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Agreed. To me Washington is a high upside bench stash in deeper standard leagues that has the potential to payoff huge. That potential could be league winning.
The stat guys track and bounce numbers in strange ways too make sense of specific stats.
(I think) He is referring to a tree that is pulled from past RB performance and their associated measurables. It's meant to give a general idea of the physical/athletic profiles of hits, and not necessarily predictive. You can find it by googling "Which combine drills really matter for Running Backs?"
We'll see. I wouldn't be so quick to assume what the depth chart looks like once AA is removed from it.
From the link you provided, in the introduction:
I'm familiar with Zach and follow him already. I think it's a great disservice to the legit work he puts in to his craft. Your characterization of it is off base.
Linked in my post above... http://rotoviz.com/2016/02/which-measurables-really-matter-for-running-backs/?hvid=4cwUNh
Digging deeper - agility scores become really impressive when they're tied to 220+ lb players. It's one thing for Chris Rainey to destroy the 3-cone and the short shuttle. It's totally different when a 230lb Le'Veon Bell does it
You ain't drivin, bro...
Correct - it's meant to identify the guys that have elite athleticism for the NFL game at their respective position. Is it predictive? No, not necessarily. But, from 2000-2013, 78% of the guys that fell into the same physical profile as Washington had at least 1 Top-12 PPR RB season in their first 3 years.
Zeke didn't complete a full workout at the combine or at his pro day. He ran, completed the jumps, and did positional drills. It's not so much a red flag as it is evidence that he was the consensus top back and didn't need to give NFL teams more information to nitpick.
bad example how about the Heisman back?
The page you linked was from 2014, I think Zeke was just starting his Freshman year at OSU. I'm not here to discredit/credit myself at all, I just think it's extremely shallow and short sighted to charactarize as people who mostly bend stats to a desired result. They are not on message boards looking for cred by twisting numbers to fit some call they made. It seems that you are twisting reality with your own weird bias against stats.
Cody Kessler.
You can't dump anyone else?
I'm not going to talk you out of something I did this morning. Full point PPR league but Duke would've just sat on my bench with no upside like he's done in the past. I'm not loaded at RB either (Forte, Foster, Ware, Alfred Morris and Dion Lewis on IR). Drafting top WR's and QB was always my strategy going into the draft with the intention of finding RB studs that emerge out of nothing. Each year we see lead RB's go down and half the time a backup RB comes in and gets great points. That never happens when a top WR goes down. Therefore, I believe it's better to grab the top WR's and gamble on RB's. Seems to be working for me over the years and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Funny I've found the exact opposite: get solid RBs and go for a QB very late or QBBC and grab 1 stud WR and look for some decent ones later.
Ive already stated that I believe stats can be twisted
1. Who cares when he was drafted ... 7th Round HOF = Shannon Sharpe, 9th = Johnny Unitas, 10th = Roger Staubach, 12th = George Blanda, 17th = Bart Starr ....
Every point you "tried" to make is silly. Check last years RB rankings and where those RBs were drafted. Zenner isn't the goalline back, Washington is. Riddick is liked but he is small. Last year did you say "its Arizona" and ignore DJ?? Probably....
Ahh you uncovered the vast conspiracy perpetrated by the Zach Whittman's of the world to advance the cause of Nike Global domination. This should of been clear with the article containing no NFL comps of Derrick Henry and Zeke Elliott when they were fresh out of high school.
all points valid and i don't think that's lost on most here, but Kevin Smith and Jahvid Best were both fantasy relevant for at least a couple of years iirc. And weren't both careers cut short by injuries? wouldn't call that a trap.
1) Haven't we put that line of thinking to bed yet? There are countless examples of players outperforming players taken ahead of them in the draft, including players from deep in a draft.
All I'm saying is just because he is a 7th rounder is meaningless when he is on the field. He has an opportunity and that is all. Go ask Ryan Leaf how he feels!
I think you would be dumbfounded if I named a few of the guys who explained the trickery of fudging stats..
1. I can play this game too... so what you're telling me is that I should go out and sign Monte Ball from my free agent list because he was a high draft pick so he must be talented? What about Trent Richardson? Should I go on? Every example you can make saying "there are a handful of players drafted 7th round who made it but hundreds who haven't" I can turn around and change "7th" to "1st" and be just as accurate.
That's exactly what I'm saying.Putting fantasy faith in a Lions RB is fools gold for whatever reason, suckiness or injury. Although, it does seem like their backs get hurt more than other teams. See Reggie Bush last year.
After the first half of the first round success rate drastically diminishes. So it truly doesn't matter....unless Zeke Elliot is on your free agent list. I suggest you look into it.
Ya probably should draw attention to conditioning coachs into question
Zenner can't very well be the goalline back when he's in street clothes.
I would argue that Arizona didn't really spend 1st or 2nd round draft picks on RBs, aside from Thomas Jones and Beanie Wells. Wells was a bust, but Jones had a pretty good career. So, not a really good comparison, considering DET spent a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks on them in the last 15 years.JFS171 said:
