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Official Dez Bryant (1 Viewer)

Soulfly3 said:
Last season actually made me pity him. 

He was embarassed for himself, you could see it on the sidelines. 
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He looked bad.  But so did the entire offense imo.  Broken back Romo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescott

He still looked good redzone/high pointing balls to me.

 
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matuski said:
Healthy Dez with a decent QB was the definition of stud.

Injury then paired with one of the worst passers in the league, hard to tell.
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So it’s Daks fault that teams schemed their entire pass defense so that Dez was the clear read/best option on every pass play and Ol butterfingers who can’t outrun my dead grandmother couldn’t get open on 1v1 coverage? 

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
So it’s Daks fault that teams schemed their entire pass defense so that Dez was the clear read/best option on every pass play and Ol butterfingers who can’t outrun my dead grandmother couldn’t get open on 1v1 coverage? 
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I don't understand this sentence.

I don't think I blamed Dak for anything.  I simply stated the obvious - he sucks.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
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I am not gonna bother looking it up, but I have the unfortunate pleasure of the Cowboys on my TV every weekend.  

What I saw was a dumpster fire of a passer.. even behind that impressive o-line.  Regressed significantly as the season went on.  The second half of the season was some of the worst I recall seeing.  Aside from the Giants we are talking about a crazy run of 0 TD passes in most of his games.  Flat out scared to take a shot downfield unless a DB tripped or something.  He might throw one ball a game beyond 20 yards.

Dak is not a playmaker passing the ball.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
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I can't tell if you are arguing Dak is a good QB or trying to make this personal? 

I understand it is hard to make that argument, perhaps personal attacks are the easier choice.  :shrug:

I would suppose by default I still watch more than most.. by lack of choice.  I stand by not following them.   :yes:  

 
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1 more year and we'll know the truth ...Tom Petty wouldn't Dak Down..and neither should any other Cowboy fans claiming this is the last stand.  

 
Dez thread but since you are all talking about Dak this was from today: Stephen Jones talks Dak

Ed Werder: Jason [Garrett] was saying ... there's a real emphasis on improving the passing game this year [and] that it wasn't what this team has had in the past 10 years. In what ways do you think Dak plays a part in that as he goes into Year 3 as a starting quarterback?

Stephen Jones: I think he's the key. At the end of the day he's a big part of it. It all starts with him. He's the trigger guy. 

I think we can do some things to help him more. I think Dak's a guy that's a little different than Tony [Romo and] more like Troy [Aikman] in terms of the passing game. 

He wants precise routes. He wants to throw the ball on time to areas whereas Tony would improvise a little more. Not that Dak can't improvise, but I think Dak is a little more disciplined in terms of wanting the receivers to be good route runners and be where they're supposed to be. Those type of things. 

Now, at the same time, does he need to work on being able to improvise a little more? Of course. He's good at that. He's amazing with his feet. He's a mobile quarterback and he can make plays on the run. I think we can also help him in terms of what [wide receivers coach] Sanjay [Lal] is going to do with our receivers [by] really holding our receivers accountable in running precise routes and making the plays they need to make.

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Ed Werder: Do you think any of it gets lost on people in Dallas who have a high regard of what Tony was as a passer and quarterback for the Cowboys for more than a decade and they look at Dak and they don't see the same type of player [or] efficiency? 

They remember how he finished the season, which was without Tyron Smith and Ezekiel Elliott for a good portion of the second half of the season, and they forget that he's been pretty good for a year and a half and not good in those 6-8 games when he was playing without those two players?

Stephen Jones: And I think we're probably being hard on Dak even with those 6-8 games. I think Dak's going to be an amazing quarterback in this league. 

Everybody gets it done different. Roger Staubach got it done differently than Troy. Troy got it done differently than Romo. Obviously Dak's probably going to get it done different than all the above. 

But I do think he's a unique player for us. I think he's got unique skills. I think he's a unique leader. I think he's got the 'it' factor. I think he's an incredible athlete at the quarterback position. I think he's a really good passer of the football. 

I think he'll only get better as time goes. You gotta remember this is his second year going into his third year [with] two good years behind him. If you look at what he's done in his first two years it stacks up with just about any young quarterback coming in the league.

I just think it's all in front of Dak. Although he's had a great two years I think he's only going to get better. I see him out there every day. He's more driven than ever. He's working harder. He's in great shape. He's certainly being the leader he needs to be working with our players as we get closer to more of the organized things as we move toward May and June when we can have organized practices, OTAs and the mini camps. 

 
According to MMQB's Albert Breer, some Cowboys coaches believe Dez Bryant isn't doing enough to adjust his game to counteract his declining physical skills.

Some coaches started seeing Bryant's game slipping back in 2015, and it has continued down that road ever since. No longer able to run by people or jump as high, some think Bryant needs to retool his game like Larry Fitzgerald. There's no questioning Bryant is still one of the toughest, most physical receivers, but there's growing chatter Bryant may not be long for Dallas on his $12.5 million salary. However, his biggest supporters are Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett.

Source: MMQB 

Apr 6 - 11:18 AM
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Dez strikes me as the kind of guy who would respond to getting cut by busting his butt and having an all-pro year, then being malcontent again, sorta like Brandon Marshall. For that reason, I'd be a little nervous about cutting him, only to watch him explode elsewhere, especially if that elsewhere is say, Washington for instance. 

 
travdogg said:
Dez strikes me as the kind of guy who would respond to getting cut by busting his butt and having an all-pro year, then being malcontent again, sorta like Brandon Marshall. For that reason, I'd be a little nervous about cutting him, only to watch him explode elsewhere, especially if that elsewhere is say, Washington for instance. 
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They always want our sloppy seconds.  

 
It’s Shurmuring In Here‏ @AlexxxWilsonnn 20m20 minutes ago

Dez Bryant is reportedly going to be released today. He should hit the market strong and draw interest from teams looking to add a receiver who can’t catch.

#nyg #giants #giantschat

 
squistion said:
It’s Shurmuring In Here‏ @AlexxxWilsonnn 20m20 minutes ago

Dez Bryant is reportedly going to be released today. He should hit the market strong and draw interest from teams looking to add a receiver who can’t catch.

#nyg #giants #giantschat
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LOL

I doubt SF wants that malcontent anywhere near their team

 
The Patriots make the most sense. I guess that will come down to what BB thinks of Dez as a person.. The Bills and Cardinals also desperately need help at WR. My guess is the Jets do something stupid and offer him way too much money.

Do you guys think Dez can convert to a slot like Fitzgerald has?

 
Ilov80s said:
The Patriots make the most sense. I guess that will come down to what BB thinks of Dez as a person.. The Bills and Cardinals also desperately need help at WR. My guess is the Jets do something stupid and offer him way too much money.

Do you guys think Dez can convert to a slot like Fitzgerald has?
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I don't think his hands are good enough, but hes a big target. 

 
Dez responds on Twitter:

Dez Bryant‏ @DezBryant 17m17 minutes ago

let’s start the process #unbothered #ThrowUpTheX

Cowboy nation I need you to know this wasn’t my decision.. I will always love y’all... forever Dallas in my heart

The love is real .. thank you

https://twitter.com/DezBryant

 
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Ilov80s said:
The Patriots make the most sense. I guess that will come down to what BB thinks of Dez as a person player.The Bills and Cardinals also desperately need help at WR. My guess is the Jets do something stupid and offer him way too much money.

Do you guys think Dez can convert to a slot like Fitzgerald has?
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This is all that matters to most teams at day's end. The off field or in locker room issues are balanced with expected performance and it almost always comes down to what results in a better overall game outcome when taking into consideration all those factors.

Dez is not fast. He isn't that physical as compared to his younger years so he no longer plays particularly big... and his hands suck.

Don't think Dez the person is as big an issue as Dez no longer being a very good player. :shrug:  

 
Ilov80s said:
Good point. It's one thing to inconsistent catching 30 yard passes but when a player is inconsistent catching 7 yard passes, then it's not worth it. 
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When a player does both, even worse. When a player does both but acts like he just went for 1,400 yards and 12 TDs? yeah.

 
Koya said:
When a player does both, even worse. When a player does both but acts like he just went for 1,400 yards and 12 TDs? yeah.
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I just meant the risk-reward. A team can live with Tedd Ginn dropping passes because when he does catch the ball, it's usually a 60 yard TD. The risk-reward is good. But if your slot WR is dropping these short passes that are meant as safety valves to keep drives alive, it is all risk and no reward. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I just meant the risk-reward. A team can live with Tedd Ginn dropping passes because when he does catch the ball, it's usually a 60 yard TD. The risk-reward is good. But if your slot WR is dropping these short passes that are meant as safety valves to keep drives alive, it is all risk and no reward. 
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Got ya. So he's like Tedd Ginn.  But much worse.

 
Havent seen anyone mention the Bears...but they just lost Meredith.  Robinson is going to be the WR1, but Gabriel makes a better 3, and Kevin White is a huge unknown.  I think the Bears have a lot of cap space if I am not mistaken, and Dez as a WR2 could make this offense pretty potent if Trubisky pulls a Goff.

 
How much do people think he's going to be looking for in a new contract? Doesn't seem like there are a lot of teams out there with much remaining cap space this late in the game when you take into account draft slots, funds needed for LTBE bonuses, IR, etc. For example, Redskins reportedly only have 16.8M before those charges, and they have the 12th most cap space in the league.

 
Buckna said:
How much do people think he's going to be looking for in a new contract? Doesn't seem like there are a lot of teams out there with much remaining cap space this late in the game when you take into account draft slots, funds needed for LTBE bonuses, IR, etc. For example, Redskins reportedly only have 16.8M before those charges, and they have the 12th most cap space in the league.
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Dallas did him dirty by waiting until the free agency frenzy was over to release him

This is why I never have a problem with players when they decide to hold out for more money

 
Yenrub said:
Dallas did him dirty by waiting until the free agency frenzy was over to release him

This is why I never have a problem with players when they decide to hold out for more money
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I'm not sure there was a market for a

A) 30 year-old WR

B) who lost much of his greatest asset (size/speed combination, his separation & top speed suffered last year)

C) who is terrible at running polished routes

D) and is drop prone (5th worst drop percentage in 2017).

E) and has toxic off-field character issues.

/shrug

Jordy basically only had two of those (A&B) and only got $7M/year for two years.

Crabtree basically had one of those (A) and got $7M/year for three years.

Dez is going to be lucky to get a 1-year $7M deal from someone, imo.  Before or after free agency starts, wouldn't have mattered much.

 
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At this point, Dez shouldn't be able to command what HE thinks he's worth, but someone will probably be dumb enough to overpay for him. 

 
I took a look at some WR numbers from Next Gen Stats.

Combining stats over the past 2 seasons, Dez is one of only 4 WRs who both never cracked the top 20 in the the weekly fastest ballcarriers lists and also averaged less than 2.3 yards of separation per target (min 80 receptions over 2 years). Seems like pretty strong evidence for the "Dez lost a step" theory.

The other 3 are Kelvin Benjamin, Alshon Jeffery, and Michael Crabtree. Interesting that all 4 have changed teams over the past year and change.

 
Phenomena said:
I'm not sure there was a market for a

A) 30 year-old WR

B) who lost much of his greatest asset (size/speed combination, his separation & top speed suffered last year)

C) who is terrible at running polished routes

D) and is drop prone (5th worst drop percentage in 2017).

E) and has toxic off-field character issues.

/shrug

Jordy basically only had two of those (A&B) and only got $7M/year for two years.

Crabtree basically had one of those (A) and got $7M/year for three years.

Dez is going to be lucky to get a 1-year $7M deal from someone, imo.  Before or after free agency starts, wouldn't have mattered much.
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Sounds a lot like Randy Moss at age 30 going into 2007.  He did ok.

 
Dez said:
Sounds a lot like Randy Moss at age 30 going into 2007.  He did ok.
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Stop it.  Completely different caliber of player.  To have any sort of decent season he is going to have to go somewhere with a really good QB where he isn't the #1 WR.  Pretty sure he doesnt set a TD record.

 
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