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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (2 Viewers)
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theothervcruz
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My decision comes down to Latavius vs Washington vs Riddick in PPR
While this thread gets me excited about Washington, he honestly is 3rd on that list for this week
L. Murray plays @BALT.
D. Washington faces CHI run D that was just slaughtered by Zeke.
Washington deserves serious consideration in this case.
theothervcruz
Footballguy
kyoun1e said:
Washington is getting serious consideration or else my decision would just be Latavius versus Riddick.
Zeke slaughtered Chicago's run defense but that is Zeke. Washington has neither the talent or the offensive line to draw too much from that example. The Chi D shut down the Philly run game allowing just 90 rushing yards to RBs. Granted they allowed 2 tds to Mathews but that was fluky as it was Smallwood/Barner on one drive and Sproles on another that got them to the 3 yard line and 1 yard line before Mathews plunged in. Outside of that, Mathews was 9 carries for 32 yards. Granted Washington is the GL back, so IF the Lions did find themselves at the 1 or 3 yard line, he'd benefit but can we bank on that? The Bears did allow 106 rushing yards to Lamar Miller but it took 28 carries for 3.8ypc and no TD. Do we expect Washington to get 28 carries like Miller did? Or 30 like Elliott? If I knew for a fact he was headed for that type of volume, then by all means he immediately goes to the top of the list. I know Latavius has a tough matchup but he also had a tough one against TEN - who shut down AP in Week 1 and didn't let any Detroit RB get 40 rushing yards in Week 2 - and still found the end zone. Granted without the TD he'd have only gotten 4.8 points but 3 TDs in 3 games gives me a little more comfort in rolling him out there.
I do like Washington but I want to see it - more than this past game anyhow - before I buy into it. Murray was my 4th round pick and while major red flags have risen, I'm not going to bump him off as my RB2 that quickly for a relative unknown.
Don't blame you for wanting to see it first.
Didn't the Chicago run D JUST lose a bunch of additional bodies? That impressive performance against PHI may have had the benefit of better personnel.
Also, Latavius is sharing with a minimum of two others. You could argue three. With Washington, it's Theo only (unless J. Bell screws all of us).
theothervcruz
Footballguy
The Bears were without Trevathan and Goldman and they'll be out this week as well so that is something to consider but personally that excites me more about their passing game than their running game, especially with Kyle Fuller also out. Yeah, the Cowboys ran right through them but if your QB is Prescott and you have a stud RB and a stud OL, wouldn't running be your game plan? I don't see the Lions copying that game plan given how strong their passing game has been (3rd in passing yards) and that Washington is a rookie and Riddick absolutely sucked as a rusher this past week. No doubt Chicago can be run on but will the Lions run on them enough and will Washington get enough volume/GL touches to have a solid fantasy day? I just don't know. There is a good chance but I just don't know. I need to see it before I outright bench my 4th round pick who hasn't been an epic bust by any means. Plus, as someone who owns Stafford, Marvin Jones and Ebron in multiple leagues, I'd love to just see them light up Chicago in the air anyways.
Although I have to ask, we could argue three? It's Richard, DeAndre Washington and.......who? No other back has gotten more than 1 carry in any of the 3 games.
Tells me they feel good enough about DW that they don't need to bring in another back to help. It's Riddick and Washington or bust....Btw what does that tell you about how the lions feel about Washington?
Although it was my Bears signed Bell - that should also tell us everything we need to know about Bell ?
ryno1980
Footballguy
Says more about their confidence in Zenner as the back-up to Washington than anything.Btw what does that tell you about how the lions feel about Washington?
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
officially speaking, Riddick is still the lead back, Washington the backup, Zenner in the wing. Since people seem to be getting serious about starting SwaggieDTM (and some of the situations posted here are understandable), just wanted to point that out so it's not lost on anyone. Comparison of this situation to L Murray is not yet warranted, Murray over Washington in a heartbeat for this week despite matchup until Washington officially relegates Riddick, imo. Riddick got more snaps in that last game, same number of carries. SSND's post outlined this already.
btw third back in Oakland is Taiwan Jones.
btw third back in Oakland is Taiwan Jones.
jimmykick
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Start him this week or get off the train.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Welp, still own him in one league but in another someone is hard on his hype train. Had to take the offer I got (2018 high devy pick from a deep rebuild, these picks hold a lot of trade value in our league)
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
I feel bad but probably sitting him for Pryor.
The matchup couldnt get much better unless maybe at home. Wish I could get him in the lineup this week but I can be patient.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I cut Forsett last week and it felt great. I watched a lot of their 1st two games.
Would definitely play Washington over him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I own both Howard & Washington. All the experts have the Bears RB higher - makes sense based on expected touches - but I like the Lions RB's upside more.
Duke & Henry have a low ceiling due to the starters in front of them.
Swagger in the Flex.
Snap counts from the GB game:
Riddick 45/68 - 17 touches
Swagger 25/69 - 11 touches
Zenner 0/68 - 9 ST snaps
Duke & Henry have a low ceiling due to the starters in front of them.
Swagger in the Flex.
Snap counts from the GB game:
Riddick 45/68 - 17 touches
Swagger 25/69 - 11 touches
Zenner 0/68 - 9 ST snaps
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Banger
Footballguy
Right. Watch the film from last week and gameplan this week. Who are you giving the ball to ?
wahsington is a raw rookie but he'll get more week by week because he has the most talent of any RB on the roster. It's why he flew up the depth chart like he did.
scott46984
Footballguy
Starting out of desperation due to injuries, but it's a reach............hoping to get lucky but certainly not confident
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Martin injured and Lacy on bye. Starting him this week with confidence
I understand starting him due to desperation.
In no way can I see anyone starting him with confidence.
creepythinman
Footballguy
I beg to differ. Put Washington on Dallas that game and give him 30 carries and he would've gone for 200+.
matuski
Footballguy
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Debating between Beasley and him for my final flex spot. Leaning Beasley
Interseptopus
Footballguy
So you're saying Washington is better talent than Elliott?
Cripes... when did this thread start passing out kool aid. Washington has potential to be a reasonable rb2. If he makes it to a bye week fill in or flex play I think many of us will be very happy. Let's keep it reasonable.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
100% of the experts across the FF landscape have Jordan Howard ranked higher than Dwayne Swagger Washington.
In some cases it's quite significant, as in high end RB2 v. low end RB3.
There are justifiable reasons for that - Howard should get more touches, and so far Swagger isn't really involved in the passing game.
I found it significant Swagger received touches on 44% of his snaps (v. 38% of Riddick's snaps.)
Neither defense inspires much confidence. Detroit v. RBs - 5.31 YPC. No rush TDs allowed, but they've allowed a league high 10 passing TDs. Serious coverage issues v. TEs the first two games, and somehow in the Packers game they found themselves assigning a LB to cover Jordy Nelson (wanna guess how that ended?) The Bears are giving up more than 120 rushing yards /game with 4 TDs allowed. Both defenses are really beat up injury wise.
The Lions have a huge advantage at QB.
The Lions have rushed the ball 20 or more times three straight games to open the season, longest streak since 2014.
Detroit has won six straight games in the series, though all but one game was decided 8 points or less (e.g., one score.)
In some cases it's quite significant, as in high end RB2 v. low end RB3.
There are justifiable reasons for that - Howard should get more touches, and so far Swagger isn't really involved in the passing game.
I found it significant Swagger received touches on 44% of his snaps (v. 38% of Riddick's snaps.)
Neither defense inspires much confidence. Detroit v. RBs - 5.31 YPC. No rush TDs allowed, but they've allowed a league high 10 passing TDs. Serious coverage issues v. TEs the first two games, and somehow in the Packers game they found themselves assigning a LB to cover Jordy Nelson (wanna guess how that ended?) The Bears are giving up more than 120 rushing yards /game with 4 TDs allowed. Both defenses are really beat up injury wise.
The Lions have a huge advantage at QB.
The Lions have rushed the ball 20 or more times three straight games to open the season, longest streak since 2014.
Detroit has won six straight games in the series, though all but one game was decided 8 points or less (e.g., one score.)
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
With Martin injured, Mathews on bye, Woodhead on the shelf I'm either starting Washington or Artis-Payne at RB #2, not ideal by any means.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
THIS JUST IN
At Washington his nickname was....
Swaggy
#truestorybro
At Washington his nickname was....
Swaggy
#truestorybro
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I think this is what it comes down to. Howard doesn't have much competition for touches, while Washington has Riddick to complete with. There's no doubting that the Detroit offense is more potent. I have Washington and could have easily claimed Howard on waivers but elected not to. I just don't trust players on bad offensive teams. Had I not been stuck watching the Bears on Monday night and then on Sunday night (and the NFL wonders why ratings are down) I may have taken a shot at him, possibly at the expense of Washington.
Washington has to earn carries while they're basically given to Howard at this point. But Howard's situation could prove to be temporary, while there are reports that Abdullah could potentially be out for the season. So I guess in terms of who the better option is depends on your team. If you're in dire need of help now, Howard may be the better option. If you can get by with what you've got in hopes that Washington could be gold, he may be the better choice.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I'm choosing between him, Ware and GioJayded said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I have both, and I'm torn who to Flex. Maybe I'll get crazy and bench Freeman or Ingram so I can start both.
My eyes tell me who is the better RB, but situation is favorable to Howard.
But I have a feeling Cooter is going to give Swaggy a lot of work this weekend. He's not a great option for me (full PPR) but the HR threat is intriguing.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I personally don't have a lot of faith in Gio. Coming into this season I didn't feel that he would be utilized in the same manner with Hue Jackson being gone. It's too early to tell about that.
If it were between him and Ware, Washington has the better matchup, Ware is likely to get the most touches. Ware hasn't had a lot of points the past 2 weeks. He averaged 5.7 YPC against the Texans and 3.75 against the Jets. Those aren't terrible games. He just didn't score.
I expect the Lions to be in firm control of this game, which should allow them to run the ball more. But, it is a division game so there is an added element of unpredictability. If the Lions are able to hold a lead, Washington could be given a decent workload. If they have a commanding lead, they could give Washington a bunch of carries to see how he does.
I have both guys, and my team is in good shape right now, so I'm sitting both. But if I had to choose between the two, I would lean toward Ware. He's going to get the reps, Washington's are dependent upon the Lions keeping the game close or are leading. But even if they are, we don't know that Washington will get touches. We know that Ware will.
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If you look at the table, vs SD gained +2 YPC more than avg, +0.9 vs HOU and then +0.5 vs Jets. The Steelers are giving up 3.8 YPC right now. They haven't played any great rushing teams. The Bengals aren't running the ball particularly great, the Redskins aren't a good rushing team and the Eagles had a great game against them, but weren't much on the ground prior to the game. I think Ware has the ability to average 4.3-4.5 YPC. His touches are limited as well, since they're a pass first offense (10, 11, 20, respectively). He caught 7, 2, & 1 balls, respectively, in those contests. So 17, 13, 21 touches in those 3 games.
Pittsburgh is a different team at home.The Steelers averaged over 30 points per game at home in 2015. Last year the Steelers threw 19 TDs vs 7 INT at home compared to 7 TD vs 14 INT on the road. I expect their offense to get back on track, especially with the return of LeVeon Bell this week. He is a better RB than Williams and a much bigger contributor in the pass game. If that is true, then the Chiefs could be throwing a lot as they play from behind (their offense isn't as dynamic as Pittsburgh's when they're clicking).
Ware Prediction: 115 total yards, 1 TD.
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VaTerp
Footballguy
Just realized he was still out there in my 10 team league that I dont invest much time in. Cut Foster for him and put him in lineup at flex over Gio.
In another league I have him and Howard and sitting both. No question I would play Washington over Howard this week though. I understand why the "experts" have Howard ranked higher but I'll take DET running game over CHI in this one and I like Washington's big play potential for distance bonus leagues.
Back aboard this week.
In another league I have him and Howard and sitting both. No question I would play Washington over Howard this week though. I understand why the "experts" have Howard ranked higher but I'll take DET running game over CHI in this one and I like Washington's big play potential for distance bonus leagues.
Back aboard this week.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
16 passing targets through 3 games in 2016 (5.3 avg)
first 3 games in 2015, 12 targets (4.1 avg for the season)
You're right, it's too early, but aside from last week, Gio has been very good this year. In PPR the guy is an ultimate buy low if his owner has short term memory
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yeah I think this week you have to play Gio over him, especially in PPR. Washington feels like he is below the Howard's and McKinnon's this week until the touches show up
VaTerp
Footballguy
Gio over Washington is the conventional wisdom choice and there is nothing wrong with that. He's basically had 1 great week, 1 terrible week, and 1 below avg week. But the matchup is a good one and I understand the appeal.
But I'm going Washington. Even in PPR I just like rolling the dice here.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Gio has 20 targets on the year (4, 11, 5). In a non-PPR he was a dud in weeks 1 & 3. In PPR he was < 10 points in week 3. He's a boom/bust guy.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Right, I was counting receptions. Thanks for clearing that up. You're right in non PPR he was kind of a dud. I would start Washington over him in non PPR based off goal line potential alone and why not, Gio has been such a turd so far for non-PPR. In PPR I can't bench him because he can have 10 receptions and turn out a great performance
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Maybe. If he has a solid game this week 80 yards and a TD and looks good doing so it wont matter. I know it was garbage time but Howard "looked"
good catching the ball as well.
Chaka
Footballguy
Are Richard or Oak Washington out? Because those two have 19 & 21 touches on the season compared to 3 for Taiwan (who hasn't touched the ball the last two games).
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