Official Dez Bryant (2 Viewers)

[VaTerp]

I don't know what's up with the Jones' mouthpieces and why they insist on over promising on Dez' return.

I traded for Dez before week 3 with the thought/hope that he'd be back in the linuep for the week 9 SNF matchup with Philly. That's almost 8 weeks after the surgery. Like others have said I'll take week 10 but I'm really banking on him being close to his normal production from that point through the end of the season. Considerable gamble that I hope pays off.

~Do you mind sharing what you gave?

Before week 3 games I gave Cam, Spiller, and Martavis Bryant for Foster, Dez, and Chris Johnson. 14 team redraft.

 

[iamkoza]

I don't know what's up with the Jones' mouthpieces and why they insist on over promising on Dez' return.

I traded for Dez before week 3 with the thought/hope that he'd be back in the linuep for the week 9 SNF matchup with Philly. That's almost 8 weeks after the surgery. Like others have said I'll take week 10 but I'm really banking on him being close to his normal production from that point through the end of the season. Considerable gamble that I hope pays off.

~Do you mind sharing what you gave?

Before week 3 games I gave Cam, Spiller, and Martavis Bryant for Foster, Dez, and Chris Johnson. 14 team redraft.

wow that trade makes no sense for the guy giving up foster, dez and cj1k.... hopefully spiller got him a win last week

 

[VaTerp]

I don't know what's up with the Jones' mouthpieces and why they insist on over promising on Dez' return.

I traded for Dez before week 3 with the thought/hope that he'd be back in the linuep for the week 9 SNF matchup with Philly. That's almost 8 weeks after the surgery. Like others have said I'll take week 10 but I'm really banking on him being close to his normal production from that point through the end of the season. Considerable gamble that I hope pays off.

~Do you mind sharing what you gave?

Before week 3 games I gave Cam, Spiller, and Martavis Bryant for Foster, Dez, and Chris Johnson. 14 team redraft.

wow that trade makes no sense for the guy giving up foster, dez and cj1k.... hopefully spiller got him a win last week

He was 1-1 but had not scored a lot of points and had nothing behind Romo as his QB. So I was using Cam as a chip to get the deal done. I was trying to do it without Martavis who I'm very high on but had to give him up to push deal through.

On paper it looks good for me but I took on A LOT of risk. We'll see how it works out.

 

[Shutout]

If he does return in week 7, doesn't he need a real QB throwing him the ball in order to be relevant?

 

[MattFancy]

If he does return in week 7, doesn't he need a real QB throwing him the ball in order to be relevant?

Good question. But then I think about what Hopkins has been doing with Hoyer/Mallet and think Dez and Weeden/Cassel can't be much different.

 

[Shutout]

If he does return in week 7, doesn't he need a real QB throwing him the ball in order to be relevant?

Good question. But then I think about what Hopkins has been doing with Hoyer/Mallet and think Dez and Weeden/Cassel can't be much different.

The difference i see in that case is I think the Texans have been involved in so much garbage time that Hopkins has benefited by sheer numbers of garbage throws. I can envision the Cowboys playing competitive but not benefiting Dez and his numbers being down until romo returns. For that reason, I'll gladly insert Dez in my lineup but I really won't have high expectations until Romo returns.

 

[MattFancy]

If he does return in week 7, doesn't he need a real QB throwing him the ball in order to be relevant?

Good question. But then I think about what Hopkins has been doing with Hoyer/Mallet and think Dez and Weeden/Cassel can't be much different.

The difference i see in that case is I think the Texans have been involved in so much garbage time that Hopkins has benefited by sheer numbers of garbage throws. I can envision the Cowboys playing competitive but not benefiting Dez and his numbers being down until romo returns. For that reason, I'll gladly insert Dez in my lineup but I really won't have high expectations until Romo returns.

True, but I can see whoever the QB is also forcing the ball to Dez. I mean who else will they throw to but Dez and Witten? Williams has looked alright and Beasley is JAG

 

[iamkoza]

im pretty sure any qb is going to throw dez the ball 1st and goal if he is not being doubled teamed

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jerry Jones wants Cowboys to use Dez Bryant like Falcons use Julio Jones:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25322171/jerry-jones-wants-cowboys-to-use-dez-bryant-like-falcons-use-julio-jones

I want this too.

Me too! But first, Jerr needs to worry about getting Dez back healthy.

They aren't the same athletes. Dez dreams of Julio's speed. Julio will always be superior because of that.

 

[Manster]

Jerry Jones wants Cowboys to use Dez Bryant like Falcons use Julio Jones:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25322171/jerry-jones-wants-cowboys-to-use-dez-bryant-like-falcons-use-julio-jones

I want this too.

Me too! But first, Jerr needs to worry about getting Dez back healthy.

They aren't the same athletes. Dez dreams of Julio's speed. Julio will always be superior because of that.

If Dez had Julio's speed it wouldn't be fair. Dez has been the better NFL wr so far.

 

[Koya]

Jerry Jones wants Cowboys to use Dez Bryant like Falcons use Julio Jones:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25322171/jerry-jones-wants-cowboys-to-use-dez-bryant-like-falcons-use-julio-jones

I want this too.

Me too! But first, Jerr needs to worry about getting Dez back healthy.

They aren't the same athletes. Dez dreams of Julio's speed. Julio will always be superior because of that.

Julio does not provide the same game presence and has not shown quite the ability in traffic as Dez, IMO. Julio also seems more affected by injury. Both are prone, bye Dez seems more able to battle through.

I see Julio as a Ferrari and Dez as more a tuned up American muscle car - think super vette. When everything is running perfect Julio can be superior, just an ungodly mix of abilities. But so fine tuned that any disturbance really hurts production.

 

[VaTerp]

My comment on Dez not being Julio wasnt meant to necessarily say that Julio is better than Dez, even though at this point I think he is, it was just that they have different skill sets in response to Jerry's wishes that they use Dez similar to how ATL uses Julio.

As I said before, Julio's speed and quickness allows him to run away from DBs and bracket coverage in a way that Dez cant. Dez's skill set makes him better suited to high point the ball and win contested catches in 1-1 matchups. Because of this I think its easier to move him around and scheme Julio open than it is to do the same with Dez. Dez is indeed a beast and again not saying that makes Julio better but different.

And since I'm sitting in my office staring at my FF rosters instead of doing actual work I'll share the following link I came across on the google machine that provides more overly optimistic expectations on Dez' return. Nothing really new, and for the record, I think LaConfora is an annoying hack but if anyone wants to burn a minute or two here it is:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25326119/dez-bryant-expects-to-return-week-7-tony-romo-shooting-for-week-11

 

[Ted Mullins]

Week 7 would be excellent but I really hope that comes without a substantially increased risk of injury vs say week 9 or 10.

 

[iamkoza]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151011-cowboys-dez-bryant-gets-injection-which-jerry-jones-says-will-do-two-things.ece

The Cowboys are still holding out hope that Bryant can play after the bye week against the Giants on Oct. 25. Jones said everyone in the organization was on board with Bryant undergoing the injection.

"It will do two things," Jones said. "It has the potential to improve the healing time but more important gives him and everyone more confidence that when he comes back, at whatever the time is, it will be sounder and I think that was the overriding reason for doing it. It will be sounder even if he kept the same timeframe. It could easily speed it up, but if not, what you're always going to be worried about [is] if you wait another week maybe you've got less chance of reinjuring it or basically rushing it. That will give us more peace of mind on rushing it."

Jones said Bryant has "certainly had the time for the bone to heal.

"He's shown exceptional in his healing," Jones said. "I feel the procedure and how he's doing gives us a good feeling that if we feel like he can handle the sensitivity then you feel like you aren't being too aggressive in letting him get back out there. That's the big thing."

lukewarm take: you aren't getting weird "therapeutic" injections less than 2 weeks from your supposed return date if the rehab is on track. Anyone in redraft gotten a price check on dez lately? I think if you are below .500 right now it is worth exploring trading dez because it may well still be a month or more before he's back... and definitely a month until there is a competent QB throwing the ball in dallas.

 

[VaTerp]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151011-cowboys-dez-bryant-gets-injection-which-jerry-jones-says-will-do-two-things.ece

It could easily speed it up, but if not, what you're always going to be worried about [is] if you wait another week maybe you've got less chance of reinjuring it or basically rushing it. That will give us more peace of mind on rushing it."

Why would you ever say this?

My ff team needs Dez back in the worst way but man does it sound like Dr. Jerruh and company are setting up for an epic fail here.

 

[matuski]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/20151011-cowboys-dez-bryant-gets-injection-which-jerry-jones-says-will-do-two-things.ece

The Cowboys are still holding out hope that Bryant can play after the bye week against the Giants on Oct. 25. Jones said everyone in the organization was on board with Bryant undergoing the injection.

"It will do two things," Jones said. "It has the potential to improve the healing time but more important gives him and everyone more confidence that when he comes back, at whatever the time is, it will be sounder and I think that was the overriding reason for doing it. It will be sounder even if he kept the same timeframe. It could easily speed it up, but if not, what you're always going to be worried about [is] if you wait another week maybe you've got less chance of reinjuring it or basically rushing it. That will give us more peace of mind on rushing it."

Jones said Bryant has "certainly had the time for the bone to heal.

"He's shown exceptional in his healing," Jones said. "I feel the procedure and how he's doing gives us a good feeling that if we feel like he can handle the sensitivity then you feel like you aren't being too aggressive in letting him get back out there. That's the big thing."

lukewarm take: you aren't getting weird "therapeutic" injections less than 2 weeks from your supposed return date if the rehab is on track. Anyone in redraft gotten a price check on dez lately? I think if you are below .500 right now it is worth exploring trading dez because it may well still be a month or more before he's back... and definitely a month until there is a competent QB throwing the ball in dallas.

Why would you say this? I am assuming the injection was platelet rich plasma. The stuff is amazing and helps in several different ways intra and post procedure.

 

[Shutout]

I just don't think it matters until Romo is also back in the mix.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I just don't think it matters until Romo is also back in the mix.

I don't think Dez's value is so dependent on Romo. Don't underestimate the power of garbage time.

 

[iamkoza]

I just don't think it matters until Romo is also back in the mix.

I don't think Dez's value is so dependent on Romo. Don't underestimate the power of garbage time.

If teams are still dumb enough to not double dez on goal to go situations he can still produce TD's no matter who qb is

 

[Shutout]

I just don't think it matters until Romo is also back in the mix.

I don't think Dez's value is so dependent on Romo. Don't underestimate the power of garbage time.

If teams are still dumb enough to not double dez on goal to go situations he can still produce TD's no matter who qb is

Have you guys actually watched Weeden? The Patriots left those Cowboys WRs one on one all day yesterday. Not because those guys can't get open on occasion but because Weeden could NOT get the ball out there to them.

Yeah, Dez might be "serviceable" without Romo. Aguy that talented can catch a short Td, get a handful of balls, etc. but when I say it doesn't matter without Romo, I am speaking in the context of what Dez owners expect and need in terms of the cost it was to acquire him.

I don't want Dez in my lineup getting me Pierre Garcon 8.5 points. I need him producing with Julio/Emmanuel Sanders/ Fitz, etc. That's not happening until Romo gets back.

 

[Faust]

To play vs. Giants, Dez Bryant will have to practice some:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4746124/to-play-vs-giants-dez-bryant-will-have-to-practice-some

 

[MattFancy]

Dez Bryant - WR - Cowboys
Dez Bryant (foot) is participating in on-field rehab on Thursday.
Bryant will not practice with the team, but it is a good step in his rehab process. The Cowboys hope Bryant can play Week 7 against the Giants. While that timeline may be aggressive, it is clear Bryant is trending in the right direction.

 

[Faust]

Dez Bryant participating in on-field conditioning work:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000557566/article/dez-bryant-participating-in-onfield-conditioning-work

 

[timbrah_ho]

Man I hope he doesn't come back TOO early. Been holding this guy for weeks and if he suffers a re-break or a related injury I'll be pissed. Would rather have him on my bench for an extra week or two so he's fully healthy for playoff run

 

[heckmanm]

since I just traded for him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Hard to believe Dez could be back on the field in just 10 days. Seems like when the news first broke, he'd be gone most of the season. If he does come back, I'm not worried that he's a risk to re-injury. The best way to get into football shape is by playing football. That said, I won't be starting him until he can prove he's the Dez Bryant superstar of old.

 

[Darryl Talley]

Why wouldn't you start him at WR3 at least?

 

[Don't Noonan]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

 

[zeeshan2]

Desmond Purnell

✔@DesmondPurnell

Jerry Jones said Dez Bryant's playing status is based upon the player's sensitivity towards pain. Jerry is happy with his Bryant's progress.

10:53 AM - 16 Oct 2015

 

[Shutout]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

I love how guys think watching a game on tv makes them a better doctor than the hired staff physicians that have been treating him for 6 weeks.

If they are ok with it, you should be ok with it.

 

[dipandglide]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

I love how guys think watching a game on tv makes them a better doctor than the hired staff physicians that have been treating him for 6 weeks. If they are ok with it, you should be ok with it.

Agreed. All the "I hope he doesn't come back too early" stuff Can stop being said. Dez means a hell of a lot more to the cowboys and JJ then your ffb team. They aren't gonna let him play without being medically cleared.

As a Dez owner, I hope he's back next week. He needs a few games to get in shape and knock the rust off.

 

[MattFancy]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

I love how guys think watching a game on tv makes them a better doctor than the hired staff physicians that have been treating him for 6 weeks. If they are ok with it, you should be ok with it.

Agreed. All the "I hope he doesn't come back too early" stuff Can stop being said. Dez means a hell of a lot more to the cowboys and JJ then your ffb team. They aren't gonna let him play without being medically cleared.

As a Dez owner, I hope he's back next week. He needs a few games to get in shape and knock the rust off.

Yup as long as the doctor's say he's good, it's going to be really tough not to put him in lineups unless you really have something better.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Dez Bryant is "incredibly unlikely" to play Week 7 against the Giants.

Bryant has progressed to running in a straight line, but it's still unclear if he'll get some real practice time in this week coming off the Cowboys' bye. He did some on-field rehab work last week. Bryant needs to progress to cutting on his surgically-repaired foot and then practice before playing in games. Five weeks removed from surgery, Bryant should be considered week-to-week for now.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[thehornet]

Rotoworld:

A "well-placed source" tells NFL.com's Rand Getlin that Dez Bryant (foot) is "50-50" for Sunday's game against the Giants.

Per Getlin, "Wednesday will tell more." That's not exactly a revelation, as the Cowboys have been fairly straightforward about their star wideout's status, saying he'll test his foot each of the next two days. We still have a hard time believing Bryant will actually return this week. It's quite possible the Cowboys are simply trying to confuse the situation for the G-Men. Bryant's status will be updated in the next 18 hours, likely multiple times.

Source: Rand Getlin on Twitter Oct 20 - 7:11 PM

 

[MattFancy]

Sounds like at the moment, no one has any idea if he really will play or not. I'd say it's unlikely, but wouldn't be surprised if he did play.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

I love how guys think watching a game on tv makes them a better doctor than the hired staff physicians that have been treating him for 6 weeks. If they are ok with it, you should be ok with it.

Agreed. All the "I hope he doesn't come back too early" stuff Can stop being said. Dez means a hell of a lot more to the cowboys and JJ then your ffb team. They aren't gonna let him play without being medically cleared.As a Dez owner, I hope he's back next week. He needs a few games to get in shape and knock the rust off.

Right, because high profile WRs coming off of injury have never just been used as decoys while the injury continues to heal.

Julio Jones had a pretty similar injury, and while he did come back he still wasn't quite Julio that season.

 

[timbrah_ho]

I kind of hope he waits another week. Gotta make sure the avoids further injury....also I'm pretty sure I wouldn't play him this weekend either way. Want to see how he holds up in game mode + his connection with the non Romo QB first. If the situation with Antonio Brown has taught me anything it's that the QB throwing the ball is a large part of the equation with WR1 performance

 

[Shutout]

Would love to see him come back next week but may end up sitting him until he proves he is healthy

I love how guys think watching a game on tv makes them a better doctor than the hired staff physicians that have been treating him for 6 weeks. If they are ok with it, you should be ok with it.

Agreed. All the "I hope he doesn't come back too early" stuff Can stop being said. Dez means a hell of a lot more to the cowboys and JJ then your ffb team. They aren't gonna let him play without being medically cleared.As a Dez owner, I hope he's back next week. He needs a few games to get in shape and knock the rust off.

Right, because high profile WRs coming off of injury have never just been used as decoys while the injury continues to heal.

Julio Jones had a pretty similar injury, and while he did come back he still wasn't quite Julio that season.

What you are underestimating is when we saw Julio and Megatron used like that...well, that's Detroit and Atlanta's way of doing it. Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but I trust him/Garrett/their staff much more in a scenario like this than I do any of the Mickey Mouse guys in Detroit or Atlanta (with Mike Smith). Jones is one of the few owners around the league that doesn't play smoke and mirror games. He says what he thinks and he has said from day one that he thought this would be a 6 week timetable. More importantly, he is an owner who CLEARLY understands where his bread is buttered. He knows the importance of Dez Bryant and, unlike Atlanta and Detroit when they were doing this, his team is in a window to win a Super Bowl.

If Dez plays it is because he is ready. Not because its a team that will ultimately end up 3-13 and has no way to generate interest ($) and put fans in the seats other than to play Megatron or Julio.

Everyone is free to do what they want but I know the guys down in Dallas know a lot more about Dez's status than I do or anyone I am going to talk to at FBG so if he is up for the game, he's in my lineup unless I have a better option.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Two things keep going through my head about this injury. They never designated him to IR or whatever label it is where he would have been out til week 9 but they would have gained a roster spot. Also that he tried to play after getting hurt, but it was too much.

I think Dez wants to play and I think the cowboys want him back, stat.

Now whether he can be any good or not get hurt further is a whole different question.

 

[Shutout]

Two things keep going through my head about this injury. They never designated him to IR or whatever label it is where he would have been out til week 9 but they would have gained a roster spot. Also that he tried to play after getting hurt, but it was too much.

I think Dez wants to play and I think the cowboys want him back, stat.

Now whether he can be any good or not get hurt further is a whole different question.

Yes, I (and others) mentioned the whole "did not designate IR, designated to return" issue early on. I think several of us have always looked at that as an indicator that the team always thought this was a shorter term injury than when all the media was saying 11 weeks, etc.

With Cassell, IF they use him in a way where they move him around the field, I think there can be some good compiling score games.

 

[Fat Nick]

Why wouldn't you start him at WR3 at least?

If he plays, I'm starting him...I'll have a ridiculous compliment of WR's with Hopkins, ODBJr. and Dez...He's better than my current WR3's of K. Wright and Sammy "about to be dropped when Dez comes back" Watkins.

 

[heckmanm]

Why wouldn't you start him at WR3 at least?

If he plays, I'm starting him...I'll have a ridiculous compliment of WR's with Hopkins, ODBJr. and Dez...He's better than my current WR3's of K. Wright and Sammy "about to be dropped when Dez comes back" Watkins.

Aside from Watkins, I have the exact same WRs.

 

[MattFancy]

Why wouldn't you start him at WR3 at least?

If he plays, I'm starting him...I'll have a ridiculous compliment of WR's with Hopkins, ODBJr. and Dez...He's better than my current WR3's of K. Wright and Sammy "about to be dropped when Dez comes back" Watkins.

Close. Instead of Wright and Watkins, I have Moncrief and Adams. If Dez plays, it's hard to sit him, but I would have tough time playing in his 1st game back over Moncrief

 

[zeeshan2]

Ian Rapoport

✔@RapSheet

#Cowboys coach Jason Garrett tells reporters Dez Bryant won’t practice today, will be off to the side. Translation: Unlikely for Sunday

10:39 AM - 21 Oct 2015

 

[Shutout]

Ian Rapoport
✔@RapSheet#Cowboys coach Jason Garrett tells reporters Dez Bryant won’t practice today, will be off to the side. Translation: Unlikely for Sunday

10:39 AM - 21 Oct 2015

Is this the same Ian Rapoport that said he thought it was a 10-12 week injury?

 

[Anarchy99]

Ian Rapoport
✔@RapSheet#Cowboys coach Jason Garrett tells reporters Dez Bryant won’t practice today, will be off to the side. Translation: Unlikely for Sunday

10:39 AM - 21 Oct 2015

Is this the same Ian Rapoport that said he thought it was a 10-12 week injury?

It still could be a 10-12 week injury . . . or longer.

I have heard multiple sports medicine / orthopedic surgeons interviewed who still think it takes 12 weeks to recover from his injury and the bone to fully heal (even without having access to his medical records or treating him). They also said that trying to come back early dramatically increases the risk of re-injury (ie, breaking it again).

Let's see when Dez actually plays and at what level he comes back at. I think those expecting him to go back to being the Dez Bryant from last year may end up disappointed (at least for the remainder of this season).

 

[Fat Nick]

Why wouldn't you start him at WR3 at least?

If he plays, I'm starting him...I'll have a ridiculous compliment of WR's with Hopkins, ODBJr. and Dez...He's better than my current WR3's of K. Wright and Sammy "about to be dropped when Dez comes back" Watkins.

Close. Instead of Wright and Watkins, I have Moncrief and Adams. If Dez plays, it's hard to sit him, but I would have tough time playing in his 1st game back over Moncrief

Had Adams and dropped him to pick up C-Mike 2 weeks ago. May try and pick him back up at some point. My RB's are HORRID with the exception of Chris Ivory. Basically, if C-Mike somehow becomes even a decent RB2, I don't see how I don't win my league shy of random dumb luck as I also have Brady/Gronk.

 

[MattFancy]

Dez Bryant - WR - Cowboys
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Dez Bryant (foot) is running and cutting at full speed.
Garrett confirmed Bryant is unlikely to practice Thursday, but said he should get some work on the side field. If Bryant is indeed cutting a full speed, he should have a good shot at playing Week 8 against Seattle. He is still doubtful for this week.

 

[zeeshan2]

Charean Williams

✔@NFLCharean

Dez Bryant will work on the side at the start of practice, Jason Garrett says, but the WR is running and cutting at full speed.

11:00 AM - 22 Oct 2015

 

[Fat Nick]

Dez Bryant - WR - Cowboys
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said Dez Bryant (foot) is running and cutting at full speed.
Garrett confirmed Bryant is unlikely to practice Thursday, but said he should get some work on the side field. If Bryant is indeed cutting a full speed, he should have a good shot at playing Week 8 against Seattle. He is still doubtful for this week.

Color me impressed. If he makes it back for week 8, I'll be thrilled.