolve.

 
Sarnoff said:
I did appreciate, ever so slightly, Saxon's reason for coming to Miami: the police department's woeful 20% solve rate on homicides. :lmao:
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I thought that his reasoning was a callback to exactly what Dexter said in one of the first monologues of the series.

I actually liked that scene and Dexter's and Saxon's interplay among what was mostly a poor season (not that you would know from reading this thread . . .)

 
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comfortably numb said:
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.
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:goodposting:

 
I couldn't help but think when Dexter chucks Deb over his boat, it was akin to the writers doing the same to the viewership, a few seasons back.

Mercifully, the series is over.

We will always have those first four seasons.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
comfortably numb said:
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.
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:goodposting:
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Wasn't the whole point of the season that Dexter is not a psychopath and can change?

 
Daywalker said:
Long Ball Larry said:
comfortably numb said:
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.
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:goodposting:
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Wasn't the whole point of the season that Dexter is not a psychopath and can change?
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I didn't think there was a point to the season.

 
Daywalker said:
Long Ball Larry said:
comfortably numb said:
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.
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:goodposting:
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Wasn't the whole point of the season that Dexter is not a psychopath and can change?
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I think that they wanted you to possibly believe that, but whether through the writing or Michael C. Hall's acting, I never really got the feeling that he was actually changed. What consequences did he have to bear? I guess I never bought much of a transformation from him and honestly, as others have pointed out, even if he had an epiphany that he will only hurt people and therefore the most loving thing he could do is to stay away from them (which is a legitimate idea), how does he leave his son, who he supposedly loves in the hands of another murderer in a foreign country? Because she took him to the ER one time? I don't think he changed and I think that the general tone of the ending was good, though the way that we get there and the actual ending were not great.

 
I liked how, during the pen fight, Dexter doesn't stab with the pen fast enough and the Oliver Saxxon actor is kind of sitting there awkardly exposing his neck and shoving it towards Dexter.

 
Daywalker said:
Long Ball Larry said:
comfortably numb said:
PatsWillWin said:
Probably no need to pile on. It was not a very good finale. It was a terrible, terrible final season.

That said, I'm not super annoyed with how it ended in a more general sense. Dexter banishing himself after Deb died makes sense to me. He was the only only one he ever really cared about IMO, so when he was responsible for his death, he decided to stop trying to be something that he wasn't. I can buy it.

Big picture though, this season was bad. They tried to make Vogul a significant character by making her his "spiritual mother," but when she died, I didn't care at all. The "discovery" about who the brain-killer guy was was extremely underwhelming (gasp, the guy leaving the brains around is this character you've seen for 30 seconds!!!"). They truly ran out of ideas and interesting characters.

Dexter was never really in any jeopardy. It made no sense how Deb just got over the whole "my brother is a serial killer and I shot Laguerda to protect him" after trying to down Dexter (except not) and a couple of cups of tea with Vogul.

The only chance they had at a good season was to have a Deb vs. Dexter story, and for whatever reason, they didn't want to do it.

First two seasons were great, the Trinity season was great, the rest was more or less crap. Oh what could've been.
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agreed.

people are cracking on the whole lumberjack thing but i can get behind an ending where he fakes his own death and begins a new life alone knowing he brings nothing but death to people in his life.

The last 4 seasons getting to this ending was the brutal part.
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Wasn't the whole point of the season that Dexter is not a psychopath and can change?
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I think the point of the season was that he thought he could change, and was trying to change. The whole "new start in Arengtina" thing. But it still ended with disasterous results.

He wasn't trying to change when Rita died, he was still just using that side of his life as a disguise. That failed as he couldn't keep his two worlds seperate. So now, when he thinks he can "change," that has disasterous results as well (because if he'd just done what he always does and killed Saxon, Deb would be alive).

I think it was just too much, and he decided everyone was better off if he was just isolated. So now he's living in seclusion more or less, not doing the "hiding in plain sight" thing and not trying to assimilate. He'll just go to work, interract with people as little as he can at work, then go home and sit in his place alone. He'll probably still have to kill, but it will be trickier now because he won't have his disguise.

I get the ending, and don't have a problem with it. The problems that I have are that the season was boring, Hannah as the agent of his "change" was unconvincing, I didn't care about Vogul even though they really tried to make me care about her, and Dexter was never really in any peril, which is probably when the show was at its best. I can forgive some belief-stretchers inthe finale, but I can't forgive how bad the season was as a whole.

 
One thing that keeps annoying me is Lem's character, the US Marshall. He was a complete waste of time. He did nothing. He never really got close to finding Hannah, never caught on to Dexter being anything, and then they killed him. The very minor level of drama that was created by him snooping around Deb's place and Dexter could've easily been rolled into Elway's role as he pursued the bounty after Deb left.

Every second spent with Lem on the screen was just a complete waste of time. I probably shouldn't be too annoyed since the alternative was more of Dexter driving around Miami having boring conversations with people (which was essentially the whole season), but still.

I would've liked it a lot more if they'd done something significant with Bautista. Or at least not make him such an idiot. He makes Hank from Breaking Bad look like freaking Columbo.

 
I was fine with season 5. They started getting lazy but it was still original and they created a lot of good tension. It suffered for being the season after what was the obvious high water mark of the series. Everything after that was going to suffer by comparison. However I personally liked season 5 more than the Jimmy Smits season.

Seasons 6, 7 & 8 were just lazy and lacked direction and focus.

 
PatsWillWin said:
One thing that keeps annoying me is Lem's character, the US Marshall. He was a complete waste of time. He did nothing. He never really got close to finding Hannah, never caught on to Dexter being anything, and then they killed him. The very minor level of drama that was created by him snooping around Deb's place and Dexter could've easily been rolled into Elway's role as he pursued the bounty after Deb left.

Every second spent with Lem on the screen was just a complete waste of time. I probably shouldn't be too annoyed since the alternative was more of Dexter driving around Miami having boring conversations with people (which was essentially the whole season), but still.

I would've liked it a lot more if they'd done something significant with Bautista. Or at least not make him such an idiot. He makes Hank from Breaking Bad look like freaking Columbo.
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They could've devoted all of Lem's screen time to showing Madison Burge's cans.

 
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