Pip's Invitation
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Keenan McCardell did it in 2003. I remember because I won my redraft that year with help from a fresh McCardell at the end of the FF regular season and playoffs.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
I expect there is little to no chance he misses actual games. I do not expect him (nor should he) to show up for training camp, or even preseason.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
it must be hard when your asked the seem thing everytime a someone with a mic comes up to you
Pokesfan
Footballguy
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Zyphros
Footballguy
Is anyone worried he won't catch enough passes? I mean he isn't exactly a PPR monster, and it's kind of holding him back from being a unanimous #1 overall WR. Antonio Brown caught 129, Julio Jones caught 104, Demaryius Thomas caught 111 (with some obvious drops that come to mind right away too), and Dez only caught 88. Sure his TD's are fantastic but more catches would be nice.
The offense going away from Murray might help him get a little more targets/catches and if he can go to lets say 100+ catches look out. This could end up being his best year yet and that's saying something compared to a 16TD season.
The offense going away from Murray might help him get a little more targets/catches and if he can go to lets say 100+ catches look out. This could end up being his best year yet and that's saying something compared to a 16TD season.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
He isnt worth the #1 right now?
Or do you mean he will be the top scoring player if he grabs 100+. He probably would be, yeah.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
It's contract stuff like this that makes me shake my head, regarding the player/agent. I know why the agent does it cause they are greedy jerks, and to an extend the player also, but is there no risk averse bone in either of their bodies?
I am sure right now Dez could land a rather monster deal and be set up for 10 lifetimes. What are they doing, haggling over maybe a few million bucks? Soooooo not worth it to me if I have a contract in front of me for say 80 million with half or more guaranteed, but I am trying for 85? In a business where slipping on a banana peel the wrong way could cost me more than half of that, if not almost all of it?
Just one of those things I will never get.
I am sure right now Dez could land a rather monster deal and be set up for 10 lifetimes. What are they doing, haggling over maybe a few million bucks? Soooooo not worth it to me if I have a contract in front of me for say 80 million with half or more guaranteed, but I am trying for 85? In a business where slipping on a banana peel the wrong way could cost me more than half of that, if not almost all of it?
Just one of those things I will never get.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Because why wouldn't you, in July? There's no risk, there's nothing lost by asking. Or demanding. Or blustering. It's not like Dallas is going to lower or revoke the offer (assuming he keeps all his fingers). Negotiating is all about maximizing what you can get. It always cracks me up when people ask this. We'd all do the same thing in his situation. Selling your house, accepting a job offer, settling a lawsuit, whatever. If you think you can get more, you try, period. Anything less is foolish. That's how (relatively) free markets work.
It's been suggested in linked articles that the offer only guarantees $20M. That's low for the market conditions. Way, way low. Jeremy Maclin got more guaranteed. Talk about risk. Once he steps on that field, the guaranteed money is all he has, and now you can replace "slipping on a banana peel" with "getting mauled by elite athletes weekly".
Hell he's guaranteed $13M just to take the FT deal, and he gets a ton more leverage next year with that. He can get a policy against the other $7m easily. I don't blame him at all for not signing that offer if indeed it's only $20M guaranteed.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Training camp, sure. Totally see him skipping that. Real games - that'd surprise me.He's got every right to do it, though...
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Dez Bryant raises stakes in Cowboys' contract talks:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4743334/dez-bryant-raises-stakes-in-cowboys-contract-talks
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4743334/dez-bryant-raises-stakes-in-cowboys-contract-talks
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
So what would you be willing to pay Dez?
Calvin's contract is far and away the highest at 16.2 Mil year and there's no way the Cowboys go that high.
Next up is Mike Wallace (huh?) at 12 Mil a year.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
That leaves a huge void to negotiate in. I would guess the main stumbling blocks are guaranteed money and the types of guarantees. Also any offset money.
Pat Kirwan suggested 5 yrs 67.5 Mil with 28 guaranteed.. I would think that's a little low since Dez could play the next 2 years under tag and get almost that guaranteed money.
I would think 5 years 70 Mil with 32 guaranteed.
Calvin's contract is far and away the highest at 16.2 Mil year and there's no way the Cowboys go that high.
Next up is Mike Wallace (huh?) at 12 Mil a year.
http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/
That leaves a huge void to negotiate in. I would guess the main stumbling blocks are guaranteed money and the types of guarantees. Also any offset money.
Pat Kirwan suggested 5 yrs 67.5 Mil with 28 guaranteed.. I would think that's a little low since Dez could play the next 2 years under tag and get almost that guaranteed money.
I would think 5 years 70 Mil with 32 guaranteed.
matuski
Footballguy
What is the point of missing games once 7/15 comes and goes?
They can't do a long term deal until the season is over afterwards. The only way he can leverage a long term deal beyond 7/15 is to sign the tag tender. If he doesn't sign the deal he can only sign for a year.
Or am I missing something?
CR69
Footballguy
He has less of a chance to get injured. He can sit out 10 games and still make more money this year than he has under his rookie contract. It would also seriously hurt the Cowboys' chances of making the playoffs.
The Cowboys just need to pay him, especially with the increases coming in the salary cap the next couple of years.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
One could arguing that just jumping into action in Week 11/12 could make him more susceptible to injury (although I guess it would be more minor type injuries like a hamstring pull).
I don't think he can realistically sit out though and lose close to $8MM without gaining any leverage.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
I’m not sure I would call it leverage but his franchise tag value the following year would increase as if he signed the tender this year and the compensation that Dallas would receive for him should another team sign him (after the 2nd franchise tag) would decrease to a 1st and 3rd round pickDr. Octopus said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Good info here. Dez has more leverage than I thought especially for the first two games.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I always wonder why players threaten to sit out the first part of the season and then return for the final part to accrue their playing season. With that strategy teams hope to weather the storm and then have the player available for the playoffs. Also, the player has to rely on funds already banked to get him through for a while.
It seems to me the bigger threat would be to play at the beginning of the season until he accrues an accredited season and banks some money, and then sit out the final games, including playoff games.
the cowboys figure they will make the playoffs, and so long as they have him then they may be comfortable. If they were looking at going into the playoffs without him that would certainly get their attention.
Is this scenario somehow prohibited by the CBA?
It seems to me the bigger threat would be to play at the beginning of the season until he accrues an accredited season and banks some money, and then sit out the final games, including playoff games.
the cowboys figure they will make the playoffs, and so long as they have him then they may be comfortable. If they were looking at going into the playoffs without him that would certainly get their attention.
Is this scenario somehow prohibited by the CBA?
Inspiration
Footballguy
It's prohibited under the CBA in the sense that there a severe repercussions for players who leave the team while under contract (which would happen if he only played in the first 6 games). I believe one of those consequences would be the loss of the accrued season (thus negating the purpose of playing in 6 games). The reason sitting out until the last 6 games works for franchised players is because they are not under contract until if/when they sign their offer under the franchise tag (ie week 12), thus avoiding any penalties for not reporting.
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
It's all relative right. He feels like he's Calvin Johnson's equal (if not better). What would you do if you found out a coworker you felt was inferior made 25% more than you?
Norcalhoya
Footballguy
Sidenote: I'm not so sure the Cowboys are a playoff team without Dez. NFC is no cakewalk.
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