** Official ** Eagles 2008 Thread (1 Viewer)

[JaxBill]

I agree that Brown's hit would be outrageous.

FWIW, according to this unofficial chart that is usally pretty close, the Eagles are now 27 Mil under the cap.

http://www.eaglescap.com/Charts/2008Chart.html

(A large part of that is 14 MIL in LTBE incentives)

 

[Game Time]

Looks good to me!!!

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1236/fitzeaglesav8.png

I can't even imagine how giddy I'd be if we landed Fitz!

 

[scratcher]

Kearse is a Titan again if anyone didn't know or cares...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3280255

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Looks good to me!!!

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1236/fitzeaglesav8.png

I can't even imagine how giddy I'd be if we landed Fitz!

I'll take two jerseys ASAP - one for me, one for my son..... who by the way already knew Fitz, his position, team and jersey number (He's 8).

 

[scratcher]

Eskin is spreading some trash about trading Lito to Jax for Reggie Williams or Matt Jones. I'm hoping this is not true. Anyone heard anything else about this?

 

[zadok]

Eskin is spreading some trash about trading Lito to Jax for Reggie Williams or Matt Jones. I'm hoping this is not true. Anyone heard anything else about this?

Please God no. Thankfully, this is the first I've heard of that disaster.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Eskin is spreading some trash about trading Lito to Jax for Reggie Williams or Matt Jones. I'm hoping this is not true. Anyone heard anything else about this?

Please God no. Thankfully, this is the first I've heard of that disaster.

Same. Haven't heard this before and I'd bet my right arm it's not true.

 

[JaxBill]

Eskin is spreading some trash about trading Lito to Jax for Reggie Williams or Matt Jones. I'm hoping this is not true. Anyone heard anything else about this?

Aside from the fact that the Jags would have to send pick(s) back to even it out, that doesn't make sense from the Jags POV. Lito wants more money and while Lito is a Gator and the Jags have cap room, Del Rio like the bigger corners. They already have Rashean Mathis, Brian Williams and Drayton Florence at corner. They have Reggie Nelson and Sensabaugh at safety. There are rumors that Williams might switch to safety and Nelson might switch to corner. If the Jags were looking at secondary, I think they'd be looking for a safety.That would be a horrible trade for both sides.

 

[JetMaxx]

I don't have a link but I clearly remember the Eagles being interested in drafting Jones. Missed out on him when the Jags picked him if I remember correctly and seems to be a good thing now. Hopefully this rumor is just that.

 

[Game Time]

Rams are very interested in Lito last I heard... Hate to say it, but Fitz ain't coming here! :bawling

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Rams are very interested in Lito last I heard... Hate to say it, but Fitz ain't coming here! :bawling

Well Holt for Lito does not excite me, Holt & the Rams #2 does, but I doubt they would want to give a pick that high up.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

John Clayton said this morning that Arizona is definitely not trading Fitz....

...so you know what that means.....

Welcome to Philly, Larry!!!

 

[Deranged Hermit]

For what it's worth, the JAX news is news to me.

It's been VERY quiet lately.....

 

[Jason Wood]

John Clayton said this morning that Arizona is definitely not trading Fitz.......so you know what that means.....Welcome to Philly, Larry!!!

Apparently the Cards DO have the cap room to keep him in 2008, but would have to get him to redo his deal and/or make painful cuts elsewhere to fit him into the 2009 projected cap. Seems to me that all this chatter about ARZ not having any leverage may be wishful thinking.

 

[Kruppe]

PFT is reporting that Fitz has extended for $40m for 4 years.

 

[Jason Wood]

Yep...it's on Fitz's site. 4 years, $40mm and Fitz gets a no trade clause.

 

[zadok]

Assuming this "personal web site" is correct...

 

[Bob Wiley]

So, now that that's settled, do we go after Roy Williams or Chad Johnson. No one on Jax excites me in the least, so I hope that rumor never comes to being reality.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

So, now that that's settled, do we go after Roy Williams or Chad Johnson. No one on Jax excites me in the least, so I hope that rumor never comes to being reality.

Not sure. I like Roy, but his injuries worry me. Like CJ but not sure he would do well off the field here. Not sure his ego would mesh.Don't like the rumors about Holt at all. I love Holt, but I want nothing to do with him in Philly. Between the three, I'd most like to see CJ here (by far). Any other WR rumors out there?

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

 

[Kruppe]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him? Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

I think the Eagles felt they were replacing Stallworth with Curtis and getting a similar player with better durability. I think the big knock on Stallworth will always be his health issues.

 

[JaxBill]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him? Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

I think the Eagles felt they were replacing Stallworth with Curtis and getting a similar player with better durability. I think the big knock on Stallworth will always be his health issues.

Plus I don't think they wanted to pay big money for a guy who is supposedly in the league drug program.

 

[Jason Wood]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him? Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him? Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

 

[mike303]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him? Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

 

[Vedder]

Stallworth doesn't cost alot? $10 million guaranteed seems like alot for a guy who had 46 catches and 3 TDs last season.

 

[Kruppe]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

Eagles fans are different from Pats fans in many ways.He played one year in Philly, but the fact that he has a perrenial hamstring injury remains.

He doesn't have offfield issues? I'll buy that. He's getting paid from good franchises so I can see that might be bad information.

He doesn't cost a lot? I wonder where he ranks in overall WR salaries...

It is very debatable as to how much better he is than Brown and Curtis. I think they are close and many experts would have different opinions.

 

[renesauz]

Brown, Curtis, and Stallworth are all very different players with different skill sets. I see them as fairly even commodities. The Eagles felt Stallworth's salary expectations were too high, and based on his production in NE, it appears that the Eagles brass was probably right. Curtis isn't quite as flashy as Stallworth, but is a little bit more dependable.

In the end, they are all quality WR2's......(most Eagles fans beleive) we need a WR1!

 

[Novice2]

Eagle Fans

We are fine at WR

AR

 

[dirtywaters20]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

He's supposedly in the substance abuse program. That, coupled with the seemingly chronic hamstring issue is why they were hesitant to give him a lot of guaranteed money. You can take shots at Eagles' fans all you want but the fact remains he is now with his 4th team in as many years. There has got to be a good reason for that.

 

[Bob Wiley]

Let the Anquan Boldin to Philly rumors begin!!! And hopefully, they come true.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

DJ Hackett better catch the next train up from DC to Philly.

I don't want to see him against Philly twice a season.

 

[zadok]

Dan Klecko to be signed as a FB?

 

[zadok]

DJ Hackett better catch the next train up from DC to Philly. I don't want to see him against Philly twice a season.

At least sign out of the division...

 

[Jason Wood]

Dan Klecko to be signed as a FB?

Allegedly...

 

[renesauz]

Are any other "Official 2008 team thread"s even close to 14 pages?

 

[Birdie048]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

While I don't believe Stallworth was worth the $ he received, and he certainly did not live up to the expectations in NO or Phily, he was not expected to be WR#1 in NE. He has great speed and good routes, but his hands and body control cause him to miss too many passes IMO. There appears to be a shortage of quality WR this free agent season. Clev paid what they felt was necessary to get him. Maybe he brought some NEP videos with him!!

 

[renesauz]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

While I don't believe Stallworth was worth the $ he received, and he certainly did not live up to the expectations in NO or Phily, he was not expected to be WR#1 in NE. He has great speed and good routes, but his hands and body control cause him to miss too many passes IMO. There appears to be a shortage of quality WR this free agent season. Clev paid what they felt was necessary to get him. Maybe he brought some NEP videos with him!!

I would disagree. Philly didn't bring him in to be a #1, and we got basicly what we expected (other then a few games missed to injury). The point is that Stallworth is exactly that...a COMPLIMENTARY piece, NOT A WR1!!!! Philly wasn't dissapointed in him, but they weren't about to give him an undeserved promotion into WR1 pay territory either.

 

[GoBirds]

So we are 2 weeks into FA and no Receiver? So frustrating to be a fan.

 

[awesomeness]

So we are 2 weeks into FA and no Receiver? So frustrating to be a fan.

doesn't matter if we get a WR1 tomorrow or a day before spring training.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Are any other "Official 2008 team thread"s even close to 14 pages?

Washington's pretty big. Dunno why.

 

[suchislife]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

He's supposedly in the substance abuse program. That, coupled with the seemingly chronic hamstring issue is why they were hesitant to give him a lot of guaranteed money. You can take shots at Eagles' fans all you want but the fact remains he is now with his 4th team in as many years. There has got to be a good reason for that.

Good players don't go to 4 teams in 4 years. Not sure why, but there's a reason. I notice he's not a Patriot this year.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

Eagles fans are different from Pats fans in many ways.He played one year in Philly, but the fact that he has a perrenial hamstring injury remains.

He doesn't have offfield issues? I'll buy that. He's getting paid from good franchises so I can see that might be bad information.

He doesn't cost a lot? I wonder where he ranks in overall WR salaries...

It is very debatable as to how much better he is than Brown and Curtis. I think they are close and many experts would have different opinions.

1. I have not seen hide nor hair of this hamstring injury since October of 2006. 2. Offield issues - By all accounts, he is in the substance abuse program because he got caught smoking pot. In this day and age, that does not amount to off field issues. He has been nothing but a great teammate in Philly and NE.

3. Cost? If you are going to pay 8-10 million for a number 1, I figure about 4 million a year isnt bad for a good #2.

4. I live in Philly and watched every Eagles game in 2006. He was much better than Reggie Brown. Curtis had a good year this past year but Stallworth is just more explosive and he proved to be a pretty good blocker for the Pats.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Brown, Curtis, and Stallworth are all very different players with different skill sets. I see them as fairly even commodities. The Eagles felt Stallworth's salary expectations were too high, and based on his production in NE, it appears that the Eagles brass was probably right. Curtis isn't quite as flashy as Stallworth, but is a little bit more dependable.

In the end, they are all quality WR2's......(most Eagles fans beleive) we need a WR1!

Talk about having your head in the sand. Stallworth got 3 million last year. The fact that he couldnt beat out Randy Moss as the Pats deep threat (therefore minimized production), leads you to believe that the Eagles were right? You are the perfect fan for the Eagles organization. You are drinking the kool-aid of whatever they say.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Question...why didn't the Iggles just keep Stallworth when they had him?

Follow up question...Do you guys think he's better than anything you have now?

They did make him an offer, he took a better one from New England. Stallworth was given a contract proposal, his agent said they could get more and the Eagles told him to feel free and take a look at the open market; and the deal would be waiting for him if they didn't see anything better. Stallworth wasn't then, nor is he now the kind of player you break out of your valuation model to retain.

Considering the contract he signed in NE, they should have kept him. Stallworth and Brown on the outside with Curtis in the slot would have been a dynamic group. Stallworth had great chemistry with McNabb (not as great with noodle armed Garcia). Stallworth had a hamstring issue for 4 games early in the season but played from Week 7 on including 2 playoff games and played well catching a TD in each of the playoff games.

Stallworth is over-rated. I'm an Eagles homer and was glad to see him go. He's talented but always hurt. Sprinkle in off-field issues and he's just not worth the big contract. Think about this... Brady threw 50 TDs and he only caught three! Journeyman Jabar Gaffney outplayed him down the stretch.

You Eagles fans are unbelievable. He played one year in Philly. He missed 4 games early in the season and then played from game 7 on and was your best receiver in the playoffs. What off field issues has Stallworth had? He doesnt cost a lot and he's better than any other WR currently on your roster.

He's supposedly in the substance abuse program. That, coupled with the seemingly chronic hamstring issue is why they were hesitant to give him a lot of guaranteed money. You can take shots at Eagles' fans all you want but the fact remains he is now with his 4th team in as many years. There has got to be a good reason for that.

Good players don't go to 4 teams in 4 years. Not sure why, but there's a reason. I notice he's not a Patriot this year.

He is not a Patriot right now because he signed a one year deal and the Patriots have way too many holes to fill on Defense to afford Stallworth even for a reasonable price. The Patriots front office liked Stallworth a lot and felt he did a nice job for them. He was also a very well liked teammate and didnt ##### at all about getting reduced targets in the Pats offense. Randy Moss was a known star, the emergence of Wes Welker has allowed them to decide to let Stallworth go and sign Gaffney at a cheaper contract.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think it's telling that two of the more respected franchises in the league parted ways with Stallworth in consecutive seasons. Not saying he wasn't worth the money Cleveland gave him [i think he'll help them a lot if he stays on the right track], but it's way too easy for Joe Eagles fan to look back and say, "the Eagles should've kept him." It's the same discipline that went into giving him a firm offer and not raising it that led the team to five division titles in seven years.

And its that same take it or leave it attitude in the Philly front office that leaves them with ZERO Super Bowl titles.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Wow. Have a vendetta against Eagles fans much?

Seem kind of obsessed that Eagles fans suck and Donte Stallworth is a god.