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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

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TobiasFunke said:
The problem here isn't really the severity of the "assault."  It's more about the fact that Lewandowski and Hicks clearly lied about it, with Lewandowski calling Fields "delusional," and that Trump embraced that lie. Also how it fits into the larger narrative of how the Trump campaign treats the media more generally.
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My statement was a bit tongue and cheek.  This whole thing amounts to another attention grab by both sides.  I maybe downplaying it, but to me its a childish none issue.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Being arrested and convicted are two different things......You know innocent until proven guilty...
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That's not the point I was making there.

Donald has a campaign manager embroiled in a criminal case down in Florida. It's a drain on resources. What's more Donald personally himself defending this guy (probably I'm guessing because there is no one else remotely competent enough to run his campaign besides Lewandowski) is just one more drain on time.

Time. Money. Energy. Issues. These are fundamentals on a campaign. That's what makes campaigns hum more than polls. When campaigns spend even 5 minutes of an interview talking about bs it's 5 minutes they can't talk about the top issues they want to discuss. This is a total massive waste of time and energy on Donald's part but he will just drown himself and his campaign in all this bs.

 
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Hopefully Fields never gets a job again, unfortunately she always tries to make herself part of the story. Did Lewandowski grab her and pull her away?  Yeah probably...but assault? The bruises don't match up with the video. C'mon  :lmao:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Put yourself in the mind of a spoiled frustrated 8th grader who can't get the time of day from the prettiest, most popular girl in class and you'll be closer to Donald's mindset.
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Are you saying Donald doesn't get the attention of the prettiest most popular girls?  I think you should come up with a different analogy. Not too mention Kelly gives him tons of attention, in an obsessed kind of way.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Is Tobias capable of making a point without be a condescending tool?
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Allow me to walk you through the "ignore" process: (1) Click on your alias in the top right-hand corner of the screen. (2) Select "ignored users" (3) in the bar under "add new user to ignore list," type in TobiasFunke and hit the enter key. (4) click "ignore posts" and then hit enter again.

HTH. If only it was that easy to ignore condescending tools in the real world, eh?  We probably wouldn't even have this thread.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That's not the point I was making there.

Donald has a campaign manager embroiled in a criminal case down in Florida. It's a drain on resources. What's more Donald personally himself defending this guy (probably I'm guessing because there is no one else remotely competent enough to run his campaign besides Lewandowski) is just one more drain on time.

Time. Money. Energy. These are fundamentals on a campaign. When campaigns spend even 5 minutes of an interview talking about bs it's 5 minutes they can't talk about the top issues they want to discuss. This is a total massive waste of time and energy on Donald's part but he will just drown himself and his campaign in all this bs.
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I'll agree with that...If Trump were a thinking man he would turn this into a: "This is what is wrong with the American legal system and how he is going to change things"..."Can't even protect our borders and arrest those who enter illegally (some major criminals), but have no problem arresting one person for grabbing another's arm"

 
Card Trader said:
Are you saying Donald doesn't get the attention of the prettiest most popular girls?  I think you should come up with a different analogy. Not too mention Kelly gives him tons of attention, in an obsessed kind of way.
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He's obsessed. "It's not faaaaiiirrrr...." ...... "They only like her because they like mmmeeeeeee."

That's an actual grown man with a billion dollars and a super model wife talking on national tv in that clip. As Donald would say, Sad!

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Allow me to walk you through the "ignore" process: (1) Click on your alias in the top right-hand corner of the screen. (2) Select "ignored users" (3) in the bar under "add new user to ignore list," type in TobiasFunke and hit the enter key. (4) click "ignore posts" and then hit enter again.

HTH. If only it was that easy to ignore condescending tools in the real world, eh?  We probably wouldn't even have this thread.
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A simple no would have sufficed 

 
Card Trader said:
Are you saying Donald doesn't get the attention of the prettiest most popular girls?  I think you should come up with a different analogy.
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It's always the one you can't get who drives you nuts. Plus he's a thin-skinned narcissist so he's not able to cope with criticism. Especially from a woman.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
I'll agree with that...If Trump were a thinking man he would turn this into a: "This is what is wrong with the American legal system and how he is going to change things"..."Can't even protect our borders and arrest those who enter illegally (some major criminals), but have no problem arresting one person for grabbing another's arm"
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Ok, fine, take it somewhere, anywhere, real. He just wastes time, the whole thing.

 
I think this Lewandiwski thing is actually going to help Trump.  Most people are going to look at this and think it is ridiculous that Fields filed criminal charges over that.  Seems like more wacky PC liberal stuff, which is fueling a lot of the Trump movement.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Allow me to walk you through the "ignore" process: (1) Click on your alias in the top right-hand corner of the screen. (2) Select "ignored users" (3) in the bar under "add new user to ignore list," type in TobiasFunke and hit the enter key. (4) click "ignore posts" and then hit enter again.

HTH. If only it was that easy to ignore condescending tools in the real world, eh?  We probably wouldn't even have this thread.
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:rolleyes:

 
Higgs said:
I think this Lewandiwski thing is actually going to help Trump.  Most people are going to look at this and think it is ridiculous that Fields filed criminal charges over that.  Seems like more wacky PC liberal stuff, which is fueling a lot of the Trump movement.
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Couldn't agree more.  People are tired of this and so far they have shown it at the polls. I think it will continue and this type of thing won't hurt a bit. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
A simple no would have sufficed 
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Sure, but isn't this better? Why would you ever want to hear from a condescending tool?  Like I said, I'd kill for a real life "ignore" feature so I'd never have to hear from condescending tools like for example the presumptive GOP nominee. Here's your chance to live the dream, GB!

 
Higgs said:
I think this Lewandiwski thing is actually going to help Trump.  Most people are going to look at this and think it is ridiculous that Fields filed criminal charges over that.  Seems like more wacky PC liberal stuff, which is fueling a lot of the Trump movement.
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He'll probably get more votes because his campaign manager gets charged?

No.  Anyone that thinks that his campaign manger is getting a raw deal is already on board the Trump Train!

'Oh, sure, she has bruises, but come on, she wasn't even bleeding!  Maybe she bruises easily!  It happens, you know....'

 
I love how Trump supporters defend every stupid thing that comes out of his mouth, every crass misstep of his campaign as everyone else just being too darn PC.

 
massraider said:
He'll probably get more votes because his campaign manager gets charged?

No.  Anyone that thinks that his campaign manger is getting a raw deal is already on board the Trump Train!

'Oh, sure, she has bruises, but come on, she wasn't even bleeding!  Maybe she bruises easily!  It happens, you know....'
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Have you seen the video?

 
Higgs said:
I've meant to respond a couple of times with this exact explanation, but I thought it was generally assumed that this is what we we were thinking.  The guy is a blow hard.  He talks way way too much.  When you an anti PC guy, with no experience in politics, and you talk a lot - guess what?  You are going to say a few things that are totally outrageous, particularly when viewed on a stand-alone basis without any further refinement of what was meant.  Here's my take, and I said it from day 1 - Trump probably meant to say that the moratorium for immigration was to be from Muslim countries where there has been a history of terrorism.  The next question is, if he misrepresented that, why didn't he take it back?  Great question, and one we will hopefully get an answer to some day when Trump's autobiography comes out.  My guess is that the guy learned from an early age that acknowledging mistakes is a sign of weakness.  He rarely does it.  He won't say "I was wrong".  What he may say is, "I have changed my mind", or, "I have evolved".  It's one of my biggest problems with him to be honest.  I think it borders on unnecessary and unhelpful hubris and hurts him way more than it helps.

Of course, I could be wrong and he knows exactly what he is doing, and he really is a bigot.  I have to concede this as a possibility.  I wouldn't presume to make any definitive declarations about what is in a guy's heart, and I can't understand why people on the Left feel that they have the magical ability to do so.
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Sure seems like a lot of mental gymnastics are required to keep supporting this guy. If he says something stupid or bigoted, he didn't mean it. He actually probably meant this other more reasonable thing. It's all a function of being unrehearsed and talking too much. But, he's also really smart and has the temperament and judgment to be president. 

I mean, I know actions speak louder than words, but artful, tactful use of words is actually really important in politics. If he can't open his mouth without sticking both feet in, maybe it's time for a teleprompter. 

 
Higgs said:
I think this Lewandiwski thing is actually going to help Trump.  Most people are going to look at this and think it is ridiculous that Fields filed criminal charges over that.  Seems like more wacky PC liberal stuff, which is fueling a lot of the Trump movement.
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Ok, I tell you what, let's look at the current polls in these key states - PA, WI & CA. And let's see where they go by the next round of polling which does not overlap with prior date ranges.

WI: T 31 / K 29 / C 27

CA: T 36 / C 35 / K 14

PA: T 33 / K 30 / C 20

eta - Personally I think this will affect the trust levels he has with people. He's laying his credibility on the line with this stupidity.

 
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Higgs said:
I think this Lewandiwski thing is actually going to help Trump.  Most people are going to look at this and think it is ridiculous that Fields filed criminal charges over that.  Seems like more wacky PC liberal stuff, which is fueling a lot of the Trump movement.
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I think this is a possibility, which is why I think his opponents should focus on the lying angle more than the assault angle. A campaign manager calling someone a delusional liar for accusing him of something he very clearly did is not a great look.

 
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massraider said:
What should blow your mind is that America's Republicans like these two guys the best.
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It shows that Republican party is pretty split.  You have a part that is super religious and uses the bible as their compass and another part that doesn't care about social issues like gay marriage, abortion and marijuana.  The only thing they agree on is that government handouts for the lazy are way too high.  Time for a real 3rd party, and that's what this election is about.

 
Card Trader said:
It shows that Republican party is pretty split.  You have a part that is super religious and uses the bible as their compass and another part that doesn't care about social issues like gay marriage, abortion and marijuana.  The only thing they agree on is that government handouts for the lazy are way too high.  Time for a real 3rd party, and that's what this election is about.
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Donald is winning the evangelicals though, right?

 
massraider said:
He'll probably get more votes because his campaign manager gets charged?

No. Anyone that thinks that his campaign manger is getting a raw deal is already on board the Trump Train!

'Oh, sure, she has bruises, but come on, she wasn't even bleeding! Maybe she bruises easily! It happens, you know....'
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The logic is that it helps him in the primary but I think stuff like this will have an inverse proportional effect in the general. For every republican who sees this and thinks "This is my guy." there's an independent who sees this and thinks "What the #### is going on?'.

Card Trader said:
The thing that blows my mind about the Trump haters is that I think they all would consider Ted Cruz a better option...
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Lol no, what a ####ty generalization.

 
Card Trader said:
It shows that Republican party is pretty split.  You have a part that is super religious and uses the bible as their compass and another part that doesn't care about social issues like gay marriage, abortion and marijuana.  The only thing they agree on is that government handouts for the lazy are way too high.  Time for a real 3rd party, and that's what this election is about.
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It's really not what the election is about.  

This election is about GOP leadership looking on helplessly as the monster they created spins completely out of control.  They stopped caring about issues long ago, gathered votes through fear and hatred, and Trump is just taking it to the next level.  

Cruz is next level as well, meaning going so far right to get the church folk, that he is un-electable.  

This is what the GOP started with W., and now they are reaping what they sow.  

 
massraider said:
It's really not what the election is about.  

This election is about GOP leadership looking on helplessly as the monster they created spins completely out of control.  They stopped caring about issues long ago, gathered votes through fear and hatred, and Trump is just taking it to the next level.  

Cruz is next level as well, meaning going so far right to get the church folk, that he is un-electable.  

This is what the GOP started with W., and now they are reaping what they sow.  
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Thanks for clearing it up for me.  :lmao:

 
Card Trader said:
It shows that Republican party is pretty split.  You have a part that is super religious and uses the bible as their compass and another part that doesn't care about social issues like gay marriage, abortion and marijuana.  The only thing they agree on is that government handouts for the lazy are way too high.  Time for a real 3rd party, and that's what this election is about.
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What makes you think that everybody getting government assistance is lazy?

 
Ditka Butkus said:
I'll agree with that...If Trump were a thinking man he would turn this into a: "This is what is wrong with the American legal system and how he is going to change things"..."Can't even protect our borders and arrest those who enter illegally (some major criminals), but have no problem arresting one person for grabbing another's arm"
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If I ever campaign for something I want you as my manager.  There are no problems, only opportunities.  Every sword is two-edged.   Retreat is just attack in a different direction.  You are better than the best and brightest he has found to work on his campaign.

 
cap'n grunge said:
I love how Trump supporters defend every stupid thing that comes out of his mouth, every crass misstep of his campaign as everyone else just being too darn PC.
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I'm not defending Lewandowski.  I've said in here many times that I don't particularly care for the guy, and that I think he and Pierson may be hurting Trump.  My comment was that this bogus "criminal" charge is going to help Trump at the polls.  People don't like bogus cases like this moving forward, especially when we see real criminal cases involving illegals who were not deported as they should have been.  Sorry, but Fields comes off looking horrible here, and that's what a lot of people in the middle without an axe to grind are going to focus on.

 
massraider said:
It's really not what the election is about.  

This election is about GOP leadership looking on helplessly as the monster they created spins completely out of control.  They stopped caring about issues long ago, gathered votes through fear and hatred, and Trump is just taking it to the next level.  

Cruz is next level as well, meaning going so far right to get the church folk, that he is un-electable.  

This is what the GOP started with W., and now they are reaping what they sow.  
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You can almost rewrite this...

It's really not what the election is about.  

This election is about Democratic leadership looking on helplessly as the monster they created spins completely out of control.  They stopped caring about issues long ago, gathered votes through fear and racial politics, and Hilary is just taking it to the next level.  

Bernie is next level as well, meaning going so far left to get the Hippie folk, that he is un-electable.  

This is what the Democrats started with O. and now they are reaping what they sow.  

 
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