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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (10 Viewers)
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Kraft. I actually think he's a top 6-8 talent in the league he just needs a little bit bigger target share.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
That is absolutely a smash accept
sheerterror
Footballguy
FFPC:
Gave: Rhamondre
Got: 2026 3rd and 4th
A through and through FFPC roster crunch move which I hate having to do. Had Jeanty, Breece, Bucky and Chase Brown in front of him.
Gave: Rhamondre
Got: 2026 3rd and 4th
A through and through FFPC roster crunch move which I hate having to do. Had Jeanty, Breece, Bucky and Chase Brown in front of him.
Boston
Footballguy
The only thing that makes this awful trade more confusing is the other Owner doesn't even own Hall...I think it would make for some nice summer reading if the Owner gave us his thoughts on why he would pursue this.
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
14 Team SF TEP
Waddle
26 2nd
$200 Blind Bidding
For
1.09 (used to draft Travis Hunter)
Waddle
26 2nd
$200 Blind Bidding
For
1.09 (used to draft Travis Hunter)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I feel like it's pre-2024 draft.
Dez
Footballguy
Sometimes the best trades are the ones rejected. I offered the 1.02, 3.12 and my future 1st in 2024 for Bijan. He rejected it
I took Gibbs at 1.02. Gibbs has scored more PPG the last 2 years straight up.
I took Gibbs at 1.02. Gibbs has scored more PPG the last 2 years straight up.
- Gryphons offers Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.02; Year 2023 Draft Pick 3.12; Year 2024 Round 1 Draft Pick from Gryphons
- Myersville Black Bears for Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.01
Dez
Footballguy
The real question is Hampton vs Hunter being IDP you would have to play Hunter at WR but you would get both WR and DB pts
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Not nearly enough for 1.02.
I'd at least want a player back. I've always found it odd for people to value quantity over quality. It is likely/probable none of those picks are any good. Much more likely the 1.02 is and you just have to trust your eyes.
Getting a player, in addition to the picks, helps mitigate that risk.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Becoming a decent dynasty player requires not treating 1st round draft picks, especially high ones, as if they are a 2nd thought in trades.
Dez
Footballguy
I traded the 4.05 and a future 3rd last year to get McCaffrey the WR and the guy took Bucky at 4.05
Those late round picks can be huge if you draft the right player. That could been me getting Bucky if my teammate didn't have to have Luke McCaffrey so bad.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Waddle side for me
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
12 team SF
Gave: Flacco and a 2026 2nd
Got: Fields
The 2nd should be late but I think it’s good value either way.
Gave: Flacco and a 2026 2nd
Got: Fields
The 2nd should be late but I think it’s good value either way.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I’ll take the field.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Pretty fair imo. I would take the Fields side if competing and the 2nd if I was mid of the road or worse.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Fields but I'm nervous about how long he will start. If he struggles this year does anyone else give him a chance? But they shouldn't bench him for Tyrod this year and his leash should be long.
Boston
Footballguy
I am not a fan of Fields but this is an easy one in a 12-team SF...I don't think a team will ever commit to him as a long-term starter but when he plays he does do well as far as fantasy is concerned...that being said he is in a great situation to prove a doubter like me wrong and if you look at the NYJ depth chart he should be pretty safe as far as 2025 is concerned...not sure why the other guy is making this move in July...he is cashing out way too early for that return...even if Flacco ends up the starter it won't be for long and a 2026 second isn't much incentive when you are giving up a young QB with a legit chance to be a starter in this format...I have zero issues with moving on from Fields but not for this return at this time of the year...it's just bad asset management.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
I’m with you on this. I’m not convinced he will keep the job long term but he’s young, talented, and has a great opportunity to do so. At this price, if he’s just a fringe QB1 for 2025 I did ok since I don’t think Flacco will be more than a bye week filler, if he even holds the job that long.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Hold hold hold
You might possibly have 4 of the top 5 dynasty players in JJ Chase Bijan and Lamb. Six of the top ten if you believe Henry has two years in him and you're a big Daniels believer.
How? How does a team get this stacked?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Assuming Dynasty. Good drafting and trading over time? Not all studs were perceived studs at draft time. I remember when Jefferson wasn't a top 5 perceived pick. I remember when people were down on Worthy and Kittle when they were rookies. Was Daniels a top pick his rookie year?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I got Daniels in the late first multiple times in 1 QB leagues
wgoldsph
Footballguy
This team would have had JJ and Chase and still managed to get 1.1 for Bijan. I don't know what package would have made me move that pick, but you best believe I'm getting one of those guys in return for the most can't miss prospect at rb since the dawn of man. Or, if either JJ or Chase came after, Bijan would need to be in the trade (unless he had Gibbs or Barkley or something).
My point is the only way a team gets this stacked is by already being stacked to begin with. Or everyone has traded pennies for dollars.
Birdie048
Footballguy
This!
It only takes 1 bad trade partner in the league who frequently has a Top 3 pick traded for a bunch of coins.
And making the moves “PRIOR” is a key asset management skill in Dynasty
JohnnyU
Footballguy
My point is that isn't the only way this happens. Sometimes studs aren't perceived studs out of the gate.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Gotta love a bottom three team that thinks they're three backend starters away from competition.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Why are you assuming that pick was already known to be 1.01 when he traded for it? He could have traded for it two years before that draft for all we know.
I am with @JohnnyU on this. I play a lot of dynasty and I have seen PLENTY of absurdly stacked teams in extremely competitive leagues. It is very possible to do in dynasty.
I was actually arguing a point around this in the recent trade strategy thread that went up here on FBG. I think the trap most good teams fall into is that they make trades like the one being discussed here, Hockenson for Kittle, to put them "over the top".
I think that is a bad strategy. How often does that actually work out where it actuallyy makes the difference in winning a championship? IE where Kittle scores exactly the number of points over Hockenson in exactly the right week in the playoffs where you would have lost with Hockenson in your lineup, but ended up winning because you had Kittle instead?
It's such a small target. it almost never actually plays out that way, and probably happens in reverse almost as often (IE you lose a playoff game because Kittle got outscored by Hock that week).
I think the key to building those super teams, and I have several of them in $500+ entry fee FFPC leagues, is to use those edge pieces on good teams not to buy established veterans at full price to put you over the top, but rather to continue buying future potential like future draft picks, pre-breakout players, etc, and getting lucky enough to hit on a few of those.
QB: Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Brock Purdy
RB: Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Treyveon Henderson, Ashton Jeanty
WR: Jamaar Chase, Ceedee Lamb, Amon-Ra St Brown, Brian Thomas
TE: Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely
That is a SF team I have in one of those FFPC leagues. I also had a bevy of 2nd round pickes, and previously a bunch of solid players that are solid starters, but not going to hit my lineup. Guys like Kincaid, Tyrone Tracy, Jordan Mason, DK Metcalf, etc.
Looking at my roster, the obvious thing to do with those extra pieces would be to buy immediate production at TE. Instead I used those pieces to buy a bunch of future 1st round picks from teams that I thought overperformed and were likely to drop off. Several of those trades I've posted in this thread and the consensus was that I got the short end of those deals. (I also traded Breece Hall for 1.05->Henderson straight up, which I know I would've gotten killed for in here), I think the consensus would have been even harsher on me had they seen the team (why not use that capital to upgrade TE instead?). But in a few years when some of those picks maybe turn into the next Bijan Robinson or Jamaar Chase people will probably be making the assumption that I only got those guys on an already loaded team because it's a guppy league, even though a few years prior they were in support of the side of the deal giving away those very same picks that became Future Bijan and Future Chase.
I think that is the most misplayed part of dynasty. I am not particularly good at drafting or building a team. But once my team gets good or somewhat stacked (usually with some luck), I am usually able to keep it there for a decade, whereas for most other teams I see it seems like the stacked teams of year X are mediocre or bad teams by year X+3 or X+2. Fantasy football changes so fast and good teams only stay good when they are constantly reloading any advantages they have into future potential to re-load on true studs, not add edge pieces for a short run that will only be helpful for a short period over which time those previous "studs" will become mid.
4 years ago a team with CMC, Zeke, Mixon, AJB, Tyreek, and Adams would been considered hilarious stacked. Today it is trash. That team I posted above with Chase/Lamb/StBrown/BTJ will be trash 3 years from now. I need to be re-loading on those future studs now for that team to stay relevant beyond the current window, and some of those future studs hit real fast before those guys slow down and make it look even more stupid stacked (like if Jeanty blows up this year for the team above and becomes the #1 overall dynasty player).
EDIT: I just went back and looked. Here is the core roster of that same team above back in 2020, coming off of a championship.
QB: Russ, Murray
RB: Saquon, Chubb, Zeke, Gurley, James Robinson
WR: Adams, Lamb, Jeudy, McLaurin
TE: Engram
At the time, that was considered a very good team. Imagine if I'd take that same team and used my capital and edge pieces to acquire guys like Darren Waller, Robert Woods, DeAndre Hopkins, or Chris Carson to "put me over the edge" instead of loading up on picks and young talent that eventually became guys like Chase, Burrow, JT, Jeanty.
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
This is definitely something I'm going to have to reread later when I have a minute the really digest because you made a lot of really good and insightful points. Seriously, legitimately going to reread and learn.
My off the cuff comment is that this kind of roster construction only works if your league has some active trading. Especially trading two years out. My leagues have a rule where in order to trade a pick the entire season fee must be paid for that season, and frankly there's been a handful of years where my "fantasy sports budget" prevented me from paying for next season.
What would you suggest for that type of league?
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
It's a crazy roster but it happens.
Traded pre-injury CMC for a haul. The CMC recipient perceived himself as a CMC away. Sent Zay Jones and 2.01 for the 1.04... MHJ, Bowers, Odunze went ahead of Nabers (league didn't like the QB situation) and I owned 1.10 - I got BTJ.
Guy that had CMC finally offloaded him prior to last year. He owned the 1.01. Got 1.03 (Bowers) and DJ Moore for him... pretty good haul and now CMC is worth a late 1st, maybe? Wild.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
The answer is it was a very unbalanced league when I joined in 2017. There were several superteams and mine was very average. I tried for the first year and the gap only got wider. So I totally rebuilt during 18 and 19 leading into the 2020 draft. Kept building for the next year after that, too. Tons of trades to go with the studs I drafted. Kept consolidating. Viola.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I appreciate this reply, lots of good thoughts in here. And I agree with your analysis about aiming at small targets, I just disagree with that being the reality I’m in.
Last year, despite the exact same roster, I didn’t get a bye and got bounced in week 15 with some bad luck. Anytime a season comes down to one week though, anything can happen, so my first order of business is to try to capture the bye week. I have a large gap between Kittle and Hock in redraft, actually would have Kittle giving Bowers all he can handle for TE1, but both as clearing over 250 point scoring options. Maybe 300. Hock I have slotted in more around 200 and when you consider I’m also starting Jefferson and occasionally Jones, the delta kinda compounds in my eyes. Wouldn’t say that with like, Goff, Gibbs, or either ARSB or Jamo for example, or an Eagles stack, but on the Vikings specifically for this coming year, I do. And I say that as a big McCarthy backer.
So that’s the first hurdle. I still haven’t won jack with this squad and believe Kittle helps clinch a bye. Remember there are two other borderline superteams and a couple more that could contend for a bye too.
Then, it’s a two week total for the chip, which isn’t as narrow and I’ll bet on Kittle for that everyday. And again, compounding ceiling IMO due to what I expect from the Vikes this year. Could be wrong, but I see it firmly that way.
So I agree your point about not making put you over the top moves for really narrow windows, especially this early, but see this situation differently and added context of the league makes me more inclined. One of the other good teams, not even one I’d call a borderline superteams but defending champ and very good roster, has Bowers and McBride and almost never trades. So there’s some extra delta to be gained on the whole rest of the league IMO.
With all that in mind, would you feel differently? Genuinely curious as I agree with the vast majority of your posts quite a bit.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Easily rice/hall side in non SF
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’d lean towards agreeing but depends on the team’s depth imo.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
There was a time when Henry was available shockingly cheap. I got him for Alex Collins and change in one league during the short window where their values converged and it both made me a contender for most of a decade and informed my dynasty strategy cornerstone of “trade guys you got for free for blue chippers with depressed value anytime you can”
joey
Footballguy
Not close to enough for Allen imho but I don’t play in 16 team leagues so maybe my value is off.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Najee and Meyers don't help someone build so not sure their motivation there. If Mahomes reverts back to 2020-2022 self then it's fine but that's a big risk.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Allen side
Marauder
Footballguy
The building team traded for Mahomes, Najee, and Meyers? Very odd trade.
I'll take Allen easily.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
In a devy league 12 team ppr - I traded Jake Ferguson and a 2027 3rd round pick (reminder devy and rookie draft is combined, so it increases value for later round picks) for Isaiah Likely.
My thoughts were I have Tucker Kraft, Luke Musgrave, Brenton Strange, and Terrance Ferguson. So why not gamble on the time Likely will have the position all to himself in the future.
My thoughts were I have Tucker Kraft, Luke Musgrave, Brenton Strange, and Terrance Ferguson. So why not gamble on the time Likely will have the position all to himself in the future.
