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***Official*** Dwayne Washington, RB, DET (2 Viewers)

DocHolliday said:
Another poster is starting Washington over Gio.  I didn't even draft Washinton.  I got him from waivers last week. If he does start producing, he will be in my lineup over Gio.  I have not seen anything to indicate he is the RB1 in Detriit over Riddick yet. 
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I knew we had a connection. Must be the "Doc" thing

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If I had Gio I'd use him over Washington too.  I assume you drafted Gio higher than Washington? (rhetorical question)

Seriously - you guys might as well post, "Washington remains on the bench for David Johnson this week". I'm pretty sure those of us starting Washington at RB or Flex don't have the luxury of a better option. 
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Well i'm in a dynasty league, and in my case Gio was drafted higher than names such as Leveon Bell, DeAndre Hopkins, and Eddie Lacy in 2012.  Should those guys always be getting benched for Gio?  In the case of David Johnson, about 20 guys got drafted ahead of him in last year's draft.  Should he be benched for them?

Where players get drafted has no relevancy to their value thereafter.

 
DocHolliday said:
Another poster is starting Washington over Gio.  I didn't even draft Washinton.  I got him from waivers last week. If he does start producing, he will be in my lineup over Gio.  I have not seen anything to indicate he is the RB1 in Detriit over Riddick yet. 
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Riddick will remain the teams receiving back + a handful of carries.  Washington should see more carries plus a few catches.

Was Riddick listed #1 over Abdullah? I don't know.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If I had Gio I'd use him over Washington too.  I assume you drafted Gio higher than Washington? (rhetorical question)

Seriously - you guys might as well post, "Washington remains on the bench for David Johnson this week". I'm pretty sure those of us starting Washington at RB or Flex don't have the luxury of a better option. 
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You must be a late arrival to this thread...

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Really? Murray has been pretty productive - I'd be surprised if Washington out-scored Murray this week. 
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Rush yards 59 - 57 - 39

1 Rec in 2 of his 3 games 

Full blown RBBC with 2 young productive guys in the mix with him

Facing a decent run D

Can't imagine too many L Murray owners think he's a set it & forget it must start

 
SameSongNDance said:
Washington over Gio isn't insane according to fantasypro's expert consensus rankings. 

Starting him over Gurley though, that's pretty insane yeah. I'd have a hard time starting him over someone who I know is getting 20+ touches.
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Agreed - I think gio / washington is pretty close, but Gurley is going to be force fed the ball regardless of results. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
Can't imagine too many L Murray owners think he's a set it & forget it must start
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He was entering Week 1 because he was my RB2 in multiple leagues. He was entering Week 2 because he did well enough Week 1 with 72 total yards 1 td. He had 14 carries and no one else had 5. He was entering Week 3 because he did well enough week 2 with 101 total yards 1 td. The 8 carries was concerning but 6 receptions helped ease the pain. Now entering Week 4...... nope. Not coming off a game where he had 38 total yards and got 10 carries while Richard/Washington got 6 each and he faces Baltimore.

Murray is still an option to start and I'm not selling him for pennies on the dollar but yep, he is no way "set it and forget it". Granted not many RBs are these days due to numerous committees brought on by injuries, disappointments or coaching decisions. Unless you drafted say Elliott and DeMarco Murray, a lot of RB decisions these days are matchup-based.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
Washington over Gio isn't insane according to fantasypro's expert consensus rankings. 
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PPR Washington is 30 in PPR, Gio is 22. I'd say that's quite significant. In standard, sure they are basically equal, but in standard I would probably go with Washington hands down and that is probably the safe bet. I didn't draft Gio for his rushing stats.

 
Dr. Brew said:
PPR Washington is 30 in PPR, Gio is 22. I'd say that's quite significant. In standard, sure they are basically equal, but in standard I would probably go with Washington hands down and that is probably the safe bet. I didn't draft Gio for his rushing stats.
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In PPR, the consensus rankings have Riddick 11th.

So if anything,  given my decision of Riddick vs Washington is in a PPR, apparently it should be a no-brainer for Riddick.

 
theothervcruz said:
In PPR, the consensus rankings have Riddick 11th.

So if anything,  given my decision of Riddick vs Washington is in a PPR, apparently it should be a no-brainer for Riddick.
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Not to muddy the waters for you but I'm not so sure. Many believe Detroit could get up by a lot and run Washington a lot.
However, if it were me I'd start Riddick pretty confidently this week as the smart choice

 
back to Darkwa vs. Washington for me.

Leaning Washington due to better matchup, even though Darkwa looks like he'll have better opportunity.

 
Dr. Brew said:
Not to muddy the waters for you but I'm not so sure. Many believe Detroit could get up by a lot and run Washington a lot.
However, if it were me I'd start Riddick pretty confidently this week as the smart choice
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Oh, I believe Washington could certainly garner fantasy numbers as Detroit kills the clock. It could be like Hyde versus Seattle except his team is up. To me Riddick is "safer" because he is certainly going to get a good number of receptions, so his floor is higher. But this is certainly not a no-brainer to me regardless of how the experts rank it.

 
I think if you are an underdog you start Washington with high hopes, but if you have a more solid selection of proven guys and are favored to win this week you are taking a needless chance on him disappearing just to trot out the new shiny toy. His floor is 4-5 points.

 
Dr. Brew said:
PPR Washington is 30 in PPR, Gio is 22. I'd say that's quite significant. In standard, sure they are basically equal, but in standard I would probably go with Washington hands down and that is probably the safe bet. I didn't draft Gio for his rushing stats.
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I don't think there are very many pts that separate rbs 22 and 30 at the end of the week

 
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theothervcruz said:
Oh, I believe Washington could certainly garner fantasy numbers as Detroit kills the clock. It could be like Hyde versus Seattle except his team is up. To me Riddick is "safer" because he is certainly going to get a good number of receptions, so his floor is higher. But this is certainly not a no-brainer to me regardless of how the experts rank it.
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Riddick is safe for sure but if you watched the last game, it's obvious Washington is the better runner.  Don't forget he played WR in college.  It's really up to the coaching staff who gets the ball more.

 
I believe I'm benching Gio due to Thurs night game and I think  it's the Hill show this week.

I'm waiting to see the most up to date news on Charles Sunday to decide between Ware and Washington. 

 
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Dr. Brew said:
PPR Washington is 30 in PPR, Gio is 22. I'd say that's quite significant. In standard, sure they are basically equal, but in standard I would probably go with Washington hands down and that is probably the safe bet. I didn't draft Gio for his rushing stats.
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When I filtered by top 10 in season RB experts I got Gio at 23 and Washington at 28. Let's be honest though, these rankings represent the average of a range of possibilities.

There's this site borischen.com where the dude compiles fantasypros ranks and puts them into tiers using a clustering algorithm. Gio and Washington are in the same tier.

EDIT: Nevermind, those were for standard. The difference is larger in PPR.

 
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This coaching staff loves Theo. He's part of the only good draft (6 starters) they've had in the last 6 years. Just gave him a huge extension that made him the 13th highest paid RB in the NFL - and that was when he was the backup.

The odds of Swaggy becoming a 3 down RB or seeing a significant uptick in targets are pretty long.

 
Cooter has a new man crush 

ALLEN PARK -- It seems like every time the Detroit Lions give rookie Dwayne Washington an opportunity, he does something with it.

Hey Dwayne, go out there and return some kicks in the preseason opener.

Washington scores on a 96-yard touchdown.

OK kid, let's give you the rock and see what you can do with it.

Washington leads the Lions in preseason rushing.

Alright rook, you've made the team. Now go out there at the goal line and pound one in for us.

Washington plows in for a 1-yard touchdown in his first career regular season game against Indianapolis.

Dwayne, you've done some nice things, but now Ameer Abdullah is out. We really need you to complement Theo Riddick. You're all we've got.

Washington gains 38 tough yards on 10 carries against Green Bay.

Those numbers aren't eye-popping, but on a day when Riddick managed only 9 yards on the same amount of carries, and Abdullah missed his first game with a foot injury, it was some much-needed and highly elusive production.

Through three games, Washington has 16 carries for 70 yards. His 4.4 yards per carry are surpassed by only Abdullah at the position, and now Abdullah reportedly could be done for the season with a torn ligament in his foot.

Detroit needs guys to step up in his place, and it seems Washington could be earning himself a larger piece of the pie.

"I think he's building confidence in our coaching staff and the other offensive players on the team with the way he's going about his business -- the way he's playing on Sunday," offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter said. "That's a good thing for a young player to do. Generally bodes well as he's going along to kind of keep doing that, keep building confidence in the coaches, the playcaller, the quarterback, your offensive teammates, all that stuff.

"I think he's doing a good job of that. He's got to keep it going."

Washington has both size, at 6-foot-2 and nearly 230 pounds, and breakaway speed. But he fell to the Lions in the seventh round -- and many others projected him to go undrafted entirely -- largely because of concerns about his ball security.

Then he missed all of OTAs because of his class schedule at Washington, and by the time he joined the club for minicamp, he was really far behind -- and, yes, struggling with putting the ball on the ground.

But Washington has progressed steadily ever since, right into the rotation, and now into the conversation for more of a featured role.

"Really, we only had three or four days with him before we took our summer break, so in essence, when he showed up for training camp this was kind of his first time getting reps, first time doing everything," Cooter said. "Even though we could sort of get him information and sort of try to teach him things, it doesn't work as well as being in the classroom, being out on the field doing the things. He was a little bit behind in that perspective. It's not his fault, it's just kind of the system that's setup.

"He's done a good job building on that since then."

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I never saw Washington being a 3 down back. Rushing downs, GL carries and maybeeeee a couple receptions here and there. If he can get you 18 carries for 80 rushing yards, 2 receptions for 12 yards and 1 td, that's great! And Detroit is high powered enough where Riddick can still get in there for 5 to 6 carries for say 15 yards 6 receptions 60 yards and have PPR value.

 
I just traded for him... Had to give up Luck but in a way that is a lot better than deciding between Luck and Tannehill every week 

 
wilked said:
I just traded for him... Had to give up Luck but in a way that is a lot better than deciding between Luck and Tannehill every week 
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Gl with tannehill.  I started him over Palmer this week.  Now I have to buy myself a new tv after throwing my shoe through the screen. 

 
theothervcruz said:
I never saw Washington being a 3 down back. Rushing downs, GL carries and maybeeeee a couple receptions here and there. If he can get you 18 carries for 80 rushing yards, 2 receptions for 12 yards and 1 td, that's great! And Detroit is high powered enough where Riddick can still get in there for 5 to 6 carries for say 15 yards 6 receptions 60 yards and have PPR value.
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It's not always about the player, if Detroit's defense can stop teams just enough to allow their offense to get out of five alarm mode all the time maybe they could establish a run game to the extent that a 15-18 carry game would be possible.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
When I filtered by top 10 in season RB experts I got Gio at 23 and Washington at 28. Let's be honest though, these rankings represent the average of a range of possibilities.

There's this site borischen.com where the dude compiles fantasypros ranks and puts them into tiers using a clustering algorithm. Gio and Washington are in the same tier.

EDIT: Nevermind, those were for standard. The difference is larger in PPR.
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Yes, and it seems as if averaged rankings yield a more conservative set of rankings ultimately.   Washington's situation this week certainly has some intrigue but it takes some desperation or nads to roll with him.   If I were to start him, he would be playing over RBs ranked higher on most sites, but I won't be surprised a bit to see him outproduce a lot of guys ranked above him.   I'm still leaning towards keeping him out of my lineup, but I do think I like him this week. 

 
So the ideal game script painted in several posts over the last couple pages would be the Lions go up big, stop running the no huddle & milk the clock via a sustained rushing attack?

I want to say the last time that happened was Joique on Thanksgiving Day 2014. Last time that happened on the road? I'd have to research it.

 
After one game, I'm down 13.10-36.30 (my Landry, his Green.) I am 0-3 in my LT redraft for the first time since 2004 and staring at my first 0-4 start since...ever? We get bonuses for plays over 40 yards & milestone yardage totals.

Starting Swaggy with confidence.

:thumbup:

 
To the people who are down on Washington due simply to his being a 7th round pick I will just give this anecdote.  I have been playing fantasy football since 1995.  My first draft was as a college sophomore.  Fantasy football didn't exist on the internet yet, barely anyone was even on the internet yet.  One of my dorm mates gathered a bunch of us though and explained to us how it worked, points were calculated each week by hand.  The very first week of waivers I picked up two largely unknown backs, one of whom was a late round pick and the other went undrafted to their respective teams, to my memory.  Their names were Curtis Martin and Terrell Davis... maybe you've heard of them?

 
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Crazysight said:
To the people who are down on Washington due simply to his being a 7th round pick I will just give this anecdote.  I have been playing fantasy football since 1995.  My first draft was as a college sophomore.  Fantasy football didn't exist on the internet yet, barely anyone was even on the internet yet.  One of my dorm mates gathered a bunch of us though and explained to us how it worked, points were calculated each week by hand.  The very first week of waivers I picked up two largely unknown backs, one of whom was a late round pick and the other went undrafted to their respective teams, to my memory.  Their names were Curtis Martin and Terrell Davis... maybe you've heard of them?
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Okay, how about we list all of the 7th round and UDFA RBs since 1995 who did (have done) absolutely nothing and see which list is longer.

 
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Crazysight said:
To the people who are down on Washington due simply to his being a 7th round pick I will just give this anecdote.  I have been playing fantasy football since 1995.  My first draft was as a college sophomore.  Fantasy football didn't exist on the internet yet, barely anyone was even on the internet yet.  One of my dorm mates gathered a bunch of us though and explained to us how it worked, points were calculated each week by hand.  The very first week of waivers I picked up two largely unknown backs, one of whom was a late round pick and the other went undrafted to their respective teams, to my memory.  Their names were Curtis Martin and Terrell Davis... maybe you've heard of them?
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OK

 
Chaka said:
Okay, how about we list all of the 7th round and UDFA RBs since 1995 who did (have done) absolutely nothing and see which list is longer.
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The point he is trying to make is that if you automatically eliminate all UDFA & late round picks from being fantasy relevant, you are not giving yourself an opportunity to hit on one of them.

 
FWIW I do like Washington. I just think people are getting a bit too excited is all.

I also drafted Terrell Davis as a rookie and people in my league were like who?? But even those guys all knew who Curtis Martin was.

 
Tommy Collins said:
The point he is trying to make is that if you automatically eliminate all UDFA & late round picks from being fantasy relevant, you are not giving yourself an opportunity to hit on one of them.
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You sure about that?  Curtis Martin was a 3rd round draft pick (TD was a 6th). 

And my point is that statistically you are far safer writing them off then hoping you get the next Terrell Davis.  There are a heck of a lot more Travis Jerveys, Dino Phiylyaws and Charles Ways than TDs or Arian Fosters.

 
theothervcruz said:
I never saw Washington being a 3 down back. Rushing downs, GL carries and maybeeeee a couple receptions here and there. If he can get you 18 carries for 80 rushing yards, 2 receptions for 12 yards and 1 td, that's great! And Detroit is high powered enough where Riddick can still get in there for 5 to 6 carries for say 15 yards 6 receptions 60 yards and have PPR value.
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Well Doug Martin is in the same position and has obviously produced.  And Sims is a better RB than Riddick (although worse receiver). 

 
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