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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (1 Viewer)

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Outrage at "media fabricated stories" :lol:  

It's like people just started paying attention to politics. This is just the race for the nomination, he's just messing up interviews with TV hacks. Imagine if he wins and starts having to do something. Would be epic trainwreck.

 
Skoo said:
All politics aside, Kasich simply doesn't have the presence needed to become President.

Honestly, after watching him in interviews and speeches, I'm surprised he was able to be elected Governor.

Right or not, you can't become President without being a good public speaker. And he is anything but that.
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That's true, but he strikes big points for being genuine.  A lot of people, myself included, realize charisma and public speaking ability aren't the be all end all.  

 
Skoo said:
Funny, I thought about that while typing that post, but even he had a much better stage presence than Kasich. Don't get me wrong, I agree that he's the only somewhat moderate Republican running so if I were forced to choose a Republican to be President, it would definitely be him.

He just doesn't have "it". Like, at all.
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Bush definitely had a presence and his bumbling came off as charming. Historically, Americans have tended to prefer a President that is more, "regular Joe that I could have a beer with" than an intellectual. I don't think Kasich comes off as either. He is very "blah". 

 
dfsguy said:
If anyone wins besides Trump the middle class will continue to get devoured by illegal immigration and or free trade. The big donors that want to keep destroying the middle class for their own financial gain are scared of Trump because they don't own him. They know Trump would put American's first with his nationalist attitude and they NEED a globalist to win like Hillary, so you'll even see Republican donors prefer Hillary over Trump for that very reason. These people control the media (fox news talk radio etc) they send out the marching orders against Trump and these people(levin, Rush, Kelly etc) manipulate the voters that don't have the desire or time to fact check every hit piece put out on Trump that is mostly BS.

As for Kasich, whenever I hear him talk about illegal immigration and he says think of the children the only thought that goes through my mind is "Puppet for the donors that want cheap labor, he's a cuck"

It is Trump or bust for me, and no matter how many fabricated stories the media puts out I won't change my mind on that.
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So you're voting for the only guy who was an actual big donor and who actually outsourced American jobs and who brought in foreign labor to take American jobs?  The only one who's actually done all of these things is the one to fix them?

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James Daulton said:
So you're voting for the only guy who was an actual big donor and who actually outsourced American jobs and who brought in foreign labor to take American jobs?  The only one who's actually done all of these things is the one to fix them?

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You're doing the classic case of hating the player and not the game. As a former player Trump will know how to change the game so it benefits American citizens.

 
dfsguy said:
Illegals are willing to work for less money so they devalue the hourly wage of many jobs.
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Skilled labor?  I don't think so.  Illegals are mainly hired to do the manual labor jobs that most US citizens won't do.  And even if they did they certainly wouldn't be middle class.  Try again.

 
dfsguy said:
You're doing the classic case of hating the player and not the game. As a former player Trump will know how to change the game so it benefits American citizens.
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So put the fox in charge of the hen house because, you know, he knows how to get in and out.  He won't now because he's in charge, but he'll stop anyone else who tries.

Got it.

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Trump’s Wrong on NATO, Says Joint Chiefs Chairman


TAMPA – Donald Trump is wrong. NATO is not “very obsolete.”

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Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, flipped the script on Trump’s recent eyebrow-raising assessment, saying the alliance isn’t out of touch, but a candidate who challenges its importance is.

“In my mind, the relevance of NATO is not at all in question,” Dunford told reporters Wednesday at U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM.

A former commander of all NATO forces in Afghanistan, Dunford — joined by Defense Secretary Ash Carter — said the transatlantic alliance between Washington and Europe remains essential to U.S. security interests across a wide swath of the world’s surface.

Carter said NATO soon may join the international fight against the Islamic State as a collective alliance. Several of its members already contribute independently to the informal counter-ISIS coalition. If NATO decides to enter the war, it would bring increased legal authority and firepower to the fight with the terrorist group. It would also mark the alliance’s latest expeditionary military action outside of Europe and alongside the United States.

So, is NATO “very obsolete?”

“I think that question is probably a question that might have been asked 15 years ago,” Dunford said, dismissively but without mentioning Trump. “But it’s hard to think about asking that question today.”

Over the past decade, NATO has supplied troops to fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

“I had the privilege of commanding NATO forces in Afghanistan. And when you think about it, it’s pretty extraordinary that for ten years, NATO has formed the core of a coalition in Afghanistan that has stayed together and is still is together today with the Resolute Support mission, to move Afghanistan in the future.”

Today, NATO is helping build foreign militaries in North Africa and elsewhere, he noted.

Carter listed several current NATO operations, including helping with the flow of refugees across the Aegean Sea and countering a resurgent Russia.

“We are working with NATO now on strengthening the deterrence of Russia, Russian aggression, and also so-called hybrid warfare in Europe. We’re working with NATO allies on security issues in the Mediterranean that derive from ISIL,” the secretary said. “There is a lot that NATO has done and is doing.” ...
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http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2016/03/trump-nato-joint-chiefs-chairman/127125/

 
i am going to say any thing that i do not like is fabricated by the media from now on so when i am sittin around tonight having a pbr and watching vikings and just rippin stink bombs and my lady complains i will just say no way that was fabricated by the media although now i am afraid she might call the cops like that swedish thing take to the bank bromigos 

 
dfsguy said:
michelle fields hoax, taking trump's answer on abortion out of context, labeling him a racist, blaming Trump and Trump supporters when protesters shut down free speech, saying Trump was getting his supporters at a rally to do a nazi salute. I could go on but i think you get the point.
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Michelle Fields hoax? The video is made up? The charges are made up?

His answer on abortion is what he said. No one twisted anything there.

Racist? Ok a stretch, but I don't think the media has been calling him that as much as it's the anti-Trump movement running with that one.

Hasn't Trump told his supporters to "rough up" protesters before?

 
James Daulton said:
Skilled labor?  I don't think so.  Illegals are mainly hired to do the manual labor jobs that most US citizens won't do.  And even if they did they certainly wouldn't be middle class.  Try again.
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This is somewhere I think the Democratic Party has gone heavily awry.  While illegal immigration greatly affects agricultural employment, it also affects manufacturing and service industry work in a big way. Manufacturing jobs (including textiles and garment manufacturing) were the quintessential middle class job at one point.  Sweatshops have impacted that in part, though obviously overseas outsourcing has been even bigger.

 
dfsguy said:
michelle fields hoax, taking trump's answer on abortion out of context, labeling him a racist, blaming Trump and Trump supporters when protesters shut down free speech, saying Trump was getting his supporters at a rally to do a nazi salute. I could go on but i think you get the point.
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lol  He loves guys like and his entire chances rest on people like you. God bless.

 
dfsguy said:
You're doing the classic case of hating the player and not the game. As a former player Trump will know how to change the game so it benefits American citizens.
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Explain how the prostitute is arrested but not the john?

And you think if a politician gets a bribe and is guilty then the bribing businessman is not guilty and should not also go to jail?

 
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Henry Ford said:
This is somewhere I think the Democratic Party has gone heavily awry.  While illegal immigration greatly affects agricultural employment, it also affects manufacturing and service industry work in a big way. Manufacturing jobs (including textiles and garment manufacturing) were the quintessential middle class job at one point.  Sweatshops have impacted that in part, though obviously overseas outsourcing has been even bigger.
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When I think of middle class I think of skilled labor.  Plumbers, electricians, steel workers, etc.  Not some guy who puts a corks on a bottle on an assembly line.  Those jobs fell out of the middle class long ago.

 
MattFancy said:
Michelle Fields hoax? The video is made up? The charges are made up? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3515932/Clinton-backer-called-Trump-divisive-inflammatory-charge-Trump-aide-prosecution-Florida.html

His answer on abortion is what he said. No one twisted anything there. His answer was a response to a hypothetical question asked, they left the context out on purpose

Racist? Ok a stretch, but I don't think the media has been calling him that as much as it's the anti-Trump movement running with that one.

Hasn't Trump told his supporters to "rough up" protesters before? Trump once said if you see someone about to throw something at me, take them out. He never said take someone out for protesting him.
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What about those of us who believe that: 

1. Free trade is good for America including the middle class

2. Illegal immigration is good for America including the middle class

3. The status quo (our current leading politicians on both sides) aren't that bad; at least they try to do their best for the American people; it could be far worse. 

4. The establishment is a good thing. Corporations are, in general, a good thing. Wall Street is, in general, a good thing. 

5. Hillary Clinton will make a fine President because she is a good person who knows a lot of stuff and she wants to do what's right for the country and for the world. 

I feel like these views, which I genuinely hold and which much of the public does as well, are underrepresented in this forum. 

 
dfsguy said:
His answer on abortion is what he said. No one twisted anything there. His answer was a response to a hypothetical question asked, they left the context out on purpose
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Please, by all means, post the entire part of the interview concerning abortion, and tell us just how it was taken out of context.

 
Trump was answering hypothetical questions on what happens if abortion were made illegal. Fair question. His response was beyond dumb.

Just like his response when asked how do you deport 13 million people. 

Just like his response on many topics when you ask him specifically on his policies.

To call the guy a lightweight is an insult to lightweights. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Sure.  They need to be reigned in, too.
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But that's my point.  Seems to be a cop out just to say "the illegals are taking our jobs!".  No, they're not.  Someone is hiring them - they are the ones hurting the middle class, not the immigrants.  Immigrants can't take our jobs without someone GIVING it to them.

 
timschochet said:
What about those of us who believe that: 

1. Free trade is good for America including the middle class

2. Illegal immigration is good for America including the middle class

3. The status quo (our current leading politicians on both sides) aren't that bad; at least they try to do their best for the American people; it could be far worse. 

4. The establishment is a good thing. Corporations are, in general, a good thing. Wall Street is, in general, a good thing. 

5. Hillary Clinton will make a fine President because she is a good person who knows a lot of stuff and she wants to do what's right for the country and for the world. 

I feel like these views, which I genuinely hold and which much of the public does as well, are underrepresented in this forum. 
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I highly disagree with 3.  But don't think we start the cleanse with the presidency.

Not fully on board with 4 either.

And 5...I really have no confidence that she is a good person.  Out of all the candidates, she is the most like Trump for being unlikable and willing to lie and sell anyone out for more power.

 
timschochet said:
What about those of us who believe that: 

1. Free trade is good for America including the middle class

2. Illegal immigration is good for America including the middle class

3. The status quo (our current leading politicians on both sides) aren't that bad; at least they try to do their best for the American people; it could be far worse. 

4. The establishment is a good thing. Corporations are, in general, a good thing. Wall Street is, in general, a good thing. 

5. Hillary Clinton will make a fine President because she is a good person who knows a lot of stuff and she wants to do what's right for the country and for the world. 

I feel like these views, which I genuinely hold and which much of the public does as well, are underrepresented in this forum. 
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Holy cow.  I think your the Bizarro to my Superman.  We could not be more opposite.  It sounds like all is sunny in your world.  I can understand why you would want 4 more years of Obama's white house.

 
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James Daulton said:
When I think of middle class I think of skilled labor.  Plumbers, electricians, steel workers, etc.  Not some guy who puts a corks on a bottle on an assembly line.  Those jobs fell out of the middle class long ago.
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There's a reason garment manufacturing pay is lower in Los Angeles than it is in Washington.  Port of Long Beach brings in plenty of people willing to sew clothes for pennies.

 
timschochet said:
What about those of us who believe that: 

1. Free trade is good for America including the middle class

2. Illegal immigration is good for America including the middle class

3. The status quo (our current leading politicians on both sides) aren't that bad; at least they try to do their best for the American people; it could be far worse. 

4. The establishment is a good thing. Corporations are, in general, a good thing. Wall Street is, in general, a good thing. 

5. Hillary Clinton will make a fine President because she is a good person who knows a lot of stuff and she wants to do what's right for the country and for the world. 

I feel like these views, which I genuinely hold and which much of the public does as well, are underrepresented in this forum. 
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I think those people should vote for Clinton.  However, I think they should understand that Bernie supporters who are willing to vote for other candidates over her don't hold those views 

 
timschochet said:
Nor sunny necessarily but no blizzard either. I'm an optimist for sure.
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I made a quick edit to my post.  I hope my response didn't come across as snarky, it wasn't meant to be.  I can understand then why you would want four more years of Obama's presidency. 

 
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dfsguy said:
michelle fields hoax
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The current working theory is that Donald was approached at a press event by a hot reporter chick with a pen bomb and his campaign manager had to intervene where the Secret Service would not to save Donald.

Please continue.

 
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/374564/happy-border-control-day-mark-krikorian

Chavez, founder of the United Farm Workers union, was a fierce opponent of illegal immigration and supporter of tight border controls. That’s why it’s fitting to observe March 31 each year as National Border Control Day, in honor of the farmworker leader. Chavez’s core insight was based on the law of supply and demand — farm work would remain low-paid, exploitative work so long as an unlimited supply of stoop labor could just come across the border and undercut his efforts at increasing pay and benefits. It’s a lesson today’s promoters of “immigration reform” — i.e., amnesty, more immigration, and weaker enforcement — would do well to heed.
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In a 1972 interview, he described a strike in which the employer was unable to find strikebreakers; then, “all of the sudden yesterday morning, they brought in 220 wetbacks, these are the illegals, from Mexico.” In 1973, Chavez sent his cousin Manuel down to the border to establish a “wet line” patrol to prevent illegal aliens from coming in to break a strike. Unlike the peaceful and hands-off Minuteman gatherings a few years ago, the United Farm Workers’ efforts sometimes involved more direct means of border control, including roughing up the illegals.
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dfsguy said:
You're doing the classic case of hating the player and not the game. As a former player Trump will know how to change the game so it benefits American citizens.
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Look I like Donald Trump too, but c'mon. Is he also going to "give it 110%" and "play through the whistle"? Maybe "Take it one game at a time"?  

He's thin on policy, alarmingly uninformed at times, doesn't want advisors because he doesn't work that way (a notable trait in many professions, but not for POTUS, see Jimmy Carter's time as his own Chief of Staff). 

In the end, Make America Great Again or whatever is a brand. Understand what Don is all about. He's great at it too. But it's marketing manipulation. He's a marketer. He likes to call that being a deal maker. Ok. 

 
Blick said:
Congrats on your "win".  Unfortunately it just helps perpetuate a lot of wrongs in our government.
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I agree with you in terms of the wrongs, but never felt Trump was a solution to them.  Someone like Ron Paul would have been.  This groundswell of Republican angst is four years too late, imo.  You had a great candidate to get behind, but just couldn't put the pieces together at the time.  

 
Captain Cranks said:
I agree with you in terms of the wrongs, but never felt Trump was a solution to them.  Someone like Ron Paul would have been.  This groundswell of Republican angst is four years too late, imo.  You had a great candidate to get behind, but just couldn't put the pieces together at the time.  
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Agreed, although Ron Paul kind of carries the "crazy" libertarian tag with him.  I thought Rand had a good showing in the early debates, but never gained any traction. 

 
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Trump once said if you see someone about to throw something at me, take them out. He never said take someone out for protesting him.
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And it's only the media that fabricates stories and takes quotes out of context! :lol:

 
Captain Cranks said:
I agree with you in terms of the wrongs, but never felt Trump was a solution to them.  Someone like Ron Paul would have been.  This groundswell of Republican angst is four years too late, imo.  You had a great candidate to get behind, but just couldn't put the pieces together at the time.  
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Ron Paul vs Bernie Sanders angry old man show would be great. 

 
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